The concept of free healthcare being a bad thingYall americans cannot be THIS stupid bro
>>544601767>freeYou dumb shit eater.
>>544601767inb4 what he ACTUALLY meant was
we were stupid enough to help russia instead of germany in ww2 so there you go
>>544601767We’re already $40 trillion in debt. How much more would free healthcare for everyone add to it?
>>544601934>>544601857Based retard
>>544601767No, he's right. Universal healthcare in a nation of fat fucking nigger loving niggers is an unethical pursuit.
>>544601767
>>544601767No such thing as free.
>>544601767>government provides healthcare >raises taxes on net contributors to provide for net takers>hospitals and pcp's become inundated with poors more than they are, lengthening the wait time for careWe already have this, by the way, but making it legislation will increase this bullshit ten fold.
>>544601976>Just add trillions more to the debt goy! You want all the obese blacks to get free healthcare, don’t you?
>>544602016What are you talking about? The rich get free money all day long.
>>544601767He's already forcing us into a communist system by siding with Russia and this faggot used UBI as one of his campaign draws. Trump IS a pinko.
Hahahahah
why does the gov need another giant money pit in a time of crisis like social security right before a big war
Americans will say free healthcare is gommunism, but tell you it's BQSED when their congressgolem gets it despite them having a 6 million figure salary
>>544601767>Yall americans cannot be THIS stupid broI've had majority free healthcare all my life, never needed it, yet I still pay no taxes for it. Just got to game the system & American's do it in other ways.Opening up a restaurant, not having to pay your staff & relies on the customers to pay the staff is brilliant. Europe/Australia/New Zealand you have to pay staff massive standard of living wages.Literally destroys all profits. American have freedom of speech & a 2nd amendment.I wish I could gain citizenship there. But I'm white & have failed 15yrs in row. I over stayed my Visa back in the day. I won the lotto bought a house, started a new business.All came crashing down.... Now im bitter & a little pissed off. But America is still the dream.
>>544601857"Free" means you don't pay for it at the point of sale, not that it falls out of the sky. It means no more lifetime debt for lifesaving treatments because the rich are paying their fair share.
>>544601767Look at the horrible state of german, french, italian or fucking spanish "healthcare" and the absolute disaster it creates. You either pay out of pocket in cash or your don't get any appointment/treatment in under 6 months.
>>544602422That sounds feasible and better than dying
>>544602422They are way better than the American system.
>>544601767communism is a lie.free healthcare means no healthcare.endless wait timesdoctor assisted suicide.substandard careand it only gets worse, never better.
>>544602418>lifesaving treatmentsYou don't get any treatment at all lying polackenlümmel.>>544602461They pay over 800€ per person for their "free healthcare" if germanistanis that covers absolutely nothing. Need a MRE that be 800€ cash or wait 6-24 months, diagnosed with cancer? Oh that be 30k cash or your can see a cancerologist in 60 months, good luck bro.
>>544601767Yes, yes they are this fucking stupid
>>544602422US already spends more on healthcare than those countries.
>>544601767The more government healthcare you have, the more French you become.
>>544601857>Be murrican >Pay taxes>Receive nothing in return
>>544601767Canada has free health care. When people go to the doctor to get help they recommend MAID (assisted suicide). Imagine going to your doctor and having him say, "Have you considered killing yourself? It's free!"
>>544602563Soft hands, softer minds over there in Switzerland eh?
>>544601857It obviously shouldn't be part of for-profit industry, you subnigger fag-enabler.
>>544601767Americans cant have nice things because of niggers
>>544601767Americans when offered the prospect of their tax money going to bettering their lives and health:>NUH UH DATS COMMUNISM! I CAN STAND ON MY OWN TWO FEETAmericans when trillions of their taxpayer money is spent fighting pointless wars in the middle east that they inevitably lose>GOD BLESS AMERICAIt’s insane how susceptible you guys are to the most basic levels of propaganda
>>544601767Free healthcare is a bad thing.Only the dumbest niggers benefit from it. Unemployed, anti-social, niggers get their lives expanded.The standard of doctors falls and innovation comes to a halt.The healthcare party gains a permanent issue: "if healthcare is cut off you will die"One of the worst government policies ive ever seen.
>>544601857>Pay taxes for healthcare>Still pay healthcare at a premiumWhy are mutts subhuman. No question, just facts.
>>544603987So that he's not in a waiting list and exposed to diseased niggers
>>544603982>>544604124>dumb, racist Aussie drongo with 60 IQ Many such cases
>>544601767>YallBrown
As evidenced by the response America is in full slave mode.
>>544601767Europe must be doing great then!(They're not)
>>544601767Well i'd say the problem with healthcare isnt free or not free that's a false dichotomy, the problem is private equity. That's the cancer killing hospitals. A hospital by definition is ran by people that aren't necessarily 100% for profit so it sits in this weird middle of it needs money to operate and for its doctors to pull of their necessary workload which is a lot but if you push the envelope too much towards profit you just get the America situation of understaffed underpaid doctors stretched too thin which is ironically the same issue public hospitals are facing in Europe, its just another man collecting (see: stealing the profits) because instead of private equity its corrupt politicians and their lackeys. I guess in the opposite direction its also true there, especially with federal grants.
>>544601767Hey idiot its not free its just subsidizing corruption in the healthcare industry. Its just forcing people to pay weather they need it or not where as in the current system if you have the debt you can just get it waived. If it was a fed program itll be like student aid where it can never be forgiven.
>>544602537>free healthcare means no healthcare.~20% of the US (those 65 or older) already have "free healthcare."
>>544601934Just tax the rich you wannabe slave
>>544601767Time for your 1000th covid booster or no buy and sell for you. You can't trust whitey. If you give the white devil a single point of leverage, he will put his monkey paws all over it and fuck everyone up.
>>544601934and what was donald’s proportion of the debt again?
>>544605430forgot pic
>>544601767Yes they can...they voted Trump as president...twice.
>>544601767>Yall americans cannot be THIS stupid broactually they can
>I want insurance, doctors, hospitals and big pharma companies to overcharge me 5X times, it's what the Founding Fathers wanted!Americans are the blackest, dumbest gorilla niggers on the planet Earth. Holy fuck.
>>544601767I pay 44% of my income in tax. I get the full service package of social security in return. I will never be homeless. I will never have to worry about not getting food I will never have to worry that I can't afford an important medical procedure or be in debt for the rest of my life.Honest question: How much do Americans pay in taxes and what do you get in return?
>>544601767It's never free.And it's not optional, which is the problem.Modern societ is built upon forcefully taking money for you - for general insurance, for pension, for healthcare.Fuck you, how about I keep that money and use it for myself?
>>544605305we're cannibalizing our economy to pay for that 'free healthcare'Eventually, if we continue on this path, there will be nothing left to steal to pay for healthcare.
>>544604339New Zealand is full of no money bitches who are all hat no horse. Your army has like 10,000 people. You dont even have a single tank
>>544605725We get greater Israel:(
>>544605735Can you negotiate prices with companies at the same level as the government, which is the payer, or do you have to pay whatever they say? Pretty sure people have no say, unlike a collective force of national regulation and standardisation in public healthcare systems.
>>544601767>free healthcareIf we can have free healthcare, we can also have free Gas, free steak, free clothes, free hamburgers, free landscaping, free pepsi/coke, free landscaping, free bread, free house painting services, free automobiles, free chicago-style pizzas...
>>544601857it doesn't even matter at this point the US government wouldn't be able to manage it properly anyway. No one has healthcare whether it's "free" or not. America is just a sad retarded shithole and we are definitely not #1
>>544606078Well you have a free military and a free government already, so why not
>>544601767Shitskin hordes and welfare queens already get free healthcare here, it's subsidized by government grants and the premiums of the actually insured. Everyone knows these people will never pay any of their debts off, all of this is insufferably retarded and unfair as it is.
>>544602563That's not how it works you mountain jew. If you have a actual issue you get front of the line care, if you have smaller issues you work with your doctor to figure it out and then get the treatment. But the biggest issue is that 90% of the things that turn sour within the Healthcare system are the individuals themselves, they eat like shit, don't see their family doctor or never bothered to seek out one, they aren't proactive, they're reactive.
>>544606161don't try to logic with white people. it's impossible. they WANT to be slaves
my wife scheduled an MRI back in the summer and the wait time was 5 months (she got it bumped up 2 months because it was a mobile MRI outfit in a truck and she was able to meet them one town over). our 7 month old hasnt seen our "family" doctor in 3 months because she is fully booked up into november. earlier in the year we were told it would be a 9 hour wait at the emergency area of the hospital. danielle smith introduced a hybrid public/private system to help alleviate wait times and the media + leftists demonized her for it. the healthcare system here is non-functional and dont let commie niggerfaggot retards convince you otherwise
>>544601976You already do, retard.
>>544605725I pay 12% and I get to bomb the middle east infinite times. Other than that I'm pretty fucked.
>>544601767this tard cant even stop cia waging a war against russia, all he wants is retain access to the treasury to loot, he is nobody
>>544606078>Surgery is the same thing as McDonald's actually Kek.
>>544605808>we're cannibalizing our economy~20% of our GDP is healthcare spending.
>>544602563If you put the cost over the living, the cost of living kills you
>>544605828NZ'ers relieved you didnt mention their navy.
>>544605808Single payer healthcare would actually cost a trillion dollars less than what we're paying now
>>544605494You clearly forgot the six bajillion
>>544601767MuriKa has been communist sine the 1930's.Vote Harder cucks.
>>544606413Listen here, tranny, you can either take care fo americans or take care of Israel. Which is it gonna be?
>>544602202>You want people to LIVE AND BE HEALTHY?! WE MIGHT HAVE A PRODUCTIVE SOCIETY THAT WAY GOY>WHAT IF THE IMAGINARY NUMBER GOES UP!!!
>>54460631812% Is this income tax? Do you have to pay extra for medical insurance? Pension (included for me)?
>>544601767miggers are the most braindrained people in the world
>>544606413Unfortunately most Americans are too stupid to understand what economies of scale means and why having a universal, taxpayer funded healthcare system would cost less, not moreYale did a study in the past year that showed it would save $1tn annually and save 114k lives per year to switch to a universal system. But people's. brains are so rotted with propaganda, they refuse something that would benefit them enormously and that every other developed country already has. Even most developing countries have universal healthcare. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/universal-health-coverage-could-save-one-trillion-dollars-and-114000-lives-every-year/
>>544606465Israel : ( Please not the hose again
>>544601857Free for the person using the service at the time. The same way firefighters are free. If I have a fire, I call them, and it's free. I don't have to pay for them to put out the fire. This is so obvious that most people don't bother explaining it. But for some reason, some people feel the need to point out every single time that >UHM ACKSHUALLY TECHNICALLY IT ISN'T FREEWe know.We knew this whole time.You're not smart for pointing it out.
>>544606516>insurance? PensionHah! I can't afford that shit, and you know it.I told you I'm pretty fucked
>>544602422Dude I have friends in the US. One of them was really sick recently and didn't go to the hospital because she has no money for it. This does not happen here. If I am sick, I go to a doctor and I get the help I need. I had to bite my tounge not to say how stupid this is to her in that situation. She used chatgpt to treat herself. It's sad to watch for a first world country.
>>544606413I'm dramatically more concerned with the flood of shitskin jeet "doctors" than what additional magic number is attached to the current magic debt number anyway.
>>544601981i almost died in the emergency room waiting and vomiting for hours and hours. the whole time, an endless parade of nonwhites was coming in for minor ailments, doing all the paperwork with the desk nurse, and then leaving after 45 minutes all pissy that they didn't get their instant doctor's appointment the jews back home promised them canada would provide.when i finally passed out and woke up in an emerg bed, one of the first things the midnight black doctor said to me was that it was my fault for not coming in sooner (i came in the instant it was clear this wasn't a short bout of vomiting and I was at risk of dehydrating, coming in any earlier would mean going to the emergency room for vomiting every time i vomit more than once. clogging up the emerg further.i pay for this constantly and i pay into it far more than the horde of brownoids who use it as a "i want a doctor but making an appointment is too complex for my sandnigger brain" service
>>544602577Nice memeflag
>>544601767We are not stupid, we are evil. We hate each other and hate to see anyone get an advantage we don't have.
>>544606526Or worse, they know full well how much they could benefit but will refuse because people they don’t like could benefit too
>>544606413It will be cheaper because they will implement price controls and rationing.The government doesn't want to take care of you, they want you to die. That way you won't cost them any more money.
>>544604339>LE HECKIN RACISTERINOStupid leftist faggot. How does it feel to be a brainwashed npc retard who does everything the elites want?
>>544606685I don't understand why people hate each other so much. Like who gives a shit if some migrant family gets healthcare over this. They already get healthcare through expensive emergency room visits which are billed to the taxpayer. This saves money, because they no longer need to rack up $20k bills in the ER just for basic treatment. They cost the taxpayer less if they're getting problems fixed at the doctor, rather than when it gets bad enough to go to the ER. It's hatred blinding people from being rational.
>>544606479>what do you mean we have million upon millions of illegal aliens in our country on welfare>if will cost us so much to deport them>the magic number will go down
In canada we pay godly amount to wait 40+ hours in a hospital.
>>544606684Being evil in certain cases is fucking stupid, like this one. It's just that if AI doesn't pick up all the slack, it will barely matter if you can afford healthcare here from Dr .Patel Shitapoopgupta's emergency clinic and gas station.
>>544606775Nope its a unsustainable thing while having a open border and that is probably 2 plus years away from being worse than before with dems
>>544606699>The government doesn't want to take care of you, they want you to die. That way you won't cost them any more money.This is how private insurance companies work you numbskull. They deny you care and leave you to die because keeping you alive isn't worth it financially. Government run systems do not operate like this. How do I know? I live in a universal system, as does everyone in the developed world except for the US. They will spend literally millions to keep you alive and you never see a bill.
>>544606631This happens all the time, all over the country. People aren't afraid to go to the doctor because they're scared of needles, they're scared of the bill.And that's about all they are here now, pills and bills.The insurance industry should be ashamed of what they've created, but if you unlocked an infinite money cheat, would you ever give it up?
>>544606735Vote right wing politicians who support Israel?
>>544606479You don’t want to spend your hard earned cash paying for poor browns to have FREE heckin healthcare-erino???The same Browns we import infinite of every year??? HOW COULD FASCISTS FEEL THIS WAY???
>>544601934we are in debt because taxes are artificially low and the off-loading of "social safety-nets" ends up getting filled by shit like Medicade and direct bailouts from the feds to states/cities anyways.dispense with the delusion that we don't live in a quasi socialist shithole and maybe we can actually bring back a sustainable budget.
>>544606829Which part of they are already getting healthcare through the ER and this reduces the costs are you not understanding?
>>544606519You’re literally cattle and do everything the elites want, you brainwashed faggot.
>>544603600Free healthcare only works in societies that have few tax negative parasites and a people that are high trust. Take the pajeet, it's culture, of which is downstream of their nature, prevents high trust of all kinds. Like the jew, only much, much dumber. Wait times will explode. Quality will decrease and killing the patient will be pushed more and more. Look at Canada.
>>544602202>You want all the obese blacks to get free healthcarethey already do, but you don't know shit about anything.
>>544606684>t.
>>544601767>doctors pay for medical school and attend for 10+ years just to work as a janny doctor for niggers.>UN faggot nigger meme flagI've seen enough on this thread.
>>544601857israel has universal healthcare and you're paying for it you little brown retard
>>544606875That emergency room service is cheaper than a life time of free meds Cancer treatment etc.
>>544606886i dont even have a bank account, drivers license or health insuranceyou stupid fucking migger golem
>>544606650Oh, it's not magical debt, it's like $5.7 trillion total of peoples actual wages every year. We can shrink it down to $4.7 trillion of our paychecks if we team up properly. But you do you, I'll do me.
>>544606962You are an actual retard. ER visits start at 20k uninsured and get more expensive the more complex problems the person has
>>544606526There is no economy of scale when you socialize healthcare. It turns into a command and control system of resource allocation. These are extremely inefficient and always collapse because there is no free market with a price system to give market participants the right information so they can allocate resources efficiently.
>>544606699Which is probably why they haven't done it yet. 114k a year more people die without it.
>>544601934If we can afford 15200 tanks, 370 ships and 18,000 military jets we can afford it bro
>>544607013>always collapseHow can someone live in a bubble of ignorance like this? Every developed economy has a universal system happily chugging along for decades now.And yes, there is an economy of scale. The government sets maximum prices for every procedure, so they cannot get out of control like they do in the US. This is why we pay $120 for an MRI and you pay $5000. Your system is shit, deal with it
>>544607003They will die faster than with a life time of free meds and treatments er does not give its not even comparable to how much a life time of advanced treatments we will be paying for
This all looks and sounds like one big example of that "left pretends not to understand things" meme.
>>544606905I can name like 15 nations with this system and maybe 2 of them fit your qualifications. You have worse healthcare than australia, and you don't have to.
>>544601767lol, the moment you free healthcare becomes a thing the horde will come for you, you already give them free gibs, now imagine giving them free drugs, your country will be over in less than a year, look at what happened to fucking france, they gave them everything they wanted and more and now they are paying for it in blood.
>>544606816This is the same in America. Unless you have money. Private insurance is a joke, it's the worst of both systems.
>>544607013>It turns into a command and control system of resource allocationthis is literally how it works now you fucking retard. where do you niggers come from?Insurance is a quasi-governmental force of nature that dictates standard of care through how it reimburses.fucking kys you stupid faggot. I'm sick of this shit.
they've been brainwashed to be such perfect goyslaves lol
>>544606886I had a dumbfuck maga uncle that refused the vaxx and died a fucking brutal death from covid19. I laugh every time I think about it.
>>544606962It isn't, because the emergency room just starts functioning as a doctor's office. If we didn't have to live around shitskins, none of these things would be problems.
>>544607131>Show up at hospital, get treated...don't payIllegals and poors already get free healthcare. It's the people in between that pay $1200 a month for health insurance that get fucked
>>544607116It's hard to believe the US breeds such absolute mouthbreathing ignorant fucking morons. Simultaneously the smartest and dumbest country on the planet
>>544607203No the emergency rooms capability is capped and the ones who would require millions in lifetime treatments like cancer outweighs er visits. You already know how kiked the medical industry is think of how they would love to be prescribing Juanita life long chemo therapy and dialysis
>>544601767We pay 2.5x times to parasites medical and pharmacy companies to die faster, you think (((they're))) EVER going to give up that sweet deal? Killing goys for that much profit?
>>544607224>$1200 a monthit's a lot more now. like... a lot more.
>>544606839An insurance company is contractually obligated to provide the funds it promised to you. Insurance is for healthy people that are unlikely to need healthcare any time soon. It is a risk pool for unexpected and costly medical emergencies. When it is allowed to operate correctly, health insurance can be very lucrative for an insurance company AND properly protect policy holders when they have a medical emergency. No one would get insurance if the insurance company did not pay out.No such guarantee exists under socialized medicine. The logic of a socialized healthcare system dictates that patients must share healthcare with others and not be greedy. They can't take too much healthcare for themselves so as to become a burden. They will have to sacrifice their life so that others receive care in some cases. Socialist systems are inefficient and zero sum games.
>>544607203Lots of countries in Europe have shitskins. They DONT have to cope with medical bills the way you do.
>>544607237Nope you have no argument a life long cancer patient will cost more and have a bigger bill than a person who goes to the er even once a year.If the average illegal is doing more than this than their is zero argument we should spend the most money removing them
>>544601767Its Darwinism, its beautiful, die mutts.
>>544607293That's what I pay for a wife and 2 kids. It's a bottom barrel hmo also. $612 a paycheck
>>544607224Yup. The two options are to stop requiring hospitals to treat people, which would kill lots of Americans, or just stop the lie of private healthcare. There is tons and tons and tons of slippage in the healthcare industry. The only real solution is to change it from an industry to a service. So long as you have layers of for-profit leeches extracting wealth from it, it'll remain broken. The cheapest option is to price in the fact that most people who get medical care can't pay for it. Then, draw the requisite amount via taxes and assume it. Then, the government can bargain as a monopsony power against providers for the lowest costs to taxpayers. It's just logical.
>>544607284Legislation and anti corruption politicians are our only salvation
>>544607125I'm not saying we have great Healthcare, it's shit but I can go to a specialist the within days rather than weeks or months. ER's here are flooded by spics, increasing wait time and they all use fake names and addresses so they don't pay. Tax negative parasites and low trust filth prevents universal care from ever working here. Simple as.
>>544607294>They will have to sacrifice their life so that others receive care in some cases. Socialist systems are inefficient and zero sum games.I assume Americans just come to threads to troll. This is just stupid beyond words and is either bait or someone who genuinely never travelled outside their hometown and doesn't have the slightest clue how the world works outside Arkansas or whatever armpit state they're from
>>544606886
>>544606970Liar
>>544607294>An insurance company is contractually obligated to provide the funds it promised to you.Maybe you should tell them that. Oh wait, they don't care.
>>544607396>but I can go to a specialist the within days rather than weeks or months>um sorry we aren't accepting new patients. Maybe try some shithole city 2 hours away from you? good luck lil bro.none of you shitters know anything or basically live in commiefornia
>>544607365>Yup. The two options are to stop requiring hospitals to treat people, which would kill lots of Americans, or just stop the lie of private healthcareThat's not even doable. Hospitals have an obligation to treat. You can't not treat someone because they are not conscious to give you are an insurance card.And yes I agree. The private system is dead. Employers are backing away from even offering it anymore. It's going the way of the pension
>>544607237>Emergency Medicaid spending for undocumented immigrants was $3.8 billion in a single fiscal year.>The United States spends over $200 billion per year on cancer careIts not even comparable
>>544601767You really don't want free healthcare.You really don't want """free""" healthcare either outside of homogeneous countries that don't have overpopulated urban areas.You really want AFFORDABLE healthcare.Neither US party will do that.
>>544607396>I'm not saying we have great Healthcare, it's shit but I can go to a specialist the within days rather than weeks or months. ER's here are flooded by spics, increasing waitNo you cant
>>544605917'people' are supposed to have their say via their government which stops the corporations from charging people 10000% what it really costs, but we live under what the traitor elites call "friendly fascism" where government serves corporations instead and people get fucked
>>544607469>That's not even doable. Hospitals have an obligation to treat. You can't not treat someone because they are not conscious to give you are an insurance card.Sure, but that can be changed. Pass a law which no longer requires (or even allows) them to treat without proof of ability to pay. It's evil and totally nonsensical, but it's totally plausible. We are at the point where we have to choose whether we want to do the good thing or the evil thing. Inaction is no longer tenable.
>>544607396>I'm not saying we have great HealthcareThat's good because the reality is we're in 10th-15th place despite paying more than anyone on earth. All the countries with better healthcare than us, all do the single payer system.>prevent universal care from ever working here90% of those nations have shitskins. They all pulled it off. The model of what I want to do is well established.
>>544601767For what the hell did anyone care what that orange Utan vomits in the mic?
>>544601767No country that has adopted universal healthcare has voted against it after implementation besides companies and people in power who oppose it.We're the only country in the world besides 2nd/3rd world shitholes who don't have it.
>>544607439i do not have health insurance and i do not have a drivers licensei got a bank account about a year ago, before that i was running without oneto be perfectly frank with you
>>544607450...and how does free Healthcare for everyone solve for doctors having too many patients?
>>544607294>Insurance is for healthy people that are unlikely to need healthcare any time soonAnd the rest of the people can just get fucked?Keep licking that insurer boot faggot
Opening up insurance to hardcore, interstate competition and ending the Obamacare mini-monopolies would make it way more affordable to normies and avoid the rationing problem you get in socialized medicine. You have to wait six months to see certain types of doctors sometimes in the UK and Canada, which means you don't get the cancer diagnosed or heart problem dealt with until it's too late. Those are not good systems. The US is not good but would improve a lot with an actual, true free market.Onigger was actually giving a massive handout to health insurance companies in the guise of muh helping people. Utter fucking fraud lying nigger.
>>544607448insurance companies are inundated with bogus claims and claims for care that is the most expensive option available so yes, insurance companies have to deny claims all the time. what the legitimate cases do is resubmit the claim with a more reasonable care plan.
>>544607484The entire point of the argument for universal healthcare is that $200bn is massively overinflated in the US system and a significant portion of that is profit, going off to middlemen like insurance companies. The cost to treat the same amount of people in a universal system might only be $30bn, once all the leeches have been removed from the equation. But you are simply too stupid to argue with
>>544607670>You have to wait six months to see certain types of doctors sometimes in the UK and CanadaThis is absolutely not true. You can see a doctor here in Australia the next day, sometimes even the same day.
>>544607640>solve for doctors having too many patients?it's an artificial problem. residency training positions are funded by CMS. medical schools don't grow enrollments without guaranteed training slots. expand residency training programs and the number of non shit skinned doctors will also grow.
>>544607640It subsidizes hiring doctors and building hospitals The current system is you have to wait for some millionaire to decide to open a hospital
>>544601916But why on earth would you do it a second time?
>>544601767He's right just packaging what he says terribly as usual. So many of you stupid low IQ fucks see how incompetent and racist the government is towards whites but you want them to dictate our healthcare? You really think they won't apply racial "equity" to healthcare? You really think they won't tell you "sorry anon we know you are sick but your local general practitioner you have been seeing for 20 years is too good and you are on a 6 months waiting list so POC get priority but if you agree to see Doctor Darnell Quatarius you can see him tomorrow" like fuck off you retarded NEETs.
>>544607688A long time ago in America there was a strong debate about the criminal justice system they were setting up. From it came a quote:>it is better that nine guilty men go free than one innocent be imprisoned unjustlyI think it is better that nine bogus claims be granted than one legitimate claim go denied.
>>544607662The reason why we are in such a healthcare crises is because people think somebody else will take care of healthcare. If we took it seriously we'd try and maximize the amount of healthcare available and make sure doctors and hospitals had to compete with each other so that prices would be under control. For that to work you need a zero tax zero welfare free market system.
>>544607411Rural clinics in armpit states have been shuttering left and right ever since the Big Beautiful Bill passed and the people they serviced cannot make the connection. At best they will point out that the cuts haven’t taken place yet and can’t fathom that these facilities have merely seen the writing on the wall. At worst they will insist it was nonwhites flooding these clinics anyway as if they’d be 50 miles anywhere near these sundown towns of 200.
>>544607779No he isn't. Trump is literally wrong about everything.
>>544601767There's no such thing as free healthcare. Free healthcare is you getting taxed out the ass for your own healthcare as well as every nigger's healthcare. Do you know how much people in France and Canada and Germany are taxed? They flee their own countries to avoid the taxes for "free" healthcare.
>>544607806Trump fucking hates the poor and defunds Medicaid whenever possible, yet they absolutely love him and do not understand that he's cutting their healthcare. Sad!
>>544607696All political parties and thus individual scumbag politicians are owned and operated by corporate interests first, jewish seecond and the interests of the people 5th or so. They richly deserve it as well.
>>544607851>MUH TAXEStaxes are already artificially low in the US and need to go up, by a lot, nip tardo.
>>544607745>hospitals will magically be built when we get universal care. OK?You live in a fantasy world. >>544607736So what's that got to do with universal care?
>>544607847Not about this NEET kike
>>544603605So doctors, nurses, pharmacists, hospital staff, drug developers, medical device developers, etc., should all work for free for you because you feel entitled to their labor? What else shouldn't be part of a for-profit industry?
>>544607713My wife is from a socialized healthcare country and had to wait literally six months for a basic appointment. They saw her via video, which caused them to misdiagnose an infection and prescribe the wrong antibiotic. When she finally go an in-person appointment after six months, they said she has an irreversible lung-destroying condition that could have been prevented had the original infection been treated properly. She now has to use various inhalers just to mitigate symptoms, but nothing will fix the collapsing lungs. This is in one of the UK or Canada. She's going to die because of their delay and incompetence. There are many stories like this. The problem in the US is insurance companies don't have true interstate competition, and Obamacare doubled down on that. The government enables insurance companies to have geographical monopolies.
>>544603608unfortunately the niggers in America are white
>>544607937>hospitals will magically be built when we get universal careThere's no magic, anon. If you allocate the money for the creation of hospitals, the hospitals will be built. If you don't allocate the money, they won't. It is a VERY silly point you're making
>>544607851the medicare tax is 2.9% total (employee + employer) and it covers 70 million americans (20% of the US population.)the average american on private insurance pays $10k a year (employee + employer share) for premiums in addition to the cost of the deductible ($3-k per year.) for a family it's $25k a year premiums in addition to the deductible.
>>544607937Taxation is not magical, and the system I want to emulate is well established. Countries way worse off than our have done it for decades.
>>544601767>Yall americans cannot be THIS stupid bro
>>544607973>UK or CanadaYou don't remember where your wife is from? Lol, shut the fuck up Sanjeet.
>>544608008medicare runs on deficit
>>544607626>That's good because the reality is we're in 10th-15th place despite paying more than anyone on earth.That despite the fact our medical industrial complex is utterly corrupt, inefficient by design and the amount that is available for real healthcare is a fraction of what people paying. The Goberment dirtbags do politics with the money by paying people never has set a feet to Europe and all Gimmigrants, former GDR people and other that never paid a penny into the system are openly financed from that. On the other side has any higher caste their own system (Doctors, tax clerks, Artist etc) so the normal people (dumb as fuck as anywhere) pay for all the political adventures and corruption alone. Half of the money they steal from them is hidden in a so called "Arbeitgeberanteil" (employee part) that is never seen on the pay slip.
>>544607696No faggot the leeches are the illegals as well so your not even correct morally lolNice job getting btfo tho
>>544607973>My wife was maybe from UK or Canada, but I'm not sure whichsounds like a very real story that definitely happened
>>544606652I have a friend who almost died in a Canadian hospital with burns because they gave him a nasty infection. Guy had to be airlifted to the US. It's well known how fucking awful your healthcare is even down here.
I've come to a realization. While there might be tons of bad information and bad takes here, 4chan is probably the only place in the modern world where you can find people openly discussing these issues and talking with each other about them.
>>544607553>Sure, but that can be changed. Pass a law which no longer requires (or even allows) them to treat without proof of ability to pay. It's evil and totally nonsensical, but it's totally plausibleThat will lead to medical centers being burnt down and all sorts of social issues
>>544601767>free healthcare>free
>>544608022Which countries that aren't ethical homogenous or high trust have implemented this system successfully?
>>5446080752025 was about break even. the deficit for the program since its inception (about 60 years) is only $2 trillion. you're not making a great argument against my post.
>>544601767>Trump said a thing on twitterWe already have free healthcareAnyone with a full time job gets free healthcare. Anyone with a disability gets free healthcare.The elderly get free healthcare.The latter two are 50% of government spending.We have too much corruption and not enough money to maintain the latter two to a high standard.When the government says free healthcare they mean robbing everyone to give a 20y/o illegal mexican slave laborer free healthcare.Which ACTUALLY means they will say they are doing that while the politicians and donors themselves are looting the government for personal profit.
>>544601767The average American would need to pay about 8K more in taxes per year to get "free" healthcare at the level of health are spending per Capita Canada does.At the current level of spending per Capita the USA does, it would be something like 14K.
>>544608222Meant ethnically homogeneous
>>544601767In one of his retarded rants against Canada the other day, he made up that the U.S pays for Canadian healthcare and "other things we should have". This comes from the made up number that we steal 90 billion dollars a year from them. He used to say it was 200 billion, but I guess he now thinks it's 90 billion.
you part of the 65%? thank you for subsidizing the 35% keep in mind this minority is spitting in your face, laughing. either drinking 40s on their stoop daily or out in the golf course telling you to pull yourself up by those boot straps.
>>544607878The contempt has gotten so naked, an Iowa GOP senator when confronted by voters telling her people are going to die because of the BBB and her response was "Well, we’re all going to die!" She made one last abrasive non-apology video (in a graveyard no less) before realizing her political career is over and dropping out of reelection. Her replacement is equally as much of a MAGA mannequin, so we'll see in a few weeks if the people of Iowa learned anything.
>>544608292pic related.
>>544608008What you're not mentioning is how even pretty shit factory jobs have a low employee share and wages have long since been pre-adjusted to cover itWe are effectively already having the rich (employers) pay a tax for our healthcare
>>544608214I don't think you would consider UK, germany, australia, or france to be either of those.
>>544607635Still a liar. Do you work? Are you unemployed? Do you get your salary cash? If you work legally or receive Grundsicherung you have insurance.
>>544601767It is a bad thing to force healthy people to pay to keep unhealthy people alive, yes. This should be common sense to any human with an interest in the continued survival of our species. Its called survival of the fittest, not survival of the sickest.
Every time I go to the DMV it's a humiliation ritual. You have to get there 30 minutes before they open if you want a shot at leaving at a reasonable time. Even if you show up 10 minutes after opening you are looking at a 3 hour wait. It's not because of the amount of people or understaffed but because every worker is a black woman. Last time I got there I was #3 on line. I thought "great 15 mins ill be out of here" no it took an hour and a half. The fucking nigger Sheniqua when they opened sat there for 20 minutes gossiping with a coworker before calling someone up. Took her 20 minutes to renew a drivers license for person then she went on break. This repeated before it was my turn. There is no oversight so it runs like shit and I can tell she hated helping me because I am white. The post office is the same but you stupid fucks want these people to be in charge of your health
>>544608231You're full of migga shit, universal is without qualification sluggo.
>>544601767in america "healthcare" is the same thing as torture for profit
>>544608196I agree that it's a terrible idea, but it's an option.
>>544608070Unlike you, I'm not an unemployed lower with no hope for the future who doesn't care about being outed. I have a family and a job. My wife's condition isn't common. You'll notice that I'm not identifying the condition, either. Many doctors here in the US and medical staff in a certain field know about it, and they know the story that led up to this. I have no idea who lurks here.And lol at pretending I'm a jeet. Jeets vote 90% Democrat and want big government control of everything.We're very likely to get socialized medicine at some point because of the mess the government/insurance industrial complex has made of the system, so enjoy. I watched the entire saga with my wife from start to finish and can tell you it was dystopian. One doctor emailed her something that was very close to "you just have to die, sorry." She filed a complaint in the system and may get some compensation, but that's it. She has about two years to live.
>>544608315I'm still waiting to see Texas vote in Paxton, despite him being the most brazenly corrupt senate candidate in the modern era, just because he's not a Dem
>>544608360Universal healthcare is objectively a bad thing.I am already being robbed to pay for morbidly obese alcoholic boomers.
>>544601857Other people pay taxes and get healthcare You pay taxes and still have to purchase healthcare, which often refuses to treat you when you’re ill.
>>544608321i work in corporate accounting at a major health insurer. plan sponsor cost control has been a major focus since COVID. "low employee share" is laughable.
>>544608338>Its called survival of the fittest>fittestYou couldn't be talking about the USA, right? A country where the obesity rate is expected to hit 50% in some parts of the country by 2030?
>>544608397>Universal healthcare is objectively a bad thing.They can't fix stupid.
>>544608430Yeah so why the fuck would we give those people universal healthcare?It's literally stepping between a suicide attempt and his bullet
>>544608397Don't call me a boomer.
>>544608429I do not know a single person having an issue with paying their share but then again I work in real industry not one about to be replaced by AI lmfao
>>544607448Patients don't make claims to health insurance, providers do. The reason denials are so high is that it is a standard business practice to make all kinds of added claims to increase payout to the billing provider (which the provider does to offset poor recompense by the medicare patients they are forced to treat.Those claim denials are for all kinds of foolishness like '00343002: oral health training' during a blood pressure check.You should see the level of fraudulent shit that gets passed off to insurers with every claim.Fee for service is the only way to run healthcare efficiently as it places the person with the greatest concern in the position of deciding what service will be paid for and if you're lucky enough to find a fee for service provider, your bills will be less that 50% than what would otherwise be sent on to insurance for payment. Medical insurance for routine care is kike business and socialized systems are just huge queues of people who don't take care of themselves; ask any leaf that can afford to come here for care.I used to pull hard for socialized care until I actually saw how niggers and browns act when they think someone else is footing the bill.>>544607688checked
>>544601767I've had 0 healthcare and the last time I saw a doctor was 24 years ago. I'm voting Democrat and getting some free healthcare.
>>544601767let me guess, thats not what he said
>>544607788both of those statements are wrong
Free healthcare with infinity third worlders doesn't work, as with everything else.Always a non starter for the USA
>>544608378>emailed her something that was very close to "you just have to die, sorry."I expect this to be common when I am 60 and we have tons of jeet and muslim doctors like that white empathy you get from doctors will be completely gone and replaced with "Saar saars I don't want to deal with this shit just die"
>>544608430why should public taxes go to people who willingly fucked their bodies up? and why should anyone pay for niggers?
>>544608515>I'm voting Democrat and getting some free healthcare.GOP are still going to block it in the senate. They are bribed up to the eyeballs by private insurance companies and will never let you get cheaper healthcare
>>544605725>paying taxesThis is for poor people. Anybody that pays taxes is a moron.
>>544608378>Saar I am high caste employed Lmfao
>>544608502hint: managing networks and formularies is a form of cost control.
>>544608556It will work better than 0 healthcare. I haven't seen a doctor once in my adult life.
>>544608135No offense, but these responses show just how stupid people posting here are, and/or you're unemployed losers who don't care about posting very specific, unique info because you have nothing to lose in life. I'm not telling you the conditions or the country or anything else identifiable. Oh, and when she's visited, she's gotten almost immediate service for low-cost from top specialists who identified all the mistakes that her socialized doctors made, of which there were many. Most of them were due to laziness or cost. They were unwilling to pursue every line of inquiry, and then as soon as they realized that they had fucked up by misdiagnosing her infection, they immediately clammed up and started protecting themselves. I have all the emails because we're filing a complaint. It's Kafkaesque and dystopian. You're obviously in Australia and commenting on a system you know nothing about.
>>544608556The US doesn't have infinity third worlders. Trump always produces bullshit migration numbers and never supplies any proof that they're true
>>544608577I'm still voting Democrat though. Maybe the boomers try to civil war and I'll be able to redistribute their wealth to a doctor for some healthcare.
>>544608577Yea kike I can't wait to get "free" healthcare from my government that will treat me as a second class citizen because I am white fuck off. I live in NYC I had to watch during Covid local politicians breaking down every zip code with infection rates and they specifically divided it by white and not white. Not every race specifically but they purposely pitted it as white and everyone else to try to paint a narrative that whites had a secret cure they were withholding to create animosity and this was done by the fucking government. Fuck off
>>544601857>Be American.>Go to store.>Get offered free sample.>"Actually it's not free because someone is paying for it!"Americans are looking for every excuse they can to justify being treated like dog shit. They're quite literally paying more for healthcare through their insurance grift, and they still somehow have to take out another montage on their house to pay for their medical bills, in fact they even "medical debt" (I'm not shitting you, it's a real thing in the US).
>>544608326The UK, France, Australia aren't anymore no, it isn't successful anymore by any means directly because of an influx of filth and it is breaking the system entirely. It worked when it was ethnically homogeneous. It doesn't anymore. Look at France right now lmao. This will never work in the usa because we are already deracinated.
>>544608577The health care industry wants the government to pay for it. Look at what happened with colleges when the government stepped in? Infinite money and no oversight. What could go wrong?
>>544608000We allocated $80billion for a high speed rail in CA a decade ago and look how that turned out. You're high if you think the government can build a hospital in less than a decade and at twice the cost of the private sector.
>>544608628If you can't even name the country, why would anyone take you seriously. Your story is so obviously fictitious. Why are you lying on the internet like this? What do you get out of this other than a slight thrill in your pathetic life?
>>544607973Why would they have interstate competition? They're a cartel. They collude to keep prices high. Which is one of many many reasons why they need to go.
>>544608606Calling everyone you disagree with a jeet is the same as the old calling everyone you disagree with a jew. I'm telling you an actual thing that happened to me, a White goy, and my White goy wife. Most of the doctors she dealt with in her country were jeet, by the way, and it was a jeet woman who misdiagnosed her initial infection via telemedicine when her system wouldn't give her an in-person appointment due to bullshit covid restrictions.I'm not saying that the US system isn't completely fucked up, but socialized medicine is not the answer. Massive insurance reform and true competition is.
Healthcare is too entwined in the goyconomy. It would upset a lot of your oligarchs and we can't have that
>>544601857Just like the police and the military are free.
>>544608619It's going that way here anyway, with practically no private infrastructure to compensate
>>544608717>wanting the government to not control your healthcare is bootlickingwhatever you say ahmed
>>544608724Yeah, you didn't refute shit. That was just a big "trust me bro"
>>544608748Fine. It's the UK. Not fictitious, dude. Why are you so insistent on talking to Americans about American policy anyway? We don't give a fuck what you do. Why don't you mind your own business? Your country is nothing but an Orwellian prison camp anyway. You don't have any good ideas to offer us.
>>544601934>Not knowing that the money printer goes brrr>in 2026
>>544608397You literally don't have universal healthcare and you are being robbed already because you still pay for them wether you like it or not.It's the same metaphoric concept of shoplifters. You pay for them. Because when you need healthcare they bill you more to make up for the money lost to the uninsuredThis is an easy choice bro
>>544602563Lol buddy if you saw what americans pay for healthcare your gripes would sound like chump change.
>>544608717God, I want a dommy mommy to piss on me so bad bros
>>544608785the most likely path forward for "single payer" would be medicare for all, which is managed by private insurers in its current state. i don't think it would disrupt the economy. insurers and hospitals would continue to exist. however, it would upset the employer power dynamic, as insurance would no longer be coupled to employment.
>>544608592Larping as a libertarian again?
>>544608871He's got better healthcare than you do. I'd listen.
>>544608784Okay saar, did you try unplugging your wife and then plugging her back in yet?
>>544601934by pulling out of funding foreign nations (ukraine, pissrael, etc), actually removing all illegal brownoids and H1Bs, and changing the tax system so citizens are just given a bill in april and the closing of many tox loopholes, specifically those used by the hasidic/jewish communities.
>>544608619>I haven't seen a doctor in my adult lifeWhy would you go see a doctor when you so obviously don't need one. Do you take your car to the mechanic when it's running good too?
>>544608895No, insurers would cease to exist. The government itself fulfills their function.
>>544608717These threads are always like that.One idiot writes 'free', 500 idiots reply that it's not free, while billionaire companies run with the money.
>>544602382just go in illegally like tens of millions of hispanics, and don't speak english. the military will let you in and suck your cock too.
>>544608895That would be the worst thing everProfit needs to be removed from the system. It's a really simple equation.
>>544601767>have free Healthcare>get ethnically replaced in a decade
>>544605606>lost 50% of your income for 5 extra years of miseryweird chart.
>>544609013>No, insurers would cease to exist. The government itself fulfills their function.medicare is administered by private insurers. CMS pays for medical spend as well as the fees charged by those insurers. i'm describing how medicare (and medicaid) work. you're describing something else.
>>544608871Imagine trying to convince this thread you're even married, let alone that your fictitious story actually happened, why not get a real hobby instead of lying to anonymous people on the internet? Surely there's something better you could be doing with your time?
>>544608943>I'd listenMy wife is dying in two years because NHS doctors misdiagnosed her and then failed to treat her properly. No, actually, I don't believe any socialized system is better. You're fantasizing about "access" on paper that turns into "sorry, can't see you" in reality. Oh, and you can't sue for malpractice like you can here. You can file a complaint and get some low compensation, but that's it. I've personally been through this entire process with my wife from start to finish.People like you are like children and believe there's a magic tree that will supply you with everything you need once you make it "free." What actually happens is the resource dries up because the people involved aren't adequately motivated to do a good job.
>>544609048Oh that's gonna happen anyways unless you start beheading billionaires.Might as well have some healthcare
>>544602418that's actually not what free means buddy
>>544609041>Profit needs to be removed from the system. CMS addresses this by setting a fee schedule via annual rule making. if you (hospital/physician/plan administrator) don't agree to the fee and the other terms, you don't get reimbursed.
>>544609041>price controls will won't cause a shortage in supply this time
>>544606465just shoot your government if you don't want to pay israel anymore. what's your military going to do? crash a jet? fall off a rope onto a nigger ball field? they're all retarded foreign goyim. just shoot them. the whole world is watchuing america turn into a mexican nigger cage with millions of new indians, and you're just letting it happen. cops shoot you, veterans shoot themselves, and you lock your guns up "just in case". just in case what you nigger? in case you need to kill yourself one day?
Nothing and I mean NOTHING runs efficiently and without mass corruption if it gets free unlimited money. It's not just this. I worked at a college that got government money. We had a storage closet filled filled with expensive shit collecting dust because every year my boss would say "we are 5k under budget if we don't spend this they will cut our budget so please buy 5k worth of whatever you want". I live in a HOA ran by boomers who have been caught MULTIPLE times finding ways to skim our maintenance costs into their wallets because they have no oversight and maintenance is guaranteed money.
>>544609083>medicare is administered by private insurersYes, under the current system... But that's not what the plan is. The plan is full transition to a single payer system >Insurers generally do not exist for primary or core medical services in a pure single-payer system, though private insurance can still play a limited or supplemental role depending on how the system is designed.
>>544602202>>Just add trillions more to the debt goy!You mean like printing 5k for every single person?
>>544609123>misdiagnosed her and then failed to treat her properlyAnd what about our current system prevents that? There's nothing about it to defend.
>>544608943Cheaper but worse
Seething over nothing thread #322480
>>544609247>>>reddit
>>544608805>>wanting the government to not control your healthcare is bootlickingOh yeah, having properly regulated clinics with state of the art technology where all you need to get your treatment is your ID is terrible. I'd much rather have an overpriced insurance system where most of the money is wasted on bureaucracy of the system which may or may not cover the treatment I'll need, so that I can go to a poorly regulated clinic still using 40 year old equipment, and still end up having to pay money.
>>544608717You don't pay half your pay check for free food samples
>>544608717>make up the most retarded inapplicable analogy ever>act like its somehow representative of reality>declare victorygoddamn plebbitors, retards all of you
>>544608738>The health care industry wants the government to pay for it. Look at what happened with colleges when the government stepped in? Infinite money and no oversight. What could go wrong?mcfuckin THIS
>>544609321No, quality, wait times, number of providers. Australia beats us in all of them, unless you're a billionaire, THEN america has the best healthcare. If you're not, we're in 10th-15th place
>>544608860>universal care will just work in a country with zero trust and hundreds of millions of tax negative parasites. Just trust me bro.You have no evidence that it would work other than listing countries that, with the exception of Germany, aren't ethnically homogenous anymore. And guess what? Germany it still works. Median wait times there are lower than your other 3 failures. Want to guess why or just demand the gov pay for brown filth to get free care?
>>544609396Shocking that someone from the rape capitol of Europe due to all the Muslims has a shitty opinion right?
I refuse to pay for nigger welfare.
I hope if you ever posted stuff online with your real name you stop now. There is 0% chance it won't be common for doctors to have access to some AI application that scrapes the internet for your posts to decide if you are a "racist" the night before they operate on you
>>544609441I can list 15 nations that have done it. You can't provide a single source as to why "we can't". Just a lot of "trust me bro. There's brown people, we can't"
>>544609230>Shortage? What you can't just bring i a briefcase full of cash?He doesn't know it takes months to get a simple biopsy or scan in america
>>544601767Nothing is free. You pay taxes.Ideally the government would cease to exist and we would stop paying taxes and then we would form a new government only for white germanic men, and nobody else. Any government that let's jews and women have power is a doomed and gay system that should be overthrown for it's comical weakness.
>>544609570>I can list 15 nations that have done it.why didn't you?
>>544609570I’m sure he’ll pull some three bar chart that looks like a fifth grader made it for a class powerpoint assignment with a single defunct link from voxpopuli.wordpress as his source.
>>544609570Are all 15 of these countries ethnically homogenous and successful in their implementation of universal care today with no rationing or extended wait times?I already know the answer btw.
>>544601934>>544602202Universal healthcare is cheaper than what America has. America’s public health expenditure is on par with every European country that has universal healthcare. We just don’t have anything to show for it because all our money goes towards lining the pockets of Jews instead of actually providing healthcare. We are not saving money with our crappy system. Everybody would be paying less under a universal healthcare system. And the debt would go down.
>>544609674Wasted effort, I already listed 5 nations that do it better than us. It did nothing.
>>544609392They're free food samples...free.Just as free healthcare is free.>...but the taxesAre allocated as they should.
>>544608981I knew someone who died of cancer because he had this mentality. By the time he went to the doctor it had already spread to his brain and was incurable. Whereas if he had gone in for a checkup in previous years, they would have caught it early and there’s a 99.9% chance he would have lived.
>>544601767european socialism not looking so hot rn
>>544609759>these nations do better because they do. Just trust me bro
>>544609721"Trust me bro. We can't. There's brown people". Sauce?
>>544608505>The reason denials are so high is that it is a standard business practiceYes. That healthcare is subject to standard business practices is itself the problem. You have made explicit exactly what the problem is: we are doing business with the health and lives of other human beings. On one end of the fulcrum is health and disability; life and death. On the other is profit and loss. They are incompatible axes -- and that we attempt to balance them is the most fundamental problem in the arrangement. So long as we continue allowing business practices to make decisions which directly and arbitrarily effect outcomes relating to human health and life, we will consistently see lives and health sacrificed in the name of profit. Maybe you're okay with that. I'm not. I think people who are okay with that are fucking antihuman ghouls.
>>544601767>The concept of free healthcare being a bad thingWhy should I pay for a person who's 600lbs healthcare?
>>544609815>>544609806
Can anyone explain why OP only made one post and used a meme flag?
>>544601767why should i be subsidising someone who has millions of dollars in medical bills
>>544609609that's because we use health insurers retard and don't use fee for service.remove the profit motive and see how many faggots will go through the hell that is medical school
>>544609834You already do in America. They pass off the costs. Thats why hospitals here cost so much.
>>544609806They do better because they aren't madly lining their pockets because they can and are focusing on the actual medicine. Fucking cuba ties with us in a ton of metrics. A communist, 3rd world shithole has almost as good of healthcare as the most expensive country in the world.
>>544608592>This is for poor people. Anybody that pays taxes is a moron.Tell us about your citizenship status, or are you just committing tax fraud.
>>544608336I don’t receive anything from the state
>>544608378>who doesn't care about being outeddo you have brain damage ? You think saying Uk or Canada will make you harder to identify ?
>>544601767And incentivize doctors to actually cure you rather than milk your quarterly appointment for more prescriptions and tests? How dare you
>>544609873A lot of incel losers on this site get off on making troll threads and never replying again
>>544601767here's a tipgo to the ER for everything. they have to see you even if you don't have insurance. they'll mail you a bill. throw it in the trash.they can do literally nothing about it
>>544609786>taxes>Are allocated as they should.lollmao of all the goys, you are the goyestimagine being so servile
>>544609806https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Cuba/United-States/HealthThey're tied with us or beat us in about 60% of the metrics. And they pay 1% of what you do
>>544601767Free healthcare for everyone is indeed fucking retarded, especially when Whites are the only ethnic group that are a net positive for the economy.
>>544610075My bad, 2%
>>544609830nice spacing faggot>antihuman ghoulsyou're here forever
>>544610092that's because whites are the best most enthusiastic slavesgood goy
>>544609728>Universal healthcare is cheaper than what America has.>t.globalists
>>544602240Their free money raises GDP goy, you buying ten pairs of Jordans and some Robin’s Jeans does not.
>>544610025Oh, you CAN actually be sued and have your wages garnished by the hospital.Fun fact.
>>544609957>Cuba just works bro, Hasan piker told me so. >Just trust me bro. >I know what I'm taking about, I can list FIFTEEN COUNTRIES bro>they totally still work bro, all of them just work bro.
>>544610167It's a trillion dollars cheaper
>>544610116First, I've been posting on 4chan since 2006. The way I write is the way I write. Second, this is not an argument. You are attempting this inane purity test garbage precisely because you have no substantive response to what I wrote. Instead, you want to socially engineer the impression that your opinion is the Official 4chan Opinion and mine is not.
>>544610179lmao no they can't. I'm 45 and have never been sued
>>544610025This might work if you are a NEET mooching off your parents this does not work for anyone that has actual aspirations in life
>>544601934>How much more would free healthcare for everyone add to it?If you spent the budget for the F35's RnD and maintenance and unit costs on Healthcare, instead of the F35, the debt would be $39 Trillion. If we used the money we're spending to give free healthcare to Israelis, then that would help a lot, too. America reimburses the IDF for the veterans benefits and family benefits they pay their soldiers, which is why they receive 3-rank post-humous promotions. An IDF soldier can also receive American veteran benefits from the VA when they move here, double-dipping from the American treasury. So moving that money to American healthcare wouldn't be an extra burden on the treasury. The MIC in general spends 10x what Russia's does, despite producing less. About 90% of the US' MIC budget is actually just corruption and could be used to provide free housing and healthcare to citizens without impacting production, if only the US would simply enforce procurement contracts instead of trying to enrich investors.
>>544610179what a good little slave
>>544610196Didn't check the stats at all. See? Wasted effort. Called it.
>>544610229why wouldn't it work slave?
>>544610221>reddit blatheringlol what a faggot. I hope you stay; you'll be hating niggers in short order
>>544609882>if its not for profit then doctors wont get paidehhhhhhhhhhhh
>>544610196>all of them just work broWhat we're doing now doesn't work. We pay more than anyone for subpar care.
>>544610227Yeah they can. Ask Google.
>>544608338>survival of the fittestIs about the species you imbecile not governments or sociopaths exploiting "weak" people and how great it is you jew
>>544610229you are paying them because you want to because you have been trained to feel bad for refusing to get fucked lolwhite people are embarrassing. you faggots are pathetic. you are fully owned little goycattle and you love it
>>544601934we're never gonna pay off our current debt anyway, let's just keep going. also, it wouldn't be so bad if we forced negotiations with medicine producers for lower prices otherwise they get banned from the American market
>>544610220>Obamacare will only cost 1 trillion dollars, honest!>ok it costs several more than that, I'm just wrongftfy
>>544610346maybe if you owe hundreds of thousands of dollars. not for an ER visit or even hundreds over the span of your life
>>544610315Maybe you don't like being held morally accountable for your beliefs. If you prefer a more ideologically-safe environment for your beliefs, you might try Twitter.
>>544609957I don't see you flying to Cuba for care faggot. And how about that list you keep talking about?
>>544610289>>544610358If it reaches a certain amount and you have money or equity they will eventually sue you. I am talking like 6 figures. Anything under that goes to collections who will pursue you and you can ignore but you will tank your credit score which means nothing to NEET losers like you which is why you can get away with it because you have nothing worth pursuing.
>>544610405Obamacare literally cost a quadrillion dollars
>>544609882Maybe you should remove the gatekeeping medical school and train people to specialize instead of being general doctors. Do you really need that MD and five industry fellowship organization memberships to prescribe steroids and a Z-pack? Leave that to surgeons.
>>544610427>more reddit faggotrylolI can't wait for when you trannys get your asses blown out next month. the kvetching will be so sweet
>>544610452I can't afford a basic trip to the doctor, you think I can afford a plane ticket?
>>544610269>bro the stats from Cuba where they ration food regularly are totally accurate with Healthcare>I can name FIFTEEN COUNTRIES>I won't buy I COULD if I wanted to>bro look at the stats You are literally a really twenties kid with no real world experience of any kind and exist in the echo chamber. Cuba isn't what you think it is, Michael Moore and piker were shown a false side of the country reserved to those wealthier than either you or I. Next you will tell me North Korea is on the list of 15 countries and are all actually super healthy and happy.
>>544610565oh nope not much heckin slave score!! lol you white slave faggothow much gonna be in debt for the rest of muh life without a good slave scorrrrre????? lol
>>544610630Rationing food actually leads to better outcomes simply because it avoids obesity which is the #1 threat to human life now that american medicine has basically obliterated everything infectious or hereditary
>>544610627yeah you can the ER is free
>>544610598>the solution for getting doctors to work for no money is to train them like Wendy's employeesyou have to have a college degree to be this retarded
>>544610630Actually no. North korea actually doesn't have better healthcare than us. Congrats, you finally found a system worse than ours.
>>544610627Costs me $75 to see my gp. $90 to run like 12 different blood tests. That's it. If you don't have that much what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>544610719>>544610179
>>544610674>heh I am totally not a slave because I mooch off my parents who are slaves themselves according to my logicNEETs never cease to amaze me and you are pushing 50 to boot
>>544610627make yourself useful to others and stop being poor
>>544610742$90? What was wrong with you?
>>544610608You approached me with a topic for discussion here: >>544608505. That's admirable. You put yourself out there with something you believed and attempted -- in your own way -- to present it as rigorously as you could. It was, unfortunately, a pretty thin argument. But we all start somewhere. Maybe if you were able to tolerate being around people who reason more rigorously than you do, you might not be in this position. Instead of being mad, you could just go back and attempt to use your brain. You don't have to give up so easily and retreat to reddit-calling, anon. You could just use your brain instead. Good luck.
>>544601767USA pays for the God damned kikes in the IsNotRael Balfour project to get free health care.Simple.Destroy the jew utterly and to the last and have free healthcare.White Men of the West must choose, destroy the jews utterly and to the last and exist, or cease to exist.
>>544610742I don't think the entire healthcare system is an issue. However I concede it is an issue for anyone making like 20k-35k. If you make under 20k you generally are accepted by medicaid but if you make over that you don't so the expense of healthcare could be an issue for people making that little but if you make 40k or higher generally you are better off. We should be focusing on that, the people that aren't medicaid eligible but make little above it. We don't need to blow up the entire system
>>544610790I'd love to but there's a multi million dollar company intent on paying me 0.007% of the profits, just cause they can. I'll find something else eventually.
>>544601767>everyone gets healthcareis code for>all my pharma/insurance exec buddies get blank checks from you the tax payer
>>544611061They already have blank checks. It's why insulin costs as much as they fucking want it to cost.
>>544610876>a pretty thin argumentI see you've never worked in the health care industry. what I described is exactly why insurers (which I believe should not exist at all) have so many claims denied. you responded with >nuh uh>ad hom while bitching about a genetic argumentit's apparently true that leftists will forever pretend not to understand arguments they can't answer
>>544611061I've lost count how many times leftists have been tricked into supporting something that benefits corporations and the rich the most at theor own expense
>>544610983Incentivized poverty is one of many problems with it, insurance companies are another, hospitals having bloated admins and their billing departments that charge insane amounts are another. Universal care isn't a solution with how many tax negative retards, illegals and outright undesirable people we have here. It works only in high trust societies because they won't abuse what's free like so many pajeets do daily.
>>544610781I'm have zero debt. I own my house and my car. you own nothing and never will and you're literally happy about it you goyslave retard
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>>544611212>If you try to control the price they'll win. Better let them charge as much as they want instead
>>544610995why exactly are you entitled to all of the profits if you're not the only person in the company? If you don't like how much you're paid, you're free to seek other employment or start your own business.I know, why don't you seek funding and build a free hospital that runs on subscription
>>544611307How do you abuse medical care? Get in line over and over again?
>>544609089My wife's story is 100% real and far worse than I've described here.
>>544611307this
>>544611388>all of the profits>Oh, you're not making it on 0.007%? What makes you think you're entitled to 100% of the profits????
>>544611307>> the undesirableslol debt slaves are undesirable. you are a danger to everyone around you
>>544611388Also, I said I'd find something else eventually. But honestly they could probably make me happy by paying me 0.003% more of the take. But they won't. So they'll have to replace me.Not that you care even slightly
>>544611542good got slave republican economic models are theoretical you retard. they don't work in real life. that's why America is collapsing
>>544611618I have 0 debt. Thanks for thinking of me though
>>544611759we both know that's a lie lol. people who think like you have exist on debt and you're proud of.you will own nothing and you will be happy
>>544611186>you responded with >nuh uhTo be clear, I responded with the following:That healthcare is subject to standard business practices is itself the problem. On one end of the fulcrum is health and disability; life and death. On the other is profit and loss. They are incompatible axes -- and that we attempt to balance them is the most fundamental problem in the arrangement. So long as we continue allowing business practices to make decisions which directly and arbitrarily effect outcomes relating to human health and life, we will consistently see lives and health sacrificed in the name of profit. Not "nuh uh".
>>544611542so you will admit that you're only entitled so a percentage of the profits? ok. Now it's time to justify why you think you deserve more.>>544611691tell them you're leaving if you don't get the raise. if they let you leave, either your work isn't worth the money or you aren't worth it
>>544611814>let me tell you how poor you are. Thanks for thinking of me again.
>>544611883>Just hold yourself hostage bro. Either they'll talk you down from the ledge or they won't. Simple.Nah, I'm just gonna find something new entirely
>>544611826>That healthcare is subject to standard business practices is itself the problem.Yeah, this isn't a given and you'll have to support it with an objective moral argument - which you can't muster.Perhaps your claim is that healthcare is so important that it's economic inputs should be gratis?
>>544612130Maybe you should be a doctor and give away health care for free like you want everyone else to do
>>544609306Because it took six months just to get an appointment with an NHS doctor in person in order to get the proper diagnosis for the initial condition, an infection. That exact delay treating the basic infection is what caused her fatal lung illness. It would never take six months in the US to see a GP in person instead of on video. Even during hardcore COVID times. NHS policies killed her.
>>544601976That pic that I've been seeing.. smells.. bureaucraticic
>>544612144It's not a moral argument, anon. It is the statement that so long as profits are weighed against human health and life, profits will win. Whether or not that's good or bad is your call. If you think that's okay, like I said, I think that makes you an antihuman ghoul.
>>544612399why shouldn't profits win?>if you disagree then you are an antihuman ghoul, which totally isn't a judgement of moral valueyou are comical in your foolishness
>>544601767The jewish snakes who control the medical business want all Americans to die if they are not rich like them.
>>544612528Because they're coming at the direct cost of human lives. You either agree with that or you don't. If we agree that this is what's happening, that's fine. We agree then, on my substantive point: that the current system chews up human lives in order to generate profits.
>>544601867he meant what he said, im not paying for lazy cigarette smoking fats to have healthcare. End of story.
