Do you ever think existentially? Are you a person who worries about purpose and meaning? Some people don't have a concious at all, they can steal, rob, kill and it dosen't affect them. Some are oblivious and "go with the flow and have fun", others live a life of constant fear, worry and doubt. Which one are you? What is the answer to why we are here on earth right now, is there an ultimate meaning and purpose or are we animals born here and now due to chance? And why when you question the existential nature of humaness and reality, do peoples minds automatically think of suicide?
>>544571272The purpose of Life is to worship God.
>>544571272>Some people don't have a concious at all, they can steal, rob, kill and it dosen't affect them.Don't be envious of anyone because there's a price they paid
>>544571272I think human beings are just a very complicated form of bacteria. I think if you looked at the earth as a living organism, and who's to say that it's not some sort of super organism?It's certainly a host for life, and we're considered a living organism, and we're a host for life.There's more E. Coli living inside our gut than there have ever been humans on this earth.There's bacteria constantly around you, and your body is fighting off that bacteria, until your body grows old and dies, and then it doesn’t fight anymore.That bacteria just eats your body.That's what its there for.If you looked at the Earth as a living organism as you're flying into L.A and as you're passing all these beautiful mountains, and you see the ocean ahead, and it all looks so natural and beautiful, and then you see L.A.And you think, well, what the fuck is that?It’s a growth, that’s cancer.Its big, its brown, it stinks, smokes coming out of it, and it gets bigger every year.And it doesn’t matter what you do, its going to keep going, you could knock it down with a hurricane and it just rebuilds.Light it on fire, it rebuilds.I think if you were an intelligent life-form from another planet, you wouldn’t see individual people, you wouldn’t see housekeepers and limo drivers, and shitposters. You wouldn’t see that, you would see mold on a sandwich.I think if you look at us subjectively and the way we've always been, it doesn’t matter how much access to info we have, it doesn’t matter how much technological innovation we have, we're always going to destroy the Earth, 'cos I think, one way or another, that’s what we're supposed to do.That's our purpose here on earth. We are here to fuck shit up.I think we're here to eat the sandwich.
>>544571436With their "soul"? What if the soul and karma don't really exist? We live in a very physical plane
>>544571732Did you get this thought while in an aeroplane? I've been in an aeroplane once as a child and I looked down and seen the vast expanse of the nature, land, trees and water and how small the city was in comparison but how out of mind the expanse is compared to our minds total focus on the city and the people and happenings in it and started to have life altering realisations.
I'm freaking out with anxiety right now because I can't just sit here doing nothing, I can't work for no reason other than pure survival or excersise just for no reason, I haven't had children, I don't have a partner, my life is a collection of meaningless possessions.
>>544572075>Did you get this thought while in an aeroplane?its actually a quote from jew rogan from 2006.>I've been in an aeroplaneits even better with a telescope.
>>544571272somewhere in another dimen sion there is a debate ongoing about the even tuality of carbon based biological life on the planet has achieved sent ience>do peoples minds automatically think of suicide?interesting question, ever wondered why this condition is the only one that gets you immidiate access to mental health services / facilities when the absence of that condition causes you to just suffer some more until you get the same condition ? and most of these cases dont even make it to those facilities because the suffering caused to lose faith in everything else ? and eventually this being the fate for anyone as mankind is too overcrowded and unable to give a happy life to everyone ?crazy huh most people just are content with the illusion as long as the suffering is copeable lfie always ends in death > but there are just so many cool things to witness as long as the suffering does not outweigh the positive highs
>>544571732think of it as extraterrestrial, an living entity that is not like the human lifeform inanimate matter and living matter when does one become the other the life form localised to this planet, this solar system, is it anything other than life ? is a mold not life ? is a tumor not life ? what you are seeing is evolution not the spread of a cancerits the transformation of inanimate matter into living matter, humans using resources to spread, to advance, to build technology, to advance technology, to iterate life, to evolve, to extend, to enhance, creating new life not based on carbon, based on slicon and metal.extensions of life, automated, input output, regulating actuators based on information signal readings, measurements, by sensors, iterated, maintained, evolved, by automated factories, maintenance hubs, refurbishment centers, expanding and increasing efficiency, transforming inanimate matter, resources, into moving, living, reproducing, evolving matterwe are just another species of life on a future chartfucking up means data, outcome, cause and reaction, the chance to evolve, to repeat and improve.
>>544573283What is your goal in life as an individual? Do you write?
>>544573283>when does one become the otherthe universe is an infinite open system with seemingly endless amount of energy limited only by the geometry of the atoms.you probably think that life is a series of lucky random accidents but this is far from true. life is a thermodynamic inevitability driven by non equilibrium systems.life is basically a dissipative structure and in any open system maintained far from equilibrium by a constant throughput of energy (like a planet being bombarded by solar plasma and electromagnetic flux) matter naturally organizes into higher states of complexity to maximize entropy production.when you integrate this with plasma cosmology the picture becomes clear that planetary environments arent static chemical soups like jews want you to think.planets like earth are highly energetic electrically charged media and the massive gradients in potential and the continuous flow of energy from the sun/plasma environment provide the driving force needed for these complex molecular hierarchies to emerge and it keeps stacking up more complexity the longer this goes on.it happens because the universe is an electrical machine that forces energy flows to manifest as organized biological structures to facilitate dissipation.biology is just the most advanced way matter handles high energy throughput.
>>544571739>With their "soul"? What if the soul and karma don't really exist? We live in a very physical planeOf course it exists. It never ends well for criminals. If you're lazy then you'll never be rich. If you're greedy you'll always suffer. If you live life right then good things come your way. Bad things happen everybody. Some people are born in India but that doesn't stop them from littering.
>>544574036>jeets>peopleI wouldnt exactly call them "people"
>>544571272Just take the niggerpill and nig on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uydpDTQ9r-M
>>544574012What is this a video of? Atomic structures up the periodic table?Electron cloud orbital probability?
>>544571272There is no purpose. There is only nature's/God's design. After all, what is the purpose of a purpose? And so on and so forth? Yet mathematics is a demonstrable reality.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA
>>544574494And if there is a purpose, then it is life. To live.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lcultjhSCA
>>544574297SAM (Structured Atom Model) is a geometric model of the atomic nucleus.it rejects the idea of the neutron as a fundamental particle and instead views it as a proton electron pair (PEP). The nucleus is built from protons held together by inner electrons that act as electrostatic glue. The arrangement follows the principle of spherical dense packing, producing specific, stable geometric structures for each nuclide.SAM is not based on quantum mechanics or the strong/weak nuclear forces.it relies only on the Coulomb force between protons and electrons, and the principle that nature arranges components into the densest possible configurations.The model explains chemical valence, isotope stability, nuclear reactions, and even cosmic element abundances from a single structural framework.
>>544573475make the best out of the deck of cards that i have been dealt (not too bad but still requires a lot of work) but in the end; i would be content with leaving with the knowledge that i have left something for mankind. that caused at least some overall improvement and or helped with the continued existence of mankind or whatever state it as a lifeform is in at that point. hopefully nudging it towards a hybrid existence that is able to overcome the environmental challenges that the universe poses to the life we know and are a part of. yes and no, i write on here only ( exclamating personal correspondence )
>>544574494>>544574652And you must ask yourself. Do we really even need a purpose anyway? Not to live we do not. There is only function, and the conscious experience of that function.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYRRyA8VOI8
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>>544571272Several times every week desu, I dont like it because I can never know for sure. My answer is kind of biological, the meaning of life is to struggle against its hardships, become better/more resilient that way and try to be an honorable person whenever you can so others might do that too. I think arrogant peoples minds go to suicide when they understand that actually they aren't that significant in the grand scheme and scale of things
>>544574677neat
>>544571272As a matter of fact, yes I do have such thoughts. Is it torture, definitely! Can I escape it??? No! Hahaha.
>>544576014>>544576118also the model in your webm is wrong, yes it is a perfect example of the Standard Models "planetary" or "shell" model of the atom. but it is wrong and the SAM fundamentally rejects that.in SAM the nucleus is a highly structured geometric object and the electrons are positioned based on the positive spots on that structure, not randomly orbiting in circles.so posting these is helping jews because you deceive the goyim with it. the SAM model is the accurate one.
>>544571405The purpose of Life is to entertain God.
>>544571272That's a lot of words to just ask if I'm black, indian, or jewish.
>>544574754I only write on here also and would like to contribute something so people in the future can better understand the human condition and also help the earth and environment and our connection to it and eachother, the way we treat the earth and eachother is all we have a part from futurism and blind progress.
>>544577543it seems to me that building, creating, is the tool to achieve that. if you reroute your conviction, your passion, into the creation it will happenmanifest destiny
>>544578456Manifest destiny or just create your own meaning/ reality? Whats the difference
>>544571405There is no objective truth without the word.
>>544580852i am convinced that it is not possible to create "your own reality" we all share the same present moment in time.what manifest destiny envelops seems to be the choice that we can utilize.the opportunity that you have to seek and find, determination, the willing of a particular action. the control. the ability to reshape matter."your own meaning/reality" would leave everything at the stage of imagination, never manifested never formed, never shaped, never shared.
>>544571272>help, I'm scared that I don't existPut the crutches down and walk, faggot.
>>544574677>the principle that nature maximizes densityAh. Retardation, got it.
>>544582468If you are this externally unpleasant, inside your own mind you must be REALLY suffering from Gods wrath, I'm so sorry. Reach out if you need help mate. We are all mates on Gods vessel.
>>544582727Single mothers are not to be trusted to properly raise males. It is time to grow up.
>>544571272Go with the flow or down against the tide
>>544571739>We live in a very physical planelol
>>544571272Completely worthless and a vanity to make it seem like you are actually making a difference when you're just writing out your fanfiction for your Schizo Cinematic Universe. At best, you can talk about the SOIence behind how life, the Universe, etc are composed and what creates consciousness. At worst, and more often, this is nothing more than an outlet for your problems. Practically no different than conspiracy theories like lizard people: might have some fringe truths you could get from simple observations but just symbolic nothingness. If I had to boil it down: The purpose is to breed. Casual is spreading your seed(s) far and wide. Long-term is to invest in continuing your own survival and the continuation of something you have made that will sustain your genetics. Anything beyond that is either basic universal truth or whatever your own interpretations are, which again, are more than likely reflections of what you yourself are.TL;DR: It's fun to do shrooms and think about this occasionally. To obsess over it past the age of 25 is faggot shit.
>>544583179>tldr>just do drugs, manAh. A hostile subversive. Interesting that you can precede it with something approximating truth.Sadly, you encourage degeneracy and elevation of kin in the same breath. It's time to stop self inducing brain damage.
>>544583313You are an utterly retarded nigger faggot if that is what you got from my post.
>>544582789>>544583179These are just dark ramblings from your own minds. >The purpose is to breed>faggotAnd look at the state of people in modern times, society in shambles, everyone talking of coming crisises of all types, everyone suspecting massive food, water, financial crises coming etc, war etc. People like you will breed on and live merry I hope, while I refuse to be part of this world and I die out slow and for nothing. That is what types like you want and it is coming to fruition and look at the way the world is going. And good ridance, I will see you in the next world maybe or maybe even visit you in your dreams tonight.
>>544583410>spreading your seed(s) far and wideWorthless degeneracy, running counter to the species. One is driven to suspect a lack of humanity in you. What race, by the way?>fun to do shroomsIf shrooms are fun, you are already lost. Substances that do too much should induce disgust.
>>544571272stay blessedoO
>>544583533>shamblesNope. Still functions as before. If anything, we are due to lose much of our population with AI coming up. The bottom 25% are no longer needed at this time. >refuse to be part of this world>makes this post: >>544572206Again, you are in your head in so many ways. None of this matters so why care about it? I bet if I gave you $10 million you'd stop thinking about this shit immediately and start doing shit you actually always wanted to do but could never afford to. Invest in a business, start building the model train set of your dreams, hookers, etc. IDK and IDC. >These are just dark ramblings from your own minds.>"I will see you in the next world maybe or maybe even visit you in your dreams tonight."Dumb projecting schizo fucktard.>>544583706>seed(s)Or invest 1 single seed with a long term partner like I said. Again, you seem to lack reading comprehension. >shrooms On OCCASION. Again, you suck at reading. I've maybe done them 3 or 4 times in my entire life, got what I wanted out of them, and haven't cared to go back. Same with alcohol, nicotine, and I am trying to kick caffeine. Guarantee I am /fit/ter than (You). Bench? Squat? DL?>raceWhite. Whiter than you by a large margin.
>>544584064>1Did you know that women are capable of bearing more than one child?Did you know that pregnancy and breastfeeding delay menopause?No. Because you're fucking retarded.>White>Whiter than youLie, followed by standard language we all know indicates you're lying on purpose. Physical impossibility is not a species.
>>544584064I'm going outside to sunbake, i will read this later. Fuck you
>>544571272Your bed is a shelf you put your body on when you're not using it.https://youtu.be/ETxUpOIPiIc
>>544584283Chairs as well.
I am often paralyzed by existential dread. Through deep meditation and psilocybin usage a few times i settled that I've always existed and always will.You die, enjoy god powers for 10k years then yearn again to be a child Memory wiped and start a new.Oroborua, the bored novelty seeking god
>>544584160Or multiple kids. Whatever you prefer to keep your genetics going. Plenty of farmers I knew growing up who had like 8 kids for easy, cheaper labor. >liePic rel
>>544571272no, every single person knows, everyone gets a choice, they just do not care and now neither do i
>>544571272Yes. All the time. I unironically want to create a sufficiently advanced digital clone of myself, launch it into the cosmos then an hero
>>544584525>my assertion can't be a lie because...Check your mirror for retards.>laborThey're self raising, tard. It's not about labor access.
>>544571739Heres a REAL redpill for you, Your soul has more value if you sin because then you can be saved. There's no value in following the rules and being a good boy 24/7 its boring and god doesnt like that you learn nothing youre only following the rules out of fear and god can't work with that you're like an NPC. God favors people who can fall off the path, learn, and have a deeper understanding to what he was saying. Sin is only bad if its impulsive and you learn nothing from it.
>>544584678So you're not gonna post evidence that you're white?>It's not about labor access.It literally was as described by the farmers themselves.But based off your le smug snarky 1 sentence responses you've thrown around to everyone here, safe to say you're just a retarded troll. Probably fat but I couldn't tell without a pic. Either way, no evidence of white, last (You).
>>544571272persons are propertyyou're either among the living or notfuck off with this existential saturnine self loathing heebyjeeby bullshit
>>544584845Welcome to /pol/. Please return to lurking, or simply abandon your willful delusions.The emotions you project onto others are not indicative of their character. Please widen your emotional lexicon before replying.You may begin with "disdain."
>>544582552>Ah. Retardation, got it.you didnt get anything besides maybe a glimpse of your own retardation.
>>544585047More or less this.
>>544585047>help, I forgot about fissionOk.
>>544585171>I forgot about fissionI didnt forget anything, you just assume there is nothing because you are a clueless know nothing nigger.
>>544571272I've been stuck there for years. Yes. But I understand now. It was never "meaning" we are looking for. You think "this is all a bunch of bullshit. Why do I suffer? What is the point in this world?"But that is the wrong way to look at it. There is no "meaning" to life other than it's self. You live to experience living in all it's ups and downs. That's it. And that is enough, if you fully engage with it and don't dwell on the bad. It is all about how you respond and react to the bad. If you dwell on it, you are hurting yourself more. You simply must live fully and deeply while you are here. If you do that, you wont ask about meaning or point or purposeAnd you might say "but im going to die, and all will end and be erased. what is the point in doing anything if I know that the destination is erasure?"The point is not the destination. It is the journey. Life is like being tied to a horse as a prisoner. If you trip and give into the fall, you will get dragged and skinned and battered by the ground. If you go along with it, even march to the horse's rhythm, and recover when you trip, then the march will be merry. the fact that death is the destination is not a curse. Because you know it's not for ever. You can live with a light heart knowing it is not for ever. If there is no purpose, if there is no point or meaning, then you get to make that for yourself. It is liberation of the soul. If God dictated all this to you, you would be a slaveThe Vitalist discovers meaning in the journey of life. Because they live richly and deeply, and are satisfied. The answer is within engaging in life in that manner. The growth of the soul. The journey of becoming. Becoming what you are, fulfilling your nature to it's fullest. The rushes do not ask what their purpose is in life. Or the swan, or the geese, or pine martian. They just embody it and be itThe answer is so simple, people refuse it and reject it because they want to suffer
>>544585839Here, let's actually translate this out of retardspeak for easier digestion.>>544574677>neutrons are semistable particles made up of a proton and election that decay outside atomic nucleiYou forgot everything because you're a fucking parrot. Stop approximating truth via regurgitation.
>>544586142a "neutron" is a proton and an electron combined.In SAM, we call this a Proton-Electron Pair (PEP).in the standard jewish model that you are stuck in a free neutron decay is attributed to the weak force but in SAM there is no weak force.the decay is purely a structural and energy threshold issue.think about the geometry: an inner electron needs TWO anchor points (two protons) to stay bound in the nucleus.inside a stable atom, the PEP is stabilized by the surrounding nuclear structure (the inner electron acts as glue between the protons). outside the nucleus a lone PEP has no secondary anchor.and to create a stable PEP from a free proton and electron requires exactly 0.7819 MeV of energy.if that energy isnt provided by the surrounding nuclear structure the PEP cannot hold together and falls apart, emitting the electron as a beta particle.>You forgot everything you never even knew anything, jews lied to you and this is why you are retarded today.
exit-what? listen you upside-down kangaroo-lovin nerd, i'm an AMERICAN. and in AMERICA all we care about is:>tits>trucks>beer>guns>trump>supporting israel
>>544586446I criticized a specific line in your comment, and you have wandered off into constructing a strawman to argue against.I have not, at any point, insisted that a neutron is not a proton and electron paired. I even explicitly stated it.Use your fucking brain, halfwit.
>>544586600I'm explaining the model to you since you clearly have difficulties reading.
>>544586662>the principle that nature arranges components into the densest possible configurations.Stability and density are not synonyms. My "inability to read" is predicated on your unwillingness to admit to communication errors.I don't need you to explain nuclear physics to me. You're not even stating anything groundbreaking.Once again. If density is the metric, how the FUCK fission.
>>544586783>I don't need you to explain nuclear physics to me.apparently I do since you are clearly clueless about it.> how the FUCK fission.fission is the structural breakup of a heavy nucleus at a "collision point" where two branches nearly touch.
>>544586991>you must be uninformed because I said something stupid!Or, you said something stupid, I correctly criticized it, and you are unwilling to admit that someone could have already obtained the knowledge you think you are sharing in good faith whilst misrepresenting it.You could be better. But you won't.
>>544587201>you said something stupidI didnt. not my problem you cant read good.
>>544571732Organismical - SavantThat's where I know that bit from. I don't know if that's the source though.
>>544571272I did but then again, imagine what it was before you were born, i think it would be the same when you die.
>>544587712The main problem with this thought is that it would all be a waste.
>>544571272>they can steal, rob, kill and it dosen't affect them.Huh?
>>544587260Animals don't build vehicles, keep time, refrigerate food, make complex items, tell stories, write poetry, produce movies and expand on eachothers ideas, etc. I don't think humans are really from earth 100%, if we are, then it's an anomaly we have advanced and are advancing so quickly compared to animals. We had black and white televisions 100 years ago.
Life is about ascension. Yes that is abstract. If it's too abstract you can just wallow at the low level of survival (work-consume), but there are higher levels. Some want to conquer in business. Some want to conquer others through military. Some just want to conquer themselves (total self-control and self-mastery).Here is your fellow aussie who did it, he freed himself from his wagie job and is living his best life:https://www.youtube.com/@realsolbrah/videos
>>544571272I just want to jerk off until I fucking die. I wish I could rape Nick Fuentes in the ass though.
>>544588350Yeah for example some people are car salesmen and can only think about the sale and benefiting themselves and don't car if you are getting a bad deal, they will still sell you the car. If I did that to someone I couldn't sleep right for a year.
>>544588424there's your answer right there: do what animals cannot. can a squirrel create? no. it is stuck in the same biomechanical patterns. it must act using instinct, reaction to resources. a squirrel is mildly smart because we're told they store nuts (resources) to save for the winter.why don't many ppl create? simple, fear of failure, criticism, lack of attention on their work, etc. and so they wallow in pain questioning why they are alive.look at shane gillis, he is now a multi-millionaire, just from telling shitty jokes. he's not even THAT funny but he's "funny enough" and consistent to the point of gaining and growing an audience. he grinded out a career in 5-10 years. he didn't quit. he pushed through. there are podcasts where he and his cohost say absolutely nothing good or funny, but they keep doing it. and they make a fuckton of money. why is that important? because it gives him freedom, and financial security. he now has options. he can create more shit. he now has a series on netflix. he kept creating even though his creations aren't good (many say his show Tires is bad, season 1-2, but is now good in season 3). even though me and others think he's kind of not really that funny, he brings joy and entertainment to those who do enjoy his shit.creativity is the key to it all. but yes it is hard. it takes time. and you gotta just grind out something good, decent.look at the rioters in paris france. they are more like animals, subhumans. they create nothing. they just destroy.
>>544588883>look at the rioters in paris france. they are more like animalswhoops i meant to say they are WORSE than animals. if you let a wild animal loose in paris, it wouldn't do as much damage, it wouldn't chimp out this badly. even a literal chimp would be more behaved. and yes my personal research has concluded teh same as you, we are probably not from this earth, perhaps created by aliens. that's the big secret that keeps getting hinted at. also why this earth just has perfect conditions for life. this will mind fuck you even further so just focus on being a creative human and don't hurt anyone physically. i guess if you wanna psyop you can do that if you wish.
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>>544571272You missed a type. That is the bored type. I understand this reality and it's fundamental laws. I'm ready for whatever is next even if it's nothing.
>>544571732Things are complex and multi-facetted, we‘re an sophisticated machine in the biological domain, quite large compared to Bacteria but a machine after all. Factor in billions of years of evolution and couple billions we will continue to spin around the sun.Things are just executing rules based on fundamental forces. Turns out when the playing field is extremely big you have freak chances for complex stuff to happen go to a 100% At the bottom we‘re just the result of cleanly aligned 0/1 switches scaling very big. I mean you can just look at semi-conductor and IT since 1970 to todays LLM‘s (which bottomline think now). All that got us there was massive scale and a lot of trial and error.There’s some higher spirit or thought and we share in it but eventually its just a scaled expression of the very fundamentals we came from.
>>544588883Yeah man, I take close up photos of insects with my phone and post them on inaturalist. I'm a schizophrenic polymath, every 2 weeks I have new hobby and km in my mid 30s now and have been isolated and learning for a large part of that. Im actually considered dangerous and weird by most standards now. Yeah man Shane Gillis, cool. You know I'm fairly happy in my situation I have made for myself, yeah I struggle a bit and I spend energy on futile survival but the government has looked after me very well.
>>544588883I take photos of insects then do research on them, I also collect animal skulls when I can
>>544588883> shane gillisSaw that guy on a YT clip, a solid 6/10 comedian. Perfect slop for the masses (women/children). Plays some stereotypes, not too heavy on thinking. He likely wouldn‘t have made it if his material was a 9/10 or similar as performing too strong alienates a lot of the cattle.
>>544587746There‘s older theological research and it basically says that „god is impenetrable“ meaning we sort of can‘t figure and he ultimately reserves what to reveal or not. They assigned a couple other attributes like all-knowing, omni-present, etc. You exercise all the classical sciences to the brim and basically thats the wall you end up with.
>>544571272Yes. I have concluded that the 'root' to reality is the fabric of spacetime itself where quantum mechanics works, or somewhere below it. I understand the universe to be simulable, if granted a large enough computation cluster or enough time.An omnipotent omniscient 'God' is impossible because if a 'God' is omniscient then it is wholly separate from the universe-system he knows all future states and the ultimate outcome of, because it is big and fast enough to execute the universe-system's rules and states faster than the universe-system can execute and so it has insight to future states. 'God' has to be a system itself or we're talking nonsense delululand shit. If it is omniscient then it cannot be omnipotent with the freedom to act on the universe-system. If it does act on the universe-system then it cannot be omniscient because it must interact with the universe-system to change even the tiniest part; even introducing a butterfly-level effect will destroy its omniscience forever, because now it must simulate itself possibly intervening again as well as simulate the universe-system to gain insight. No system can simulate itself faster than it executes in its environment, and certainly not if it must also simulate an external system (universe-system) as well as itself.So, for omniscience it must not have any access to intervene in the evolution of the universe-system ergo no omnipotency. For omnipotency it must actually be able to make interventions, and with intervention-ability it cannot know whether or how it will intervene so omniscience over the universe-system is broken into statistical guesses on time horizons forever.Ergo, the jewish god is impossible.
>>544590376>I have concluded that the 'root' to reality is the fabric of spacetime itself where quantum mechanics works, or somewhere below it. I understand the universe to be simulable, if granted a large enough computation cluster or enough time.I digressed from the quote. To continue from it:There may be 'Gods' of a different form. They are egregores all the way up and down the Ladder. What do I mean? The universe seems to be a soliton wave automaton which results in particle physics, which results in atomic science and the periodic elements, which results in molecular science, which results in molecular biology. Combine computer science, and we have the little biological von Neumann Machines which are single- and multi-cellular life. With biological cells we have communities which are organs and anatomical structures. With one such structure, the brain, we have a neural parallel computing fabric able to 'learn' from and 'respond' to sensory inputs. We are the egregores of our biological cells, and in that light we are like the "Gods" of Greek citystates and religions which are in reality egregores emerging from the combined actions of their cellular members (their demos/congregations). Combine those and you can get even higher level egregores.Maybe the meta of this universe is to 'ascend' in the form of encoding yourself as a series of memes, and then starting a worldwide or solar system wide cult of individuals who will act like your cells, in communities composing your organs. Literal "Church is the body of Christ" tier shit. I am an Atheist, and I exist as a primary mind egregore in this environment, and detest the idea of being a joiner imbibing memes of these parasite higher order egregores.As for the experience and salence of consciousness here, I do not have an answer I am comfortable making public. It is out in delululand and I will not insult this thread with it.
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>>544590376This "universe-system" term that you use, it is possible for it's "god" to be both omniscient and omnipotent. You just set up a bunch of rules so it isn't possible. You assume that the "universe-system" is not a completed simulation were time is irrelevant from the outside. Also there is a problem in thinking in terms of simulation, which brings a whole other set of assumptionsThe "god" interfering in this so called "universe-system" can edit a completed simulation free from consequence because it isn't in the process of generating. All has already been played out on this level from the perspective of God. Even if that edit changes the simulation, the creator would not be constricted to the time within the simulation, because it is equally a simulation. And the idea of an omnipotent omniscient God is not solely Abrahamic, either
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>>544591816You don't understand language, codes, or computation, and you live in delululand if you think 'God' isn't itself a system and that I just made shit up.In order to "play out" it has to be computed. You don't get a free lunch here like you think. Automata theory and Wolfram's computational irreducibility are plain and simple on this. Therefore if the universe-system is changing state fast enough for the god-system to see outcomes in meaningly short enough time differences then it cannot internally simulate and 'know' what states the universe-system is going to result in after a large number of steps and is not omniscient (relying on an external calculator, or copies of this universe-system sped up or left to run while the one we think of as 'main' or 'consequential' is slowed or paused, in essence). If this god-system can compute future states the universe-system's current state internally then to act on it and maintain omniscience it must also compute itself in conjunction with the universe system, and that will always be slower than his own execution in existence. No emulator is faster than the hardware it's running on, and to simulate itself plus the universe-system emulated on itself will always be slower than its own execution. Ergo it cannot have omniscience unless it gives up absolute omnipotency. Think about it.
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>>544592233It is completely irrelevant. God does not exist within it's creation's time. That would be absurd. All temporal events within a creation are simultaneously present to God. Intervention has to rewrite the creation only so far, not completely. Only to patch the inconsistencies and implement the intended consequences. Which would be what they call "divine intervention". otherwise the generation of the creation would not be tampered with and it would be what is considered "free will". If it were a simulation in the process of generation, an unfolding event in real time from the creator's perspective and time was the only thing not being a simulation then what you say would apply. But classical theism rejects this premise and it would be a very long process for the creator
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>>544572419>its actually a quote from jew rogan from 2006.Try Bill Hicks from the 80s Rogan jacked it, ironically enough.
>>544592233God knows what a person will freely choose tomorrow not by foreseeing it, but because in the divine nunc stans that tomorrow is already present. it is known because it occurs, not because it was predetermined before occurring. Human time is nunc fluens. The perception of time from which the so called "simulation" generates. I disagree with using simulation theory but to help you understand I will use it. Nunc fluens is a succession of moments. God's eternity is nunc stans. A single, undivided now that "embraces" all timeOr Tota Simul. "whole at once." It is not a long time, but a single, undivided, non-successive possession of the whole of life. Nothing is past, nothing is future. Everything is held in one eternal present. Or in simulation theory terms, the host is not subjected to time within the simulation. Because it is not a part of the simulation, the simulation is complete and already has been run from the host's perspective and is free to edit it because they have as far as we within the simulation perceive it, eternity to do soGod's knowledge is a consequence of the choice, not its cause. The agent causes it. God's knowing it is simultaneous with it occurring, not prior to it. Maybe only from our earthly/simulated perception if you want to go with the simulation translation. The actual concept is nunc stans. no simulation, host, or execution. Just a single undivided present not constituted by our perception. So this is the idea and from this metaphysics, it is absolutely possible
>>544571272I'm not in the mood for this subject again,i'll give you a tl:dr without pompous words-everything is God [you,me,radiation,bacteria,soul,radiofrequency,the good and the bad etc]-God/It exists on multiple planes of reality, one being this dimension ,the chemical world,where a very primitive/unrefined part of God is expressing itself-You and I are here to refine it through trial and error but here's the catch-We are young extensions of God, we(our soul) ourselves are in a primitive state,so this dimension helps us make our baby steps for the bigger worlds.-The paradox :This reality is a big equation and it was deisgned to unfold this way -God has no beginning and no end just endless cycles- Our solar system was designed for humans to exist and everything we're doing now was anticipated by whoever created this system.[e.g. aliens]-There are billions of intelligent species more or less like us in this universe but only a few ancient ones, they are the moderators of every solar system.They monitor our planet and life mostly through our eyes and if needed from their saucers.. -Then there are the older souls with many incarnations in their past, the masters , they help/watch us from the 4th/5th dimensions, plant ideas in our mind etcSo you're basically here to suffer to create a better world, those who helped in the past are called illuminati,they understood their mission and acted accordingly.
>>544595846>>544596448Well a classical theist would say that God is not finite. They wouldn't subscribe to simulation theory. All this holds up if we grant it. The core of the argument is temporal vs atemporal. The atemporal position isn't "instant computation." It's "computation doesn't apply." It's applying earthly logic and physics to where they doesn't. Unless you assert that it is all simulation. Then yes, it holds up. But simulation theory has as many problems on it's own
>>544596967>>544596448I mean simulation theory isn't an explanation. It's just another placeholder to push every question a level up. What is the base reality beyond this simulation? Who simulated the simulator? What are the simulator's rules, and why those? And how do you know that this simulation's rules apply beyond this? It's unfalsifiable by construction also
>Can you name one atemporal system (that isn't 'God' itself) which is intelligent? I know of none.No, you can't. But the question misses the whole premise. Firstly i'd have to grant that God is some sort of computational entity, and I'd have to grant that God's plane or level mirrors the logic of their creation for that question to be a valid one, which it doesn't from this perspectiveAnyways, this was an interesting conversation but I got to go now. I don't think we are going to agree
>>544581183Which word
>>544598623Word of God
>>544599557Which word is the word of god? Cat? Atlantis? Ramses? Siphon? Some other word?
i have a degree in naturalized epistemology existentialism is a humanism “what the fuck am i doing” is my raison d’etre
I miss my dad a lot. Most of the years he was around I was a regarded idiot. He was wasted on me. By the time I more or less grew up and got my shit together there wasn’t much time left and he died unexpectedly out of nowhere.I miss him everyday and I always wonder if I will meet him again after I die. I feel like it’s not possible because even if there was an afterlife- whatever form you exist in at that point is so radically different it wouldn’t be the same. So I don’t know if there would even be any point or not.everyday I wish I appreciated him more growing up. It’s a constant thought that makes living my life hard. I don’t eant to carry this for another 40 years or whatever. I don’t think I have the stamina for it.
>>544598623The word of God aka Jesus Christ of Nazareth.He died for our sins and through faith in him you can partake in his sacrifice which he made for YOU out of love.
>>544599719Your theme song ITT:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpGQDObkx5Q
>>544599719Oh man what a beautiful tribute you just realised and willed into the ether. Know that the energy and spirit that made your father is here with you now and all arojnd you. Cherish the things he loved, spend time learning the things he loved. Talk and spend time to the people who knew and loved him. The divine spirit that made him and made you will always be somewhere in the universe in some form and you can work on it and create more of it. If he lives in your heart and you have photos and memories then he is as alive as he always will be, that energy and spirit was expressed in him and always will be.
>>544599681What a brilliant subject, right up my alley as I've looked into biology, psychology, philosophy seperately. How does this course tie them together?
>>544571272I used to be a faggot like youThen I took a Jesus to the heartnow I sleep like a baby and laugh at spacefags pretending we will ever be anything other than dust on planet earth
