I'm a young Canadian Democratic Socialist and I want to have a real discussion about real policy. I'm a firm believer in Democratic Socialism.
https://x.com/IfindRetards/status/2011752524588748922https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moWe3rk7LzQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHRxu3XrsHgSome of their policies:>Abolition of White Supremacy>Gender and Sexuality Justice>Defund the police>Freedom for all incarcerated people>Demilitarize the police and end colonial policing of our cities and neighborhoods>Pass reparations legislation>End environmental racism>Guarantee queer-friendly and gender affirming healthcare>Allow trans minors to access gender affirming care without parental consenthttps://archive.today/eB44m
https://program.dsausa.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DSA_WDM2025Program_v2.pdf
>>544713123do you believe in evolution?
>>544713259Yes, and if you're making this a racial IQ thing, Dawkins already debunked these arguments in Ancestors' Tale.
>>544713123which caucus do you belong to? there's like 10 of them, tell me about it
>>544713123What's your stance on Indians?
>>544713123>I want to have a real discussionwrong century for that, nigger
>>544713414ah please link the study where genetics has been debunked
>>544713414>Yes, and if you're making this a racial IQ thing, Dawkins already debunked these arguments in Ancestors' Tale.is this also debunked? oh yeah, iq was debunked because a bunch of social scientists called the people who made iq tests racist which invalidated all the data and testing! (this is what the paper "debunking" IQ actually says, it makes no arguments, it just calls iq tests racist)
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>>544713504Show me a book by Dawkins that says Hitlerism is correct and true>>544713607Yes a random graph proves Hitler was right about everything.Notice you have zero arguments or facts.
>>544713607>is this also debunked?What do you mean by "also"? Why are you accepting his premise?>>544713695>Show me a book by Dawkins that says Hitlerism is correct and true>Yes a random graph proves Hitler was right about everything.>Notice you have zero arguments or facts.LMAO
>>544713695Different places have people with different IQs because different environments demand different survival skills, it's evolution just the same as height, skin color, lung volume, etc.
>>544713695dawkins himself admitted he was an idiot and christianity was better than his retarded atheism nothing matters bullshit. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2947860/richard-dawkins-has-some-regrets/also, look at what happened to Nobel prize winner Watson for saying genetics and evolution play a role in intelligence, they stripped him of titles and fired him from HIS lab. science has been political since the 70s (when they made it illegal to use IQ tests to place students in california because so many blacks were legally retarded)>>544713771>What do you mean by "also"? Why are you accepting his premise?i'm saying his premise is ridiculous
>>544713923If you're genuinely trying to argue for legit racism then that's just silly and unserious.
>>544713123ok. adopt anti immigration policies and rightwingers will probably never win again for 2 generations.
>>544713455>no responselarper OP confirmed
>>544714048I'd compromise on every economic principle i have before immigration
>>544713455>>544714089He's Canadian. He's not claiming to be a member of the DSA.
>>544714015I'm a national socialist. I believe every people should have their own country so they can have their own culture, art, and right to self determination. They should also be allowed to enjoy their country without outsiders invading their spaces.
>>544714141with the caveat that africa, the americas, and oceania are PVP servers
>>544713123>I'm a young Canadian Democratic Socialist and I want to have a real discussion about real policy.What you want doesn't matter. Within a matter of a few years, there will be more jeets in New Jeetland (your country) than there are white Democratic Socialists. You will lose, and it will become just another India. You're fucked.
>>544714015>then that's just silly and unserious.Pic rel, you can't just use scare words like "racism" to dismiss your opponents' arguments as invalid
>>544714111Have fun winning over the working class as they watch their homes be enshittified and cut up for parts by your immigration policy
>>544714432pretty sure we are talking to a jeet
>>544714432Yes im sure cutting immigration, the driver of economic growth in a stagnating economy, and watching wages and GDP crash into oblivion will definitely help the working class.Poor people who adopt racism as a cope are idiots of the billionnaire class.
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>>544714319I am literally born in India
>>544714467>Head bobbling intensifies >Saars, you need usLol, LMAO even
>>544714111Cool, can i have your house, retirement funds, childrens college tuition, and all your livestock and your daughters as well?Im basicallysponsoring immigrants that want sharia law, theyll settle for nothing less than raping your women and burning your house down
>>544714141What about provinces?Germany was made up of many different sub cultures within Germany. Why didn't he give each province or Lunder their own autonomy to run themselves? Why did he try to forcefully unify them even further
>>544714557Even Trump supporters think people who are wealthy enough to have all those things should be taxed to death.Why should the elites get to have everything?
>>544714544>Head bobling intensifies >SAARS, do not redeem>Dies of dysentery Lol, LMAO even
>>544714579Did you forget to study german unification?
>>544714467>the driver of economic growthlolLmao
>>544714513>>544714550corporations literally fund far-right parties, they funded Hitler into power. Hitler was funded by industrialists, he supported a total ban on immigration and remigration.
>>544714621it's a jeet, he's just making shit up
>>544714467>the driver of economic growth in a stagnating economy1. Wrong, the driver of economic growth is the juice being worth the squeeze.2. Immigration for labor reasons is basically indentured servitude, especially when immigrants tolerate much more squeeze for much lest juice>who adopt racism as a copeHave you considered the possibility that we genuinely believe the things we claim to believe? You can target billionaires for the damage they do without ignoring other damaging forces in society. Also, billionaires use immigration to keep the working class down, so blocking immigration is a valid anti-billionaire defense.>>544714460No reason not to have a fair discussion
>>544714579>>544714609>Saars, do not redeemLol, LMAO even
>>544714621No, that was relatively recent. 1871 and that was because Bismarck orchestrated a war to force it under military necssisity.If each province can be united under one leader, why not have every european nation united under a pan-european system?
>>544714645That much is obvious, check out this retarded ass word salad, lmfao: >>544714609Cant even respond to the existiential threat that literally threatens his country as much as the west, go figure; he's just part of the bandwagon effect amd ignorance is blissWhat a stupid fucking thread
>>544714644>Head bobling intensifies >Saars, listen to me saarsLol, LMAO even
>>544713123What is your response to the Economic Calulation Problem?
>>544714676>Saars, do not redeemLol, LMAO even
>>544714650>No reason not to have a fair discussiontrying to have a fair discussion with someone who is throwing around bullshit ends up being an exercise in>it takes an order of magnitude more effort to refute bullshit than it does to create it
>Hitler was funded by industrialists, he supported a total ban on immigration and remigration.
>>544714691Your whole view is incoherent.You guys supported Trump for running against the homeowning elite, those who were wealthy enough to have the things you mentioned because they used finance and international commerce to enrich themselves.Now you're defending Trickle Down Economics of the globalist eliteYou have no ideology, just blind devotuion.
>>544714676Yes, please apply your retardations to all the problems your own shithole country as muxh as this oneYours has militant sepratists; be it kalistan, sri lankans, pakistanis, muslims and sihks in general hate each other but they hate hindoos moreThe north hates the south in your countryEast westEven christians around goa get routinely persecutedCrazy how that works, sorry aboriginals, we colonized you and all: time for round 2, with more indiansFunny how that worksCraaaaazy how all those german provinces wereFucking germansI know, insane to imagine
>>544714739It's worth the effort for the sake of everyone reading the exchange1/2
>>544714650>No reason not to have a fair discussionA discussion requires the other be sentient and basic knowledge of a subject. The jeet you are humoring lacks both, and amounts to a gibbering monkey begging for food.
>>544714644>corporations literally fund far-right partiesObviously not true.>>544714644>they funded Hitler into power. Hitler was funded by industrialistsMyth.https://odysee.com/@keithwoods:e/fascism-capitalism-in-decay>he supported a total ban on immigration and remigration.The men who defeated Hitler didn't support mass migration from the third world into the west either.
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>>544714814>Saars, do not redeemLol, LMAO even
This new generation has all kinds of braindead flatline sophistry jammed in their heads. But it's worse than merely being raised by nitwit ideologues. They're obsessed with symbols of "ultimate evil" like religious zealots yet still fancy themselves "realistic".There are forums online for discussing "policy". This one is for metapolitics.
>>544713123National socialism is the only coherent form of socialism. Voting opens your system to subversion. Other races open your system to subversion.
>>544714840true, i could legally take my posting career on a date and fuck it, so i guess i'm not as passionate as i used to be about doing things for the lurkers
>>544714843That's too dehumanizing lmaoAnybody can be sentient with enough effort
>>544714467Not to be that dude but please just read Marx. He literally discusses this in the context of the Irish and English. Endless immigration is a capitalist scheme to undermine the power of labor and has been for as long as the struggle between labor and capital has existed. The American left’s insane attachment to defending any and all immigration is INSANE to me and so detached from economic realities *or* economic philosophy. The entire leftist economic proposal is one of exercising the collective power of labor against capitalist elites - when you dilute that labor base with people who are willing to work for low wages and have been better educated than native born population, you cause economic turmoil in the form of erosion of native working class and lower class individuals, and accumulation of wealth to the capitalist class.This is basic economics, and I wish more leftists would actually give a damn about it. We can respect the human dignity of immigrants while also acknowledging that they are economically harmful to the working class. It does not need to be a binary choice between deport-a-palooza and “gates open come on in!”, and the fact that our discourse has been forced to that point is 1000% a construct of the capitalist elites who want workers who are better educated and socially conditioned to work harder for less money. For accessible contemporary reading on this I highly recommend “The End Times” by Peter Turchin. I don’t know if o would explicitly define them as a leftist, but their analysis of class struggle and civilizational cycles of elite overproduction echos Marx and other leftist thinkers very closely.
>>544714709The Economic Calculation Problem is true to some extent, we would need some form of markets and trade for price discovery. However, there's no reason to assume that it is the be all end all of resources allocation because it ignores externalities, duplication issues, the effects of advertising, etc.Mises Institute people argued governments can never ever create economic value because they are not a market participant subject to profit/loss, but multiple examples prove this not to be true. Bukele increased economic production by running a giant anti-crime operation to lock up thousands of criminal gangsters. It was a Federally funded program that yielded BILLIONS in wealth generation. If you take the Austrian School too seriously, they would say it's impossible for governments to generate wealth in any way.Another example is euthanasia, euthanizing those who are complete parasites is very cost efficient but can yield major gains.Taxing advertisements is another example. Two companies spend real resources to simply convince customers to ignore the competitor. It's real resources used in a conflict over convicning a customer to choose a certain product. Markets can be useful but they are not always the best allocators of resources.
>>544714814>replied with a non sequitor>i literally never stated my beliefs>here you are, making them up and presenting them for meAmazing logicAnd indeed i have no ideology to concur with because i never specified of it itt; that was irrelevant to the problems you people placate simply bh being useful idiots to a system of predatory debt and license to exploit, amazing how that works: its not a reapector of persons and everyone lives under occupation deapite their bloodline homelands and citizenry objecting to notions of liberal democracy shitass faggotry, faggot
>>544714829This is retardation.Yeah, they were all Germans, and all Europeans are... EUROPEANS, and all humans are... HUMAN.Why draw the line at nation and not continent, or planet? Also, Canada literally has separatists in Alberta and Quebec right now.>>544714840Everybody in that thread needs to learn to write.
>>544714933You can even see old-school Marxists trying to reduce the population to increase the leverage per worker among the remaining workers
>>544714644Nice, missing the VATICAN one of the greatest roots of all fucking evil in all of historyCrazy how that worksPeople flee to the new world and catholic continue killing protestants who just finna worship God in their native tongue n sheeeeitBut please, continue lecturing on our history and nations and blood to affairs and conjecture you javent a fucking clue or incling aboit; truly facinating to behold
>>544714840>>544714861Humoring a jeet babbling is not exposing shills to normies. It is encouraging the jeets behavior and feeding it izzat. The only way to deal with a jeet is unrelenting ridicule, no exceptions.A loony troon, or kike trying to smear with association and exaggeration is a completely different thing.
>>544714933>He literally discusses this in the context of the Irish and English. Endless immigration is a capitalist scheme to undermine the power of labor and has been for as long as the struggle between labor and capital has existed.Please read Milton Friedman or Mises. Immigration enriches the worker, not the capitalist. It boosts GDP which pulls up wages.The reason you're citing Marx, something even socialists don't do, is because you were never educated on economics or history.If you actually read history, economics, science, SELF-EDUCATE, you wouldn't say these things. You can shit on universities all you want but at least try to educate yourself with books.
>>544714993>Why draw the line at nation and not continent, or planet?The variation within humanity is enough to make mixing unwise, you wouldn't expect a canary to live like an owl or a stork. If the differences between humans didn't matter, every race would have built the same civilizations as one another.
>>544714141>I'm a national socialist. I believe every people should have their own country so they can have their own culture, art, and right to self determination. They should also be allowed to enjoy their country without outsiders invading their spaces.Why? That's just silly, and it's not how reality has ever worked.
>>544714945The economic calculation problem is 100% solvable with modern technology. It was likely solvable 30 years ago even, but today with AI and near universal personal electronic devices capable of mass data harvesting and direct polling? It’s just a matter of building out the centralized system and political willpower. A modern day cybersyn or collectivized economic planning engine compared to Amazon assisted by AI and/or modern algorithms could run an economy without price inputs.For more reading on this, I recommend “The People’s Republic of Walmart”, which argues (at the time it was written which was pre-AI even), that in many ways we already *do* live in a planned economy that is increasingly post-profit, it’s just one dominated by vertically integrated multinational corporations and not democratically elected governments.
>>544714959Holy fuck you're retarded.You said "is it ok for me to take your house, livestock, college fund"?My whole ideology is to hurt the people who have those things, and that's exactly what you guys pretended to want to do as well before you got cucked and became useful retards for the mortgage holding homeowning scum who look down on you.
>>544714609Maybe they should vote for someone who will tax the billionaires, instead of the billionaire who will give billionaires tax cuts
>>544715084Each German province was also different, so why unite as a nation at all?> If the differences between humans didn't matter, every race would have built the same civilizations as one another.Completely untrue.
>>544714993>why draw the lineNigger you fucks cant even draw these lines withoit arbitrary rockerfeller et.al. educational psyops limiting you to platos gopncave of perceptionI literally stipulated the elephant in the room for your little hitler rant: THE FUCKING VATICANbane of all evil, and its not just themNo many more and secret societies too, might want to lurk before you continue embarassing yourselfThere are no fucking nationstatesThere are holding corporations and theatres for plebs called POLITICS
>>544714929>That's too dehumanizing>Post jeet babbling
>>544715098What if "my people" are not those within "my race"? What if I hate most people within "my race" and I have selected different individuals as "my own people"?Why should I put the nation first if it doesn't benefit me? What reason would anyone have to do that? What reason would you have to do that?
>>544715116You should actually study economics and history, don't shit on people who read books just because Universities are woke. You should read books like Picketty, Friedman, even the Bible, just read. Don't shit on people who read, READ
>>544715167You are embarassing and conspiracy brained.
>>544715107read my caveat post directly after it
Cargo cultists of National Socialism are no different from the disparate races and nations who want to burn down European civilization under the banner of Communism because the jewish financiers are telling them it was Whiteys fault. But do make not that as these fools in both ideological mental ruts trade meaningless barbs the ancient nobility rests above them peacefully. War continues to be peasant against peasant, not peasants against kings. Such a shame.
>>544715066>It boosts GDP which pulls up wages.Magic boomer number, literal Conservative talking point
>>544713123I live under democratic socalism. It's not as bad you'd think. Got my neetbuxx and bought a new gaming mouse.
>>544715222So then it's nonsense, and just wishful thinking on your part.
>>544715289isn't that how every political movement started?
>>544715124>immigrates hereCool, now i have a housing crisis exacerbated by (((you))) and speculative investors>immigrates hereCool, now suddenly cow is off the menu because its so sacred and holy to shit eating idolators- among other things like the carrying capacity of your shithole versus ours; ever wonder why your's lacks civic sense? Cool, so now its all our problem to continue feeding you and everyone else because your people are literally too fucking stupid to stop polluting into every ecosystem YOU ALL DEPEND ON AS MUCH AS THE WILDLIFEplease continue shitting on wasaga beach though, that was priceless>immigrates here- or just attends as an "international student"Cool, personal story, i couldnt attend instrumentation tech at NAIT because 50% of the class was reserved for INTERNATIONAL STOOOODENTSCrazy how that works!
>>544715150Germans presumably thought that Germans were similar enough, which is up to them and their problemI do not believe that different races are similar enough. Even within races, Mixing Germans with Frenchmen or Japanese with Chinese is probably too far. Even mixing all those Germans together flattened their differences somewhat. It's up to those Germans to decide if unification was worth the flattening.
There is no point in debating a communist because they already start the conversation by stealing your time
>>544715240This dumb chart has been debunked a million times.>>544715350I came here, invited by your own stupid government to fix the issues caused by YOU not increasing the population enough, and now im to blame?
>>544715066Ohhhh I get it now nice troll bro got me. not buying that a DSA follower just told me to go read Friedman and basically said “line go up = good” unironically lmfao
>>544715371The reason they united was out of geopolitical necessity. Bismarck baited the French into attacking so they all united as a singular State. Create a common enemy and use that to build a federation.Scare the people into giving up their communal autonomy for an autocratic federal imperial leader.
>>544715220No youre a retarded newfag and the entire consensus of this thread witnesses against you; as much as an entire 4plebs archive memorandum of proven conspiracyNote: its not a conspiracy theory when its in full fucking view presently and people SHED THEIR BLOOD TO DIE for what little freedoms there were worth fighting for-Like for example being able to read God's Word LiterallyJust being able to read the bible, the vatican said noHow intelectually dishonest are you in the face of such corrupt evil as the whore of fucking babylon- just goes to show how clueless and ignorant you are regarding the plague of their existance throughout all european historyClueless, like a child walking into a movie theatre halfway through and babbling on about WHO IZZAT SIRS??
>>544715437You literally told me to read Karl Marx, a communist that even leftists don't cite.You are a ragebaiter and nobody is taking you seriously. Rightwingers would never ever cite Marx in a serious way.
>>544713123Shut the fuck up faggot
With the end goal of socialism being communism, how do you explain the empirical record of constant failure as even china...begrudgingly...has implemented a capitalist market
Left and right reality tunnels are just two incommensurable language games purposely designed to end in war.
>>544713123>I'm a young CanadianINTO THE TRASH IT GOES
>>544715463>newfagYou literally arrived here within the last year.
>>544715186That confused, hurt, look on her face is the same look American farmers have under trump this year
>>544715473I’m not a right winger why would you possibly have thought that from what I said?
>>544714111>tell me you are jeet indian without explicitly stating so the post
>>544715405>i was invited here by xyzAnd you continue to ignore the stipulations of us living under an occupation, presently made possible by all the things you discount as conspiracySo againYou fulfill destiny as a USEFUL FUCKING IDIOT WOTH ZERO SELF AWARENESS, and thats by designHence why you got invited: too stupid to complain and oblovious to the exploits of us allYet i get to be the crab in the bucket because myself and others tried explaining the truth of the situation?No you take a giant street shitting on all that effort and deflect to blame and accuse like an absolute faggot, and tou refuse to changeYoure the literal embodiment of inport the third world: become the third worldHeres to ignorance is bliss, well done retard, hopefully someone can wipe your ass also when you inevitably shit the bedI dont even give a fuck, have my european homelands and have canada, make it new bahratistan for all i fucking care lmao
>>544715537Been posting since 2006, thanks for playing retard
Shitjeets are nothing more than the City of London's new preferred slave class and they are overwhelmed with pride to have been chosen for a dirty job indeed. And we're all forced to suffer them as a consequence of our states' occupation by The City's financial tentacles. No need for propaganda or debate. They're an invading army to the extent that they defend the ZOG's power over us.
>>544715509Theres a simple answer to that, but according to him its all conspiracy anywaus, despite the obvious- and your exampleHegelian dialecticTrue synthesis of communism and capitalism is what all these technocrat antichrists desireAnd theyll have their cake and eat it too when theyre all hiding in their bunkers from the Wrath of God
>>544715591>I'm not a right wingerYou were just shitting on immigrants and blaming them for the economy, 0/10 bait.
>>544715509You don't know what Democratic Socialism is. Ruthless capitalism + protection of worker's rights and ensuring fair wages. Your former president FDR's new deal was Democratic Socialism.
>>544715995Yet all your country does is violate workers' human rights
>>544716015Explain
>>544715768>>Hegelian dialecticThat's not how fucking dialectics works you stupid cuck. I didn’t study Hegel (plus continental philosophy in general) at Harvard for 7 FUCKING YEARS for some LOW LIFE KNOW IT ALL who’s CLEARLY never fucking read Hegel as he would KNOW that HEGEL has NEVER FUCKING EVER used the terms “thesis, antithesis, synthesis” to start perpetuating these LIES at VERY SINGLE FUCKING OPPORTUNITY. this isn’t Hegel my friend. No no no. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis was thought up by Fichte and it’s clearly inferior to Hegel's dialectical method of imminent critique. Yes. It’s called imminent critique. And dialectics is only ONE PART of Hegel's full method. Which again is called Imminent critique which you would know if you had ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO READ HEGEL ITS LITERALLY IN THE SCIENCE OF LOGIC YOU DUMB FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT. I honestly cannot believe the fucking arrogance to come onto this post, spouting that anti Hegel garbage. Where did you get your fucking info on dialectics? Fucking Jason Unruhe? Jesus fucking Christ I cannot deal with this bullshit right now I’m sorry I’m leaving I’m fucking leaving.<|:^)
>>544715995>defending workersThis is so pathetic. AI companies have declared everyone but themselves surplus humans and they have more than rabid jambois to back it up.
>>544716070anti-semite! it is jews alone who are allowed to exist in the AI luxury space communism future! all others are a blight upon existence!
>>544716070You are an immigrant dickfuck. They can come to muttistan all they want, not to ethnic countries.
Braindead replies. Like bots.
>>544716015Snow nigger. As a dick sucking communist do you have any regrets being a Canadian dog fuckers. When you fuck Fido in the ass do you next blow his brains out and then eat him. Disgusting subhuman filth of the worse kind and what about you sister and mother being on porn hub working niggers hard to buy you tendies. As a communist this is no big deal to you but disgusting to non subhumans. Such filth in one snow nigger.
Why do Canadians pretend to be different from Americans. Look at this picture, without the filename you couldn't tell that this wasn't taken in the US
>>544714544Well, that's why you're DSA, then. It's that simple. Immigrants support DSA because it panders to them. It's brown communism and since they're already a net loss that has no loyalty to their host country there's no reason for them not to be. It's extreme pandering to immigrants so leftist politicians can gain power and do nothing but enrich their crony friends. Immigrants will continue to vote for them no matter how many homeless people are living on the sidewalk outside their house because the alternative is possible deportation. Either democrats who start cooperating with the feds or Republicans that will continue to enforce immigration law.
>>544713123it would only work among a uniform diaspora that aren't dual citizenship holding travelers like yourselfbut now you got a billion of em knocking on your doorgood luck
I'm a National Democratic Socialist
>>544716297Quebec at least speaks a different language and has different ancestry. You're right about Anglo-Canada though
>>544713123Do you want to abolish private property and free trade?If yes, then you are definitely a socialist and the only thing you deserve is a bullet to the head. So there's no point in discussing anything with you.If no, then you're not really a socialist and you're just a retard / useful idiot. So there's no point in discussing anything with you.
>>544714544Being born in a civilised country doesn't make you civilised, just like a mouse born in a stable doesn't make that mouse a horse. How the fuck are you still alive?
>>544713123does that mean you hate foreigners or do you like foreigners?
>>544716374Snow Nigger do you squeal as Tyrone hammers your ass or do you take it like a man? I bet you squeal like a pig. Disgusting communist filth.
>>544713123Okay, explain why Democratic Socialism has to involve open borders and unlimited imports of people who we do not need in our European-founded countries.
>>544716416Bro that picture could've been taken in chicago
>>544716634Because they need immigrants to vote for them. Their constituency is immigrants, criminals, and homeless. That's why they're most successful in areas that democrats have already turned into shitholes. LA has four DSA on the city council and one is running for Mayor.
>>544715970Unlimited mass migration is part of the Democratic Socialism platform. How do you square this with the fact that immigrants hurt citizen workers and consumers? You can't be pro-labor and pro-mass migration at the same time. They are opposite concepts. Mass migration only helps corporations, never the workers.
>>544716634>who we do not need in our European-founded countries.And now we're at the crux of you're entire argument.>But they're brown!!!!
>>544716714>LA has four DSA on the city council and one is running for MayoMy boomer parents still don't believe me that there are actual communists in office all over this country and the only retort is "Poopdeep Dikxit from Mumbai is just like my Eastern European grandma you racist!" I only bring up boomers because they are still not dead and continuing to actively ruin this country by voting for kiked commie shit while pretending it's not happening
>>544716866Yea, that's very much part of it faggot. Now deal with the fact that they dilute wages and increase the cost of housing, education and healthcare: >>544716750 without denying that supply and demand is real.
>>544716873They're not even actual socialists, let alone actual communists.They just want social policies within a capitalist ftamework
>>544713123>>544716015Recruiting anonymous to be your friend because you tried turning your own friends into currency is why you're here. You ran out of good faith with the people that know you in real life, and you're trying to recoup your loss. Unfortunate that the last possible place you could stink without being seen can still detect you. Yep, believe it or not, the problem is you. You're not my countrymen, even the immigrants can detect those who are trying to turn them into currency.Time to pay back your loan.
>>544716940Socialist policies don't modify economic reality and 40 trillion of debt. Why should we let in unlimited people we don't need when we already have them? If not for this I would be inclined towards socialist policy. But unlimited third world trash is non-negotiable for you, or so it seems. Explain why.
>>544716915No, there is no evidence they lower wages. They're either completely neutral towards wages or a tiny tiny fraction of a percent improvement; depending on what study you're reading.Housing prices are a separate issue entirely. House buying has gone down like 7.7% despite there being nada for migration this year. Turns out the younger generations just can't afford a house. (Which is something we already knew)
>>544713123>I'm a firm believer in Democratic Socialism.Why?Capitalism, socialism (all flavors), communism, and all other “-isms” are all derivatives of judaism.They exist for the sole purpose of inflicting central banking on a target population.Fiat currency is fake money that steals from everyone who is not the banker.
>>544717020>Socialist policies don't modify economic reality and 40 trillion of debt.Then you should have no problem with them. Do you even care about the debt? Trump's responsible for 25% of it and rising.>If not for this I would be inclined towards socialist policy. And if not for the immigration policy, I would vote right. If they dropped this one issue, they would have my vote
>>544716940Very bad social policies like abolishing the police and prisons, unchecked illegal immigration, open air drug markets, taxing people's savings. Do you understand what would happen if they actually got what they wanted?
>>544713123Why was there a Dubai HVAC van in my neighborhood this afternoon? Is this some form of neo colonialist capitalism for Arab princes? Am I being colonized by Islamic ancaps? What does DSA plan to do about this? How will the DSA stop Arab colonizers from expanding out of control? What is the appropriate redress to this problem?
>>544717190Nah, most of us don't want to abolish prison. that's where we want to put trump and his family
>>544717050>No, there is no evidence they lower wagesSo just denying supply and demand then? More people competing for the same jobs = lower wagesMore people trying to buy shit like healthcare, housing and education = higher prices.This is irrefutable unless you purport to throw out the entire field of Economics at the altar of unlimited third world immigration. >Housing prices are a separate issue entirely. House buying has gone down like 7.7% despite there being nada for migration this year. Literally proving my point idiot. Excuse the ad hom but what I am saying is obviously true. It's not a separate issue at all. More people = higher prices and lower wages, always.
>>544714015Because you say so? Lol, lmao even
>>544717306>So just denying supply and demand then?Hey, if you e got decent stats to prove they lower wages, I'm all ears. If you're going with "trust me bro, they lower wages" when the actual number say something different, you can fly a kite.>Literally proving my point idiot. No, you cut off immigration, and nothing has happened to the prices. You cut it off 2 years ago. Go check what happened to the prices since then.
>>544714609I'm going to immigrate straight into your house. Fucking stop me faggot
>>544716048K so its not called hegelian dialecticWhat do you want to call the synthesis of communism and capitalism to this technocrat abomination which has its goals on making everyone a trannyhumanist?>where did you get your info on dialecticsSeems like you now, proceed
>>544717288It's what your party wants. Put it all together. No police, no prisons, unchecked immigration, unlimited gibs for illegals, assisting fent and metb addicts do drugs. The whole country will be Seattle's chop zone.
>>544717485BANG
>>544717823Doubt
>>544717809>It's what your party wantsHey, sometimes what you actually want doesn't line up with the party. Neither party has a majority that supports Israel, and yet both parties still do. (Though Democrats are changing on the issue, slowly)
>>544717896Oh, most true socialists are armed. It's how we seize the means.
Crazy how OP just upped and disappeared, and then mr.harvard philosphy got frustrated, rants, and refuses to elaborate in methods of correction
>>544717976Oh, I gotcha. What's the question?
>>544717936The means of butchering the proles you claim to help
>>544718070Desperate people are known to do desperate things. And it ain't getting any better. The bottom 50% controls 2.3% of the wealth and it's still shrinking.
>>544718178The socialist intellectuals that recruited thugs and criminals to terrorize everyone during the French and Russian revolutions, and Spanish civil war etc, were not desperate. They were spiteful and malicious monsters who took pleasure in the torture and death of the bottom 50%
>>544713123We're all ruled by king Charles, they hold our charter iirc
>>544718511Oh, I -love- the French revolution. I can't wait till some politician of ours says "let them eat cake"
>>544718511>>544718699And let's face it, trump cutting food stamps while lining everything around him with gold is a serious step towards the "let them eat cake" mentality. He's lucky he's at least kind of pretending to care about people's finances, or something bad would have happened already
>>544718699She never said that. But of course you love it; normal people being slaughtered by bitter little psuedo-intellectuals. And all it produced was an Emperor after those faggots started turning on each other.
>>544713123You can't abolish white supremacy, it simply is
>>544719253"more carters than princes were executed, more day labourers than dukes and marquises, three or four times as many servants than parliamentarians"
>>544719013Oh, , I understand the history of the quote. I also understand her spending was truly outrageous while her people were starving. Which is why she got the guillotine with the rest of em.
>>544719253>>544719334You having a stroke or something?
>>544719296Yep. I didn't say the angry desperate mob was smart about it or anything. They were an angry desperate mob.I also know the whole thing could have been avoided with some social programs
>>544719372Just wanted to add something is allThe people who did all this WERE starving
>>544719463>>544719491How can you just excuse and hand wave the fact that 85% of those murdered were common working people? There was nothing desperate about it. It was wanton slaughter, most of the perpetrators reveling in such enlightened acts as making necklaces out of genitals or decorating themselves with entrails. And the leaders enacting revolutionary laws like the Law of Suspects because they couldn't bare to even hear mild critisim from a commoner. Lol, anyway all you've done is reveal yourself and your desires for normal people to see.
>>544713695He asked you to link the study. I notice you didn't do that you ABSOLUTE FAGGOT
>>544719372interesting how he has real-time curation. also someone said interesting how op disappeared and this faggot in bad faith picked up. he already switched gears once, he's a scamming pajeet trying to fight an information war on behalf of indian immigrants in canada. in case you havent heard, a Canadian MP is attempting to get in bed with modi for 15 million indians against everyones democratic will. there is also a MASSIVE election about to take place in toronto AFTER the massive election they tried fucking with in alberta. ON TOP OF ALL OF THIS america's embassy in ottawa, our capital city, proved that the canadian government is interfering with elections. hes acting in bad faith, probably ahead of something he and his cronies have planned. legit, a counter-terrorist should look into OP + >>544719463Probably canadian glowniggers instilling infighting
>>544719887Don't bother, that fag left the thread ages ago. This >>544719491 disingenuous fuck is filling in for him
>>544719793>How can you just excuse and hand wave the fact that 85% of those murdered were common working people?I'm not excusing it at all. I'm merely letting you know that after 2 weeks of not eating your average decent person will be willing to stab someone for a sandwich. That's the cold reality of starvation. You're hardwired not to starve. The hunger drives you crazy until the problem fixes itself. And food stamps and soup kitchens are the ONLY thing preventing that from happening here.
>>544719980I thought I was being pretty genuine, but whatever
>>544720016Is decorating yourself with body parts an act of starvation?
Do you really think the capitalist class and government that serves it will just submit and give up their power just because the population votes for it?Are you not aware of what happened to Allende in Chile? Or in Ecuador, Bolivia, and now Venezuela?I also used to be interested in the demsoc concept because of my aversion to authoritarianism but the struggle against capitalism has to be viewed as a ruthless and bloodsoaked war. The capitalists will always stay in power until they are violently and brutally forced out of it.
>>544720071Nope. Neither was Americans collecting the ears and skulls of people they killed in vietnam and ww2. That's just fucked up people being fucked up people.
>>544720050Is revolutionary armies carring out scorched-earth campaigns against the agrarian population that resisted religious reforms and conscription during the War in the Vedée an act of starvation?
>>544720111Live by the sword, die by the sword. Reality is, you live in the matrix and your actual tendencies are calculated in real time and fed through insurance companies who literally decide what to do with you. Live by the sword, die by the sword. There goes your element of surprise, disgusting mutant.
>>544720172I don't know enough French history to answer that one properly. Sorry. But I'm gonna venture no.
>>544715970For someone who so loudly tells others to “just read” and “study history” you seem to have a awfully modern view of what “left” politics are. If you seriously cannot seperate moral views on immigration from economic realities related to immigration, you should find another hobby.
>>544715066>Immigration enriches the worker, not the capitalist. It boosts GDP which pulls up wages.Checked and you-fucked-up-your-LARP-right-there-pilled.
>>544720229It's a literal portion of the French Revolution you have stated to love. No, that's right, it's petty and punitive, like all forms of socialist terrorism. When I say you're disingenuous, what I mean is that you've romanticized the idea of revolution and socialist take-overs, but it doesn't hide your own private fantasies of someday dealing out death to normal people
>>544720457Geez? Project much? I don't -want- to overturn everything, I want to reform it.b I think unionization and democracy is enough for the time being.I also believe however that the rich will never ever allow that to happen, which leaves only one option. And it won't happen in my lifetime, but if shit keeps getting worse, it's inevitable.
>>544720587*Democracy as in social policies
>>544720587Who guarantees your job security? I mean currently, not in your fantasy land.
>>544713695The burden of proof lies within your hand, you made a claim, sustain it.Doubling down isn't an argument nor a proof.
>>544720773>Who guarantees your job security?Uh, not much of anyone as far as I know. This is an "at will" state so there's little to no employment protections
>>544720587When the socialists overthrow the capitalists, Monarchy or whatever, the new revolutionary leaders historically end up being worse in every conceivable way. And afterwards, supporters like yourself will become dissatisfied with the state of things, revolutionary police will notice and that will sadly be your end: killed or imprisoned by the very thing you rooted for. Like I'm telling you this so that you maybe take a step back and actually consider a less suicidal worldview
>>544713123Bigger government, bigger problems. I would have a lot less problems with some social programs like healthcare and school if we didn’t have 1. Income tax2. Property taxCitizenship should be more strict and frankly earned either through service or property. Corporations should not be treated like people and should not have the same rights. Businesses should work towards the social good not against it, but that’s a whole other discussion. All social programs should be opt in.
>>544720840Are you implying that you're leveraging your job security against your employers?
>>544720215>don't stand up for yourself. don't fight your enemy that's immoral!Kill yourself you pathetic vagina
>>544720841>up being worse in every conceivable way.Yep. which is why I'm not thrilled with the concept. >And afterwards, supporters like yourself will become dissatisfied with the state of things, revolutionary police will notice and that will sadly be your end: killed or imprisoned by the very thing you rooted for.Yeah, it happens, the grass isn't always greener. But once the system fails badly enough, people will try literally ANYTHING besides the system that is currently failing them.>Like I'm telling you this so that you maybe take a step back and actually consider a less suicidal worldviewI just wanna unionize and get a decent social safety net.It's the people in 50 years from now you have to convince when we have neither unions nor social safety nets. I'll be dead by then. Gen alpha and gen beta are the murderous mob you should be worried about, not me.The zoomers are the most fucked generation in all of American history. Only to be surpassed by the generation below them, who will be surpassed by the generation below them. (Unless something huge changes and capitalism magically fixes itself, but it won't)
>>544720881No?
>>544720961>Acts like a spoiled child in a grocery store and gets spanked, seethes that someone would tell him to shut the fuck upYou don't decide who my enemies are you weakling cuckazoid. Your women are easy and loose, your men are irrelevant alcoholics forgotten long ago. Stay in bumfuckistan, faggot.
>>544713123Socialism goes against Evolution and Nature. Those Homo sapiens clans/individuals advocating for socialism are the dysgenic wastrels of Evolution.
>>544721071Oh okay, I just didn't want you thinking you were going to gain meaningful employment with your philosophies you listed above. The average anon would read that and be like yeah i get why this guy doesnt have a job.
>>544721166We're a social species who has always worked as a group.Together we're top of the food chain. Alone, you die pathetically.
>>544721196Oh, I do about 70-80% of the labor for a multi million dollar corporation. I get paid shit in return. It's why I have a vested interest in ideologies that promote workers rights.
>>544721262>Pretends to not understand things, thus making discourse impossibleSeeing as how you are actually in fact leveraging your job security against your employer, I have no further interest in speaking with you. Takers, givers, etc. Also you were incredibly easy to break. Thanks for helping show anonymous lurkers what a disingenuous position a democratic socialist holds, assuming you don't want to shed that skin last second and reveal your brown cockroach pooskin. Alright, im grabbing some food.
>>544721354Yeah, I quit reading after the green text. I'm happy for you tho. Or sorry that happened
Why would I want to speak to a faggot?
>>544721435So you can call them a faggot?
>>544720879This is the oligarchic propaganda of the right. The income and property taxes are overwhelmingly paid by the wealthy. They don’t care at all about sales tax, which is disproportionately paid by the poor and impossible to institute progressively. I will buy your anti-tax argument when you get your priorities in order.
>>544713199Freedom of movement, unless its white flight or gentrification. In a borderless world no one who isn't rich will live or have kids who live in their hometown if it's naturally beautiful. It all gets bought up.
>>544715970Remember when Bernie, that hooknosed disgusting kike, used to say that immigration was a right wing scamIt will never stop being funny to me that leftists did a full 180 on immigration because their white guilt forces them to push for their own ethnic replacement, even those those browns are effectively just scab labour
>>544721096It's clear youre the one terrified of getting spanked. From France to Russia to China to Cuba capitalist property has been seized and they suffered immense bloody terror through executions and enslavement in gulags.This terrifies you because you know it has happened and it not only could happen but will happen. Capitalist filth will be tortured in dungeons and slaughtered like cattle. Your days are numbered. Your nightmares will become reality just like they have historically.
>>544721050No the grass on the other side is covered in blood and gore. You think things are bad now? It'll be Terminator future war-levels of fucked if a successful socialist revolution sweeps across the Western world. You literally don't understand what you trying to promote.
>>544713611> Complains about pseudo science> Cites aDNA studyLOL!If only you had the brains needed to understand the irony.
>>544721096Call us "spoiled children" as we cut your tongue out in a rancid dungeon while your property is looted and burned to the ashes. You sure owned us brats, oh mature enlightened one.
>>544721700Russia was turned from a rural backwater into a worldpower under Stalin's communism.It went to shit in the 90s when communism was dismantled. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, HEEB?
>>544721708>You literally don't understand what you trying to promote.What I'm promoting is unionization and social safety nets that will save people from AI/automation taking millions of jobs from people that will be homeless and starving without these safety nets.And what I'm straight up telling you is what will happen if this "every man for himself" this "fuck you, I got mine, make your own life work" mentality continues for 50 more years, bad shit will happen.
>>544720111>Are you not aware of what happened to Allende in Chile? Or in Ecuador, Bolivia, and now Venezuela?Yes, I am also aware of what happened in China and Russia who both became major powers after eradicating the capitalist class.Once the parasite go, the body can heal.
>>544721877You'll be tortured and murdered by a fellow communist, and then they'll call you a traitor to the cause, and any family you have will be enslaved or killed. Is that how you want to live?
>>544721940Then why say things like "Oh, I -love- the French revolution."Why promote or idolize an atrocity?
>>544721708In 50 years there won't be burger flipping jobs, there will be barely any programming jobs, there won't be machining jobs, there won't be accounting jobs. Waymo already exists. Next after that is trucking. Millions of people will be assed out. Everyone knows it's coming, and barely anyone is pitching a solution to it. What that leads to is obvious to me, but what do you think? How's that gonna work out under your world view?
>>544713414>I want to have a real discussion>racial IQ thing debunkedKEK...evidently not.
>>544722108Simple. The government of france fears it's citizen. In america the citizens fear their government. Which is why they don't give a fuck how bad it gets. In france they have no choice but to care how bad it gets.
>>544722195Have you seen what's happening in France this very moment? Commies and Muslims are ransacking the country, and it's exactly what the government wants, because it destroys the common man, someone the current French government doesn't give a fuck about. You literally played yourself.
>>544722343>Commies and MuslimsYou say that, but I just see the French youth. Rioting for social injustices is a huge part of their national identity. during these riots they LITERALLY stormed the bastille. Don't get more French than that.>it's exactly what the government wantsHah, prove it. If you ask me they seem more panicked than overjoyed.>You literally played yourself.Yeah yeah yeah. If you wanna keep defending the current system, defend it. Answer this >>544722146
>>544722516Honestly, I'm done talking to you dude, if that's your clichéd interpretation, then you're hopelessly fucked.If things go your way, I hope I'm there to laugh at you, assuming I haven't died of starvation or a bullet.
>>544722698Yeah, it is kind of an indefensible system isn't it?
>>544722698>If things go your wayFor the last time, my way was unions and social safety nets.YOUR way is "every man for himself", and that only ends one way.
>>544713123Josh go back to roofing in July for the people's revolution, this liberalism 2.0 thing is a bad look, sincerely.
>>544713471Yeah what do you think.Are Indians real or is global warming real
