>>544599826why should he stop it when he made it falling in first place. We may never learn the reason, what he has done, but it's clear that this guy deserved it since this was an act of divine justice.
>>544599826You say stop as if it fell by its own accord. Here is a likely scenario:In their past lives, that priest was in an altercation where he clubbed a dude to death. He asked to have the life of a priest to help repay that sin. The guy who was clubbed to death also wanted a life where he could sin very little and repay a lot of his original sin and became the crucifix, so they both agreed this would be a good outcome. It is arguable that the priest lived his life in an upright way, but the act was long ago planned out. In the final round, these things will be more clear.
>>544600060ChristCuck,There is no god.
>>544600735>Here is a likely scenario:>makes up oogabooga
>>544599826The Demiurge just wanted to have a giggle. We are all his toys our pain and death means nothing to him.
>>544599826God is already fed up with christcucks
Because his time had come. Pretty epic way to go. Also funny that retarda think being christian means God will just protect you from all harm like he's some genie in a bottle that caters to your wishes.
Why would he fix human error? That shit wasn't fixed correctly. Literally not his problem.Also>Lord, if this is how You treat Your friends, it's no wonder You have so few!
>>544600060There is no justice because a woman ate an apple.
>>544599826Christcucks were worshipping the wrong god.
>>544600969>love God so much you become a priest and work to spread his message everyday>this is the rewardIf this is how he treats his most faithful followers why worship such a cruel or uncaring God?
>>544601089>everyone is cursed to be evil forever just because our distant ancestors were curious and ate a fruit
>>544599826why does he have to explain himself to you?
>Christ is kin....ACK!
>>544601151Why do you assume dying is a bad thing? He's done his part and he was allowed to die in a state of grace, whilst serving God, instantly and without suffering. I can't think of many better ways to go.
>>544599826Do you watch Hollywood films and ask the same kind of questions?
because god is not real
>>544599826>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.the question you should be asking is why god made the crucifix fall
>>544599826>Why didn’t God stop the crucifix from falling?The Day of the Beast Arrives? Sanchez kek dies 17/10/202631years? How does that work? Since the movie: The Day of the Beast 20th October 1995 (Crucifix the instrument of death, coincidence?)Shouldn't it be 33yrs later? Shenanigans I say! July is the 5th month in the Islamic Calendar & 7th month with the Gentile CalendarThe Priest Sanchez was born 28th July 1978 - To the release date of the film 20th October 1995 - 17yrs 1 Month 7 days spooky than dies 17th October 2026This should of happened 2yrs from now? Meh I stopped doing this shit 10yrs ago - End Times Gestalt UML 369 101
>>544601292He sure traumatized a bunch of people and made them question their faith by dying that way. Why not just let him die in his sleep peacefully?
>>544601327He is real and he is a cunt.
Did the cross actually fall on him? I thought it was just a meme, kik
>>544599826You could go on about idolotry and other things but can you really not think of a situation where God has sufficient moral reason to allow this?And if you as limited as we humans are can think of even a single reason, how many more must the be?
>>544601348I don’t think we should worship a god who brags about creating darkness and evil.
The christcuck will tell you that God had a special plan for him and that he deserved it
>>544601651>It makes no sense to me, but I’m sure God MUST have a good reason!
>>544601543If that makes someone question their faith, they had none to begin with. >Why not just let him die in his sleep peacefully?Maybe precisely so that some lukewarm believers have to dig deeper and realize how weak their faith was and find a deeper and stronger level of faith.
>>544601685>I don't think we should be worshiping the evil god of the most evil race of people on the planet, who have historically always been evil, from burning babies to bragging about genocides and subversions which led to genocides, to committing genocides in the current era while laughing about itWhoa whoa whoa hang on there, buddy. Let's not be hasty
>>544601776Doesn’t matter how strong your faith is. Seeing your beloved pastor die right in front of you hurts everyone and makes God look worse.All you do is cope and make excuses for his passivity and evil.
>>544601852If you question God just because something uncomfortable happens in your life, that's your fault for having the faith of someone entitled and arrogant that throws a tantrum each time you don't get your way, not God's.
>>544601776If seeing the head of your faith get killed by a symbol of your faith while in building for your faith surrounded by people of that faith doesn't make you question your faith, then you're not sentient and have nothing to brag about
>>544601935If you feel like someone dying in a way you don't approve of means you are validated to rebel against God, you're the problem.
the demiurge enjoys our suffering. i have seen no proof so far that anything beyond the demiurge exists.
>>544601898>Sure my life is full of evil and suffering but none of it can possibly be God’s fault because I like him!You never wonder that maybe God isn’t perfect? That he doesn’t have your best interests in mind?
No such thing as god, but shoddy workmen are everywhere. Some cunt didn't fix this properly to the wall and it's unfortunate timing.
>>544601999show flag jeet
>>544601999Nah, I'm perfect. Precisely because I'm not a memeflag from a subhuman nation pretending magic jews are real.
>>544602008I think there is a real God above the Demiurge who blessed us with reason and imagination so we can one day escape the Demiurge’s prison.
>>544601089>There is no justice because a woman ate an apple.Well?Given the current state of events, wouldn't you say the Bible was trying to give us wisdom and foreboding?
>>544602078Ok. >You never wonder that maybe God isn’t perfect? No, because I don't conflate perfect with "things always go my way". >That he doesn’t have your best interests in mind?No, because sometimes what's in my best interest is something I deeply despise. Like a dad taking away the ipad from his kid so it doesn't get brainrotted. The kid might tantrum, tell the das he's an asshole and that he hates him and genuinely believe that his dad is an unfair faggot that doesn't love him for not letting him have his way when the dad simply gives him boundaries precisely beacause he loves him too much to spoil him and let him get weak and rotten.
>>544599826The message is pretty clear. It's his literal last word>memento mori>all of us will die
>>544602216>Ok.Thanks for agreeing.Nah, I'm not reading the rest of your brick of cope.
>>544601898That's the thing, faith in something is usually earned. God seems completely indifferent to everything happening, so I don't see how faith in him can ever be justified. Everything Christians say about having a plan is just cope.
>>544602192History and experience are the best teachers.
>>544599826God wasn't in the building.
>>544600060>but it's clear that this guy deservedChurches closed during common flu scamdemic. They aren't real churches.
>>544601685Coward
Post the fucking video you faggots.
>>544602309Slave.
>>544602267>History and experience are the best teachers.If only. For example we should have learned not to accept inflationary policies with the fall of Rome. By the time people learn all the history, it's too late.
>>544602266Him not giving in to your whining isn't him being indifferent just how mom not giving you a third donut despite you hammering your fists on the ground and banging your head isn't her being indifferent, it's her not letting you manipulate her into letting you indulge in your vices too much by making her feel evil for not giving you what you want.
>>544602353Problem is most people are taught not to care about history and think modern people are superior just because we have iPhones.
>>544602330
80% of catholic priests are homosexual
>>544602378If a mother stands back and knowingly allows her child to die in a horrific way I think that’s evil.
>>544599826Why didn't god save Gaza?One guy can be a secret murderer or whatever, but one "nation" that supposedly lost mostly kids seems far more absolutely innocent (unless its system of faith and governance irredeemably corrupts the people from the cradle onwards of course).If you wanna imply about god's opinion it's better not to try to pass off obvious exceptions as rule and viceversa.
Not a Catholic myself but I think there's a decent number of them that will tell you that the clergy has been compromised for a while, starting with Vatican 2. Ecuador is a very impoverished nation, I wonder how much charity he took part in, and how long the crucifix stood in that spot before it happened.
>>544602505Uh God just hates Muslims and loves Jews! (ignore the fact that they worship the same God)
>>544602378I'm not talking about trivial shit like people whining. More endless cope from the retarded Christian. The fact that you have to defend your all-powerful God says more about him than I ever could.
>>544602497You're talking to a retard who will make excuses for a God who murders children
>>544602540Catholics banned married men from the priesthood.Guess what happened next? Take a wild guess? The entire priesthood filled up with homosexual men. An estimated 80% of catholic priests are gay men. Catholocism was always "infiltrated" in the sense that normal family men are not becoming priests.
>>544602497Yes because a mother would be human and thus not in a position to decide over life and death. God is divine and the one in charge of life and death, deciding who will die when and how is part of his job, thus not evil. If you think being christian means being protected from dying because you really really don't like the concept of death, you're just being childish and ridiculous.
>>544602582Whining about someone dying in a way you don't like is whining.
>>544602634Whining about someone criticizing your favorite thing is also whining
>>544602579What would worship have to do with that again?Would you love everyone who worships you equally, especially if they do so in such obviously different ways?If anything poor worship would incite me were i a god.
only way any of this makes sense if god is non-interventionist, if god actually acts on the physical world, he's either extremely selective and indifferent ( which, in an omniscient being, reads as callous at best) or plain malevolentmaybe the old Gnostics were unto something
>>544602585Yeah I figured. It’s still good to try to spread reason and truth.>>544602619>God is perfect and always good because he has power over meLiteral slave mentality. Keep making excuses for evil.
>>544602606Christianity is just a Jewish Heresy. You guys need to snap out of this shit.
>>544602655I'm not whining, I'm just explaining to you how things work. Take it or leave it.
>>544602658I don’t think a real God would care about worship at all. He should just want us to be good, have peace, avoid suffering, and reach our full potential.
>>544599826Because the story needed telling.
>>544602784They're not whining they're just explaining to you why they disagree Take it or leave it
>>544602729>It’s still good to try to spread reason and truth.Respect
>>544602729Yes, it's good to submit your own will to divinity for the higher good. The alternative is the arrogant and entitled, narcissistic, navel gazing, egocentric, prideful society that throws a tantrum if you tell them they can't strangle their kids with an exercise band, we have now. Good luck with that.
>>544601151>Rewards him but taking him out of this worldIf he was a good man, then he will go to heaven
>>544600859You know ‘the future’ at times as well and get angry this isn’t a good meme nor is it funny the fact you still think there is a ‘future’ and probably a ‘past’ shows your mud nigger understanding of reality
>>544602830God said you can't think like he thinks. You little worm
>>544602853Having a melt down over not getting your way from God is whining. Explaining why not always getting your way from God isn't a bad thing isn't whining.
>>544601898You're the ones insisting God is perfect. Sorry for having high standards for what that means.
>>544602744It's a jewish religion started by literal jewish Pharisees that tell non-jews to worship a dead jewish rabbi who was totally for realsies a god and not just a dead jewish rabbi. Now give 10% of your income to the jews in Israel, as Saul the Pharisee, who created christianity, commands of you in Romans. Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef never let jewish lands except under duress and explicitly told his followers that his teachings were just for his fellow jews. Saul was the one who decided "Nah, he was just kidding :) "
>>544602932He is. You just disagree with what his idea of perfect is because in your mine, perfect would only be something that always goes your way. You're like a child that prefers grandma over dad because grandma never says no to candy and McDonalds.
>>544602879If God really loved us he wouldn’t demand submission and allow evil and suffering in our world. If this material reality isn’t perfect, then neither is its creator.>>544602885At the cost of permanently scarring his followers. I wonder how many kids were in the church and saw it happen firsthand?
>>544602902Someone can't take a joke >>544602924>Having a melt down over not getting your way from God is whiningHaving a meltdown down because someone doesn't believe like you is whining >Explaining why not always getting your way from God isn't a bad thing isn't whining.Explaining why not everyone agrees with your subjective interpretation of God isn't a bad thing or whining
>>544602606Sure, Lavender Mafia and all that. I don't know about 80% though that seems hyperbolic.It would make a lot of sense to let priests become husbands and fathers, what with the patriarchal bend to the religion. You'd think they would change that with Vatican if anything, and before they went full ecumenist.
>>544602908The Demiurge is irrational and schizophrenic.
>>544602995>perfect would only be something that always goes your way...yes? That is, by definition, perfect.
>>544602830That's a lot of presumptions about a god beyond mortal understanding heh.I'm an atheist myself but the way i see it that old testament god is more C'thulhu-like than akin to a good guy on a cloud.Not malicious, just doing his own thing, like a writer writing his book, not really even able to take seriously the suffering of the characters he writes.Worship in that context is simply behaving in such a way that conforms to what will lead to him writing you a"good" ending, by your own moral and personal frame of reference.And that can be done right and wrong too, obviously. Religious worship would just be a collection of best practices, some of which work better than others.And judging by the ones exclusively bemoaning their lot in life being primarily islamic / Palestinian i daresay that maybe their "Best practices" so to speak aren't doing them favors, as they themselves very obviously do not like the outcomes.
>>544603031>If Dad really loved me he wouldn’t demand obedience and allow discomfort in my life. If my life isn’t exactly how I want it to be, then my dad sucks and I have the right to reject his authority. Yeah, sounds wise.
>>544599826it happens i guessalso, not all priests are holy men. without knowing, I assume the latter to be the case.
>>544602995Why do you assume God is perfect and always does the right thing just because some old books written by Jews say so?
>>544603043>Having a meltdown down because someone doesn't believe like you is whiningI'm not having a melt down, I'm just explaining your error in thinking to you. >Explaining why not everyone agrees with your subjective interpretation of God isn't a bad thingNo, it isn't. That's not what I called whining, whining about God not giving you your way all the time is.
>>544603091How very short sighted and spoiled brat coded. Are you female?
>>544599826What if somebody rigged it to fall on him
>>544603127In your analogy the dad would abuse his kids or allow other people abuse them, then wonder why his son doesn’t love him.
>>544603127But no one's saying dads are perfect. If you claimed that, it would be laughably incorrect. Even the best dads get stuff wrong.
>>544603163>ask question>answer own question with false answerI reject your premise. I believe God is perfect because I have never come across an instance of him making a mistake.
>>544603031If they believe in god, then they shouldn't be afraid of who takes the life and instead, they will be afraid of who can take the soul.
>>544601685He also created the everlasting fire, and a kingdom. Which will you inherit?>Matt 25:41, 34
>>544599826Tradcaths in shambles.
>>544603176>I'm just explaining your error in thinking to you.As are they but you call it whining and having a melt down. Seems hypocritical >>544603176>whining about God not giving you your way all the time is.No one is doing that though. That's a strawman you made up
>>544599826
>>544603213No, the son would feel abused for being given boundaries and consequences. Which isn't abuse, it's how you help someone you love and care about to develop good values. >>544603224It's just an analogy, God isn't just a father, he's divine. In my analogy, the father wouldn't be some angry manchild but a strong father that loves his child enough to actually give him guidance and help him develop a solid character.
> something bad happens> it is used as proof that god doesnt existthis is a logical fallacyalso, someone didnt read dostoevsky karamazov brothers
>>544603192Perfection is perfection, anything short is not perfect at all. If God's decisions make humans unhappy, even if it's for a good reason, it's a necessary evil, and thus a flaw.
>>544603203>Good work, 47.
>bad thing happen mean god badYou need to be 18 to post here
>>544603233>I believe God is perfect because I have never come across an instance of him making a mistake.Which just means >God always agrees with me
>>544603203Then God sat back and watched it happened, while sending the assassin
>>544603352>the most important thing in life is pleasureVery hedonistic thing to say. >>544603367No, there's things God did that did take a while for me to understand because I failed to see the wisdom in them at first but if you ponder them deeply enough, it always comes together in the end.
>>544603233What’s the justification for killing many innocent people in natural disasters? Letting people starve to death? Giving children cancer? How does disease do the Lord’s will?>>544603270The Demiurge created a torture prison that I hope we will find a way to escape one day through our reason and imagination.
>>544602744>Christianity is just a Jewish Heresy. You guys need to snap out of this shit.thats what jews saysshalom?
>>544603490>What’s the justification for killing many innocent people in natural disasters? Letting people starve to death? Giving children cancer? How does disease do the Lord’s will?He's writing one hell of an inspiring tragedy.For his fellow gods of other universes.
>>544603476>there's things God did that did take a while for me to understandWhich just men's you couldn't figure out a cope, until you did.
>>544603050One of the criticism eugenics guys always had for Christianity, is that while the top rabbis had huge families and tons of kids, the top christians had no kids at all and lived in celibacy. It was probably a huge eugenic effect on the jews, and that's part of the reason they speak so well. The best speakers reproduced.
>>544603334It's a bad analogy. A being who doesn't claim to be perfect will be judged by different standards than one who does. That's just basic logic.
>>544602020You're the one with free will.Use it and make yourself happy?
>>544603237>Just stop being afraid of death bro. Ignore how your beloved pastor dies in front of you, it was definitely for a good reason because God can never do wrong!
>>544603270Threats are not a valif reason to worship someone, Mbembe
>>544603535You could say that about literally everything, even every single of your arguments. >>544603490What’s the justification for killing many innocent people in natural disasters? Letting people starve to death? Giving children cancer? How does disease do the Lord’s will?It's all opportunities for people to learn to not be attached to worldly things and look up instead.
>>544603476>Very hedonistic thing to say.Heaven is literally a hedonist's wet dream. You already agree it's inherently desirable.
>>544603334What do boundaries and consequences have to do with allowing evil and suffering that affects everyone, even the best most faithful people?
>>544599826Should he have?.. i'm sure it can be rebuild.
>>544603588That is bullshit, as a giant people get out of my way too to avoid being bumped into or stepped on.That is what worship is: Acting in such a way that the relatively pmnipotent gisnt does not step on you.
>>544603337No it’s proof that the Demiurge is either uncaring or evil.
>>544603599>You could say that about literally everythingSure. Which further proves my point. "God" didn't show you shit. You keep searching for a cope until you found one you could attribute to your favorite flavor of "God".
>>544603557Yeah, it's just meant to clarify the mechanics because you assume that giving you your way is always the loving thing to do. If you can't understand why a child might be mad at a parent and hate them for not giving them what they want but the parent is doing that because they love the child and not out of makice because they are more concerned with long term consequences and benefits than short term gratification of their childs wishes and whims, idk what to tell you.
>>544599826God put in a lot of thought and effort to create gravity. Stopping gravity even for a moment will put all our of lives and all of the earth in danger. יהוה did the right thing here.
>>544603558Even the best people who try their hardest to be good and happy still suffer evil from other people.>>544603599Yes, we should look up to our torturer and kiss his feet for hurting us. At last I see God is perfect!
>>544603611It teaches you to endure not immediately and automatically being rescued from discomfort, which helps you train your skill of not giving in to every animalistic urge and instead be able to base your actions on rationality and values instead of urges and desires.
>>544603602Sure, so strive for heavenly hedonism instead of worldly hedonism because one is fleeting, the other is eternal.
>>544603796>It teaches you to endure not immediately and automatically being rescued from discomfortYou tell that to kids who are raped and killed?
>>544603690And you kept searching for a cope as to why God is an asshole just so you don't have to follow his instructions and stop watching porn. What's your point?
>>544603714Nigger. I'm going to repeat this only once. Whether what God does is good or not, is only tangentially related. Discipline is a necessary evil. Punishment doesn't exist in a truly perfect world because there would be no need of such thing. That punishment exists means the world is jot perfect, so we have to resort to it to maximize good.
>>544603784>we should look up to our torturer and kiss his feet for hurting usNo but be grateful he gives you opportunities to learn to detach from worldly things like avoiding suffering and death every day.
>>544603864>And you kept searching for a cope as to why God is an assholeClaiming to be all good and loving while being omnipotent. Yet you do nothing when a child is being raped. Seems like an asshole to me
>>544603796What about all the people that are randomly cursed with mental illness? What important lessons are they learning from their needless suffering starting from the moment of their birth?
>>544603905I’m grateful to the true God for giving me a soul and the ability to learn, understand truth, and create things.I hate the Demiurge for imprisoning and torturing us. No amount of cope or bootlicking will ever make him love you. You’re just a toy for him.
>>544599826LMAO when did it happen?There must be an article about that.
>>544603848Yes. >>544603888Evil exists because without it, free will would be pointless. Free will exist, because without it, doing God's will would be meaningless. God gave us free will so we can chose to do his will because it pleases him. You might not be happy about living in a reality where he creates us so we use our free will to reject evil and seek him instead but you not liking that doesn't change the fact that it is how it is. You can rebel and tantrum or you can accept the way reality works. Your choice. You thinking the fact evil exists means reality is imperfect is because you approach reality from a very human pov. From God's perspective, his creation is perfect because it is set up to work exactly as intended.
>>544604063Then you are terrible person
>>544603825Not the point. The point is that calling me hedonistic is a nonsense insult, because by your own definition hedonism is a good thing.
I'm a former christians (I know Jesus is real but I hate him)This was not a random accident, the crucifix could easily have fallen at a moment when nobody was near it. But it fell right on the priest, and I heard he died, so 100% intentional GOD bringing the priest in for judgement, and probably hell. The priest literally got bonked to death by Jesus himself.God sometimes ends peoples life and they go to heaven, this priest died whilst proclaiming Christ on his lips.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6bCRnsu7c&rco=1
>>544604063>free will would be pointlessYou don't have free will when you believe in a omnipotent being who's will always supercedes yours.
>>544604063>God gave us free will so we can be his slavesNo, The Monad gave us free will because it’s necessary in order to have the power of imagination and ability to create things.The true God wants us to reach our full potential and escape this prison.
>>544599826>g*d is all powerful >g*d knew everything that would happen before he laid the foundations of our reality >a true christian must believe this was part of g*ds divine planabsolutely brutal. yet another logical hurdle for the good goys to fumble around
>>544604063>You can rebel and tantrum or you can accept the way reality works. Your choice.Anon, this is a completely new argument. Whether I'm being childish to complain about it doesn't change the validity of what I'm saying. God's world is not perfect. That is how reality works.
>>544603948To not give demons access to their mind by not engaging with demonic things. >>544603939>Yet you do nothing when a child is being raped. Seems like an asshole to meSee>>544604063>>544604058The demiurge is just satan. There would be no way for you to experience the light without God having created darkness, so yes, be grateful for the darkness he created because it gives you the opportunity to rejoice in the experience of the light. >>544604090Ok. >>544604091It depends on what pleasure you're striving for. Not all pleasure is created equally. For example, there's pleasure that's destructive to yourself (drugs) or others (rape), there's pleasure that's ok under certain circumstances (sleeping with your wife, enjoying a nice meal) but can be destructive if taken out of good context (hook up culture, gluttony). Striving for closeness to God is a pleasure that's non destructive, so in the hierarchy of hedonism, it's at the very top.
>>544599826I watched it for 5 minutes waiting for it to fall. Good one OP, (you) got me.
>>544604236>God's world is not perfectYou'll have clown who come along and say it's because Satan has domain over the world. OK? Who created Satan and gave it to him? Lol
>>544603588Not a threat if you choose wisely.
>>544599826Jesus the carpenter would have had that ledge level and you know it
>>544599826god is not in some building , he is everywhere yet nowhere at once.
>>544604123Those aren't mutually exclusive just how a game dev can be fully in charge of every line of code in his game and use that authority to include a fully out of hos control randomized element. Ofc he could go back in and take that randomized element out but that would alter the fully intended game mechanics which include the randomized and thus non predictable element and thus go against his plan for the game.
>>544604270>see?The difference between your God and me is that I would stop a child being raped if I saw it happening. Your God sits and watches the rape happen.How do you feel about circumcision of a healthy baby boy?
>>544604228Yes, he wants us to achieve that by using our free will to chose what will give us eternal union with him.
Christ would have had that crucifix plumb to God and there's nothing you can do about it.This is why you've got to oay your trades. A tenth of your life, it's worth it.
>>544604236The mistake you're making is to claim that perfect would mean no suffering. You fail to see how suffering is an integral element of why this reality is perfect. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
>>544604357>Those aren't mutually exclusiveYea they are lol. The only thing your god offers is an ultimatum. Bend the knee or perish
>>544604387Yeah you should choose to use a fucking water level on 2 axis so shit doesnt fall off
>>544599826Is the priest God? NoGod disappeared to give us free will and agency but this poor fuck decided to use that gift to stand under a heavy object literally overhanging a ledge above his head. Or another person moved it to kill him intentionally. In any case he'll do better in the next cycle
>>544604270>To not give demons access to their mind by not engaging with demonic things.????? People with mental illness aren’t being tortured by demons? Schizos literally see and hear them.>The demiurge is just satanWrong, it is the Jewish God of the Old Testament who Christians still worship for some strange reason.We could have free will and good in our world without things like mental illness and natural disasters, but God chooses to allow it out of laziness or spite.Even the best and most loyal servants for your God still randomly get fucked by him.
I started beef with /x/. I know it was them.They're always up to something. They’ve been putting paganism threads on here for a number of weeks now.>>>/x/43102033
>>544604387>he wants us to achieve that by using our free will to chose what will give us eternal union with himThat's nice. And if I choose not to bend the knee?
>>544602482lol
>>544604372Which is why he is God and you aren't. You're thinking on too small of a scale. And yes, as a human, if you can stop a child being raped, you absolutely should do that. But if God took away the option for a child to be raped in this world, he would start to infringe on the free will he gave us, and he's extremely serious about giving us full free will because he wants us to have to overcome our weak animal nature and chose to use our free will for creation, not destruction. But for that he has to give us the freedom to use it for destruction because we can only use it to create to the same extend as we are free to use it to destroy. >How do you feel about circumcision of a healthy baby boy?Evil and destructive. Anyone that does this uses their free will to destroy part of God's creation and cause unnecessary pain and suffering in this world, which is the work of the devil, which removes him further from God.
>>544604440>You fail to see how suffering is an integral element of why this reality is perfect.You're right. I do fail to see it. This is complete and utter nonsense. But we've been running in circles for a while now, so I'm leaving it at that.
>>544604631>if you can stop a child being raped, you absolutely should do thatWhy can't God? Why would God send thr rapist to begin with?>>544604631>>How do you feel about circumcision of a healthy baby boy?>Evil and destructiveSo you admit your God is evil and destructive when he commanded it.Lol,.lmao
>>544604480He only wants those in eternal union with him that can walk the narrow path, yes. Can't really blame him. >>544604461Yes, he offers the ultimatum, use your free will to chose him or satan. What you will choose is the randomized element he doesn't tamper with becathe wants you to figure out which option is which and have enough control over yourself to make the right choice despite temptation all on yoir own. That's how he trains your soul and sanctifies you to become worthy of eternal life and divine union.
>>544604387I believe in creating our own realities, not giving up our sentience to merge with The Monad. He wants us to use our powers of reason and imagination to their full potential. He wants us to stand alongside him as fellow creators, not to just retire in Heaven as a reward for being a good pet.
>>544604631They should have chosen to pay a good carpenter.Christ was craning bedridden niggers out of celings in anno domini
>>544604631>But if God took away the option for a child to be raped in this world, he would start to infringe on the free will he gave usYet he sent himself to sacrifice himself to himself. You're contradicting yourself
>>544604731>use your free will to chose him or satanI chose neither
>>544604440Your life must be going swell. Good for you.
>>544604572>People with mental illness aren’t being tortured by demons? Yes they are. All mental illness is demonic influence and possession in the more severe cases. >Schizos literally see and hear themExactly. >Even the best and most loyal servants for your God still randomly get fucked by him.Very small minded thing to claim, assuming suffering is a bad thing when it's God giving you an opportunity to rise above yourself.
all this christcuck gibberish cope you sound like new age women
>>544599826>They therefore as to right belong’d,>So were created, nor can justly accuse>Their maker, or their making, or their Fate;>As if predestination over-rul’d>Their will, dispos’d by absolute Decree>Or high foreknowledge.>--John Milton
>>544599826BasedCivilization Will Not Attain To Its Perfection, Until the Last Stone from the Last Church Falls on the Last Priest
>>544604813>assuming suffering is a bad thing when it's God giving you an opportunity to rise above yourself.>hey kiddo, it's a shame you were raped but this is an opportunity to rise above yourself
>>544604585Then you use your free will to chose satan. Which you're free too do, but freedom of choice doesn't mean freedom of consequence and if you chose to serve satan, you become his minion, which means you'll go where he goes ok judgement day, which is eternal suffering by being parted from God with no way back. The same fate satan and his demons already suffer. They can't redeem themselves because they have omniscience and thus their decision to use their free will to not do God's will is irrevocable. The same fate awaits you if you continuously chose to not do God's will but God knows you're not omniscient, so he keeps giving you opportunities to redeem yourself until your very last breath.
>>544604813They should stop worrying abiut being possessed and start worrying abiut whats in their possesion, namely whether or not they have a water level on hand. They're not even big, like 20cm.
>>544604813But you said God gives people mental illness>To not give demons access to their mind by not engaging with demonic things.So which is it? Mental illness protects people from demons or it’s demons torturing people?Either way, it’s God’s fault for allowing demons to exist.
>>544604936>hen you use your free will to chose satan.See>>544604786>I chose neither
Christ was a carpetenter.Pay a carpetenter well, a tenth of your life is worth it.Otherwise you'll face eternal damnation. Getting your neck cracked again and again. Roasted in the presence of demons.Fear the wrath of God. Get your fucking wallet out now
If God cares about free will so much, you'd think he'd show respect to the victims, not the assailants. No child wants to be raped, but I guess the erosion of their free will matters less than the erosion of the rapist's free will.
>>544604663Alright, take care and God bless you anon. >>544604700>Why can't God?He can. He doesn't because he doesn't play about the free will he gave us. >Why would God send thr rapist to begin with?He doesn't. The rapist chose to rape out of his free will, he choses destruction and serving satan. God doesn't tamper with what humans do with their free will. But the rapist had the freedom to use his free will to not rape and instead help protect someone from being raped instead. That is the lesson the rapist would have to learn here to save his soul. >So you admit your God is evil and destructive when he commanded it.No, circumcision made sense when he commanded it and up until Jesus made it obsolete. After Jesus made it obseles is when it became demonic and evil to still do it despite it not being necessary anymore. God hates performative bullshit he did not ask for, which ia why he struck two of Abraham's sons dead in front of thw altar when they sacrificed an animal he did not ask for. If you give God something that's sacrificial he did not explicitly demand, you're acting destructive out of your own sense of pride and wanting to go above and beyond to redeem yourself. He doesn't like that kind of behavior at all and is why he despises all circumcision that happened after Jesus died on the cross, which dissolved the old covenant and established a new one that did not ask for it anymore.
>>544604734Yeah, that's your pride talking. That's very dangerous, it's how satan fell. Careful anon. >>544604752Yes, he became fully human so he could experience enduring the pain of the flesh himself to sacrifice this pain endured as an offering in exchange for the pain the sinners have inflicted on his creation. Imagine it like that, God is just, he punishes causing pain to his creation with enduring the same amount of pain. But he knows that the average person causes so much pain to his creation that he's have to throw us all into hell forever, which is why he gave his own body to endure some of the pain for those that genuinely repent because they realize the mistake they have made and stop causing pain to his creation and instead tey to bring healing and joy and beauty to this world. It's his gift for us because he's merciful if he sees someone genuinely wanting to stop using their free will to serve satan.
>>544605177>circumcision made sense when he commanded it and up until Jesus made it obsoleteHow did it ever make sense? Why does God change his mind just because Jesus tells him to if God is never wrong?
>>544602482Something about the painted wall looks somewhat like a troll face if you squint a bit
>>544604786You can try but reality doesn't really care wether you engage with it or not, it marches on regardless and you'll simply be presented with your choices in the end. And God made it very clear that if you are not for him, you are against him. >>544604802My life is going exactly how it needs to go for me to learn the next lesson my soul needs to learn.
>>544599826But it's not falling.I've looked at the pic for minutes and the crux doesn't move at all.
>>544605410We should be proud of the divine powers we were gifted with. We should use them to create new realities and find true peace, freedom, and happiness.
>>544605177>which is why he struck two of Abraham's sons dead in front of the altar when they sacrificed an animal he did not ask for.That doesn't sound like a loving heavenly father who won't interfere in a humans free will...Imagine if he did this instead to the rapist before he raped a child with the same anger he used to infringe on the free will gift of two men that tried to honor him freely?
>>544600060>T. Jobs friend
>>544599826the main problem with christianity is that you can do literally anything you fucking want and still go to heaven. rape, murder, lie, adulterate, even "mortal" sins are completely forgivable as long as you repent in your lifetime.now some christcuck will chime in saying "no it doesn't work like that"it literally does. the death of jesus christ paid the penalty for all human sin - past, present, and future. God’s forgiveness is accessible to anyone who genuinely confesses, repents, and places their trust in Jesus. As written in 1 John 1:9: "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"
as deaths go, 8/10
>>544605177>He doesn't because he doesn't play about the free will he gave us.Yet here comes Jesus to do the exact opposite Or all the stories in the OT where God does exactly that>>544605177>>Why would God send thr rapist to begin with?>He doesn'tHe did. He created the rapist knowing he would rape and didn't stop it.>>544605177>>So you admit your God is evil and destructive when he commanded it.>No, circumcision made sense when he commanded itSo your morality is subjective then. Like your God. >>544605410>he became fully human so he could experience enduring the pain of the fleshThat doesn't make sense. He's omniscient, he already knows.
>>544604871Correct. >>544604954You should consider an exorcism. >>544604974What? Mental illness is demonic possession or at least demonic influence. Demons can't have any power over you without you giving them access to you and you give them access to you by engaging eith demonic things, like doing drugs, watching porn, listening to demonic music, engaging in witchcraft, being deceitful, sinning, etc. God lets demons inflict themselves upon you because you have to learn to keep them out of you yourself. You can always ask God for help, you can cast out all demons in his name but if you keep sinning, they will keep gaining access to you. They are like viruses that are spread via contact with contaminated things. You can't become healthy if you keep wallowing in filth.
>>544599826Because this world is hell
>>544605584Most Christians aren't going to kill their neighbor.But if a Muzzie moves in....You're concerned about the wrong things, brown boy. But nobody considers you a part of them, either way.Stand with the Muzzies.
>>544605472>and you'll simply be presented with your choices in the end.You mean an ultimatum. I chose to ignore it and go my own way.
>>544605112There's two lessons to be learned for the rapist and the raped. The rapist has to learn the lesson of not using his free will for evil, the raped has to learn the lesson of not letting the fact that humans use their free will for evil break his spirit and drag them down to their level.
>>544605647I can't tell you're not a father. Just a shit bad making excuses fir a megalomaniac you call God
>>544605584It doesn’t take faith to see that no one can follow secular rules anyway. So is your point more about immediate scope or what? Most people demand things accommodate their needs regardless of their personal beliefs and I think that’s sort of what Kant was getting at when talking about trying to assess reality from within it, which is why Job addresses the scope error.
>>544599826Why did God drop the crucifix on the priest?
>>544602902>this isn’t a good memeYou need to lurk for two years before posting here, boomer.
>>544605584This is why Gnosticism makes more sense. The goal is to free yourself not to kiss the Demiurge’s ass to maybe get a happy retirement.
>>544599826Thor?? No. Stop! Nooooooo!!
>>544605605the world isnt here to entertain you
>>544605706>the raped has to learn the lesson of not letting the fact that humans use their free will for evil break his spirit and drag them down to their level.Then dipshits like you come along and forgive the rapist and invite them to paradise. That's what you mean
>>544605785To help him get to the other side.
>>544605686low IQ response nigger i'm a white dude in ohio descended from hillbillies in west virginia. almost my entire family is white christians.christians commit murder in the name of god quite often. and when you consider the rampant pederasty that goes on in the church, all of those pedophile boy raping priests probably know in the back of their mind they'll be forgiven for their sins by jesus and still end up in heaven.
>>544605647Still doesn’t explain why God allows purely evil things like demons to exist in the first place. Do demons have free will too? Why does their free will supersede oursAlso doesn’t explain why children are randomly born with mental illness, cancer, or other horrible disabilities/diseases. How do babies choose to allow demons inside them?
>>544605428>How did it ever make sense? It was him asking the tribe he blessed despite them being rather ungodly still (but still the most godly in comparison to all other tribes, which isn't a very good testimony to all the other tribes...) to give up worldly attachements like sexual pleasure and avoiding physical pain in order to prove themselves worthy of a blessing their other behavior didn't necessarily made them worthy of. >Why does God change his mind just because Jesus tells him to if God is never wrong?Jesus didn't tell God to change his mind. They are one and the same. Jesus simply informed humans that the conditions have changed. That was God's plan all along, he did not change his mind, he simply adapted the rules to what level of faithfulness those following him were already capable of. The OT followers of God were sitll regularly falling into very demonic bullshit, so he made them snip off the tip of their penis to at least have to give up something that's no fun to give up bevause they lacked the character strength to use self reateaint to deny themselves. Once the faith was given over to the whole world from the tribe that first cultivated it, he changed the conditions because humanity has become ready to use their mind to circumcise their urges via self control. Which is why he chose the roman empire, which was already rather highly developed to spread the faith in all corners of the world.
>>544605706>The rapist has to learn the lesson of not using his free will for evilLMAO he’s just going to keep raping as long as he can get away with it until he’s caught/killed.
>>544605965They gave their faith to the world, they should have given their money to a quality carpenter
>>544605571He does. You just don't hear about it because people don't associate it with God's wrath anymore. He can strike anyone down dead right this instance if he wishes to and he often does. That's why you should always try to have a clear conscience, you never know when he'll reach a point where he feels like you've had enough chances to prove your character. >>544605512Yes, you should use your free will to being joy to God but you don't have to pretend to be a God yourself to do that. You can just go help your mom in the garden and make beautiful art to glorify him instead.
>>544602482what a lovely god we have
>>544605965Why does God even want or need worship and sacrifice from his creations? To feed his own pride and ego?
>>544606089>free will has conditions Lol, lmaoThis idiot has zero logical arguments for any of his nonsense
>>544599826We will never know and that’s ok.
>>544599826>torture device is torturingi don't see the problem
>>544606134Right? Why would a supposed self-sustaining and omnipotent being need for praise and adoration?
>>544605619>He created the rapist knowing he would rape and didn't stop it.He created this person with free will. That person then used their free will to become a rapist, which is their own failure. I already explained why God gave us free will, I don't feel like repeating it. >Yet here comes Jesus to do the exact oppositewhere? >So your morality is subjective then. Like your God.In a way, yes but not actually. It might seem subjective to the limited human capacity to understand but it's not subjective from God's POV because he knows exactly what's appropriate in what situation. >That doesn't make sense. He's omniscient, he already knows.Knowing and feeling isn't the same thing. You can know that breaking your arm hurts a lot but that's not the same as actually breaking your arm and experiencing the pain in your body.
>>544606089I prefer to glorify humanity and the things we imagine and create over the tyrannical Demiurge you worship.A true God doesn’t want or need to be worshipped. It shouldn’t be selfish and egotistical.
>>544603562That's partially the point, you gave the fear of death in exchange for the fear of god's judgement.
>>544605692Yes, an ultimatum. You can ignore it but that won't protect you from the consequences just how ignoring your bills won't just make them go away.
>>544606188The crucifix was always falling. Christ, as the carpenter, redeems the crucifix and prevents the downfall. The most intricate part of the bible is a set of carpentry instructions.
>>544606255>He created this person with free will.And being omniscient he knee how the rapist would use his "free will" and not only let him but never stopped it. >>544606255>>Yet here comes Jesus to do the exact opposite>where?Where what? >>544606255>>So your morality is subjective then. Like your God.>In a way, yes but not actuallyIt actually is. Because God could change his mind anytime. Like he did with circumcision >>544606255>Knowing and feeling isn't the same thing.It is when you're supposedly omniscient
>>544606298>Yes, an ultimatumWhich isn't free will. The exact opposite >but that won't protect you from the consequences jSuch as?
>>544605891Only if he genuinely repents and sins no more, yes. Which means he learned his lesson. He's granted the same mercy as everyone else but nobody is forgiven if they don't ask for forgiveness, which means they have to first acknowledge what they did, come to terms with the fact what they did was demonic, have the courage to trust in God's mercy to forgive someone that cause so much destruction, have the balls to stand before God, state what they did, state what they learned from it and ask to be given a chance to redeem themselves. Forgiveness isn't the "oooh oopsie my bad" deal protestants love to make it out to be. It requires God seeing actual and full character development.
>>544602482
>>544606296Who says God even cares about us enough to judge us? Why do you think you’re special enough to catch his attention and that you’re guaranteed a seat in Heaven? More likely we just keep reincarnating in this prison endlessly.
>>544599826That bloke truly offended the baby Jesus.
>>544606444>Only if he genuinely repents and sins no moreFuck off with your suicidal empathy
>>544606089So why doesn't he strike the rapist?
>>544606444Some crimes should be unforgivable no matter how sorry you are. Especially if you hurt children. Forgiving rapists isn’t justice.
>>544606393>he kneeKnew*
>>544601151The reward is eternal life with God after our flesh dies on Earth. The reward is NOT here on Earth. The Bible is very clear on that, and that Christians are not of this world, and that we will suffer just as Christ suffered.>>544601852This is false. You are not Christian so you do not understand which is why you are using this fallacious straw man argument. Christians recognize that this is not our world. We are here for only a small moment in time compared to the eternity we will spend in a perfect, blissful place with God after our flesh dies on Earth. We all die at some point. But only Christians have eternal life in paradise. This man's congregation should understand that. If they don't, then that is his fault for not properly teaching them.>>544602497Again you misunderstand. Christians do not die. We have eternal life. Our flesh "dies" but we live forever. We live in a fallen world currently. That is why there is evil and why we suffer. If you don't believe, that is your choice. But creating a straw man argument to attack Christians makes you look like a blithering idiot.
>>544605962>still doesn’t explain why God allows purely evil things like demons to exist in the first place. Because if no evil existed, humans could only chose good, which would make giving us free will pointless. Free will as a means to build character only works if there's a "wrong" option to chose. >Do demons have free will too? They do, yes. >Why does their free will supersede oursBecause unlike us, they are omniscient, similar to God but they lack the omnipotence he has. And because they are omniscient, their choices are made for all eternity because they made them knowing everything there is to know. So once they decided to go against God's will, that's that, they can't take it back and they are demons forever. >Also doesn’t explain why children are randomly born with mental illness, cancer, or other horrible disabilities/diseases. Not all struggles are automatically due to the choices we made. Sometimes they are due to the choices our parents made or due to no one's fault. The point of struggles like this is not punishment, it's training ground to train your capacity to not despair over circumstances. Nothing that happens in this world is divine punishment, it's all just learning opportunities. The punishment comes on jusgement day. >How do babies choose to allow demons inside them?Mental illness is never inborn. Being neurodivergent isn't mental illness. It's also not genetic, there's just a big correlation if your parents are demonically inflicted, your chances are much larger that the same demons will start to inflict you too because you'll be raised in an environment where conditions are good for them to thrive and have power.
>>544606669>Christians do not die. We have eternal lifeThis is the same narcissistic make believe a troon uses to say men can get pregnant
>>544606031Yes, some of them will. Those are the ones that will get what they deserve on judgement day. >>544606134Possible. I imagine it must get extremely lonely and boring being the only thing that exists.
>>544606703>Free will as a means to build character only works if there's a "wrong" option to chose.Wrong by who's definition?
>>544599826Same reason he didnt stop the priest from gaping your bussy faggot. Im so fucking tired of reddit atheism threads. Go back dude. Or kill yourself. Or both.
>>544602902cope harder, christcuck. cannot face the flaw on your self-delusion, many such cases
>>544606153No, but just how free speech doesn't mean free feom consequences of what happens after the words leave your mouth, free will doesn't mean free of consequences based on what you chose to do with your free will. If you chose to use your free will to call yourself God, you'll have to accept the consequences of that when the time comes. But ofc you're free to do it.
>>544606258>A true God doesn’t want or need to be worshippedSays who? You? With what authority?
>>544606758>Yes, some of them willWhy doesn't your god stop them like he did in Sodom and Gomorrah?
>>544606703Maybe I could buy humans being allowed to be evil because of free will, but allowing demons who always choose evil to torture us and natural forces like disease and mental illness that only cause suffering to exist is completely unnecessary.
>>544599826>Why didn’t God stop the crucifix from falling?Why whóuld He? You think death means anything to anyone but overcivilised humans? Animals don't fear death, neither do savages or religious people.
>>544606843>free speech doesn't mean free feom consequences Well gee buddy, if speech and will are BOUND by consequences then they aren't truly free, now are they?
>>544606703>Mental illness is never inborn. Being neurodivergent isn't mental illness. It's also not genetic, there's just a big correlation if your parents are demonically inflicted, your chances are much larger that the same demons will start to inflict you too because you'll be raised in an environment where conditions are good for them to thrive and have power.You could of just referenced John 9:2 instead of "his parents sinned and had demons into them"You also didn't answer my initial question here >>544606634
He read the wrong version of bible and god hates him for it so now he's going to the lake of fire o algo
>>544606669I’d rather put my faith in humanity than in Jewish propaganda telling you that evil and suffering are actually good things and 100% necessary. Neither this world or its creator are perfect.We don’t go to Heaven or Hell, we just keep reincarnating until we figure out a way to escape this prison.
>>544606464>Who says God even cares about us enough to judge us?Jesus, those are his words
>>544606442Free will doesn't mean free from consequences. He tells you exactly what the consequences are for which choices but you're free to chose whichever one you like. >>544606393>he knee how the rapist would use his "free will" and not only let him but never stopped itNo, I already explained how unpredictable free will and omniscience aren't mutually exclusive here >>544604357>>544606393>Because God could change his mind anytime. Like he did with circumcisionHe didn't change his mind. You also didn't "change your mind" about liking cake when grandma asked you if you want some cake and you said yes and then after three pieces you said no. The conditions changed (you were full), so not the action changes (no more cake). It would be him changing his mind if the conditions didn't change but they did. >It is when you're supposedly omniscientIf you say so.
>>544606703>Sometimes they are due to the choices our parents made or due to no one's faultSo the sins of the father should be passed down to their sons just because God says so? Mental illness and disease only cause suffering they don’t build character they make people weak, depressed, and turn them away from your God for allowing it to happen.
>>544602482lmao your god fucking hates you or he abondoned you and went to another galaxy to start a new pet project because that abrahamic nigger clearly doesn't care anymore.
>>544606494None of those repented, the brought sin with them. That IS suicidal and against God's will. He clearly said to not dwell among ainners and flee sinn.
>>544599826God was so pissed that I wank off sometimes and covet my neighbors donkey that He had to come to earth in human form 2000 years ago and get crucified by Romans to be able to forgive me, otherwise He would've sent me to hell to be tortured forever in the afterlife.
>>544606758>I imagine it must get extremely lonely and boring being the only thing that exists.Having only slaves or pets must be boring too. Shouldn’t God want an equal who can stand beside him, someone else who can truly understand him and share the joy of creation with him?
>>544607137>Free will doesn't mean free from consequences.And what is bound isn't truly free. This goes double for you. Not only is your will confined to the will of your God but that same God designed every consequence to every choice you make. You have an illusion of free will.
>>544606634Only he knows. Probably to give him another change to repent because God loves every soul and hopes they will turn to him and repent because every soul lost to eternity in hell hurts him immensely. >>544606637In our human understanding, yes. But then where would be the line? That would lead back to no sin being forgivable, which would condemn us all to hell. God chose to make every sin forgivable and so that's how it is. You can be mad about it but it won't change things.
