Would you support the return of the monarchy? It was unironically more meritocratic than the modern banking oligarchy we live in. If you performed well in a public charge you could even rise to minor nobility in a single generation.And how modern nobility would even look like?
>>544715972The problem with monarchy is when your nation gets prosperous, you grow a larger middleclass that start enviously eyeing the aristocracy. The bourgeois are much more venal and motivated by short-term gain. Case in point: Thomas Cromwell - the guy who became Henry VIII's bagman in the English reformation. The bourgeois puritans did more to destroy the cultural patrimony of England than the Normans.
If all it means is that politicians and their staff will praise some dumbass for his ancestry then I don't really care.If it means they'll start obeying this dumbass' orders then I'd probably have some strong objections.
>>544715972Monarchy isn't something that you vote into being. The monarch has to be a Caesar who seizes power and creates rules of succession
You want your current head of state to keep his job for life?
>>544716718Not true. Plenty of kings have been elected.
>>544715972They’d look like this.
>>544715972No, I have ancestors that fought in our war of independence. Kill every monarch and their disgusting subhuman niggermensch followers.
>>544715972Yes.
>>544716887Itso facto Washington could have been king, but he decided against it because he was infertile and had no biological children, succession war would have destroyed his project on nation.
>>544715972It's like having a small guild in random mmorpg game that grow bigger and out of hand then eventually reach the entire world. It has always been there.
you clearly don't know how anything works if you don't understand that old money and old blood still run things. the problem is we didn't go far enough removing monarchy and now the remnants of these monarchies still influence things to their advantage at the expense of everyone else
>>544715972>It was unironically more meritocraticThere could literally never be anything LESS meritocratic than inheriting a government position from your father. Are you high?>And how modern nobility would even look like?We still have it. It just doesn't come with titles. They enjoy the benefits of pretending to be normal citizens when that's useful.Realize: The problems of our current system that you are pointing to are literally CAUSED by us continuing to have a nobility.And hey! We even have nobility among corporations! Its called "too big to fail".
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>>544716777"democracy" doesn't actually exist, it's just a theater designed to keep the plebs from revolting. When a president implements policies that target the wellbeing of the population and wrecks the country a civil war can be adverted by holding new elections, but you aren't implementing a regime change you're just swapping out a dirty shirt for a clean one.Elections are basically an artificial pressure release valve to dodge bloody civil wars. In a monarchy, if a ruler runs things into the ground, people will depose him in a violent civil war.But in a "democracy" the banking elites will just hands you a brand new "leader" with a pristine reputation that will be used as the visible face of the real rulers. At least until he spends his term implementing policies detrimental to the working class. Policies that were ordered by the baking deep state. But it's alright because once his reputation is totally trashed, you toss him aside and put on a fresh shirt (elect a new president) and avoid the civil war, so he's essentially a disposable "burner leader" a hand picked decoy controlled by the real puppet masters behind the scenes.A "democracy" it's the perfect dictatorship ever invented.Behind every "democratic" nation is a regional banking deep state that only lets pre approved candidates onto the ballot, it doesn't even matter who candidate wins, they will take the same choices than the other candidate would have because they are not the ones actually taking the choices at all. All they do is locking voters into a fake left vs right dichotomy, making sure nobody ever gets a real, full spectrum vision of actual governance and the same baking rulers perpetuate themselves over generations.
>>544715972no thanks. direct democracy and we don't even need a single president.>>544716718"elective monarchy" actually quite many of them in history
>>544719221Elected by the other nobles, which is to say it’s same as it ever was.>>544719200Pretty much nailed it.
>>544718826>There could literally never be anything LESS meritocratic than inheriting a government position from your father.Only the most capable heir was elected by the nobles to actually run the country in a federal level, and the common man could become a minor noble if he did things right. but in a democracy ¿how many presidents come from the same family? none come from the middle class, you have the Bush, the Kennedys and their branch families.
>>544719349what nobles?
>>544719430The aristocracy. House of Lords, other noble families, the rich and powerful. Name one example of a royal line being voted in by commoners.>>544719352To be fair I think Bush Sr. was legit. He was a fighter pilot at like 18 and rose through competence and craftiness. It was a little different then.
>>544716454Tie nobility to something the bourgeoisie don't like to do, namely military or similar. Let the middle class be as rich as they want but without direct political power. Limiting the power of money vs the monarchy is a challenge but the Chinese are pretty good at dealing with it.
>>544719430I'd be more open to having nobles if Jews did not exist. Not open, but more open. First things first
And now, /pol/?Why don't you, beloved americums, ask Tramp for a little hand in manipulating the result in favor of Flávio Bolsonaro (right-wing)? Please.
>>544715972it never really went awayfor as long as there has been surplus there has been some inbred faggot with ideas for it
>>544715972The only way I would support a monarchy is if I'm the guy wearing the crown. Fuck having to serve a homosexual inbred retard with no actual power, and where his kike courtesans call the shots instead.
>>544719574All US presidents are family, all are descendants of John Plantagenet, except one Van Buren.
>>544720040That’s some deep lore Mexibro. I can’t immediately disprove it so it must be true.
>>544715972no0o0o0o0o0 i prefer modern meritocracy where my position in society is dependent on how many children I rape in front of cameras at the freemason lodge.i love the jewish banking system.
>>544720223Ask an AI, the worst it could do is to downplay the fact.
>>544716965The founders didn't even think every white man should vote, not even half.
>>544719200Thank you, good effortpost. When people complain "nothing ever happens," nothing ever gets better: democracy is the reason for that. It is structurally designed to PREVENT anything from happening.
>>544718566Wait till you find out that all the anti monarchy revolutions were run by the fucking Rothschilds.
It will always depend on the quality of the people in charge.A monarchy will still not be likely to fix the problems in the west. The bankers are smarter and have more resources. But it's probably the best you have.
>>544715972I'd support sn Italian meatball if it wasn't Jewish
>>544715972whoever strips women of womens rights gets a sustainable nation. a sustainable nation can support a state. then we can argue for republicanism or monarchy
>>544723113uh no, you gay retard? the rothschilds funded england to go to war with napoleon who was busy liberating europe from the monarchies. this is literally the origin story of how the rothschilds even got the power they did
>>544718826>LESS meritocratic than inheriting a government position from your fatherunited states elections
>>544715972>balls touch
>>544723179I'd settle for honest equality people forget what we have right now bow is SIMPLY NOT FUCKING EQUAL...Vows mean nothing! Courts destroy men 90% of the time. What we have now is so far from equality it's hilarious For the rest you are correct I WOULD HOWEVER ASK ALL TO CONSIDER SOMETHING NNEEWW PLEASE...JESUS FUCKING CHRISTMAS EE COULD USE BLOCKCHAIN TECH TO PUBLICLY HOLD TRANSPARENT DIRECT DEMOCRACY There's so many solid options.
>>544723179>whoever strips women of womens rights gets a sustainable nationWon't necessarily be a monarchy.The Kingdom of Denmark was into the whole women's rights thing.
I like the monarchy in theory, but in practice I am against it. The kind of man that would be a good king no longer exist. A king was the grand patriarch of a nation, back when the word nation represented a people. He put his nation first before everything. The reason the monarchy fell was because the king forgot the social contract his power was founded on and allowed the material temptation of the industrial revolution sway him. A good king would have to be nationalistic even if it meant his nation may lose out on material wealth. I cannot see a man taking charge with those views so I cannot support a modern monarchy.
>>544716593Well (((democracy))) ain’t working much better than obeying the dumbass’ orders is it
I belong to a noble family. I'm a few generations removed from an Earl. There's quite a senior Duke, but that's via marriage. Also there's a 20th century European leader.You're not going to believe me when I say this, but you chaps would love it if we returned to a ruling monarchy. It's simply better and more efficient. Plus, it's possible to hang communists by their ankles - which I'm sure you'll agree, sounds like a lot of fun.
>>544715972LARP
>>544723244>napoleon who was busy liberating europe from the monarchies.Is that how it was?From what I'm told Denmark's king sided with Napoleon.
If I have the sole jurisdiction over if the monarch gets to live or die then yes.
>>544715972if amerifucks werent wilfully ignorant retards, we could have a conversation about how only a deist could try to make a Deuteronomy style republic by declaring documents written by men to be in charge, as if the form of having a document was more important than that document being the word of God. if the constitution had declared that the Bible is the word of God and every word in the constitution is to be interpreted as the Bible says, there would be no troons
>>544723244The Rothschilds caused the French revolution, the English civil war, and the Russian revolution you faggot.
>>544716777Imagine believing in democracy during the current year. You can't vooote away your elite class.
>>544715972If I get to be king, then yes. Otherwise, no, I'm not a fucking cuck.
>>544723150It's not that any one monarchy is necessarily better than any one democracy. Rather, it is that putting power in the hands of an individual rather than a collective is the only way structural change can actually happen. When power is diffuse, elites can never be unseated from their position because no one source has the capacity to threaten them. Only when power is concentrated are elites able to be held accountable. Of course, unseating elites may be good or bad depending on the circumstance.Anyone who knows classical history should be well familiar with this phenomenon. The most famous but hardly only example is Julius Caesar. There's a reason the plebs supported an emperor and the elites supported republicanism. Both were acting in their legitimate self-interest. The idea that democracy can benefit the lower classes is laughably transparent propaganda.
>>544723531previous generations thought it was how nebuCHADnezzar slew the nobles of judah. now everyone wants someone to slay the nobles of america, every university professor, every judge
The form of government does not interested me so much as the quality and will of the people within it.
>>544715972I don't even support my country remaining a monarchy.
>>544716777All power systems are hereditary, and in fact it is impossible to build a society that doesn't create and reinforce hereditary power systems.Still, the natural reach of a government is much less than what it is. America doesn't need a king, it needs 100 kings. There has never been an emperor or king or high priest with one half the power of tyranny possessed by any modern government.
>>544723655the Bible sets up a republic in Deuteronomy, but with rules for what the king has to do (the king must personally copy the Bible and read it). the Bible says that nations that forget God get destroyed, it doesnt tell nations to have a monarchial or republican state
>>544719760>Tie nobility to something the bourgeoisie don't like to do, namely military or similarpfft retard, you used to be able to buy commissions in the british army.
>>544715972Yes, so long as the initial batch were decided by a tournament. I have no problem being ruled by my actual betters.
>>544723967All you really have to do to have a healthy nobility is remove any and all jews.
>>544723904>Still, the natural reach of a government is much less than what it is. America doesn't need a king, it needs 100 kings. There has never been an emperor or king or high priest with one half the power of tyranny possessed by any modern government.This is both cause and effect. The lie the sovereignty comes from "the people" has given modern rulers the justification to create a government vastly more intrusive than any monarch ever dreamed of. The most outrageous overreach and evil imaginable is thus handwaved and excused.
>>544715972Yeah and I also believe that the economic advancement of the modern world came about in spite of democracy and not because of it and that if monarchy had remained that it would be the superior system today. If the US never entered world war 1 monarchy could be around in europe today, soviet russia would have never happened, no weimar, no hitler, the world could be so much better but who knows what other stuff the jews would have done. The US entering world war 1 is what ended the world though, woodrow wilson was a peak jewpet basedboy and did it for democracy even.
>>544715972>balls touch one anotherGAY
>>544724285>I also believe that the economic advancement of the modern world came about in spite of democracyIt's very evident in the modern world as well: all else equal, monarchies have higher living standards than republics.Look at the mideast. Yemen and Iraq are both absolute shitholes, some of the most hellish places on Earth. Meanwhile Oman, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE are all comfortable places to live.Ditto for SE Asia. Thailand is solidly middle income and way better off than its third world civil-war wracked neighbors.
>>544724504Kings own, politicians rent, would you rather be owned or be a rental? No government is ideal, but monarchy is better than democracy.
>>544719760>Tie nobility to something the bourgeoisie don't like to do, namely military or similarIn some traditions you would de facto lose the title of nobility if your firstborn son wouldn't become a full time military officer and didn't upkeep a standing army.
>>544715972People confuse monarchy with aristocracy. One king ruling over everyone is dictatorship. Royal, princely and aristocratic families ruling over a nation is monarchy. There is a king but it's way more of a complex system than "lol 1 ruler". Wealth of a noble was tied to prosperity and good management of the land. Military, priesthood and government were all in the hands of the aristocrats.Europe became an undisputed global superpower under aristocracy. And now during a post-aristocratic era it's flooded with browns, sold bit by bit and being invaded physically, culturally and technologically. Europe's leadership was beheaded and now we see the dire consequences.
>>544723481>a Deuteronomy style republicYou christcucks disgust me on a level that I would have never thought possible.
>>544725278>People confuse monarchy with aristocracyBut then again people don't understand what aristocracy was. It's never taught in public schools. People think aristocracy is some cunt that got into a position of power and holds it via shady deals, and then his son inherits the position. Which is temporary oligarchy.
>>544726084>flag>hates Christendom hello Achmed
>>544723078democracy is nothing but the perfect dictatorial system
>>544727287Achmed famously reads Plato and loves pagans
>>544726084worthless gaytheist cattle dont know plato or Deuteronomy
>>544727503Reading Timaeus and Critias would be a life changing experience for most people who jaw about greece but sadly most never will.
>>544715972negatory, ghost rider
>>544727421>pagansAre you a member of the faggot community then?
>>544729950No, we have fertility gods, not degeneracy gods.
