German engineering isofficially dead.>Builds the tallest wind turbine ever made>Taller than Eiffel Tower>The capacity is 3 MW>They've used up all the steel for a fucking 3 MW shitty turbine>A food waste of a small town would generate 15x more capacity in biomassI understand if they made those chink turbines that makes 16 MW per turbine, But Germany is struggling to achieve even a 3 MW capacity and is forced to build massive megastructures just to accomplish that.
>>544655747What exactly was the point in putting it at that height anyway? Wind turbines already waste enough resources in their creation, this one wasted what looks like three times more. EROI makes wind turbines a literal scam btw. Any form of energy conversion that cannot survive without forced taxpayer donations cannot possibly be anything else. EROI is about to make oil a scam too. We're very close to approach 50/50 on it, meaning that 50% of the energy we get from what we use that oil for has to go into the equipment it took to get it to us. Beyond that, oil literally cannot sustain society.
Maybe they outsourced to cheap slav company?
>>544656035>What exactly was the point in putting it at that height anyway?More distance less noise.
>>544656035>What exactly was the point in putting it at that height anyway?The taller you go the more powerful the wind gets. It's very powerful. Everything past 200-250 meters can knock anything down. And it's constant, literally 24/7.
>>544655747wind turbines are like brownsthey make me puke once I see them
>>544656035Making them even more hideous than they already are. Extending the range from which they can ruin the vista of the landscape.Its effizient.
>>544656035Wind speeds are higher and more even further from the ground. There is hardly any windspeed at the ground at the boundary layer between the ground and air and a considerable speed up higher, so that causes uneven pitching torque on the bearing, causing inefficiency and faster wear. The second option is the consultant that the wind turbine manufacturers sent might have pushed for approval of the larger built both for better paycheck and to build something that might essentially be a proof of concept to boost the manufacturers portfolio.
At least they are spread out in case Germany is bombed again
>>544656146Based. This is the correct response.
Poltards seething about wind turbines and renewables never stops being funny
>>544656519Turbines are good but for a shitty 3 MW capacity, it's useless to build using all this materials. I doubt it would even be stable for a decade. The steel would begin to bend and become unstable.
>>544655747>Chinese makes 16 MW per turbineLIESthe whole wind turbine thing is 100% a scam, a racket, a criminal endeavour 100 fucking per cent
>>544656035EROI on turbines at least went up a bit in the past decade, but you are ultimately right.Source on oil? You’re meaning solely due to recent price hikes?
>useful wind turbine?
wind turbines are literal fake energy
>>544655747you can't heckin BURN THINGS FOR FUEL! It's heckin polluting the global warming climate change!!!!
>>544655747B-but there are already wind turbines in le background? this is just corruption, somebody wanted to buy a new lambo so they half-assed a pylon and taped a fan on top
>>544655747Crime against nature.Contaminated landscape.
>>544655747i read there was not a lot of wind or sun in germany so thats too bad
At least it makes you all seethe hard.
>>544656805the first stage is denial, the second stage is anger
>>544658084It doesn't. Funding and arming the Kiev's regime does.
germany is living in the past china is ahead of us
>>544655747government money is wasted on stupid shit, what's new?
>>544655747All that when you could have used 6, 500watt solar panels which would have taken less space and would have probably been more efficient.
>>544655747Wind power really is a scam and an eyesore to boot. It's low power and highly volatile/unpredictable in terms of output.As far as renewables go, solar and hydro are the ultimate way to generate electricity.A well managed country should have like 50% power produced via nuclear, 30% via renewable solar and hydro and 20% via a mix of coal, gas and more exotic renewables like tidal and geothermal
>>544655747Theres no wind in Germany. Also its flat so can't hydropower, and cloudy so solar is fuck. And no high enthalpy rock so geothermal prospect is meh. The agricultural is mostly sand plain so biomass generation needs relatively high mineral input. Then there is a tiny bit of ocean, small waves, tides in a null - nope, nope, nope. Brown coal, not black, no hydrocarbon liquid, no gas, say hello greenhouse gases. Its like they rolled all 1's on being green. There's some perverse masochism here.
>>544656035pretty sure the steel comes from China. The whole green energy thing is a massive economy package for China. Blame retarded European elites for thinking they needed new tech to solve the expanding market problem and then going planned economy without any real plan.
>>544658327that's 3KW though. this times 1000 is 3MW. you'd need a 100 x 60 field of 500W solar panels. still not a lot, but an eye sore as well. just not from as far away as the wind turbine. sun is less reliable around here.
>>544658683Sun is non existent in Germany.
>>544655747Unlike the United States, Japan (and most of Asia) are net importers of nearly all forms of energy. So for them alternative energy sources are absolutely necessary AND a matter of national security. Remember, it was the US embargoing oil shipments to Japan that made them decide to bomb Pearl Harbor.(Also, the jew fears the savonius wind turbine.)
>>544658469what a retarded take, cunt
>>544658741Lower surface area. It's almost stationary in high winds. You need hurricane winds to even generate anything. Vertical wind turbines are very low efficient.
>>544656035To shred migrating birds
>>544655747It was dead before WW2 was even over when most of the bright minds defected to the US.
>>544658741This. Poltards are fifth column divide and conquer shills, they absolutely HATE decentralised energy sources that make individuals more independent and the state less prone to energy infrastructure attacks.
>>544655747chink turbines are insane tho. I've seen them also, plastered around the landscape. They look gargantuan and alien compared to the cuckturbines we use in europe.
>>544656146This so much I start crying uncontrollably too. Last time my wives boyfriend couldn't consolidate me no matter how hard he tried. The sight of a windturbine just broke something inside of me and I juwt couldn't stop screaming. My rabbi is right we should sabotage all mills until we can push through their ban.
>>544655747Why not make a kind of inflatable turbine? One that uses hydrogen and is anchored to the ground by power cables feeding into the grid. Not even helium, but hydrogen, something that is so fucking plentiful and cheap it'd be retarded not to use it. A giant zeppelin turbine. That's better than whatever this is, right?>hurr durr hydrogen is flammable and corrosiveGive me a better, more available, and cheaper gas. Get those and anchor them a mile high, swap out crews with a helo every few days to keep the structure maintained. It would never need to touch the ground. Like an airborne oil rig.
>>544658735nah, we had a good spring/summer and usually have a golden fall as well. solar is an option, just not year round. wind turbines are a massive scam and an even more massive nuisance. did you know they need energy to start rotation? we have a lot of these around here and i never see a bunch of them rotate in unison. the odd one might go too fast and be scary af if you have to drive past it.
>>544658861And you are an unwitting fifth column retard that wants to deindustrialize germany further, turning us into a poor agrarian shithole.
>>5446557473.8MW with very high uptime is very good performance for a 126m rotor. It's a test model in either case, if it works as they think it will they will install bigger 7MW units for the next ones. >>544656035Stronger and more consistent winds, it makes lot more energy than the surrounding wind turbines simply because it's higher up, something like 60-100% more. The consistency in particular is valuable, not just in absolute terms of literally more power per turbine but in particular for wind power sales environment where wind is most valuable when other wind isn't producing as much. The extra steel isn't exactly free but a lattice tower like that isn't all that expensive compared to the wind turbine itself. The real innovation isn't "just put it higher up" which is sort of trivial but the construction itself since you can't really go up that high with normal cranes, they used a telescopic extending tower instead.
>>544659093You guys never should have removed your nuclear power plants.
>>544659018When you factor in all the oil, labor, and concrete it takes just to build them, they actually use up more energy than they ever make. We'd be better off just shipping natural gas and using that for the next few decades.Green hydrogen could be great, but only if we produce it offshore where there’s tons of sunlight. Once we find a good replacement for platinum, fuel cells becomes cheap and we could just make methane, which is literally just hydrogen and carbon and ship that around instead.
>>544658943Yeah but the whole point of it is not to generate power. It's to extract money from government grants.
>>544659194No shit, Merkel did generational damage to germany
>>544659219Onshore wind typically pays it's energy cost back in about 6-10 months out of it's 20 year lifespan. 15:1 is a very conservative estimate on how much energy these things output per energy input. That is of course factoring in everything.
>>544659414The truth is wind energy is the most practical and theoretical best in energy production. But we need a better way to harvest that than what we have now.
>>544659093Those are large changes for western Europe. The Czechs were part of the communist bloc there's some accounting/classify things happening with these numbers.
Wind turbines are the biggest scam anywayWhy pollude the woods and country side with this ugly shit when less retarded alternatives make equally or more energy without destroying the woods? Just put solar on all public buildings and you produce 20x more
>>544659093Two things can be true at once my retarded little babby. Germany shouldn't have dropped nuclear, but that doesn't make pushing for renewables less of a good thing.
>>544659414What makes me curious are the actual production costs factoring environmental standards differences and the non-recyclable aspects as well as buffering loss and investment in additional infrastructure required ranging from batteries to cabling. These don’t seem to be factored in to most widely publicized analyses.
>>544659650>why pollute the woods and country with this shit when you can literally raze your entire landscape with coal digging instead
STOP making renewables NOW!!!You HAVE to be dependent on OUR gas and oil!!!
>>544656035there are higher winds up, and also not affected by the turbines down there... you can literally layer them one turbine down, one turbine up and each uses different wind
>>544659650Localised solar and battery is the best way. Tesla Solar tiles have made 5 times more energy than what is required.
>>544659093germany will drag us down, if their car industry stops we are fucked too because we make all kind of things for these cars
>>544659673>factoring environmental standards differences If you factor in these then renewables just automatically win, you don't even have to do real analysis simply because pollution is currently free when it should be expensive. If fossil fuels had to pay for carbon capture they would all instantly go bankrupt. >and the non-recyclable aspectsAll fossil fuels are non-recyclable. Most of the mass of a wind turbine is steel and concrete which is fully recyclable. The only "non recyclble" part of a wind turbine is the blades because they are a composite material. They still could be recycled if you wanted to but really why bother, they are non toxic and inert, essentially sand shaped in funny ways. 100% recyclability is a meme no one expects out of anything but wind for some reason. >batteriesWind doesn't require batteries.>cablingAll power plants require cabling.
>>544659699so just do what the bug people do and buy our cheap coal insteaddon't worry we get it from the uninhabited wastelands anyway
>>544659858What about the fiber glass? It literally poisons the surrounding air. There's no recycling that one.
>>544659719hmmmm if only there was a third position hmmmmm hmmmm
>>544659946Fiberglass is the blade. It's non toxic and inert and if you wanted to you could recycle it, there's just no point because fiberglass is just funny shaped sand, it's the same stuff ground is made out of. Even if you don't recycle it wind turbine is around 99% recyclable by mass. A fossil fuel power plant is maybe 1-2% depending on the fuel.
>>544659699Coal open mine pits are 0.49% of the German territory area.
Imagine being 8x outmogged by a fucking balloon
>>544660146>ackchually every 40th corner of our country being a barren wasteland is totally fine
>>544659653>but that doesn't make pushing for renewables less of a good thing.It pushes energy costs up and directly affects deindustrialization, high energy prices are one of the most important factors for industry competition.In 2025 alone China build coal energy plants with total capacity more then entire German energy production and now Chinese car manufacturers kill German car industry.
>>544660202Lol.
>>544655747Goymani is retarded lmao Anything but building a nuclear powerplant
>>544660217Actually from 98% of German land area you can't see coal pits. But you can see windmills from like 90% of the German territory.
>>544660243>It pushes energy costs upLiterally the opposite but of course it won't stop you from lying
>>544660313Nuclear is enemy tech. Jewish science.
>>544660243China is the world's leading producer of wind energy. In 2025 they installed almost twice as much wind as they did coal, accounting for something like 75% of worlds new wind power.>In 2025 alone China build coal energy plants with total capacity more then entire German energy productionThis is just blatantly not true.
>>544655747You can't really make them bigger because the tips would exceed the sound barrier, their current size comes close already
>>544660344wenn man mit memeflaggen in einen dialog geht dann kann das nur in einem disaster enden.
>>544655747Germany has never been a real country after world war 2, same with Japan.
>>544660380The turbine in OP isn't particularly large for a wind turbine. It's "only" 126 meters in diameter. The largest ones in China are over 300 meters. Those are the ones close to breaking the sound barrier.
>>544660380No retard. They placed a 3 MW turbine at that height. Even a 16 MW offshore turbine is placed 2 times lower.
>>544660350Shieee true i guess, better build uuh windmills and uuh oh nvm they demolished a coal powerplant
>>544658469are you stupid? >no wind>its flatthat alone is already contradictory.We do not have any easy solutions but we are far from an "energy-desert" like you want to pretendNuclear phase out was still the modern Dolchstoß for our economy. Danke Merkel
>>544655747Ugly as fuck. Europe is becoming a ugly shithole.
>>544660667Not saying Merkle is not to blame, but the anti nuclear sentiment stems from general German retardation and brainwashing which started since Chernobyl times. It's not like banning nuclear was an unpopular decision
>>544660344Die Gestehungskosten machen nur einen Anteil der Stromkosten aus. Der zusätzlich erforderliche Netzausbau verursacht die höheren Strompreise und wird erst an anderer Stelle mit aufsummiert. Ist aber auch nur schwierig genau zu bemessen, da sie recht volatil und je nach Netzbetreiber unterschiedlich sind (das Stromnetz ist ein unheimliches Rabbithole)
>>544660860>building out your electricity network is LE BAD No matter what angle people try to use to argue against renewables, it ends up sounding retarded.
>>544655747>WW3>Germany occupies France>puts a windturbine on top of the Eiffel tower>announcement to the French public: we like wind turbines IN GERMANY
>>544660344Hopefully Germany imports more Indian talent and they will teach you how to build industry.
>>544660667>t. delusional windlet
>>544660827yes true, but Merkel couldnt have done all the damage she did without the 68er-psyop-retardation.She is an evil Laborzüchtung from the comrades in the east to catalize the self hatred of the brainwashed west german libtards into an accelration of the collective demographic and economical suicide.>WEGEN MÄÄRKEL
>>544656035>EROI*blushes in weeb*
>>544658616>The whole green energy thing is a massive economy package for ChinaKinda, it's more about economic warfare against the US' oil producing enemies.
>>544660907I didnt say its bad. I'd even say that at this point it is very much necessary. Its just obejctivly costly, mostly due to bureuacracy (as everything gets more expensive because of it)
>>544659966The entire ATOMSTOP was a foreign psyops btw
>>544660434Yeah I know but naturally if it's high it could use a way bigger set of blades without them hitting the ground but there's no use since the tips blow up
>>544661156Nuclear energy sucks compared to renewable now. Maybe 40 years ago it was cheap but not now. It is good clean power much like hydro though, solar and wind are inconsistent and wind has a lot of harmonics etc in it
>>544660022>it's non-toxic and inertIt still doesn't break down over time, so if(when) one of those fails(and they do, spectacularly) you're going to be facing a MASSIVE multi-million dollar soil reclaimation bill to get rid of all the soil that's littered with fiberglass shards and flakes, all of which is also going to be going airborne straight into peoples lungs, or into their food after that now polluted field is harvested. >we had a windmill get hit by a tornado a couple years before covid, that thing got turned into dust and rendered several acres of prime farmland unuseable
>>544659653>Two things can be true at once my retarded little babby.They can't really when back in the context of reality, the people/ideologies demanding one or the other are opposed to each other as it stands. There is no large group advocating for both, so unless you want to start that yourself, you will have to choose between the existing fake kosher dichotomy of green or nuclear.
>>544660357In 2025 China commissonned 78 GW of new coal power capacity, plus they reactivated 80 GW of deactivated coal plants capacity
>>544661212>Nuclear energy sucks compared to renewable now.This is why France has cheaper energy then Germany and Germany constantly draws from French power grid to bail out temporary falls of renewables generation.
>>544661218Quite literally none of that is true.>>544661257Which is less than what electricity Germany produces and less than half of the wind China constructed in that year. In 2025 China actually produced less coal power than the year before because they made so much more renewables.
goymans are retarded
>>544661321Germany are retarded faggots as you know, they shut down all their nuclear before they had their renewable set up and then lost all that Russian gas so of course it's expensive. It's the retailers too, food example over here we are something like 95% renewable but we are charged approx 1000x the production cost just because the companies can
>>544656519>PolIt's /pol/, tourist
>>544655747This is POC for "wind blows harder higher you go"short for "burn EU funds like there is no tomorrow or someone else does"
>>544661341>Which is less than what electricity Germany producesGerman total power plants capacity is 290GW with 25% average utilisation, for 73GW average production.73GW of Chinese new coal power plants at 48% average utilisation produce 35 GW on average. If you include reactivated coal it's 75 GW.China installed 165GW of wind power in 2025, at average utilisation if 24% it's 39GW of average production.Gretta BTFO.
>>544659855it's a matter of time. german manufacturers for the car industry have closed shop and moved production to your place. you think this is sustainable? you think 'le ebin evil germanz' did this? kek.
>>544661341It is very much true. Just use google you retard
>>544661692Germans voted for it, this has been a very long time coming
>>544661611>If you include reactivated coal it's 75 GW.China produced less coal power in 2025 than it did in 2024. Not much of a "reactivation". This "reactivation" is just an absolutely massive cope when they are in fact shutting down more coal than they are installing or "reactivating" combined.
>>544661792germans voted to have their jobs removed? i'm sure, you are equally responsible for what happens in your hellhole.
>>544655747>>544658168>Ming Yang Smart Energy (MySE 16-260)>16 MW 260 Meter diameterPurely an offshore installation, meaning you're comparing apples and oranges.And that 16MW turbine is still gay as fuck.
>>544655747isn't that thing going to get pwned by lightning?
>>544661860The average GE Vernova turbine is a bigger capacity than your shitty turbine.
>>544661874DIN IEC 61400-24
>>544661874It's made largely from metal, which is a good conductor, but failing that you could install a lightning rod, which they did, and do, on everything, just to be sure.
>>544655747German engineering was a fucking meme to begin with, over complication =/= competence.
>>544659699And? I never said im pro brown spast
>>544661859Yes, you voted for energy destroying policies for like 2 decades. You laughed when people said the oath you're on. It's actually going to get way worse for Germany because you'll have all the shit down industry plus all the fucking Turks and Syrians wanting gibs
>>544656035>Previous studies have documented significant performance losses associated with forested inflow conditions. For example, Ref. [12] reported that a forested fetch can reduce turbine performance by 30% due to forest-induced changes in wind flow and increased turbulence.
>>544661964What are you pro then, retard>brown is le bad >renewable is le badLet's build up nuclear for the next 20 years while gaining 0 new more electricity losing even more relevance?
>>544661906Did anyone claim it was a large turbine, or the largest, or anything but an irrelevant piece of shit on a less niggered Eiffel tower?>besides the OP maybe, who is a faggot like youIt employs a Vensys 126 wind turbine, and Vensys makes wind turbines up to 8MW.
>>544662131>brown is le badI mean brown IS bad. Especially the people.
>>544661951is there a 'hungarian industry norm' that regulates standards? are you complaining about 'german cars' or all engineering? german engineering is team work and adherence to aforementioned standards. it's a system that involves education and requires a functioning society background. we still have the schools. t. chemical plant design family
>>544655747>>544656035>>544658431Russian glowniggers still peddling their Goyil. Yess please donate more money to Muslims and Russianiggers.
>>544662138Google the biggest wind turbine in the world. Germany is literally advertising everywhere like it's their biggest engineering achievement. It was completed last month.
>>544662043Kek so buy land upwind of a wind farm and plant trees
>>544662198It is big, it's probably impressive to see but the world has some pretty amazing marvels, nobody cares about a windmill on some glorified scaffolding
At this point just go back to coal and natural gas
>>544655747it's very said
>>544662194Have you ever fucking tried to fix VW personally? I did and all I say a fucking Trabant from 1970 still can go perfectly well unlike the fucking 2003 VW golf.
>>544662002nah, i think you are trying to manifest a reality biased by some inexplicable antipathy. 'germans' of the thinking sort did not vote for the removal of nuclear energy. quite to the contrary. the whole 'nuclear no thanks' movement is ..well, jewish. can you guess the end goal in this? are you aware what massive wealth transfer switching off nuclear was? the energy jews got paid for lost revenue. did you vote for a tide of migrants that don't match culturally? for billioniares to build bunkers?
>>544656519Kill yourself anti-nuclear niggerkike.
>>544662292yes, i owned a 1979 golf. and an octavia before that. never a trabant. too snobby for that. we do have quite a few trabants driving around here. makes me smile, but stinks too.
>>544662371>being pro renewable means you're anti nuclear A sign of a low iq retard thinking this
>>544662256Germany has neither in it's reserves.
>>544662256They have this monster machine digging up farmland to burn peat. They've destroyed entire villages etc it's unreal
>>544662131He literally advocated for solar you faggot kike.
>>544656035Anon your talking points are 15 years out of date. Wind turbines are one of the cheapest sources of electricity per megawatthour and have been for a long time. Even wind at sea doesn't get subsidies anymore. The construction cost is miniscule compared to the generated electricity over the liftime, yes that includes the energy needed for creating the steel beams and fiberglass blades.Nuclear is the most heavily subsidised and least economical form of energy btw. And NEVER pays itself off overr its liftime.
>>544662462You are anti-nuclear though, and probably a russian shill. Everyone knows the "renewable" germany is completely reliant on russian gas, oil and coal thanks to denuclearization. That's why you faggots needed to have Sleepy Joe close the tap for you.
>>544662635>you are nuclear though >no I'm not we should build out nuclear and renewables>REEEE YOURE LYING lmao The best network is some nuclear powerplants for a base output with the rest being provided by renewables.
>>544662596>>544661321
>>544662596Why can't we live in a world where people use nuclear and green energy? I want EVUROPEAN solar panels and windmills and western Nuclear facilities. I'm tired of the west having to pay trillions to brown arab jeets in the middle east or the kikes in Russia for Goyil.
>>544662542in some places near here it used to look like the surface of the moon right behind the back garden fence. they've done a pretty good job terraforming this into a lake landscape. marinas now even. those villages are gone though, the communities sacrificed for line must go up.
>>544658741Savonius rotors are complete and utter trash attractive to the gullible because it looks high tech. Poor aerodynamic performance, high dynamic stresses and unsafe due to the active brakes needed (a normal turbine can pitch its blades into the wind and stop generating torque in seconds, no active brake needed).
>>544660667Wind is typically helped by hills and mountains my guy its why wind turbines are usually built along ridgelines. Flat land means poor atmospheric variation consequently poor turbine wind - I'm guess you're thinking the ocean is flat yes but water creates a heat engine boosting wind. Brown coal could be energetic I agree. Maybe low head hydro its a 500m drop south to north
>>544662635>Germany was literally ruled by KGB plants who ruined German energy industry and made Germany reliant on Russian gas in exchange for bribes from Putin
>>544661321This is why France has 115% debt to gdp and Germany only 63%. Nice cheap energy funded by the state debt. This is why mr memeflag loves nuclear, it serves the interest jew.
>>544656740>>544655747holy nigger tier intellecz there are many 15mw offshores already built, that one probably just a test project to see whats possible on land and whether its worth it or not to build to a certain height
>>544662774You really should take a look at a wind resource map sometimes.
>>544662699oh, we still use nuclear energy, only now we purchase it from our merchant neighbours. we also use a lot of green energy. basically an ideal world here. we still need to pay the jew though one way or other. there's no avoiding that, innit.
