am i the only sane person that doesn't want them to keep killing each other? people cheer this on like it's a reality show for entertainment
>>544621524You're not alone, but this once again reveals how many people are demonic
>>544621524Russia can go home when they want to.
>>544621524They've been potshotting each other's energy infrastructure for the last two and a half years.They aren't killing shit.This is the gayest war ever.
>>544621848that's simply not realistic nor fair desu, i don't mean to side with anyone, but there are majority russian territories in ukraine that weren't part of it before the soviet union, these are territories that have always been a part of russia and populated by russians, not ukrainians. it's also not like ukraine wasn't shelling them and killing them before the war.
>>544621524Jew Zelensky is sending Ukrainians to be killed by Jew-tool Putin. Result: Slavs get massacred, Jewish power increases in Eastern Europe.
>>544621524There literally neighbors. They shouldn't be shooting at each other at allI'll say it's probably nothing more than population controlThere just killing off peopleTo to do pic related
>>544622272happened here, soon croats and serbs will speak between each other in indian
>>544621956You're just parroting Russian state propaganda here.Donbass war and all the killing that followed it happened only because Russia got scared that Ukraine might join their adversaries (initially only EU but then potentially also NATO) and thus decided to intervene by stirring up shit in Donbass using local Russian-speaking population as a tool. It's always been only about Russia's geopolitical interest of keeping Ukraine under it's control.And no one gives a shit really about any of the residents of Donbass. In fact Russia happily drafted all of them first after invasion to send them to die in the meatgrinder.
>>544621956So in other words: you do want them to keep killing each other.
>>544621524this post is extremely antisemitic
It's young white men killing other young white men for no real reason.
>>544622416well you haven't debunked anything i said, and i can counter you and say you're repeating eu state propaganda, it's a fact that those territories weren't a part of ukraine before the soviet union and that they have always been demographically russian>>544622420no? just go back to pre-soviet state and avoid war
>>544621524>The only sane personYou are the fakest balkan ever. Die.
>>544621956>it's also not like ukraine wasn't shelling them and killing them before the war.I fucking love how decades go by but zigger propaganda doesn't change a bit, it's always about ebil nazis shelling poor ziglets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila
>>544622532The point you're missing is that the territories, whether they speak Russian or not and who controlled them in the times of Rurik are totally irrelevant to this war.It's just an excuse.
>>544622532>just go back to pre-soviet stateThat's not possible because it would leave Ukraine defenseless.Russia would just attack Kiev again the next day, that's the whole problem.The only way it could work is with hard security guarantees from America/NATO.But that's not happening either, and so the war continues.
>>544621848Who cares about Russia? You want to kill everyone in Ukraine in a border squabble. You act moral, really you're murdering filth.
>>544621848its one of the great disappointments of /pol/for 15 years we told u that the jew lies and spread propaganda. For 15 years we told u that the Jews are based in London and NewYork and they jealously and ruthlessly control the world's money oil drugs and slaves. For 15 years we told u that they lie about war more than anything else....So what happened when war breaks out around the deep oil reserves of Donbas?U believed every word the lying jew said. kys
>>544622833>leave ukraine defenselessno it wouldn't, they'd have a river and a natural border between them, and no russians in their country to cause potential conflict.>>544622707i think you need to prove that statement, because right now it's just an opinion.
If you knew either of them well you would cheer on this
>>544622854why do you say ukrainians are filth? they're pretty chill people, i find their sense of humor better than west euros and i can bond with them easier
>>544621524from day 1 I wished it would stop. By the way its Anglo-US depopulating Ukraine, then blaming it on Russia. Russia has little to do with it.
>>544623133>why do you say ukrainians are filth? they're pretty chill people, i find their sense of humor better than west euros and i can bond with them easierI didn't say that. I spent a lot of time in Ukraine before the war and unlike the murdering Eurocucks I am sad they are being genocided.
>>544623061Do you hate the germans with the same intensity?
>>544623012Nobody from the regions that Russia went to "liberate" is better off today than they were before the war. Many are dead.Most of the land is utterly devastated, settlements destroyed.Local male population was also forcibly mobilized by Russia when the invasion started and has taken disproportional casualties since.If it was about helping local Russians it could have just offered them to relocate in Russia, there's more than enough land and resources there.The one plausible claim about the importance of Donbass is regarding the natural resources there and it's not that Russia needs badly them really but more about denying Ukraine and Europe access to them.Everything else related to these provinces is pure war propaganda.And Donbass resources were likely a secondary target at best though given how focused Russia was at regime change in the early phase of the war.Main reasoning is still likely just Russia being afraid of a strong NATO-aligned Ukraine close to Russia's industrial and population centers. And if it's the case then Russia is very unlikely to give up on it's long term goal of getting control over all of Ukraine just because it gets some now mostly wasteland regions of Donbass.
>>544623984Everyword you said is a lie you pathetic faggot. The annexxed land was neglected for years by Kiev, now its booming.
>>544623484sry>>544623984ok but you're basically asking for russia to make all the concessions while ukraine gets to keep territory it didn't have before the soviet union, and then also making a statement about how it wouldn't have changed anything if ukraine had made a concession, despite providing no proofs
>>544623984you're basically justifying moral injustice to russia while saying russia should have made all the concessions, and then saying russia would have declared war anyways despite no proofs
I think it is already too late for Ukraine to recover so the preferable outcome is for Russia to reduce the number of Ukrainians to zero so we don't have to hear about it for the next thousand years.
>>544621848>let's just pretend slavs weren't killing each other for 8 years prior to 2022 in donbass>that's my argumentSometimes it's like half the Dutch posters on this board are nu.nl readers and Arjan Lubach viewers
>>544624112>>544624164Where did I ask for "concessions"?I'm explaining to you that the war is not about some historic butthurt but about modern day pragmatic geopolitical interests.And that there is unfortunately no good way out of it unless one or the other country/regime collapses.At best the conflict could be temporarily frozen but the largely irrelevant territorial concessions will not lead to any lasting peace.So it would be dumb for Ukraine to accept giving up territory in return for such "peace", which is why they won't do it unless they get something significant in return, like NATO membership or comparable guarantees, which they also won't get. So the war continues.
>>544624397Wouldnt be surprised at this point if shills and bots use their vpn to false flag as "countrymen" of legit anons from the same thread as to ridicule them by proxy. They always act over the top and jump to the most nonsensical conclusions like itt.
>>544623984Just a reminder to everyone, Estonians hate Ukrainians EVERY MURDERING BIT as much as they hate Russians. They want both Russians and Ukrainians dead, and that's why if you check out X you can see them cheering on and laughing about all the drone footage coming out of Ukraine, and it doesn't matter if it's a Ukrainian or Russian getting killed, they love it all.
After years of observing them online and in real life, I'm pretty neutral about all Ukrainians disappearing, same goes for Baltic States and most of Poles. Completely worthless groups of people, their mentality is insanely fucked up.
>>544621524They have to settle the matter, unfortunately if the killing is stopped now the matter is not fully settled and more war is required later, one side must be defeated so a new security architecture can be built in the place of the very bad old one
>>544621524The Ukies want it the most it seems>>544621848Russia has offered to go home whenever Ukraine agrees to neutrality.
>>544624935>geopolitical interestshistory is interconnected with those interests>unfortunately no good way out of it unless one or the other country/regime collapsesit's called a compromise desu>territorial concessions will not lead to any lasting peace.honestly that's the kind of statement that needs proofs, russia would have no more reasonable interests or casus bellis for a new war, we have international law anyways>So it would be dumb for Ukraine to accept giving up territory in return for such "peace"why?>like NATO membership or comparable guarantees, which they also won't get. So the war continues.why not? the west did the same in kosovo, over a territory that was not once a part of an albanian state, and that was demographically not albanian until the 19th century. kosovo also has a lot of resources like gold. so, what gives? nato also broke the international law there, over a genocide plan that was later debunked at un courts and ruled as false
>>544624935See this retard. He operates on following assumptions:1) Russians are not human. 2) Putin is Giga Stalin, he's the most absolute dictator ever who just does things for evil reasons. 3) America good, West good, Jews better. These are axioms in their brain. From that starting point, entire narrative of this war was constructed, which bears almost no relation to real life. Reality is that this is an imperial conflict, namely ZOG (or American Empire if you want) needs to grow and murder in order to sustain itself. Russia, like China, are independent powers who don't want that. They prefer to be sovereign. West impeded on Russian sovereignty by trying to absorb mentally ill Russians from Ukraine who became ''Ukrainians'' over decades. This is the most Jewish method of thinking, straight out of Talmud. You brainwash, propagandize, work behind the scenes, do everything in your power to bend the will of a group of people, but you avoid outright aggression, and then the other side is just supposed to accept it as ''rules based world order''. Sorry, West/Jews are better at playing that game. Russians tried but failed. Then they decided to simplify things and kill people.
>>544621848This. Ziggers are vile subhuman scum.
>>544621524the argument always goes like this:>both sides are in the wrong, therefore ukraine should give into russias demand and give them everything they want
>>544621524/uhg/ did a good job on redpilling the world on Ukrainians and their supporters. Every intelligent and reasonable person after reading /uhg/ comes to a natural conclusion that Putin did nothing wrong.
>>544625827ok but i can flip the script on you and say the same thing. the argument always goes like this:>both sides are in the wrong, therefore ukraine should steal territory and russia should give them everything they want
>>544621524Funnily enough, a Serb put it well."War is where the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other."
>>544625801damn dude, you sound full of hate, are you really swiss or albanian ?
>>544621524They sure do like killing each other and don't want to stop doing it, so why do you care about these subhumans?
>>544625827>ukraine should giveUkraine can't do anything, even vote, because the power is usurped by the Kiev's regime and its European sponsors. Both of them have a single goal to keep damaging Russia to the last unprivileged Ukrainian who has no rights nor freedoms.
>b-but anon Ukrainians are realNo. They're not. They're abortion of a nation, which is inevitable since their origin wasn't organic development but rather phantasmagoria of foreign powers (namely Austrians, for the most part) distilled via group of ''elites'' that then wished this ''nation'' into life. Later Soviets piled onto this mess (fighting ''Russian chauvinism'') by acknowledging this idiocy. Acknowledging this idiocy was tolerable during Soviet times as Soviet Union encompassed Ukraine. They backtracked a bit on original plans as Stalin took over but they allowed them to LARP as Ukrainian. Once that main link was broken, and ''Ukrainians'' spontaneously decided (totally on their own) that they must butcher Moskals and what not, ''Ukrainians'' existing is simply intolerable to Russians. Not only are they functionally brainwashed zombie Russians, they based their new identity on rabid hatred of Russians, including Russians living in their country. So what are Russians supposed to do in that case? Say it's a fair game and just give up and allow Jews to build a nation of anti-Russian golems on their doorstep? That's kinda what they did until it became too much to bear. Just check the 1991-2014 period. In almost every confrontation Russians backed down and gave in to their whims. But being nothing but retarded turncoats whose only social glue is hatred of Russians, they just went further and further.
>>544625994>steal territorywhat territory would they steal?
>>544626059Well, I hate invaders and killers.
>>544621956We're long since past the point where anyone can pretend Russia is intervening in Ukraine because they care about the lives of people in the Donbas. If that was a genuine concern they'd offer asylum for that people to settle in Russia proper, not bomb the shit out of their cities and send thousands of Russian people to their deaths every month.
>>544626171Literally entire Ukraine is stolen territory. You could make a case for the westernmost part, as that's where this retarded identity originally spawned in something resembling current form. Every single city and place where ground war is waged right now was founded by Russian state. No one ever called it ''Ukraine'' until early 20th century when Bolshevik government decided this LARP is good cause Russians are evil oppressors and must repent.
>>544626321this was the nuanced unbiased view i was looking for
>>544621848>Russia can go home when they want to.they are home you hohol scum
>>544621524It isn't just you. This war is sad.
>>544621524Russia can leave anytime they want
>>544625723>russia would have no more reasonable interests or casus bellis for a new war, we have international law anywaysRussia's interest is not having a large militarized and hostile country with territorial claims right next to it's most central regions.Getting some destroyed wasteland in Donbass won't help with this outside allowing Russia to attack further from better positions.Also, anyone referring to "international law" must be trolling at this point, especially after Trump's Iran "special military operation".>why not? the west did the same in kosovo,Serbia didn't have nukes.Also Russia has repeatedly and explicitly said as well that they won't accept to Ukraine being under NATO umbrella or hosting NATO forces as part of the peace deal.Which makes sense as it'd go against it's plan of continuing the war until Ukraine is fully defeated and a "Russian-friendly" puppet government is installed.
>>544621956Those Russian regions where they are concscripting even the fucking kids to send them to the front you mean? Blithering retard. With such caring neighbours there’s truly no more need for enemies.
>>544621956Yeah but understand those territories were given to Ukraine in the first place for Russia to control them. Ingraining a hostile Russian minority into countries they wish to control, is a tactic Russians have repeated several times.
>>544626352This is the unbiased view as everything I'm speaking of is present in unholy amount of historical records. I'm just not presenting it in a sanitized politically correct way you desire. Some groups of people are genetically retarded. Some nations are just fake. Some cultures are inferior. Pretending otherwise is just being retarded and living in a fairytale. ''Ukrainians'' are simply a fake nation held together by state power, foreign intervention and some idiotic core motives like above mentioned hatred of Russians (their original group). Beyond that, they have nothing in common which isn't Russian or Slavic. They can't even agree on common language.
>>544623012>no it wouldn't, they'd have a river and a natural border between them,the dnieper is no border anymore, and Odessa is on the other side of that.>>544623984>gets some now mostly wasteland regions of Donbass.these are the best parts, best clay, best minerals, oil and gas, you fat lying american cunt
>>544621524yeah it's pretty fuckedwhy are they droning young slaves instead of the people actually responsible?
>>544626171ukraine got significant territorial gifts from russia across different periods of time, especially during the soviet union. territories that were always a part of russia and demographically russian.
>>544626547sure why not
>>544624397>half the Dutch posters on this board arefucking hohol trash or paid nafo faggots
>>544626544No they weren't. They were given to them by Bolsheviks, and then for a good decade and half they were subject to policy of korenizatsiya to make them ''Ukrainian''. Motive was absolutely not to control them but to nation-build ''Ukraine'' as in their proto-woke desire to make up for ''Great Russian oppression'' they created fake groups left and right.
>>544626547Russia has cemented the ukrainian identity with its dumbass war but literall retards like you are to dumb to get it.
>>544626609yet you don't ask what Russia's motive was for giving them in the first place
>>544626692>Russia has cemented the ukrainian identityThat's another cope like ''Russia strengthened NATO'' and other ridiculous bullshit. Russia will destroy ''Ukrainians'' for good. Sure, they might cement their identity in Canada and Germany before they drown into New Canadians and New Germans in the coming decades as these nations transform into Jewish economic zones.
>>544621956yep there it is the concerned neutrooler turned out to be a ziggerdoesnt even have a spine has to play around like a jew first
>>544626146>foreign powers (namely Austrians, for the most part) distilled via group of ''elites'' that then wished this ''nation'' into life.it was some farlands east of Carpathian mountains, the whole azov nazi ukraine thing was invented by austrians to seperate them from the russiansthe whole hohol thing is just nonsense lies.
>>544626684Major bullshit alert. Bolshevik Russians were still Russians and desired greater control across all the soviet satellite states. korenizatsiya was literally, Russification of non-Russian people. You are spouting pure propaganda pretending you are unbias lmao
>>544626709In the first place? What first place? ''Ukraine'' didn't exist before 20th century. There was a Cossack ''state'' in what's now south-eastern Ukraine, centered around Zaporozhye, and that's it. Rest was Polish, Lithuanian, Tatar, or Russian. ''Ukraine'' in that day only meant a broadly defined geographic region. Nothing else.
>>544626767>Russia will destroy ukrainians for goodAbsolute beyond delusion and butthurt. Mighty russia is in it for five years and managed to barely hold on to 20% moscow and st petersburg are getting bombed daily by now. Ukraine will keep on existing maybe a bit smaller but it def wont disappear. Your butthurt is straight up psychotic.
>>544626284>in Russia proper,it is Russia prope, and now it is Russia againkeep crying about it, bitch
>>544626844>korenizatsiya was literally, Russification of non-Russian peopleIt was exactly the opposite though. They forced ''Ukrainian language'' on these people. >>544626826Yes, pretty much. >>544626965>a bit smallerAnd a bit depopulated. And a bit economically ruined. And a bit unsustainable. Yeah, it won't exist.
>>544627007>depopulated>economically ruined>unsustainableHey, why does it sound like russia?
Also, I'm not unbiased, I'm a hardcore zigger, but in my defense that happened due to being exposed to you people for years now. I don't care if you're paid, serious, real, bots, whatever you are I don't like you and I support Russians and whoever is fighting you in any form.
>>544621524>am i the only sane person that doesn't want them to keep killing each other?No. Not only you. But you have, especially on pol, different leagues. The shills for Russians or Ukrainians. The haters and endtime worshippers who, on a daily basis, decide who they cheer on or abandon. You have the uninformed and the brainwashed. Others claim to be better informed and already know everything, therefore claiming to know the only truth but that's a part of the brainwash since nobody of us really really know, the heck maybe not even the leaders involved in this war. And then, of course the people who are not brainwashed, who are not shills, not stupid or uninformed. They just do it for the money. Every aspect, if I didn't forget anyone, is in this, my LIST. This is true FOR EVERY SINGLE CRISIS OR WAR THAT HAD HAPPEND, HAPPENS OR WILL HAPPEN.
>>544626785what did i say that's wrong? my best friend is ukrainian btw lol
>>544627078>he hallucinated it again
>>544626884Yes The Cossack Hetmanate existed as a nation state for hundreds of years before imperial Russia. Also being absorbed into a feudal system doesn't magically make the culture and people vanish, a national identity existed under both imperial Russia and the soviet union
>>544626609>always a part of russia and demographically russian.I don't really care too much about the muh history bs but most of this here is also coming from Russian state propaganda.Russian Empire was a multinational empire not a nation state and the ethnic Russian population in it wasn't really that widely spread as you think.See picrel for actual demographics and where Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians lived among other peoples.Some areas that are part of Ukraine today had mostly Russians living there while some in today's Russia were largely Ukrainian back then.
pointless war. Ukraine is done. birth rate below 1, most young males being sent to the meatgrinder. it´s basically certain that Ukraine will receive large numbers of non-white immigrants to fill the gaps. Ukraine was once the biggest, whitest and most right wing country in Europe. And now....it´s almost destroyed. Huge loss for europe as a whole
>>544627207Your posts are just giving me hardcore 2022 vibes.
>>544627141Ovaj ''Švajcarac'' je bukvalno šiptarčina neka autistična koja kmeči u svakom tredu koji ima blage veze sa Rusijom. Nešto kao onaj slovački ciganin, totalni retard. Jednostavno ne postoji neko da je zdrav, normalan, obrazovan, a da podržava Ukrajinu. Ja ga za ovih 5 godina još nisam vidio. Bukvalno su svi retardirani, podli, licemjerni, autistični, degeni, najgora grupa koju sam ikad vidio. I kako onda da ne podržavam Ruse? Ovo je bukvalno crno-bijeli sukob. Ovo su demoni.
>>544626530 #>Russia's interest is not having a large militarized and hostile country with territorial claims right next to it's most central regions.yes, so ukraine can let those territories go and not make any territorial claims, what's really the problem here?>Getting some destroyed wasteland in Donbass won't help with this outside allowing Russia to attack further from better positions.if you want to say russia would still attack, you can, but you don't really have any evidence that they would. isn't it better to promote a morally correct position where both sides make the compromise, than to push for war right at the start? it's not like having a few barren wastelands in donbas would help ukraine defend itself against a future russian apparent attack>anyone referring to "international law" must be trolling at this point, especially after Trump's Iran "special military operation".oh it wasn't violated before that in... i don't know, let me think... oh yeah, serbia?>Serbia didn't have nukes.sad>Also Russia has repeatedly and explicitly said as well that they won't accept to Ukraine being under NATO umbrella or hosting NATO forces as part of the peace deal.kosovo isn't in NATO either, yet it has exclusively NATO troops in KFOR>Those Russian regions where they are concscripting even the fucking kids to send them to the front you mean?>>544626531ok but i can flip the script on you and say the same:>those ukrainian regions where they are conscripting even kids? blithering retard. with such caring neighbours there's truly no more need for enemies>>544626544 #not really, do you even have any proof for that? you can say your opinion, but statements need to be backed by some concrete evidence>>544626547 #јeл oни тpoлaјy или штa им пyштaјy нa бeјбиcит тeлeтaбиc јeвpeјcкoј тeлeвизији хaхaхaхa))
>>544627369јa миcлим дa cy бoтoви, кaкo јe мoгyћe бити oвaкaв дeбил o бoжe
>>544627224>for hundreds of yearsCossack Hetmanate existed for exactly 120 years and the only relation it has to modern ''Ukrainian'' identity is that they were mostly Slavic. That's it.
>>544621524The orcs know only violence and war. The orcs need to die, it's as simple as that. It doesn't matter what we want. They invaded Europe and killed millions under the Tzar. They mobilized first in WW1 ignoring Germany's warning that they would be forced to mobilize as well if they did that.They invaded Europe and killed millions under communism. Stalin signed an alliance with the Nazis to invade Eastern Europe together.Now they are invading Europe and killing Millions under Putin, after they invaded Chechnya, Georgia and Crimea in 2014. The orcs only know violence and war and they only respect and understand violence and war.
>>544621524Yeah agreed, ukraine should have surrendered over 4 years ago and spared millions of lives.
>>544627007>It was exactly the opposite though. They forced ''Ukrainian language'' on these people.More bullshit, soviet promotion of Ukrainian language we a very brief move for propaganda to pretend they give a shit about the people. Then they did a complete 180 and actively and violently moved to purge any Ukrainian from the area. you are full of 100% bullshit Russian propaganda points.
>>544627452Ma imaš botove po Tnjiteru i ostalim govnima, ali ovo nisu botovi, nego jednostavno mutavi Estonci, Litvanci, ''Ukrajinci'' i ostala govna. Oni su mentalno šiptari bukvalno, ono ista forma mržnje kao što nas šiptari mrze, nema tu neke racionalnosti, morala, kao kult jebeni.
>>544627483I already acknowledged that, you just failed to read my posts being a degenerate retard like you are. Soviet policy changed but ''Ukrainian'' language and identity were still tolerated and institutionally supported. It was enough to cause damage in the long run.
>>544627456You're a retard if you think a nation will vanish overnight once a feudal monarch takes legal control. The area not only exited and a independent legal entity for hundreds of years, it continued to have a uniqe regional culture under Imperial Russia. The mass purges of all cultures expect Russian was only a policy for Soviet Russia, not for Imperil Russia
Recimo zamisli da nema Srba...koji kurac bi Albanci bili? Ne bi postojali. Tri religije, dva dijalekta (bukvalno kao različiti jezici), većina jezika pozajmljenice iz turskog ili slovenskih jezika. Ali postoje Srbi i oni ih mrze i oko toga se ujedinjuju. Isti kurac kao i Bošnjaci samo oni su dosta gluplji, neorganizovaniji, i mrze Hrvate isto.
This one montenegro zigger loser is having a mental breakdown. Undertandable seeing that mighty russia is getting humiliated daily.
puccia could take its dick out of the meat grinder>inb4 excuses why puccia can't take its dick out of the meat grinder and actually it isnt so bad and actually you should also stick your dick in a meat grinder
>>544627675No, first, Cossack Hetmanate was not a nation in classic sense but a Cossack polity, and second, it has absolutely no connection to modern Western Ukraine where ''Ukrainian'' identity spawned much later, in 19th century. Unless you consider Khmelnytsky selling them into Tatar slavery as connection.
>>544627386It's funny how you pretended to be unbias but side with Russia on every single thing. It's a historical fact the soviet union used Russian immigration to soviet satellite states to control the regions. Look up the history in your own language Mr unbais totaly not a Russian shill
>>544627829It's not about legal classification you retard, it about cultural heritage. The national borders created a cultural identity, regardless of the political system
Neither are Europeans. So, it's okay.
>>544627995And I'm telling you, retard, that that polity wasn't geographically located where ''Ukrainian'' identity later spawned, and their culture had nothing to do with peasant cult that ''Ukrainian'' identity came to be. Think of your precious niggers and their connection to Pharaohs. It's kinda like that.
>>544621524>>544621956kek>i don't want them to kill eachother this makes me sad :(>russia can leave when they like>OMG IT'S NOT THIS SIMPLE THEY CAN'T JUST LEAVE OMG FUCK YOUKEK
>>544621524You have the best take on this, op. The current situation only benefits the globalist kabal.
>>544628116Ukraine exists and will keep on existing an abolutely pathetic butthurt loser like you wont make it dissapear.
>>544621524It'll continue til enough Ukranians are drafted and killed that zelenskys forced out of office and flees to a friendly European country, Ukraines reabsorbed into Russia, the country's slowly repaired and Ukranians become russian citizens. The same way it occurred the last few times they were taken over by Russia.
>>544628190>pathetic butthurt loser like you wont make it dissapear.Maybe but Russian Army will.
>>544621524>am i the only sane person that doesn't want them to keep killing each other? people cheer this on like it's a reality show for entertainment>that flagkurwa lol
>>544628116no retard, that happens all the time with nations. Turks aren't really Turks yet Turk is a national identity. Historical technicalities don't erase a national identity. The fact that it exists, regardless of tentative origins, means you have to deal with it, and Russia response to dealing with it was to flood it with Russians
>>544626991>now it is Russia againWell it's been turned into a devastated shithole so I suppose you're right
>>544628263>Russian Army willDef not my nigga.
I hope that they abolish and mercilessly punish their governments and the oligarchs.
>>544621956it's funny how quickly you exposed yourself lmao
I also hope that they let the perpetrators pay, like Donald Trump or US congress members.
>>544628492the foreign perpetrators*
>>544627889> It's a historical fact the soviet union used Russian immigration to soviet satellite states to control the regions.Good that you mentioned it.. Do we have more or less actual numbers of Russians migrating to the Japanese Islands Russia claim it's theirs? Their must be oficial public numbers.. Or what is with Alaska.. Are there any numbers..? For the last two decades..?
>>544624096>now it's boomingEither great satire or a Freudian slip.
>>544622416They don’t give two shits about Russians living in Donbas or elsewhere, it all started when Ukraine found massive amounts of gas under Crimea and invited western companies to invest and extract it and left Gazprom out (for a reason keep in mind Russia asked Shell for a joint gas extraction venture back in 2006 and once Sakhalin 2 was built, Russia made some bullshit environmental protection argument and seized control over it de facto stealing the technology they lacked for deep water gas extraction), fearing Ukraine will become the competition for Eu market; they made bullshit up again and started stirring shit everywhere culminating with sudden appearance of “green men” clearly professional soldiers without insignia and subsequent takeover of Crimean peninsula and everything underneath it. Donbas is just an extension of this, there is a reason both sides are fixated on those two regions in particular, since anything worth waging war this destructive over is in those two places.
>>544627386>what's really the problem here?because Russia won't stop there
>>544621524Ukraine is getting split by agreement between the US and Russia, anyway, so it'll be over soon. Zelensky put Ukraine in a much worse position as a vassal of the US and lost territory to Russia, than if it just remained in just the Russian sphere of influence. A lot of Ukrainians and Russians died for nothing, and this just makes it even more obvious.
>>544627386>oh yeah, Serbia?Your nationalists literally destroyed Yugoslavia for some dumb ethnonationalist mental illness. Whatever NATO did, all comes back to you.
it's a tragedy. and it's not simple.
Remember there was a time moot banned that faggot making the 'cant we all just get along' post
>>544621524AgreedThe war is shit and should have never happened.
>>544621524I consider them both to be victims.
>>544625334False. The reasoning shown is a non sequitur — it's precisely what Edwards (2003) identified as Lewontin's fallacy. The observation that within-group variation exceeds between-group variation is empirically correct (Lewontin's 1972 finding that ~85% of human genetic variation is within populations). But the conclusion drawn in the image — "therefore they don't exist" — does not follow.The image itself demonstrates why: the two clusters (blue and red) are clearly distinguishable even though their widths overlap. Small between-group differences, when correlated across many loci, allow highly accurate classification of individuals into population groups. Edwards' key point was that Lewontin's single-locus variance partitioning ignores this multivariate correlation structure. So: the premise (width > distance) can be true, but the conclusion (therefore the groups don't exist) is false.
lol seems like this post made a lot of NPCs butthurt
>>544621956Based Nazi apologizers must be killed
>>544621524I just want Russia to Tsar bomb Kiev and just turn zelensky into ash.
>>544621848>Russia can go home when they want to.Ukraine's kike government who came to power by promising peace and protection for Russian speakers then did the opposite can fuck off from Russian territory when they want to.
>>544621524No, I'd rather them stop.But I'm also realistic enough to know that only one side can choose to stop the bloodshed. Wars do not stop until the invader wins or is defeated. Anything else is just a pause in the conflict.
>>544621524I would be less annoyed if the Ukrainians actually wanted to fight the Russians. But from what I can tell, they were tricked into electing a Jewish government who promised them peace but did everything it could to start a war, banned all men from leaving, and forces them to fight or die.Basically, I don't consider this a war between Ukraine and Russia. It's a kike war using Ukrainian slaves to fight Russia.What's actually so terrifying is realizing that the average European citizen would be just as quickly sent by their own Jewish governments to fight Russia in the same manner. Because they're all natural-born slaves and retards.
>>544621524I don't want them to keep killing each otherI just want dead russians
>>544621524Not alone. I know Russians and Ukrainians (and Estonians) in US. Had good banter with all while working with them.Competent sw engineers which makes we wonder why 70% of H1Bs were from India when there are much smarter IQ regions in the world.It's like billions in kickbacks were involved.
>>544627225To be fair, "Ukrainian" was not really a singular thing until it was standardized in the late-1800's. Ukraine was many different regions/dialects. Some more similar to Belarus or even Poland. Some more similar to Russia. With many other groups.Most people associate Ukraine with Cossacks, but Cossack is a Turkic word and Cossacks were multiethnic and included Crimean Tatars and Russians. Ukraine is a relatively modern creation. The Russians ironically helped to create the concept of Ukraine to break it away from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Then Poland, Germany, and now America have been trying to create Ukraine to break it away from Russia. Although most of Ukraine was really created by the Bolsheviks who seem to be utterly retarded.>>544627224>The Cossack Hetmanate existed as a nation state for hundreds of years before imperial Russia.The Cossack Hetmanate only came into existence with support from Russia. It immediately became a vassal of the Russian Empire until it became part of the Russian Empire.Ukraine as we know it is a much later creation.
>>544632616When the war ends and survivors return home, there will be hell to pay for what they did.Wouldn't be surprised if we see FPV drones flown by veterans into Bugattis post war (if those in charge of this war stick around in Ukraine)
>>544633773Only like 50,000 Cossacks sided with Hitler, like 5% to 10%.Only 200,000 Ukrainians in total sided with Hitler. But after the war the USA and Israel kept them well funded to use as spies inside the USSR.
Slavs are white skinned niggers. Let them all die.
I think claims of casualties are vastly overstated by each side. Such a war should have collapsed one of the two sides by now.
>>544621524From the point of view we have two basically white nations killing each other while brown people kill France and other western nations it's a fucking tragedy especially.
