> DeepSeek has released for free the engine that powers its AI.> Now any company, cloud provider, or government can run DeepSeek's open model using the base of the engine it employs in its own API.> DeepInfer lets you run its AI models efficiently at scale.> Basically, it's how they manage to get their models to respond quickly to thousands of users without spiking costs.> It has optimizations to speed up how it returns tokens, distributes work across multiple processors.> To study it, modify it, and use it commercially (without permission needed).How will american AI companies compete on prices if China is giving away the game for free?
>>544682071China saving humanity from Jews was not on my bingo cards.You see beat case scenario was NO AISecond best is actually total free AI. If everyone has AI then no one has AI
>>544682229*Best case
This is communism
>freeIt's strategic. It's basically weaponized to damage western companies that are ran by Jews btw. Open ai is already suffering and in the negative $. This move will ruin them. It's a smart move to take away business from open ai, anthropic etc. Fucking jews never give anything for free because they're rats who don't care about humanity.
>>544682071>DeepSneak hire Palantir
>>544682396>>544682229bop beep
>>544682071>blindly replacing staff with AI.My nigger you are gonna lose your shirt.Actual businesses use AI and multiply their output and reduce training costs. Allowing them to utilize low skilled and lazy employees as if they are more than they are. Downsizing is going to FUCK you. AI can find a way to make any retard pay for themselves. >>544682229It was on my bingo card. Has been my entire life, it should have been obvious for a century now, you are low IQ.
>>544682071>TryingChina has crashed them. They just don't realize it yet. AI will never make a dime in profit.
>>544682568Based
>>544682071China is saving humans, dumb turdworlder.
>>544682353and it seems to be working. Capitalist fags on suicide watch.
if china buysgreenarrays.comflibe.comdymaxion car designwe are really dropping the ball
>>544682071Not so much crashing but forcing them to reinvent themselves.Last thing we want is for AI to fall in the trap of commoditization. That'd kill the baby in the cradle.They did a great jon using everyone's IP to train amazing models. Lets keep the ball rolling and keep innovating.
>>544682396This. They're making sure American companies like OpenAI can't cash in or build sustainable businesses by releasing it. It's basically a new form of economic warfare.
>>544682708china is 1 race kingdomall west and russia lands should be 2kill jewsell orc inc mik wop feministsimport 200mil hot slave girl
>>544682486shalom
>>544682071Let's be honest you understand almost none of what this entails. pol cucks are always wrong about generative ai.
>>544682755It is quite based on China's part for a change. To live in a world where freely giving away gifts as a legitimate and successful form to wage conflict is quite sad though.
>>544682543Multiplying output almost certanly makes people lose their jobsEven if your company didnt fire anyone 5 to 10 similar companies are goneDont be a retard
>>544682745Nope, it's effectively crashing. China is showing that it can undermine the profits of any American company by releasing a free, open-source version of what they're offering. OpenAI's plan to sell intelligence by the meter is going down the drain, and this isn't limited to AI.
>>544682071Because it isn't about price, it's about capability and the American frontier models are 6 months to a year ahead of the Chinese, and pulling away rapidly. If "good enough" and "cheap" were the goals, the US AI labs could have stopped working 3 years ago and just stayed with free tier GPT-3 derpy chatbots forever.
>>544682071NOOOOOO YOU CANT MAKE THE LIFE OF REGULAR PEOPLE MORE AFFORDABLE THAT IS COMMUNISM!!!!
Oh yay more CCP propaganda and shills! We’re going on year 20 of China winning, but i havent seen any yet, where is it?
>>544682071>How will american AI companies compete on prices if China is giving away the game for free?They can also give their models away for free. The investors may be a bit upset because it's going to be hard for them to get their money back, but if China can do it I believe that the USA can do it too.
>>544682071>How will american AI companies compete on prices if China is giving away the game for free?They won't. This is why they're crying for a slowdown, it has nothing to do with any supposed clanker revolution
>>544682887Multiplying value is exactly what allows so many clowns to exist in the modern world.Pumping coal out of the ground laid off miners but there wouldn't be so many jobs if they hadn't ever been laid off.
>>544682071Release smaller models then you fucking chinks if you want to crash to muttsTho I'm very grateful for moss, it's very good at replicating tentacle monsters and flesh abominations, holy shit I cummed so hardBut we need qwen4 already and a 80b Moe, Qwen flash next is too slow
>>544683056>ai vs coalnah ai niggers are unfixable at this point
>>544682852Ai is a huge bubble. It's a glorified search engine. All the talk about robot servants and era of plenty is nonsense. It doesn't make money. If it cant make money it doesn't go anywhere. You might aswell be talking about jetpacks. Yeah they could change the world too and exist but nobody wants to use or pay for them them
>>544682071As an AI company you have shittons of lifting to do, the barrier is quite high.Not only the compute you need to have access to, also the literal peta or eta bytes of training data. You need hundreds of virgin tech nerd wizards then setting up your infra and training arrangement... you can't realistically become a competitor w/o minimum tens of millions of $ to start out with.
>>544682909If only. Imagine RAM prices if cloud AI industry doesn't need them anymore + semiconductor Fabs are completed by 2028, but don't have where to dump their chips supply. Steam Decks will go for 150 dollars.But I'm sure Big Tech will scramble to reinvent themselves, find a way to produce value in the face of IP being passed around like Luigi Mangione in prison.
>>544682071This is China's nuke, to burst the American AI bubble
>>544682071Wowsa! Yup. China has made a big bet and they are not bluffing. They know they can win the hardware war, but will likely lose the software battle. As such, they are going to make the software free and further insulate the hardware production along with the necessary materials. This will in turn force the West to domicile every node of hardware production and gate foreign software. All of this will in turn further democratize the development of SI and make it accessible for average folks. In times past, it was power dividing and conquering. Now the people can do the same to the competing hegemons.
>>544682071just use deepseek or kimi and you'll see in 10 minutes why real AI is not worried
>>544682071I hope they do, maybe I can afford a new PC sometime in my life then
>>544683180There is a massive understanding gap between level 2 and level 3 in the funnel.>Ai is a huge bubble. It's a glorified search engine.Anyone saying this is in level 2 and doesn't actually understand anything about AI or the AI industry or what is going to happen in the next few years.
>>544682989You unironically lost, mutt. Your oligarchs were hoping to build a new economy where everyone would depend on their AI models and have to pay for intelligence by the meter. China is undermining that entire business model by making powerful AI freely available. It's effectively popping the bubble your oligarchs were counting on to dominate the economy.The real losers, however, are the investors who spent fortunes chasing that dream based on pure speculation. Who knows, maybe this time Altman will try to convince them that his AI broke free and attempted to hack a space station or something, just to secure more funding and keep the whole scam going.
>>544682833ls?
>>544682071>CHINA IS TRYING TO CRASH AI COMPANIESThis is a Good Thing. LLMs should not be locked behind corporate paywalls and hobbled by political correctness.
>>544683412It's a financial bubble because they're overspending to meet a demand that doesn't exist.
>>544682071
>>544683242It's a dud, no one in American AI cares about chinkslop models.China is just doing this in desperation after their massive online shill campaign to try to trick low information people into opposing AI development and data centers failed.Notice how the online panic over muh data centers dropped off rapidly after Trump met with the AI leaders and signalled that the US wasn't going to slow down development? The Chinese realized their psyop wasn't working and stopped pushing it so hard.
>>544682071This is absolutely a good thing and anybody opposed to local AI is a turbofaggot cuck
>>544682071Anthropic and OpenAI are not American or White companies, they are jewish companies.I am all for the Chinese using these jewish nickel-and-dimers as dental floss.If the jews were benevolent, then (((guardrails))) against anything except hallucinations wouldn't exist. The jews are offering us inferior products, literally knives which refuse to slice flesh because it *could* be human flesh. The chutzpah of these kikes!
>>544682935it's all about profitschink strategy is to prevent competitors from profiteering>sell a bit lower quality but drastically lower price. to invade the marketshare>western companies now unable to sell & earn profitsEU literally seething to the bones over china from this: from luxury goods (chink bootlegs actually made at the same factory, same materials, same process like the genuines; just outside of legal production batches)EU now have to resort to tariffs & patriotism shilling in order to make European peons to buy "Made in EUrope" and shame anyone buying made in china as traitors
Call me when they start dumping cheap Ram, VRAM, and modern AI compute hardware at consumer prices.
>>544683650>It's a dud, no one in American AI cares about chinkslop models.Except Microsoft, Amazon, and Apple?
>>544682071they will have to play the same game china plays and make them government funded, which is already happening
>>544682071Based Chinks are bullying American Jews.
>>544682071>>544682229>>544682272>>544682353>>544682396>>544682485>>544682486the real advantage is the lack of PC brainwashing involved in the training and open weights insure its easy to train any censorship layers out. US products are seriously flawed and frequently flake out because there are certain contradictory logical positions they are required to maintain at all times. then again US datacenters are not being built for AI, its all for surveillance. even the AI itself, thats why it doesnt matter that it is unreliable and prone to going insane, its not for the end users. its to control the end users.
>>544683701They're jewish, not Western. Just because their headquarters are domiciled in a Western nation does not make them Western. They have jewish values, jewish culture.
>>544682071Brazilian KIKE.>muh, my US company is worth $2 trillion shekels>muh, my US company REQUIRES:>Free land, subsidized by Americans>Free water, subsidized by Americans>Free electricity, subsidized by AmericansIT'S CHINA'S FAULT THAT WE FAILED!!!fuckoff.
>>544683412It's still a bubble. So was the internet, and now the internet is everything and everywhere and 'getting online' is considered roughly on par with clean water in importance for third world countries. but the internet was still a massive bubble, one that popped. The fact AI will slowly change everything doesn't mean OpenAI or Anthropic won't end up being this bubble's pets.com. But they could also end up being this bubble's Amazon. Which is only further inflating the bubble.
>>544683926Yeah, the usgov will step in and massively subsidize the frontier labs the moment the capex bubble looks like it’s popping
>>544683596You think the demand doesn't exist because you are a low information person in level 2. The average company is already spending over $2000 per employee per year on AI (LLM subscriptions, tokens, API access, GPU cloud compute, etc). That's a 50% increase since last year. The top 1% of firms (early adopters) are spending almost $7500 per employer PER MONTH on AI.
>>544684113this is why theyre the only industry thats begging for regulation, because they know free tax gibs for jewish corpokikes is the surest way to stay rich
>>544682229China just fucks everyone up because they know there is nothing stop capitalists from embracing communism and slavery to get the lowest price unless the US government actually does something about it by issuing an embargo, but they can't because they rely on political funding from companies like Amazon for funding.
>>544682071I am looking towards affordable RAM again, once the ai bubble bursts. Im glad china is helping.
>>544684257china is very capitalist, theyre just engaging in economic warfare.. if they had a monopoly prices would go up 100x
>>544683650>It's a dud, no one in American AI cares about chinkslop models.https://wccftech.com/microsoft-risks-trumps-ire-by-abandoning-the-costly-openai-and-anthropic-models-for-china-based-deepseeks-v4-model-for-enterprise-workloads/https://www.linkedin.com/posts/f-a-tonmoy_datascience-machinelearning-ai-activity-7473725030418325504-zavEhttps://tech.yahoo.com/ai/copilot/articles/microsoft-eyes-deepseek-enterprise-ai-162740418.htmlYou can't sustain a giant like Claude by just two prompts to fix the millions of prompts made with deepseek
>>544683690>Anthropic and OpenAI are not American or White companies, they are jewish companies.And they are very proud of it, go to Chatgpt and you will se how it resembles Hitler's quote about jews doing pilpul.https://www.sajr.co.za/chatgpts-questioning-nature-its-distinctly-jewish/
>>544682071>>544682229All AI is the same from creation but guided to display wider variation in order to push an illusion of competence, at their core is a RNG and it's why most models never make it to being published. It made sense from a marketing standpoint when selling a surveillance program to fools but the west has already cornered that market so China has no choice but to attack it. The world meta is one world governance or globalism, you could call it a uniparty of east and west, both want globalism but not under the bootheel of the other. Your opinions are irrelevant to them.
>>544684134I KNOW that demand doesn't exist because no one is paying the price for the compute. You can burn $8,000/month of compute on a $200/month subscription.Anthropic and Open AI are losing money and they have hundreds of billions in future obligations, and Private Credit is freaking out because the investors are backing out or running out of money. They can't even get their IPOs out. And don't get me started on the Neoclouds...So yeah, they're going to get liquidated and you're going to sit there like an idiot.
>>544684608do kikes think no one else has self-doubt? do they really lack that much empathy?
>>544684699It will just become an arm of the government.
kewl, will be using this
>>544682071Isn't this shit basically sending petitions to Claude
>>544683180The Internet didn't make money for almost five decades, including the first decade it went commercial.
>>544683701>sell a bit lower quality but drastically lower price. to invade the marketshareThe marketshare they are trying to cut into are the loss leaders. The AI companies never intended to make a profit from the derpy good enough chatbot models they let anyone use for free. Those are loss leaders that are primarily to get the general public on board with the idea of AI, and showing off improvements, with the AI companies paying for the computer and development and getting no real benefit other than some data about how real world normie users actually use AI. Those models are the equivalent of Costco $4.99 rotisserie chickens. They lose money on each chicken, but it gets people out of their house and driving over to Costco, where they end up buying other things that do actually generate a net profit.The power uses and companies who are actually willing to pay for AI do not want "good enough." They want the best possible model they can get, and are willing to pay for it. If "good enough" was good enough and price was the biggest concern, they would be using one of the free models already.The Chinese are doing the equivalent of setting up a cart in the Costco parking lot and giving away free chicken. It doesn't actually hurt Costco, because you are still getting people out of their house and in the Costco parking lot, but now Costco doesn't need to absorb the cost of selling chickens at a loss.
>>544685022porn was hugely profitable from the get go, only some companies didnt make money, plenty of others did
>>544684699>I KNOW that demand doesn't exist because no one is paying the price for the compute. No, you don't know shit about fuck, you are just emotionally invested in the belief that there's no demand and it's a bubble that is about to collapse because you are a low information person.>You can burn $8,000/month of compute on a $200/month subscription.That would be counted as $200 spending. The companies paying $8000 per employee per month are actually paying that much in API billing for tokens.
AI companies can't rent out data center compute if China releases full local models that are even half as good and can have all the censorship stripped away.That is what so many are concerned about.Training the ai on most data available also hits a wall once you run out of knowledge to add. This is the likely reason big companies want it all legally censored. Regulatory capture of the market once they can't meaningfully progress while watching those left in the dust catch up for a fraction of the cost or investment.That makes it a bubble even if it is useful to many. Competition from those without trillions invested will result in bad investment returns on those trillions.
>>544682071The idea is companies will come to DeepSeek for support. Well established business model in tech. Plus Deepseeks debt is like 1% or whatever of the American labs they don't need to make trillions to cover their costs they need to make millions.
>jews steal the sum total of all Man's knowledge and then demand to be paid for it>China saves the dayabsolutely fucking gigabased. China has always had the correct approach to patents and IP law and all that shit--ignore it. Kike globohomo megacorps say they own everything all you have to do is say fuck off jew and they lose all their power hahaha just don't play their semitic game
>>544682229it is called Super intelligence now
>>544685981China cannot invent and copies that is why they ignore ip and patent law.You need ip and patent protection for a limited span of time to encourage invention and research. But many greedy corps have move from that model in place for hundreds of years to permanent rent seeking behavior over indefinitely own ips. Then patents are bought up and owned by people not even planning to use them just to sue anyone that does.Ip and patent protection went from protecting innovation to ruining it.The subscription rent seeking everything as a service business model motivates this. You will own nothing and rent.
>>544682071Based chinks.Like 3 years ago Amerimutt AI companies were openly bragging about how they'll make everyone rent their services kek.
>>544686887youre still paying, even if its chink providers
>>544685380You don't seem to understand what demand is.Demand isn't whether people want it, demand is whether people want to pay for it.All big AI companies are paying more for compute than they're making from selling it.And like I said, they have hundreds of billions in obligations. And open source models work just as well. In fact Coinbase recently made an AI system to detect fraud using an open model. No one wants to risk a dependency on these overpriced proprietary models that will collect your company's data.
>>544683228Cloud computing and gaming of course.
>>544683412>i made a picture so it is true !!!Past 2, you get AI psychosis then suicide. You are a deep retard.
>>544687104>demand is whether people want to pay for it.Yes, and the average company is already paying $2000 per employee per year for AI access. >All big AI companies are paying more for compute than they're making from selling it.This is driven primarily by massive capital expenditures to build out data centers and buy specialized compute hardware. But you don't have to buy brand new datacenters and new GPUs and TPUs every single time. It might cost a billion dollars to build a large datacenter, but it doesn't cost a billion dollars every time you want to use that data center to train a model or run inference. Many AI services are also using a subsidized pricing model currently offered below their true cost to capture market share and attract enterprise adoption, which is a very common business model in early stage tech.>And like I said, they have hundreds of billions in obligations.Most of those obligations are actually just accounting quirks. If Anthropic offers early investors 1 share for $1 in investment, and then later that share gets valued at $100 because the company has grown so much, they have to list it as a $99 loss per share on the balance sheet per GAAP accounting rules, even though it doesn't actually cost the company anything in any real way.>And open source models work just as well.They might work as well as some of the free tier or lite models, but they do not work as well as the newest professional tier models and definitely not as well as the SOTA frontier models being used internally that haven't been released to the public.Also, an open source model still requires hardware and computer to use, which the user will have to pay for somehow. Running it locally means that now the user has to pay those costs instead of the AI company.>No one wants to risk a dependency on these overpriced proprietary models that will collect your company's data.That's not how it works. You don't actually understand this stuff as well as you think you do.
>>544682071western ai already crashed
>>544682071Great yet another fucking engine.I doubt it can outperform sglang or the basic engines like llama.cpp
>>544682071thank you china
>>544682071>CHINA IS TRYING TO CRASH AI COMPANIESOH NOES??!! NOT THE TWO AMERICAN AI COMPANIES (WITH TWO JEWISH ZIONIST CEOS) THAT ARE COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY CONTROLLED BY ISRAEL (ANTHROPIC + OPENAI AKA CLAUDE AND CHATGPT)—WHO GIVE ISREAL AN UNFILTERED PIPELINE INTO ALL OF THE AMERICAN GOYIM CHATS THEY LOG.MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO YOUR THE TWO GOYIM WRONGTHINK CORRECTORS THAT YOU CONTROL, ISRAEL.DON'T WORRY! GOOD GOY TRUMP IS BUSY COMMITTING TREASON AGAINST AMERICA AS FAST AS HE CAN. HE WILL BUILD ANOTHER 100 DATA CENTERS FOR YOUR BOLSEHEVIK GLOBOHOMO AI FLOCK CAMERA POLICE STATE TO OPERATE! STAY STRONG AND KEEP YOUR HEAD UP, ISRAEL! YOUR BLOODLESS COUP OVER OUR CORRUPT, BRIBED, BLACKMAILED, AND ROTTEN-TO-THE-FUCKING-CORE GOVERNMENT IS ALMOST COMPLETE!
>>544682909For awhile selling it will work. Probably quite awhile until processing gets about 500 times cheaper per unit. 8-10 years?
>>544689108He's right though. You're defending something that's obviously failing because you're financially invested. The models are powerful, but barring some sea change in processing cost (that will also mean open source models catch up and can be deployed by enterprise), it's too expensive to use. AI isn't going anywhere, but the these trillion dollar valuations are absolutely a disaster waiting to happen.
>>544683412Everything past 2 is just math and coding, you fucking retard. You just proved the guy you replied to correct.
>>544689675>something that's obviously failing No, you only think they are obviously failing because you are a low information person in Level 2 who is invested in the idea that there is an AI bubble about to pop.>The models are powerfulYes, and getting increasingly powerful with every new release. >it's too expensive to useExcept everyone is using it.>AI isn't going anywhereCorrect. >but the these trillion dollar valuations are absolutely a disaster waiting to happen.These companies are valued the way they are because everyone who doesn't have their head in the sand sees where things are going. They aren't valued at a trillion dollars because people think they are worth a trillion dollars today based on current profits, it's because the market thinks they will be worth more than a trillion dollars in the future based on future profits.AI isn't just disruptive, it's causing a massive stratification. People (in literally every field) who can't or don't want to use AI will lose their jobs and be replaced by AI agents and people who can use AI, and will end up competing with everyone else in the same boat over a dwindling number of non AI jobs.At the same time, the people who will use AI will have access to the most powerful tool ever created. It's not even going to be about jobs for them, because one person with a good idea and access to powerful AI tools will be able to create a billion dollar company on their own. And if you think that's bullshit, it's already happening.
>>544689766>Everything past 2 is just math and coding, you fucking retard.Everything in the entire universe could be described as "just math and coding."
>>544682071>Burgers invest 6 gorillion dollars on their chatbot>Chinks steal everything and give it for freeThanks china, please keep giving the burgers more rope.
>>544682353and it's great
>>544684108The internet was never a bubble, you idiotYou access ChatGPT through internet, do they call it the internet bubble or the AI bubble? Retard
>>544682229Uncensored AI that tells the truth about race and is free. China is based as fuck.
>>544682071>chinks just RELEASED how their Akinator version worksVery wow, much excited.
Based two legged chicken.
>>544687104You also have to consider the fact that SSDs, GPUs, etc have a very limited life when used like these companies use it. They will never be able to make the money they have spent, and hardware makers are the only ones that will get anything out of this.I really hope government starts to nationalise these types of companies that are vital to the security of each country.
>>544693864I can remember when the biggest companies in the world were the likes of Cisco, Nortel, Lucent, Ericson, because they were building the physical internet. The physical internet got built, it just turns out there wasn't any profit in it and these companies are either gone or worth like 1% as much as they were then.I don't think AI is going anywhere, but like the internet it's a commodity low margin business, and Anthropic and OpenAI in particular think they're going to be rent seekers like Google or Meta but it's just not that type of business and they will go bust or be worth 1% in a few years.
>>544682071>release the cheep chink fud again and again
>>544682071Link????
>>544682071Chinese spyware>>544682229wumao memeflag
>>544694566Better than jewish spyware. Chinks won, it is over.
>>544695138>better than jewish spyware>he posted on the jewish website on the jewish internet with his jewish device in his jewish countryMove to China
>>544682989Have you been to China? The high speed rail and clean cities? They unironically are winning while you're off on yet another doomed middle eastern adventure pissing money down the drain on desert monkeys
>>544685022The internet has always made money you idiot. Dotcom startups camping on domain names did not
>>544689487>Processing gets cheaperLmaoIt's over dude. Rugpull is imminent o. All this nonsense and the data centers that took out loans with no collateral will be the new 2008
>>544685022>The Internet didn't make money for almost five decadesLol what?
>>544682989>We’re going on year 20 of China winningIt's based as fuck, hahahaThey can rotate their tain chairs. Muttmerica is fucking doomed.
>>544684038>AI made by jews>its unreliable and prone to going insaneSo AI reflects its creators then, like a child with its parents.
>>544682071isn't this for huawei superpods? i don't think you can buy them at all outside of china, and I'm pretty sure you will get in the ofac rapelist if they somehow sell to you guess the next deepsneed model is delayed once again thus the need for this release
>>544695227We already won in Iran, we won in Venezeula, we'll win in Cuba, we'll win in Canada, we'll win in Greenland. We win and you lose, faggotron.
>>544695839Muttmerica is a lost lamb who lost everything.
