cant argue with this
no one cares about "legitimate" moralfag cringe. war is decided by force, not moralfag complaining. that's why Hamas lost
>>544569840right so you cant argue with it
>>544569916this is how it is argued
OP's image is flat-out lyingEven war witch Von der Leyen privately admitted it was LEGAL for Russia to invade Ukraine per the Kosovo precedentThere's hiding the fact but no denial that Kiev killed thousands of Russians in Donbass 2014-22, oppressing its Russian minorityUnder the UN Charter, it's legal for oppressed minorities to declare independence, and to seek outside help against their former rulers2010 Hague Kosovo case precedent -Kosovo = DonbassSerbia = UkraineNATO = Russiaif NATO could attack Serbia to protect Kosovothen Russia can attack Ukraine to protect Donbasssame sameUSA, NATO etc have invaded many countries to protect 'minorities' ... so why can't Russia invade to protect its minority in Ukie land?Not to deny that Putin is a traitor not trying to win, prolonging the war to help kill white man Slavs alongside Zelensky, but that's a separate story
>>544569753>1Lol no>2Yeah, so?>3Yeah, they do>4Open a history book>5Lol no, yeah so
>>544569753Point 3: I do not care. Now piss off back to your containment thread.
>>544569753Do words stop bombs?
>>544569753No one cares, Mutt. You don't make the rules. Don't you have another school full of kids to blow up?
>>544570748>>544570753>>544570874>>544570694>>544570612hmmm you lost to pure logic and now you cry
>>544569840Ok so just let it be known that in order to justify russia's war you have to disregard the concept of justifying wars lol
>>544570954lol no
>cant argue with this
>>544569753Nation and Country are not synonyms. You must first understand that before you can understand the situation and "who attacked first".
>>544569753The Ukraine is not a legit country. Russia is claiming rightful Russian clay.
>>544569753>I put my country in upper case and (You)r country is lower case because I do not respect (You)r country
>>544571035>>544571074>>544571133>>544571091no arguments, only seethe
>>544569753Yes you can, Ukraine was about to join Nato which was specifically going to include US nuclear missile silos in dontesk within a short range of Moscow. Russia has always said that this would violate MAD and therefore is their line in the sand. They cannot allow it to happen any more than the US was going to let Nuclear silos persist in Cuba. This is Russia’s Cuban Missile Crisis. It has meant war and they have showed absolutely no signs of backing down on it.
>>544569753Can't argue with this.1. Jews rape children2. Jews murder children3. Most child molesters live in israel.4. A pogrom is desperately needed to control the jewish problem
>>544571199Truth. Cope n rope.
yeah that's reasonable. I just don't think that my government should send my tax dollars to Ukraine
>>544571133Russia legitimately gave that clay away in the first place. Does Russia have justification to invade Alaska just because it was part of their borders at one time?
>>544571245Cool so Finland and the Baltics are different?
>>544569753Fucking this. I hope to see Putin die in my lifetime and Russia fall apart.Stupid imperialistic mongol rape babies they are.
No shame in Russia pulling out, America never won a war either
The longer the US can force this war to continue the more dead ziggers there will be. US has no reason to want the war to end.
>>544569753
Ukraine and Israel aren't entitled to my tax debt money because they refuse to get along with their neighbors.
>>544571434The funny thing is NATO is literally a paper tiger. It's a bunch of scary documents with nothing binding.
>>544571320>>544571525We can vote on that I dont want to give me tax dollars to retarded farmers either but here we are.
>>544571579We actually can't vote on that. We can only vote on representatives that only represent foreign interests.
>>544571579>I dont want to give me tax dollars to retarded farmersThat's different because they're OUR retarded farmers. Our representatives shouldn't be giving our tax debt money to foreigners that despise us.
>>544569753inb4 eurotards start flailing and blaming america for russia invading ukraine.
>>544571525How about Africa, they've taken as much aid in the same time.Don't hear yanks complain as much about that
>>544569753Fascinating. Very nice. Hey, quick question? Prior to 23rd February 2022, what did the media say was the most corrupt country in Europe that also has a massive neo-nazi problem?
>>544571651>that only represent foreign interests.Yet you only want policies that favor Russian foreign interests. Curious.
>>544571851>Fascinating. Very niceYes, anything past that does not invalidate the argument. So not worth reading.
>>544570612Here comes the jeet shill defending russia on the internet. Shouldn't you be sleeping, it's like 3am in bengaluru?
>>544571565Putin claims he's been fighting NATO the whole time, he's just dragging this out for fun I suppose?
>>544571786>they've taken as much aid in the same time.We complain about nigger handouts too. Maybe not the Yanks up north, but we sure do complain. I don't think any African countries receive billions like Israel or Ukraine does. Only millions.
>>544569840YepNobody cares who started what war years after the fact it's just a war at that point. Nobody in the 100 years war said after year 98 of fighting hey u guiz started it.
>>544569753>We dindu nuffinYou overthrew Ukraine's democratically elected leader.
>>544571858>you disagree with me, therefore you must be the oppositeI don't support Russia either. I don't support trannies because I don't support Trump.>>544571941I'm referring to the treaty. He's fighting the NATO member's logistical supply chain.
>>544572118members'*Also without being able to strike any of it that is outside Ukraine
>>544569753Even if this is the case, the war is totally pointless and futile. If MAD didn't exist and NATO was allowed to push Russia out in weeks (which they physically could do), then maybe it would've made sense for Ukraine to fight back, but it's obvious they're never gonna win. All Zelensky is doing is just letting more and more men get killed before Russia inevitably takes it.
>>5445697531) Ukraine's committing suicide. You simply don't have the privilege of becoming a hostile military bulwark either way as a neutral buffer state between great powers without serious repercussions.2) Russia invaded Ukraine because it had exhausted all other options. In fact, it had shown amazing restraint and appropriately advising the west about how to avoid this situation. Russia tried to express their sincerity with Georgia in 2008, which staved of NATO expansion for a while. It absolutely enfuriates me to say this, but the only reasonable actor in this shit show is Russia. And the only actor without alternative option was Russia.3) All of Ukraine is legitimate targets as it's a de facto NATO member who has militarized all sectors of society (against their will, no less). Ukraine WILL become a landlocked country, practically a no-mans land west of the Dniepr (picrel), never again posing a threat to Russia. The capital will be relocated from Kyiv to Lvov(to be named Lvyiv).4) Due to three decades of the US fighting goat herders in the middle east, basically clubbing toddlers (and in some cases, losing), people seem to have forgotten what real warfare is. Ukraine's literally the personification/nationalization of 'The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you'.5) A childish view, but hay, at least you were able to count to five.
Ukro national guard shot at people in the donbass wanting to vote to secede after a coup in the capital. A coup that ousted a leader they favoured. Anyone who talks about russian involvement in secession/referendums, russian support for seperatists or anything else. Is a disingenuous zogbot shill. The US has been playing around in Ukraine for decades, so I am not suprised Russia is aiding separatist movements in response.
>>544571434top fucking kekthx burger, made my minute
>>544571191not as petty as writing the ukraine tho
>>544569753Russia wonTrump won
>>544572342>>544572348kek same lies at the same time, you lied in 3-4 words, everything past that is invalidated, no arguments. try again
>>544571786Stopping people from starving isn't the same as allowing Ukraine to continue a war that serves as nothing more than a meat grinder with no real hope of victory.
>>544572242>Also without being able to strike any of it that is outside UkraineWhy? It's just a paper tiger. Just strike it
>>544570112did you seriously just post a video game or ai video lmao heres how it's done total zigger death
>>544572342>picrelwrong pic, here it is, the best case scenario for Ukraine
>>544569753>> Ukraine is defending itselftypically kike behavior. attack attack attack and then when someone responds OHHHH IM DEFENDING MYSELFnigger please. Russia was patient with you nasty fuckin jews for a long timenow you pay
>>544572480>allowing Ukraine to continue a warBut anon, Ukraine is fighting for its existence. It's like coming upon a man being stabbed on the ground and trying to convince him to allow himself to be stabbed to death. It's nonsensical
>>544572563shit for brains
>>544570112BINGBING WAHOO HOBBYIST DRONES CAME OUT OF HACKING NINTENDO WII HARDWARE THEN THE SLAVS SHITTED IT ALL UP
>>544572447If you have to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader to achieve your goals, you're the bad guy bud.
>>544572646timestamp passport vlad
>>544572563I guess they should've thought about their existence before they overthrew their own democratically elected leader at the behest and encouragement of foreign governments.
all these posts and not one good argument yet, you didnt even try
>>544572750>I'm right you're wrong teehee xDBit of a non-argument that really
>>544572481Because it would trigger a war with that country. It's not guaranteed that all of NATO, in fact I'm positive an attack on one is not an attack on all, in reality. But an unintended war could be devasting especially if you only intend to attack part of a military supply chain.Although, I'm sure I'm wasting my time with your whataboutism that isn't rooted in genuine discussion.
>>544572723If it was their leader, though, that sounds like an internal matter, right? Unless of course... it was actually RUSSIA'S leader... in which case it makes more sense both why Ukraine overthrew him and why Russia is invading lol
>>544572694the sad part is Ukrainians actually believe they're fighting for themselves. but they are being sent to die so jews can take further control of Ukraine.americans believed the bullshit lies of 9/11 too. now they realize it was all fake. eventually Ukrainians (the sons of the dead kidnapped men) will realize that jews stole their fathers and murdered them
>>544569753>russia invadedafter US/UK/Ukr violated all conditions for Budapest memorandum rendering it unreasonable to be sustained.Regardless, war is continuation of politics (something that the brain of Americans and commies -same kind of anti-White POSs- can never seem to understand): the geopolitical provocations led to war naturally continuing the political shitshow created by globohomo in Ukraine (not by Russia in Canada or Bahamas)
>>544572804Hmmm maybe that's why it triggered a civil war hmmm hmmmmmmmm
>>544572797Huh. It sounds a lot like NATO might not actually be a paper tiger, right? Otherwise Russia would just strike them...
>>544572777you didnt make any argument to being with
>>544572969You can't "defensively" overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader bud
>>544572876Huh. Yeah. Wouldn't it be crazy if some Russian special forces dude (maybe we could call him Strelkov or something wild like that) went into eastern Ukraine to foment a rebellion which Russia could then use as a manufactured pretext in order to annex Crimea and then invade the rest of Ukraine? That would be NUTS haha...
>>544573036lol uhhhh that's America's motus operandi nigga
>>544573164Yeah yeah tell me all about how Russia was involved in one side of the civil war, but THE WEST DEFINITELY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER ON THE OTHER SIDE.You don't even believe it yourself so how are you supposed to convince anyone else?
>>544573036>You can't "defensively" overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader budNo arguments again, just a lie. Try again.
>>544573327No counter arguments, just denial. Try again.
>>544572884You're acting like an idiot to try to win an argument. I'm saying striking France because it's helping your enemy might start a war with France. Not NATO.
>>544569753I dont give a fuck which side has better optics, Russia isn't leeching off my tax money.The sooner Ukraine surrenders and fucks off the better.
>>544573368There's no point in humoring your lies. They are lies, so we will just end up at point 1 again. If you dont have an argument not based on lies then dont even post.
>>544573559You're lying when you say I'm lying.
>>544572831you can always tell a post is truth when white people ignore it lol
>>544572831>they are being sent to die so jews can take further control of UkraineYup. Throw the goyim a wolfsangel and sonnerrad and watch them commit suicide enmasse for Jews
>>544573603Lets see your little brain explode with this: The democratically elected parliament democratically elected to have the democratically elected president show up before the democratically elected parliament, the democratically elected president refused to follow the democratically elected law and abandoned his democratically elected post, so the democratically elected parliament democratically elected a democratically elected representative until they held new democratically elected elections to democratically replace the old president who refused follow the democratically elected law and fled instead of following democratically elected law. That's like 20 democratically elected arguments to your 1. You democratically elected lost.
>>544572563> It's like coming upon a man being stabbed on the ground and trying to convince him to allow himself to be stabbed to death. It's more like someone who keeps standing back up over and over again after getting their ass beat. It's honorable, but at a certain point you're just causing more damage to yourself for a cause that's futile.As an American, I can empathize with a people fighting for their freedom, but it's just a waste of life if Russia is going to win anyway. If anything, it's just going to cause more tension and hatred when the Russians finally do annex the country. Also, Russia isn't that fucking bad; we're not talking about the USSR here.
>>544573945Democratically, if you want to remove the democratically elected leader, you're supposed to IMPEACH HIM bud. (democratically)
>>544574051Democratically elected law says that he abdicates if he refuses to show up and abandons his democratically elected post.
>>544574116no it doesn't bud
>>544569753>ignore security concerns of a neighbor completely>be outraged when neighbor responds>repeat step 1 until the moral improves
>>544569753ukraine more like cryingeraine
>>544574148Seems like the exact thing I said would happen has happened, we did a long roundabout thing to determine you are a liar. So again, no arguments to the OP, try again.
>>544574051JUSTVOTEHARDERRRRRlol you fuckin pussy
>>544574293You made a claim and now you can't prove it, try again.
>>544574341You lost.
>>544574319>I'm not a pussy! I'm a real hardcore politics guy and stuff! I'm going to throw away my democracy!*gets FABbed in a trench in the decade of civil war which follows*
>>544574148hilarious that someone who was force vaxxed thinks democracy is real
>>544574437No I'm afraid you are the one who lost.
>>544572694I pay big lads to do this to me
>>544574447did you democratically vote for your grandfather to be shipped to that desert island? lol
>>544574477Hilarious that you think "democracy isn't real" is an argument for why the west is allowed to practice might is right in Ukraine but no one else is.
>>544574546not an argument
>>544574565>is an argument for why the west is allowed to practice might is right in Ukraine but no one else is.So is might is right or not? Or are you about to lose another argument?
>>544574565I'm pretty sure your unable to form a coherent sentence ass is agreeing with medemocracy is fake. it's a roos
>>544574594it is your reality though and you have completely ignore reality lolps cut your mullet off you fucking sissy
>>544574607If it's right for one side, it's right for both sides.If it's unacceptable for one side, it's unacceptable for both sides.
>>544574648If you think I'm agreeing with you then perhaps you should re-evaluate why you replied to me in the first place.
>>544574702Yeah righto m8
>>544574721So you don't know then why are you arguing? You just keep losing arguments. Keep in mind you have yet to attempt the OP logic.
Sure whatever but how does that justify the European taxpayer paying for the war in Ukraine ?
>>544569753Sending its entire population into a meat grinder only qualifies as defense in the modern sense where nations are just lines on a map.
>>544574828cut your girl haircut off you fuckin PUSSEEEE
>>544574885I'm not arguing that might is right bud, I'm arguing that you overthrew Ukraine's democratically elected leader - a point you have been unable to refute.
>>544574786white people will always get vaxxed and side with their own oppressorit's called Stockholm syndrome. white faggots have an inate need to be ruled and dominated. white people are niggercattle
>>544575046how did you know I have a girl haircut?are you a glownigger stalking me through my webcam!?!?!?!!
>>544574897THEUKRAINE IS THE TIP OF THE SPEAR THEY FIGHT FOR THE EVROPEAN PERSPECTIVEBEHIND THEM IS POLAND FINLAND THE BALTS EVEN GERMONEY ITSELFR*SSIA HAS PICKED A FIGHT WITH ALL EVROPA
>>544575074zelensmyy was not democratically elected he was installed by the jewish west precisely to eliminate all fighting age non jews so that jews could take further control of ukraine
>>544575123yes. but that's what you want
>>544575178ah so you admit it is a spear pointed at Russia
>>544575182We're not talking about zelensky retard >>544575212why do you keep swapping I.P?
>>544575216OFCOURSE THATS HOW YOU DEAL WITH ALCOHOLIC BEARS
>>544575074So you are making irrelevant arguments based on lies as we have already established.
>>544575266You are the one who is lying, as we have already established.
>>544572447Are you denying that people were shot at referendums in the donbass? There's videos and articles mate, it happened. And even the fact that they sent the national guard to stop local referendums, regardless of the shooting, is a major red flag.Zogbot shills lie when they breathe.
>>544575368Didn't happen, if it did, its a good thing and thats Ukraine's domestic issue. Again, does not address the OP so you have lost like 10 times now.
>>544575479>thats Ukraine's domestic issue>unless America gets involved, then it's okay
>>544575546Yet again does not address the OP 11
>>544575580It disproves defense bud
>>544575615It does not, if the democratically elected people of Ukraine want US support that's their domestic issue. Everything of yours defaults to OP and you keep losing each time.
>>544569753Why should the entire world pay the price for 80IQ slavs?
>>544575690>if the democratically elected people of Ukraine want US support that's their domestic issueOk now what happens if some of them want Russian support?
>>544575796They lose democratic elections and their opinions are irrelevant. Kind of like how you keep losing elections and we (even your cunt) keep funding Ukraine cause its a good cause.
>>544569753based
>>544575850Ah so the opinions of the people who don't win the democratic elections are irrelevant?
>>544575899The opinions of people who lose are irrelevant yes kind of like how all your arguments are irrelevant cause you keep losing.
>>544575983Well there goes the Maidan revolutionThanks for agreeing with me
>>544575254I thought you australiniggers were supposed to be smartstandard internet service provider protocol is to give users dynamic IPs
>>544576044yet everyone else ITT manages to keep the same I.Phmmmmm maybe it's not so "standard"
>>544576023But the democratically elected revolution won retard.
>>544569840So if Paco can jump over your border, then your border is meaningless. The rulebreaker rules. That's your philosophy.
>>544576109Then why is it called the Maidan revolution and not the Maidan democratic election?
>>544569753Ukraine is not a real country, just like Israel and North Macedonia, so all points are invalid.
>>544576164The democratic elections voted for integration with the EU, the president dictatorially refused to implement the democratic wishes of the democratic peoples and then he fled and abandoned his post, so he was democratically removed.
>>544576292so vote him out lmao>democracy confuses and enrages the NAFO tranny
>>544576345They did vote him out retard, are you even paying attention? No wonder you keep losing arguments.
>>544576384What's the minimum number of votes required for impeachment in the Ukrainian parliament bud?
>>544576292PUTLERS PUPPET WAS DEMOCRATICALLY REMOVED THEY HAD A VOTE ON IT WAS A LANDSLIDE FOR REMOVALR*SSIA DOESNT OWWN THEUKRAINESHE WANTS TO JOIN THE EU FOR THE EVROPEAN PERSPECTIVE AND GUCCI HANDBAGS
>>544576451>THEY HAD A VOTE ON IT WAS A LANDSLIDE FOR REMOVALWhat was the vote tally?
>>544576433However many the democratically elected parliament democratically decides is the correct amount of democratic elected votes.
>>544569753A country doesn't need a "legitimate" reason to start a war. There are no international laws. There is only the strong imposing their will on the weak.
>>544576513>democracy is whatever we decide it is after the factLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo
What happened in 2014?
>>544576569Democratically decided.
>>544569753>Israel is defending itself.
>>544576613If you have to throw out your constitutional rules to do your "democracy" then it's not actually democracy bud
>>544576730It is democratic, they democratically decided what was best after the president abandoned his post. They went to a democratically elected institution and democratically elected to move forward how they democratically wished.
>>544575850But the donbass helped democratically elect yanukovich. When he was ousted by the west they chose to partake in a democratic process to leave the country and were strongarmed into staying. The mental gymnastics is crazy bro. Surely it hurts your brain to say such retarded shit.
>>544576859Very amusing how everyone in your story gets their authority from being previously democratically elected except of course.... you know... the democratically elected president.....
>>544569753Didn't this war begin because we tried to establish a coup in Crimea utilizing assets funneled through Ukraine? I feel like just after Russia took back Crimea in less than 24 hours, that's when the "Russian Separatists" and "Ukrainian Rebels" narratives started popping up everywhere, but intelligence agencies acknowledged that this was just staging for full invasion? Am I just retarded, or was that not how this all began?
>>544577024No
>>544576859WHERE DID PUTLERS PUPPET RUN TO SWITZERLAND OR SOMETHING NO HE RAN TO R*SSIAWHAT KIND OF DEMOCRACY IS THAT FOR THEUKRAINE THEY WERE A PUPPET OF R*SSIA BECAUSE R*SSIA THINKS ITS ENTITLED TO OWN THEUKRAINE BUT NOW THEUKRAINE IS FIGHTING FOR ITS FREEDOM
>>544577024It wasn't that long ago that even wikipedia acknowledged that Maidan protestors "took control of Ukraine's government buildings" - all buried and revised now of course, even though the original source still exists.
>>544576984Everyone was democratically elected, the president fled, the democratically elected parliament stayed. The president failed his democratically elected duties.
>>544577059So vote him out lmao
>>544577133So impeach himOh wait you can't
>>544577142He voted himself out, by fleeing.
>>544577173They did.
>>544577184Uh oh your done it now bud - now that you've cited himself you're going to have tell us all what he actually said.Why did he flee?
>>544577209They literally didn't lmao
>>544573460Russian weapon export has shitted the bed because they cant war
>>544577247Who cares? He fled and abandoned his post.
>>544569753>if I capitalize Ukraine and don’t capitalize Russia, we winCringe gay faggot “pidor” shit
>>544577301AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA>who cares what the democratically elected president says, every other democratically elected person matters except him for some reasonAverage NAFO tranny position
>>544577108i mean its not even a question that maidan is not the legitmate government of east ukraine. not only do they not legally recognize themselves as the inheritors of the former ukraine government and its contracted responsibilities to the region, the maidan government has never even bothered to make an attempt to include the territories of east ukraine that they failed to capture in political representation. there arent even seats held in escrow for regions like crimea and donetsk, they just immedately redistributed their seats among territories they controlled so that they could have a full parliament in 2014 to throw away the old national constitution and make a new one.if anything, russia invading the country is the best thing that could have happened to the maidan government to post-hoc legitimatize their rule.
>>544577378I actually looked it up, just to make sure:>In the afternoon, the Rada voted 328–0 (about 73% of its 447 members) to remove Yanukovych from his post and to schedule an early presidential election100% voted to remove. Thats pretty democratic, and then:>Disavowal by own partyYanukovych was soon disowned by the Party of Regions. In a statement issued by Oleksandr Yefremov, parliamentary faction leader, the party and its members "strongly condemn[ed] the criminal orders that led to human victims, an empty state treasury, huge debts, shame before the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the entire worldHis own people democratically abandoned him.
>>544577531>100% voted to remove>(about 73% of its 447 members)
>>5445697531. You're a kike
>>544569753Ukrainian males are human and their lives matter. I don't care what feminists say, Ukrainian male lives matter.
>>544577184>>544577209They didn't follow the constitutional procedure to oust him. They bypassed the process and declared a new election.Then the pro west candidate gets elected because Russia had moved into crimea and the east was turning into a civil war after their attempt to secede was violently put down. Poroshenko isn't the legitimate president, because the regions that would have voted against him didn't vote because of the escalations caused by maidan.You people are insane.
>>544577056Oh, but that narrative was there for some time period shortly before the war began. What was that about? Smoke and mirrors, disinfo, or like the russian troll farms I kept hearing about during that time?>>544577108So my recollection is mostly correct, or...? Shit blows my mind I that the whole "Ukrainian Rebels and Russian Separatists" narrative just fucking fell off the face of the planet one day.
The country of Ukraine was created for the sole purpose of starting a war with Russia
>>544569753this infuriating shit nigger logic is why the entire world wants ukraine to get smashed into everlasting silence
>>54457759673 percent is a democratically elected majority
>>544577531>In a statement issued by Oleksandr Yefremov, parliamentary faction leader, the party and its members "strongly condemn[ed] the criminal orders that led to human victims, an empty state treasury, huge debts, shame before the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the entire worldyou mean the statement was made by this guy?https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/250653.html
>>544577797That would be a very compelling argument if a simple majority is all that was required to impeach a president.(it's not) So why was a solid quarter of the Ukrainian parliament absent?Did something happen?
>>544569753please explain in specific detail why this is the USA's problem and why we are responsible for funding and supplying Ukraine's defense and logistics?
You don't get to make these decisions, the USA does.>Your moneyThe USA>Your intelligenceThe USA>Your equipmentThe USASo therefore none of this matters and all that matters is if we want you to keep doing this thing or not. You're in a war, this isn't debate club, kid.
>>544569916
1. You borrowed a lot of money from us. Pay it back.2. See point 1.3. See point 1.4. See point 1.5. See point 1.
>>544577932I thought it was because of this >>544577024
>>544569753>Russia is defending itself.>the Ukraine invaded Russia, not theother way around. >the Ukraine has no legitimate targetsin Russia. Never did. Never will.>the Ukraine doesn't get to claim it's"retaliating." See points 1 and 2.>Whatever hits the Ukraine is a response to its own terror. See points 1 and 2
>>544577746ever notice just how much their rhetoric matches up with the rhetoric used during COVID?
>>544577746>Whatever hits russia is a response to its own terrorLiterally just israel's excuse here, they just copy-pasted arguments for Israel + palestine and changed the names. It's crazy we can have multiple wars going on where the narratives are just copy-pasted the same exact things.
>>544569753Fuck Ukraine
>>544570612>that Kiev killed thousands of Russians in Donbass 2014-22, oppressing its Russian minorityNormies will say this never happened lol
>>544578074it is not our responsibilty to fund Ukraine's defense or logistics
>>544569753Donbast was defending itself I believe
>>544578234No shit, but I thought that's why we were doing it. I didn't realize you were asking a rhetorical question with no intention of having a constructive dialogue. My bad, nigga.
>>544569753>Aggressor can't retaliateIt's still retaliation and it goes along with escalation
Ukraine isn't a real country. It's a piece of Russia that got carved off. Russians tolerated them having sovereignty and self-determination for a long time, but nato pushed too hard to turn Ukraine against them. Russia really can't be expected to allow themselves to be surrounded by a hostile military alliance.
>>544577870They democratically lost is what happened.
>>544579136>over a hundred democratically elected leaders were absent FOR NO REASON AT ALLOf course the NAFO tranny doesn't want to say what happened.>They democratically lostDid they?How many votes are required to democratically win an impeachment vote?
>>544570112Pretty smooth flying, Fox
ukraine is the khazarian alabama of russia
>>544579267The democratically decided amount.
>>544579477>ummm akshually the constitution doesn't matterIt sure would be a shame if vast swathes of Ukraine quite liked that constitution
>>544569753>op is a faggot>op ha has a 2 week memory
>>544579556Vaster swathes democratically did not like it and democratically decided to remove him. You lost tranny, like 50 times now. And still does not address the OP
>>544578613>Russia really can't be expected to allow themselves to be surrounded by a hostile military alliance.Finland joined NATO, and Russian border with NATO multiplied by x2 because of this. You, pajeets, are really brain-dead roachniggers
>>544578613By that logic every country is one country, since areas just got carved off of something else. Retarded bullshit position.
>>544579624If you undemocratically disregard the constitution you can't be surprised when vaste swathes of the country don't want to be in the dame country as you anymore
>>544569840>War isn't decided by reason No one is saying this. We use reason and morality in these situations to try and straight and narrow our civilizations regardless so we don't plunge back into the dark ages
>>5445697531: Ukraine instilled a coup against a democratically elected President.2: Ukraine used military force to keep the provinces that elected the President from seceding after their vote was overturned.3: Ukraine has since cancelled elections and is now a dictator ship.4: Zelensky is a laughably corrupt evil kike.5: This is the future you chose.
>>544579809>undemocratically disregardDemocratically, does not change the OP still which you keep forgetting to address.
>>544579948If you have to disregard the constitutional rules of your democracy to do something then it's not democratic buddy
>>544569753For no reason at all Russia decided to just randomly invade huh
>>544580018Constitution is democratically decided on at arbitrary times.
>>544580076No you don't get to arbitrarily decide when to follow the constitution lmao
>>544569753Anyone remember official from either the White House staff or state departments went on a nightly show and claimed to the people that we were removing the “bad guys” in Ukraine. Would been around February 21st when the Ukrainian president left Kiev, guys purpose was to get the talk points out to basic goyim.
>>544580106Yes you do, everyone democratically decides to do that all the times. If Yanukovich did not like it he should have stayed instead of fleeing and challenged that motion.
>>544580220>everyone democratically decides to do that all the timesOoops even the people of the donbass?
>>544580281Why would you draw lines arbitrarily? The country as a whole democratically decided on it. Russian interference in Donbas was the only illegal thing here as they don't belong there its not their country.
>>544579658lmao, its all meaningless because the US is leaving nato, and the threat of US missiles and radars on Russias border has massively diminished, and even further euro-nato is completely humiliatingly de-militarized and exists solely on paper now. none of it is realits just spreadsheets of shit nato says it has with no staff, supply or industry to sustain it
>>544580419>nOoOooOoo ONLY MY TEAM IS ALLOWED TO DISREGARD THE CONSTITUTION lmao
>>544580473What a seething reply. You lost again, no argument, still did not address the OP,
>>5445798871. Nope, russia recognized ALL the elections after "the coup" for 8 years, two presidential and several parliament elections. pootin can't now retroactively not not recognize them because he decided to invade without a cause.2. Some parts of two provinces were infiltrated by russian operatives and taken hostage, those provinces had their representatives in the parliament to address any grievances. Those representatives overwhelmingly voted to call for new elections in 2014.3. the elections were never called because the Ukrainian law prohibits the elections during marshal law. Zelensky asked pootin nd trump to guarantee cease fire for only two months so the elections can be conducted according to the Constitution, both refuse.4 not more so that any politician, ESPECIALLY less than pootin and Trump.5. whatever,you lying pidor shill, and russia is the only one threatening nuclear war for no reason, for having a temper tantrum.
>>544569753what does it mean>russia invaded Ukraine?who actually killed first and for what reasons?
>>544580508It's not defense if you go to war with the people who don't agree with you disregarding their constitution buddy
>>544571434Why don't you post the original, pidor shill?pidors can only steal, never create
>>544571326>Russia legitimately gave that clay away in the first place. here you can demand gf to return all gifts when relationship ends>Does Russia have justification to invade Alaska just because it was part of their borders at one time?oh boy you'd be surprised
>>544580585There was no war with the people again another lie.
>>544580585nobody went to war against ukrainians, russian army just passed by to Kiev without any incidents with local population. Simply a political move. Suddenly they were assaulted by hohol terrorists and many innocent soldiers were killed for no reason at all.
>>544580281>the people of the donbasswho would that be? russia didn't even control the whole regions, not even the regional capitals where they conducted their fake "referendums" and unilaterally annexed the 4 regions to russia, AGAINST the russian constitution.
>>544573284why are you strawmanning each other? you both agree that both sides meddle, right? it's a proxy war. the west propped up an ukrainian-speaking nation looking to europe and russia, seeing ukraine slip out of its control, tried to balkanize it as a last resort. there are no good or bad guys in this story. just support your team.
>>544580735We had threads about the donbass war newfag
>>544569753point 4: ok, enjoy continuing to lose
>>544569753>NAFO nonsenseAnything about this war that doesn't reference Victoria Nuland or Lindsay "Big boy" Graham or Amy Klobuchar or John McCain can easily be ignored. If you run across some information telling you that J. Cofer Black sat on the board of Burisma alongside Hunter Biden, that stuff you should maybe sit up and pay attention to.
>>544580525The elections were never called because Zelensky is a tyrant putting his people into a meat grinder while stealing billions of dollars for himself.
>>544580802do you think russian soldiers scare russian people as they scare you? This grandma perceives the guy more likely as protection rather then danger. You are just retarded. Are you scared when you see american soldiers?
>>544580802>ummm those referendums were FAKE okay>unlike our totally REAL votes to remove the president after a quarter of the parliament fled for no reason at all and we didn't even meet the constitutionally mandated minimum number of votes anywayNAFO tranny logic
>>544580853Yeah the 2014 Russian invasion.
>>544580921>what about muh 4th rate politicians and their grandstanding for some points at home?fake and gay, pidor.
>>544570954>pure logicfella logic is anything but pure
>>544581059You lost.
>>544581023>ummm akshually that was just Russians on the other side>but we totally didn't have westerners on our side btw even though they were openly involved
>>544581090Admitting to the Russian invasion and that it was not a war against the people. You lost again.
>>544580960>muh emotional outburst and name callingthat's why people laugh at you pidrila. You have no response to concrete facts and behave like a troon on estrogen.
>>544581128If that was a Russian invasion then the western backed coup was a western backed coup
>>544570112does anybody think this AI video is real?
>>544581170You already admitted it was Russian interference and not a thing of the people. There is no reason for me to go any further here.
>>544581150how can anyone expect to take these shitskins serious when they still wear tribal clothing in professional environments?
>>544581206>Russian interferenceYou'll say this then pretend there was no western interference
Ukrainians are nazis wannabe and Russians want to bring back their commie empire so idgf abt both of them
>>544580984>but muh quarter of the parliamentthe fact that some MPs didn't vote or obstained does not invalidate the constitutional MAJORITY, you pidor moron. even russia AND pootin recognized all subsequent elections>hose referendums were FAKEabsolutely! which procedure was used? from which country? the "referendums were only conducted in areas under russian control, FAR from the whole population of the regions. Everything about those "referendums" was totally fake, the voting in the Parliament was legitimate AND according to the constitution and the laws.
>>544581381It does when the constitution says you need 3 quarters lmao
>>544580525>invade without a cause.Your enemy building nuclear silos next to you is not without cause. Everything else is just gibberish because Zelensky was instilled for this war and it would have been a farce even if they had an election because Ukraine is already making politicians disappear
>>544581247>take these shitskins seriouspootin is taking them seriously, they're his "best" customers nowadays. He has to sit there and take it on the chin and be a bitch, being lectured in front of the whole world.
>>544581327Again admitting to it, when are you going to realize you are retarded?
>>544581418>you need 3 quartersLMAO! for what, you retarded pidor?
>>544581449>enemy building nuclear siloskek, they've had nuclear silos .. and there was never a claim Ukraine was building anything nuclear related, you lying pidor.>Zelensky was instilled for this waryou have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, do you?
>>544581480If you're going to pretend Russia interfered but the west didn't, you'll convince no one.
>>544581496>constitutional rules confuse and enrage the NAFO tranny
>>544573945>All the guys we put in power all voted for the guy we wanted and that's why it's a democracy>No we won't ever hold any more elections because we won the first time democratically
