My fellow Americans:It's time we stop obsessing over race. Instead, we should find common ground with those who hold the same values. Anyone who isn't willing to do that and raves about skin color is a quickly dying breed. Adapt to reality and flourish without hate in your heart.
>>544738256Tired of all the jeet threads, huh?
this, so much this
>>544738256I’ve learned no one with a different skin color has the same values as me. Especially Indians. Indians and jews are anti-humans and diametrically opposed to everything I value.
>>544738256We are animals. Animals who evolved on different continents cannot coexist.
>>544738256Nice try schlomo
>>544738256I've seen not a single shitskin ever defending whites without getting shat on while the total opposite for whites happens every single times.
>>544738323>>544738382Tired of constant hate. >>544738331This but unironically. >>544738344I doubt it considering both groups get along just fine with white folks irl. What are your values?>>544738433Your opinion is irrelevant. This is a thread for Americans.
>>544738492Just because whites dont lynch you for shitting in the line at target doesnt mean they get along with you Sandeep
>>544738492I am also tired of the constant hate on whites
>>544738539Don't evade the question. Living in this weird 4chan bubble of hate will do nothing for your life. >>544738546Agreed. Wildly entitled and smug minorities do be getting uppity.
>>544738256>>544738492you deserve hate for inserting yourself into thisit's exactly brains like urs that ruined our country u fuckin dodo
>>544738648You're not getting it. It doesn't matter if you think a minority deserves hate. The fact is, it's not how America as a nation sees this. Minorities hold many positions of power and wealth. You have to be willing to work with people whose values you align with. If you just seethe all the time, all you're gonna do is develop hypertension. Adapt or die with a whimper.
>>544738785Please poo in the loo, not the sidewalk
>>544738256Racial cohesion is a value.
>>544738492What gives I can just fly there without visa and make the same post yet you would cope about this fact regardless.
>>544738822Try saying something original instead of repeating the same 12 stale memes. >>544738883That's true, but it does not imply racial hatred. Racial cohesion and values cohesion can coexist. >>544738915GL with that.
>>544738256It's not necessarily a poor idea but the most popular values are extremely grim so it's doomed to failure in current conditions.Gravity pulls everyone down, and 'fighting gravity' is still 'evil' to most and probably always will be. Something would have to leap over all of it, and at that point, why would it reach back for all the heavy weight behind it?
>>544738356Love how I’m the only one here that didn’t get a reply. Humans are a fundamentally tribalistic species. As great as the idea of every race holding hands in a circle sounds, it’s impossible until we transcend this primitive human form.
>>544738976Racial hatred exists as the reaction of those who value racial cohesion to racial subversion. If you want white people to stop hating minorities, then put a stop to white genocide.
>>544738356>>544739206Sorry, didn't mean to skip. It's a faulty point. We do coexist. It's only 4chan where so much racial hatred exists today. And I guess fringe communities among different ethnic groups. The point is to come to the center on this issue instead of saying at the fringe and being wiped out. It's just not the reality of the world. >>544739286I'm not for any type of genocide. And again, white people as a monolith do not hate minorities. It is a fringe view mostly seen on 4chan. Trying to apply it to the entire population is like saying all white people suffer from suicidal empathy and would die for minorities because some blue-haired freaks on reddit say they would.
>>544739448It's far from a fringe view. All leftist rhetoric assumes that human beings are born racist and that it must be schooled out of them. This was the view of the Frankfurt School, but Aristotle agreed that human nature prefers its own. If whites are not a political monolith, this demonstrates that racial cohesion in whites is lacking, and pointing it out should call white racists to action. There is no stopping the rising tide of racial violence. As an independent thinker it would be more fruitful to think about how to adapt to that rather than ask for the impossible.
>>544739897I'd love to see the exact passage regarding that quote from Aristotle.Everything else you said is untenable. There is no rising tide. 4chan is not reflective of the real world. Racial violence is decreasing and values cohesion is weighted more heavily than racial cohesion, as you concede.
>>544738256You're too young to realize that America has already gone through this so-called 'spiritual racism' phase. It ended about 50 - 60 years ago. We already tried that. That era is Joever. It didn't work. Now we're stuck in this phase as pictured.
>>544740064There are many such passages in his Politics, but just for a taste, Book V:>Another cause of revolution is difference of races which do not at once acquire a common spirit; for a state is not the growth of a day, any more than it grows out of a multitude brought together by accident. Hence the reception of strangers in colonies, either at the time of their foundation or afterwards, has generally produced revolution; for example, the Achaeans who joined the Troezenians in the foundation of Sybaris, becoming later the more numerous, expelled them; hence the curse fell upon Sybaris. At Thurii the Sybarites quarrelled with their fellow-colonists; thinking that the land belonged to them, they wanted too much of it and were driven out. At Byzantium the new colonists were detected in a conspiracy, and were expelled by force of arms; the people of Antissa, who had received the Chian exiles, fought with them, and drove them out; and the Zancleans, after having received the Samians, were driven by them out of their own city. The citizens of Apollonia on the Euxine, after the introduction of a fresh body of colonists, had a revolution; the Syracusans, after the expulsion of their tyrants, having admitted strangers and mercenaries to the rights of citizenship, quarrelled and came to blows; the people of Amphipolis, having received Chalcidian colonists, were nearly all expelled by them.(((You))) will not persuade anyone here that racial violence is decreasing.
>>544740927>which do not at once acquire a common spiritThat's the crux of the issue. We are not generally quarreling this way when it comes to values cohesion. Furthermore, Aristotle is discussing "whites" clashing. He's not using the word race in the modern sense where 4chan bigots seem to think anyone with white skin is the same as them. Neither of these points defeats the argument at hand. >>544740879Idk, I like the other half of that picture better. My boy Clarence Thomas is holding it down along with Alito on the SCOTUS bench.
>>544738331This but extremely unironically.
>>544741336>He's not using the word race in the modern sense where 4chan bigots seem to think anyone with white skin is the same as them.Lurk moar, faggot. No one from /pol/ believes this.
>>544738492>Tired of constant hate.So are you Indian or not?
>>544738492It's not hate. It's accountability. You can't control you unleashed dog(fellow jeets) Why force others to live amongst wild dogs that act the way we all expect him to(they're unpleasant)?
>>544738785TV doesn't define how Americans see you/minorities. Americans see them in a way enough to get trump votes for when he was campaigning on remigration + ice. You are fighting a losing battle, asking whites to surrender instead of film you and post your people's behaviors.
>>544741408Come on, anon. You may not believe it, but it's a very common viewpoint on /pol/. Be rational about this.>>544741409Irrelevant. My viewpoint is the majority viewpoint.>>544741433Wild dogs of all colors deserve to be isolated. Conmen in suits also deserve to be isolated. Anyone that is not at least incidentally aligned with creating a higher-trust society is a concern.>>544741558I don't watch TV. You also seem to be posting with a VPN as your command of the English language is shaky. No one has asked whites to surrender.
>>544738976Racial cohesion and values can exist SEPARATELY. retard. They can't exist together with liars like yourself shilling lies.
>>544741614>Irrelevant.That's for me to decide. I already hate you based on merit alone. Poo in loo
>>544739448I don't exist in India, you don't need to exist in USA. Your point is faulty itself. You claim to need access to whites, but you don't. You need to worry about the rape+ pollution rates in India first before you think of moving ANY Indian to USA ever.
>>544741702>I already hate you based on merit alone.That's the spirit! :)I am a bidet-using master race btw.
>>544741336See, you're intentionally acting like a pilpulling nigger kike. We can't waste any energy on liars spending more energy on lying than accepting the plain, simple, and spoon-fed truth.It's exactly like arguing with a jew/jeet. Fuck your izzatjuggad bulshit, accept the truth and stop being an example of a worthy thing to hate(a liar)
>>544741409He's 100% Indian in effect(and irl too).You already know the content he is going to shill. What a waste of time. Waste of a thread.I vote range banning India.
>>544741614The first thing you learn from anons on this board is that there's a fundamental difference between European gentiles and Ashkenazi Jews, but you haven't even learned that. The whiteness of slavs, mediterraneans, and the Irish is constantly questioned here. It's funny how you begin with the premise that whites are not a monolith and then immediately make /pol/ an exception to the rule you just laid down. The Jew always begins his polemic from a position of imagined intellectual superiority, and always opens with an insult to his interlocutor's intelligence. But you haven't even read secondary literature on Aristotle, or you would know how he's notoriously racist!
Dear GEzp7g1h:I am deeply skeptical that you are American given your English skills. You will receive no further (You)s unless you provide evidence of American residency.As stated earlier, I only wish to discuss this issue with Americans.
>>544738331This, but only ironically.
>>544741614That's the problem, no one I know has met a single non wild dog jeet. They all need to be investigated. Every hotel. Every gas station. Every h1b. Met shit tons, but they all rhyme in behavior and intent and styles.How about Indians that pollute get the death penalty? Would you support that? It would get rid of your people's dogs pretty quickly(it would get rid of ALL jeets) You won't agree because you know most of your people are dogs that 20+ bound to a single address.
>>544741938That's obviously still not how Aristotle defined "race"; he referred to various city-state cultures. It's like saying North Floridians tried to take over Georgian land and caused a bloodbath.I don't think the white population is a monolith. Finding a large subset of dissatisfied and frequent /pol/ users to hold a fringe viewpoint in totality does not contradict that.I haven't attempted to insult anyone's intelligence; your perceptions are colored.I've read a decent bit of Aristotle, but not all. What I can confidently say based on a close reading of Nicomachean Ethics is that states of virtue apply to all human beings.Anyway, sure, /pol/ bigots with genuine hatred may further separate different ethnic groups with skin tones that fall in the "fair" range. That really isn't material to the prevailing point: 4chan fringe views will result in nothing but general misery. It's no good way to live.
>>544738256Whites are under 6% of the new hires and even then it's 98% female. White men are under 1% of the hiring rate leaving 1 in 3 of us out of the workforce entirely. Blacks in the north before the civil war enjoyed less discrimination than whites do today. And blacks in the South after the civil war still have a hire workforce participation rate and hiring rate. Sub 1% was calculated in 2024 at 0.3%, but we just set new records on how 98% of the new hires were women. So it is theoretically 0.048%. The USA might as well put "White men need not apply" signs on everything. This country has rejected us so until I am treated fairly, then unfortunately EVERYTHING will be about race and I will strive to contribute as little as possible to a nation that hates me. I will not serve it. I will hang juries I am forced to be on. I will not speak to cops. I will never comply with anything. I won't be drafted.500,000 whites are randomly attacked by blacks every year, over 550 killed. It's over once a day now. Blacks kill whites at several times the rate of the KKK killed blacks. And Black judges commute their sentences and release them. Blacks are admitted to college with hundreds of points lower scores, and given more scholarships. 6 of 8 grad school fellowships are for Blacks and hispanics only. They only require not failing out and are given to 100% of blacks and Hispanics that get in. That's right, the US has free education, but only for brown people in grad school. For the other fellowships, merit based, the minimum scores are hundreds of points higher and still they give 70% to nonwhites despite averaging 180 pts lower on the GRE.At the peak of racism against me, on a systematic and institutionalized level, like hell will I not care about race. I care about it more than I ever did before and I am fucking livid.
>>544742547Where are you getting most of these statistics?I do agree that academic admissions ought to be purely merit-based.
>>544742311You haven't found shit because you don't frequent this board, numbnuts. You started this thread assuming that you knew better than the racists you imagined you would find, but you have nothing prepared for the positions you actually encountered. You should read the Politics. The word "another" should clue you in on the nature of the discussion. While immigration is one cause of revolution for Aristotle, he mentions six others, which are broadly ideological. There's no values based cohesion for him, and when he defines the virtues as human perfections in the Ethics, he is speaking to Greeks about Greeks, exclusively. That's the ancient idea of race which you would cite in your favor.
>>544742622We have to source this in every single thread? Can you people pay attention or learn to look things up? For fucks sake we're kicked out of our own country. We can't get a fast food job in our own home town and you fuckers will still ask for a source. Do things not suck enough for you? Do you not notice how PhD and ABD's are being passed up for promotions by vagina owners and brown people with AAs? DEI has been a fucking disaster, it has destroyed trillions of dollars since 2014, killing multiple evergreen franchises. Star Wars can't move lego sets anymore. This anti male "It's not for you anymore" feminist and black obsessed leadership everywhere has lost most American franchises 85% of their audience. The economy is in ruins. Less than 1% of the growth was things outside AI. And you need sources for everything happening. I could say Trump is president and a liberal would ask me for a source.But allas, you shall have your sources. Truth is on my side.
>>544741954Nigger you don't even know how to use this website. That's how new of a tourist you are. Anyways. You don't sound white at all. Lololol and you want proof? Maybe post your hand first before making demands>>544742311More cope and seethe. Btw my family can trace 20+ generations. In USA, another 20+generations in england. I'm not trying to say shit that would make you seethe, but my families wealth and our physical features would absolutely make you seethe. Just be better, okay?
>>544742622He's getting those stats from the government, fool.God damn you need to be better. Stop being so new. >>544742849100%He's just wasting time and energy spitting out what he's being spoonfed. And NO ONE IS SURPRISED.
>>544742917Bloomberg had the race hiring bit they were very proud that the US was becoming more anti white. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/Fortune from Bureau of Labor Statisticshttps://fortune.com/2026/09/04/jobs-report-september-women-162000-jobs/
>>544742849Virtues aren't necessarily human perfections, but states of balance in various modes of existence.I'm obviously responding to all positions. Your disagreement with my response is not indicative of my failure to understand yours.To say Aristotle does not believe in values-based cohesion when Nicomachean Ethics is about exactly that at an individually applicable level to create a superior city-state and spirit is silly.Aristotle may have been speaking to Greeks, but he did not intentionally preclude his message from other cultures. That's why we all still read him and attempt to practice his ideas. Same thing with Buddhism or Machiavelli or Kant or whoever you want to speak about. Good ideas can transcend authorial intent where an intent has any form of limitation.>>544742917>>544743078Generally, when one makes a claim, one is expected to provide credibility for it. Regarding the -904k figure: do we know what sort of jobs, what the median age of that white worker was, where these jobs were posted, etc.?That gender statistic is astonishing (and troubling), but it gets away from my main point, which has to do with fringe racial animus on 4chan.Overall, I agree that DEI is not good for the country. I don't agree that the economy is in ruins. I agree that modern feminism is an issue since it seems to coincide with open misandry in many instances.
>>544743078The crime stuff is everywhere, FBI.gov crime tables.and numerous articles and sources. It's really not hard to look up but you can't use Bing or Jewgle. They censor information that violates their multicultural corporate values. https://www.consumershield.com/articles/hate-crimes-against-white-peoplehttps://worldmetrics.org/black-on-white-violence-statistics/Pic related is the H1B's. NEarly all the new jobs since 2015 have gone to foreigners. If you take FAANg pay in 2015 for a Sr Developer and adjust it for Inflation it would be like $800k today, enough to comfortably buy a house in Seattle or LA or San Fran, but it's not it's like $250k. That is how H1B is keeping wages low, by preventing them from keeping up with inflation. And they are hired for everything from a gas station clerk to VP's and over 80% of them have been found to be fraudulent degrees. And 100% are unnecessary. We have experts from schools and companies ranked thousands above the Indian schools and yet they cannot get jobs. We do not need to replace all of our workers with foreigners. Indians are not superior to us. Stop defending their insane racism so that billionaires can pay us even less.Don't worry I have sources on those claims coming too.
>>544743449When something is so fucking obvious that it is the main discussion for the last fucking decade and you're on a political forum about it, in a thread about it, you have an obligation to pay attention or you should stop voting until you read things. Uninformed decisions will not help the US. ?Source on Indians being unqualified 1
>>544743449The white hiring rate is so bad that it is literally any job at any level. Source on Indians being unqualified 2Yes I am making them pictures but they have links to the sources or it's in the title. This thing where Indian engineers can't code isn't some far off conspiracy theory, it is massive in group preference. They come up with endless excuses to do anything but code. It's a real fucking problem and you'd know it if you worked with Accenture before. A big outsourced Indian dev group US companies layoff skilled workers for. Ask them to move a video player somewhere and they spend 6 sprints meeting about it, then 4 more to eventually send you a photoshopped picture of what you asked for, and then they argue that you were unclear that you wanted a website updated. It's unreal how incompetent they are, or have you also not noticed that 95% of websites are still coded using way out of date code and every product is getting worse?That has a root cause and it is Indian incompetence and in group preference.
>>544743460I think you're confusing a few different ideas. My only point is that racial hatred on 4chan is objectively unproductive, i.e., it accomplishes nothing.I don't disagree that there H1B abuse must be addressed (which the current Administration has been, including moratoriums on H1Bs for leading universities and companies). However, that's an American policy issue that others are taking advantage of. You should hate the policy, not the person it's tailored to who's obviously going to try to get a leg up in the world when opportunity comes knocking.>https://www.consumershield.com/articles/hate-crimes-against-white-peopleThis shows a dramatic decline in hate crimes against white folks.>https://worldmetrics.org/black-on-white-violence-statistics/I'm glad that black folks committing hate crimes against whites are being punished for it. That's how it should be for everyone.>>544743538I'm not sure what the "something" that you're referring to is. You're taking a shotgun approach and mixing up a whole bunch of different things. It's a form of rambling, frankly. Take a breath. I feel like we're mostly on the same page.I completely agree that hiring and academic-admissions and leadership-appointment practices should all be merit-based.
>>544743776more, there's endless articles about this. It's a huge problem.
>>544743776>>544743835I don't disagree that it's a problem. We see how concerning it is based on yesterday's internet-wide shock about AI worms, which included an Indian infotech company's failure to provide secure certifications for websites. Things like that are a gigantic concern. But the blame lies on more than one party. Poor hiring practices and a lack of oversight and compliance assessment contribute to these issues that ultimately blow up.Which is why I say policies should be hated, not necessarily or only people who benefit from them.The truth is that most people are lazy and prefer convenience to diligence.
>>544743813So instead of discussing any points you are here to just pretend you can't understand what the discussion is about thus preventing discussion. >This shows a dramatic decline in hate crimes against white folks.CRIMES AGAINST WHITES ARE SOARING YOU FUCKING IDIOT. This is proof that liberal Obama appointed judges are not counting it as hate crime. We are being butchered more than 3x faster than anything the KKK ever did to blacks and blacks are ruiling it not hate. Unprovoked murders more than once a day now. 500,000 unprovoked attacks per year. This is way up since 5 years ago, and 5 years before that.In UX if a change to a site is 5% worse we stop the test and end it early. That is a huge loss. Even a 0.1% loss on conversion will stop a test. But when liberals push a policy that explodes rape 6700%, they pretend they don't know what we're talking about and will actually argue that crime went down. You people are insufferable. Why do you even go online to pretend to discuss anything?Anti white racism is across the board on virtually every subject. We can't get jobs, H1B and Feminism are blocking white men from being allowed to work at all unless we start our own businesses, which more and more of us are doing. We're being excluded from colleges. We're not allowed to self associate. No matter how remote a white area is it is always seen as a problem just for the fact that it is white. This is racism against us and it must stop.
>>544743954>The truth is that most people are lazy and prefer convenience to diligence.Generally, when one makes a claim, one is expected to provide credibility for it.Pic related is information about how black juries side with black defendants with a massive in group preference. Whites are actually the least racist group and you can prove it with science. We're more fair and have lower in group preference than any other race in the US. We hire the fairest, we punish our own, and we don't prefer any groups. But the truth is, we established these laws expecting a level of fair discourse and other races all have massive in group preference. So all those anti racist seminars, you should actually be sharing them with blacks, and Arabs, and Indians, and Hispanics, and even Asians. Sources on that coming up don't you worry.
>>544743449In fact, for Aristotle as for any other Platonist, virtues and values are opposites. The famous happy medium quote is not a definition. Any perfection in general is a mean between excess and defect, but the specific difference of the virtues is their belonging to human nature, thus human perfections. If you did read the Nicomachean Ethics, you didn't do so carefully. >Good ideas can transcend authorial intentSo you admit that you will make Aristotle say whatever you want him to say. Cf. Phaedrus. Why don't you just openly disagree with him like every other civic nationalist does? It would be far more honest, and it would move the discussion forward. Not that this same discussion didn't take place ad nauseam over a decade ago here on /pol/. Ironically, we proved that liberalism cannot endure the marketplace of ideas.
>>544744508This graph says a lot about society. We're being asked to play fair but no one else is playing fair.
>>544744312Anon, your very own link shows a historic decrease in hate crimes against white people. Being skeptical of your claims is not the same thing as not understanding your claim or impeding discussion.You are now making a different allegation: that judges are interfering with the prosecutions of hate crimes. Are you saying that hate crimes are being routinely dismissed from indictments? Or do you mean to say that prosecutors are not charging hate crimes at arraignment? How are Obama-appointed judges not equalized by Trump- and Bush-appointed judges considering federal district judges are lifetime appointments under Article III? How does this affect hate crimes at a state level?I'm not a liberal.I'm not quite sure white males absolutely can't get jobs or a higher education. I agree that there are harmful DEI and affirmative action policies in place, but that's different from flat exclusion.>>544744508I believe the proof is in the pudding. You say that Indians are generally unqualified to hold infotech, infosys, engineering, and related positions. Okay—who's hiring them? Who expanded H1B visas? Which Senators confirmed these alleged Obama-appointed Article III judges who supposedly suppress hate crime statistics? Who allowed PHP vulnerabilities to exist for so long and caused a mini-crisis yesterday? Are you saying that all of these instances do not suggest a shocking lack of diligence?I have no idea what the source on that pic is so I'll refrain from comment.>>544744511Virtues and values are not necessarily opposites. Virtues are a balancing act in many modes of existence. Some of those modes relate to value. They do not always speak to perfection. For instance, fearlessness may be a value, yet as a benchmark of virtue it may be in excess. However, sound judgment is a value and can also exist as a virtue.I don't admit that. I only suggest that Aristotle's lessons can be widely applied even if he at the time wrote it for the Greek polis; eg, Apology.
>>544738331>let's painstakingly and unrealistically comb through every single 8 billion plus talking animal humanoids instead of having some sort of societal structure for people to give a shit about >btw all that diversity goes away when we're practically forced to mix with each other like that to such a degree instead of having some sort of dual monarchy like the Austro-Hungarian empire or hell even the early British empire with just the English and ScottishWe tried doing this shit and your eyes only have to look out the window to see how it's all playing out
>>544744860I looked into this study.The author replies here: https://www.ljzigerell.com/?p=9002>The items are feeling thermometers, asking participants to rate the groups from 0 through 100. The items are on pages 121 to 124, here: https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/anes_timeseries_2020_qnaire_post.pdfLooking at the .pdf, here is the thermometer scale:>Please enter the rating number in the number box. Ratings between 50 degrees and 100 degrees mean that you feel favorable and warm toward the group. Ratings between 0 degrees and 50 degrees mean that you don't feel favorable toward the group and that you don't care too much for that group. You would rate the group at the 50 degree mark if you don't feel particularly warm or cold toward the group.I recommend comparing that with what your posted picture actually shows.There is also updated "thermometer" data here from the same publisher: https://electionstudies.org/data-tools/anes-guide/anes-guide.html?chart=avg_ft_racial_groups
>>544744990>Anon, your very own link shows a historic decrease in hate crimes against white people.I already addressed this. It is proof of discrimination. "CRIMES AGAINST WHITES ARE SOARING YOU FUCKING IDIOT. This is proof that liberal Obama appointed judges are not counting it as hate crime. We are being butchered more than 3x faster than anything the KKK ever did to blacks and blacks are ruiling it not hate. Unprovoked murders more than once a day now. 500,000 unprovoked attacks per year. This is way up since 5 years ago, and 5 years before that."That isn't debated, but the liberal appointed judges don't rule the crimes as hate crimes. Like the killing of Iryna Zarutska, the Ukranian girl on the bus. A black judge ruled it not a hate crime and then re-released the black suspect said he wasn't fit to stand trial and had to go back to the psych clinique she owns, for the 14th time. Another black judge appointed by democrats investigated her and found it isn't a conflict on interest. Teresa Stokes has made millions off of sending black defendants to her own recovery services, and dismissed more than 400 claims of hate crime all black on white. Or remember the autistic white MAG hat kid that blacks kidnapped and tortured? Not a hate crime either apparently. Think a group of white Trump supporters could kidnap a black kid wearing an Obama hat and beat the shit out of him and walk with community service? Or do you think they would get hate crime charges?The fact that unprovoked crime on whites is rapidly growing and they don't count it as hate crime is further evidence of institutionalized discrimination. Stop replying if you're not going to read anything or think.
>>544745414I asked you several questions in response to your point about Obama-appointed judges. The issue is that you don't want to work through an opposing perspective, but stay contained in your own. That is not the mark of a credible mind.
My fellow whites anywhere: I'm so sick of these disgusting shitskins and mongoloids getting uppity.
>>544745389It has been replicated many times and the author is under pressure to have their career destroyed if they do not make PC statements because of institutionalized racism against us. Pay attention. It's like Wow this witness of corruption in the Soviet Union suddenly changed his view after spontaneously loosing all his teeth. You know an ex senator wanted to speak about how Democrats were abusing CPS to kidnap and traffic children and she got kidnapped and beaten up and disappeared for 2 weeks and the hearing was canceled. When she re-emerged no charges were ever filed against anyone and her statement was simply, saying she was wrong and there was no corruption. Her name was Nancy Schaefer.When another senator, Linda Collins, R, started talking about it she was stabbed to death within a week and before she was going to talk about it to the press. Nothing to see here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_CollinsWhat the author says is less important than the publications. In corrupt systems what people say can change due to external pressures. The system you live in is corrupt and oppressive.Look you're still not discussing the point. Why should whites be post racial and care more about ideals than race when we are being discriminated against left and right. You have not done anything but argue about sources, red herrings, and attacking the source. You're like the meme about liberals pretending to not understand anything and thus making discussion impossible. You want to actually discuss Ideas or just attack sources for stuff that isn't really disputed? There's more than 200 citations replicating the jury and race preference stuff, and the crime statistics are real easy to look up. Stay on topic please.
>>544744990>eg, ApologyNot sure whether this is some ESL misuse of e.g. (exempli gratia) or you think that Aristotle wrote the Apology.What you're talking about is fortitude as a mean between cowardice and foolhardiness. This has nothing to do with the question of values, you have a virtue and two opposite vices that correspond to it. The oppositon of values in general to virtues is definitional. A virtue is a habit. A value is a standard of judgment. In the practice of the virtues, understanding what it means to be a certain kind of person: brave, loyal, prudent, etc., is inseparable from the cultivation of those qualities within oneself. Knowledge of the virtues is practical (phronesis). But you can value bravery in the abstract while being a coward or a fool yourself. Societies that come together on the basis of common values always foster hypocrisy. You'll note that I said above that racial cohesion is a value. This is true, it's not a virtue. The corresponding virtue for Aristotle would be piety, by which one honors especially one's family, one's clan, and one's polis as inherently superior to all others, for their own sake and not because of a racial theory or a preferred physiognomy. You cannot have piety while just valuing racial cohesion, because a pious man is himself the principle of that cohesion and can speak about it with some authority. It is not for him an opinion regarding which he is free to be persuaded, anymore than a prudent man's beliefs can alter his power of memory. And this is why compulsory schooling is absolutely necessary from the standpoint of "values," because human beings must be actively prevented from realizing the virtue of piety from an early age, or they become refractory. Racism is anti-colonial.
>>544745526All you are doing is asking the same questions, not reading anything I provide, ignoring my answers, and attacking the source. You are just here to derail any kind of discussion. I'm not going to look at more sources. There's so many on this subject. You can even go to Google Scholar and pull up tons of them. These are real problems and they aren't the point of the thread. I am only posting a tiny fraction of what's available. You being hung up on the sources means you have a counter stance, that these are wrong. To which you have cited nothing. The bottom line is whites face peak anti white racism in the US right now and it is on every institution. There is absolutely no reason why white men should do anything but look out for ourselves right now. We were post racial, as evidenced in numerous Jury, hiring, and preference studies, but no other group was. And as we have given up space to these other groups, they have used their power to merely help their own and nothing else. It's so bad you can have a doctorate as a white guy and get nothing but crickets from thousands of job applications. And you still want me to not see it. Why? You provide anything for the other side of this and stop just attacking the sources and questioning everything. Why should I continue to be post racial? I didn't start out this way but it clearly is very bad now, it didn't seem to do anything positive for me at all.
>>544738256SHUT THE FUCK UP RAJEET F A G G O T C U N T L O S E R F U C K F A C E ;3
>>544738492THEN TOUCH GRASS GO OUTSIDE WITH THE HOMELESS PEOPLE YOU STUPID CUNT
>>544738976YOU HAVEN'T TOUCHED PUSSY IN YOUR LIFE. CALLING IT XD
The truth is I've been judging people by their character all along. Its just an observable realty that the overwhelming majority of people with undesired intangible characteristics also share the same undesirable observable physical qualities. It is easy to hide behind accusations of racism to avoid critical reflection but it doesnt change to truth, only protects your feelings from recognizing them. The truth is that certain cultures and ethnicities are just overwhemlingly represented by bad people and asking people to disregard that truth and ignore their pattern recognition driven instincts is not actually helping anyone or fixing anything. We tell you to assimilate because your culture is inferior and thats why you came here in the first place, because our culture created these opportunities that yours couldn't.
>>544744990You did it anon, you are the meme. Congratulations on another derailed discussion you faggot.
>>544738256>It's time we stop obsessing over race. Instead, we should find common ground with those who hold the same values.You want a nation of white men and asian women?There's no common ground to be found anywhere else.
>>544746015>>544746489>>544746974You're conflating staying "on-topic" with a critical examination of statistics posted in isolation without surrounding context. To suggest that a review of the methodology and analysis of data is a desire to "attack sources" is self-condemnation.All state systems are corrupt and oppressive to varying degrees. Unless you choose to live on sovereign land, you won't escape that—and you'd likely still be exposed to the wills of other actors.I don't think whites should be "post racial and care more about ideals than race." Millions of American citizens with various heritages work together and succeed across many professional sectors. It is by that observation that I believe we should all, no matter what walk of life we travel, live. Anyone who frustrates that principle should not have agency, no matter their background. And I believe that is the direction our country is headed in. This is why I don't believe racial hatred on 4chan is representative of much and impacts little.>>544746368Just pointing to a dialogue that we can all learn from even though it was directed toward an Athenian jury. Ran out of text.Values can be developed through habits, and vice versa. Not all virtues have opposites (e.g., intellectual virtue), nor do all actions/passions/beliefs have desired means. You may want to reread NE.Piety, if we go by your interpretation of Aristotle's definition, is not exclusive to Aristotle's definition of race. One can have a heritage from Crete but be born in Carthage and develop according to that polis and culture.There is no inherent clash between values and virtues. I appreciate your attempt at synthesis, but it is yours alone to live by, not a universal truth. The world will proceed towards values cohesion fertilized by certain virtues.>>544746866Values cohesion requires assimilation. I'm just not so sure that a person of one ethnic group is more likely to be unseemly in his character than any other; eg Huxtables.
No thanks.I unironically prefer a trailer park full of tweakers part of my town to having it a brown people enlave. Even if they are smart brown people.
>>544738256Thats called liberalism and we have been doing it for 200 years now and it doesn't work. It's just a pry bar to have your rights taken away.I am in agreement that all the tribes in America need to form an alliance against the jewish tribe and then we can actually negotiate a deal afterwords. America could semi function as a loose system with segregation again. Everybody gets their own neighborhoods. There can mixed zones for the mutts everyone can take a dump on their genetic dead ends. Then a business/commercial zone where people from different races can work at in unity if needed. Would anyone really have a problem with this? The answer is yes, and those problem people are kikes and kumbaya liberal and their mutts. Why? Because under a system like that they no longer hold the whip and each separate tribe has one.
>>544747026Not necessarily. I dated an Asian woman who turned out to be psychotic. Applying a particular trait to every constituent of a larger group is a classic fallacy. But I admit she provides societal value in other ways.It's a hard thing to balance.>>544747316You realize those destructive tweakers (a tautology) would contribute to the decay in your picture, yes?>>544747319Liberalism goes too far. But we do see how conservatives can unite under a tent of values. Liberal unity appears to be nondiscriminatory. Conservative unity appears to be discriminatory.
>>544747155>It's time we stop obsessing over race.Why when we are discriminated against?>omg prove that! look at the author's comments and this statistic I don't understand and I'm not even gonna look at black on white crime statistics or hiring rate, what the fuck is even Bureau of Labor Statistics? That's probably not valid. I prefer to ignore them and ask you for more sources. We must scrutinize and put down every single source you have and ignore the replications and derivative body of work. This thread is now about the review of the methodology and analysis of data about the obvious violence and discrimination whites are facing. Everything plainly institutional like Affirmative Action, DEI, and Black and Hispanic only Scholarships I will just totally ignore. Infact provide infinite sources to those too, every college in the US show every fellowship Just 10-12 won't cut it. I'm never going to provide any sources btw. Dude go fuck yourself. Prove anything you are saying! "American citizens with various heritages work together and succeed across many professional sectors" No they aren't since DEI and Affimative Action everything got way worse. We now have sub 1% hiring rate, that's not working together you stupid fuck. That's being totally excluded. And for what? Flops and bankruptcies increasing by 800% since DEI started? It's not working. literally 1% of the market growth was outside AI. So literally every other industry is barely getting by and failing to keep up with inflation. Carrying millions of incompetent parasites and high crime high welfare populations is dragging us into the gutter and all of that is very racial. You need to provide evidence that it's not racial. You need to provide proof that any other group is fair to us. You need to provide proof that multiculturalism has had any benefits or success. You can't because it doesn't exist. Things are worse than ever.Multiculturalism led DHS to have 96 databases wiped. So successful.
>>544748302Major Movie Flops since DEI policy startedYear Movie Budget Worldwide Gross Loss (Millions)2014 Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return 70 19 -512015 Jupiter Ascending 179 184 52015 Tomorrowland 190 209 192015 Pan 150 128 -222015 Fantastic Four 155 168 132016 Ben-Hur 100 94 -62016 Monster Trucks 125 65 -602016 Alice Through the Looking Glass 170 299 1292017 King Arthur: Legend of the Sword 175 153 -222017 Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets 180 226 462018 Solo: A Star Wars Story 275 393 1182018 Mortal Engines 150 84 -662019 Dark Phoenix 200 252 522019 Terminator: Dark Fate 196 261 652019 Gemini Man 138 166 282019 Cats 100 75 -252020 Dolittle 175 251 762021 The Last Duel 100 30 -702021 West Side Story 100 76 -242021 Matrix Resurrections 190 159 -312022 Moonfall 140 67 -732022 Lightyear 200 226 262022 Strange World 180 74 -1062022 Black Adam 200 393 1932023 Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania 200 476 2762023 The Flash 300 271 -292023 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 295 384 892023 The Marvels 220 206 -142023 Wish 200 255 552023 Haunted Mansion 150 117 -332024 Argylle 200 96 -1042024 Madame Web 80 101 212024 The Fall Guy 130 181 512024 Furiosa 168 174 62024 Borderlands 120 33 -872024 Joker: Folie à Deux 190 207 172024 Megalopolis 120 67 -532025 Snow White 240 206 -342025 Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning 400 598 1982025 Tron: Ares 220 133 -872025 Elio 150 154 4Part 1. omg so much success
>>544747155>Just pointing to a dialogue that we can all learn from even though it was directed toward an Athenian jury. Ran out of text.You meant cf., confer.I didn't say that virtues and values must clash, I said that they are opposites. However, to the extent that the world "proceeds toward value cohesion," this does of course eliminate the practice of the virtues. Thank you for making your globalist bias and your fanatical belief in human progress explicit. Aristotle posits no theory of multiculturalism. A man of Cretan descent born and raised in Carthage is just what the Carthaginians recognize him and his family to be, whether a foreigner or a Carthaginian. Racial ambiguity exists for those who want it, but nobody in Aristotle's world wants it. It's a construct. One doesn't speak of "cultures" until the modern period. The polis is natural, an individual can have one at most, and those outside one's own are equivalent to stateless barbarians; one owes them nothing whatsoever. Accordingly, the world does not develop in any particular direction. The polis can but the world cannot. If by "universal truth" you mean a point of general agreement among all peoples, only the most obvious fact of the world as a constantly changing multiplicity can be admitted, and not only my views but yours as well remain your own. But it is your argument that appeals to a future state of mankind and that requires a sea change from the 400lb NEETs on a Chinese underwater basket weaving forum to stay intact. For me, nothing ever happens.
>>544748374Part 22026 Supergirl 170 126 -442026 The Bride! 40 14 -262026 Moana (live-action) 250 95 -1552026 Masters of the Universe 340 114 -2262024 Borderlands $120 $33 -872024 Joker: Folie à Deux $190 $207 172024 Megalopolis $120 $67 -532025 Snow White $240 $206 -342025 Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning $400 $598 1982025 Tron: Ares $220 $133 -872025 Elio $150 $154 42026 Supergirl $170 $126 -442026 The Bride! $40 $13.60 -26.42026 Moana (live-action) $250 $95 -1552026 Masters of the Universe $340 $113.50 -226.5 10261 9806.1 -454.9Wow it is almost like people with investment money at a firm like Blackrock invest based on DEI scores they created and it forces c-suite to do what they want instead of what makes the most money and this is horrific for the economy. The flops are all form companies that had the highest DEI scores on shareholder reports. The negative does not capture loss of merch sales which is half a trillion negative.
fuck you pilpuling shit stinking jeet. Europeans will take our own side and kick you shits out of Europe. You belong in India not in my city. Death to pissrael!
>>544748519Video game flops since DEIMajor Video Game Flops (2014–2026) Year Game Publisher2015 Evolve 2K2016 Battleborn 2K2017 Mass Effect: Andromeda EA2017 LawBreakers Nexon2017 Agents of Mayhem Deep Silver2018 Fallout 76 Bethesda2019 Anthem EA2020 Marvel's Avengers Square Enix2020 Hyper Scape Ubisoft2021 Back 4 Blood Warner Bros.2022 Babylon's Fall Square Enix2022 CrossfireX Xbox2022 Gotham Knights Warner Bros.2023 Forspoken Square Enix2023 Redfall Bethesda2023 The Lord of the Rings: Gollum Daedalic2023 Immortals of Aveum EA2023 Hyenas (cancelled) Sega2023 The Day Before Fntastic2023 Skull Island: Rise of Kong GameMill2024 Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Warner Bros.2024 Skull and Bones Ubisoft2024 Concord Sony2024 Foamstars Square Enix2024 Star Wars Outlaws Ubisoft2024 Unknown 9: Awakening Bandai Namco2025 FBC: Firebreak Remedy2025 MindsEye IO InteractiveThese don't all share their budget but it's estimated in the hundreds of billions in losses. Maybe the real multicultural success was Blizzard's Inclusivity diagrams for Overwatch characters they made along the way. Overwatch was a success but since the Diversity Space method was created, they have been struggling hard and objectively ruined the game. Overwatch no longer exists, just the shitstain that is Overwatch 2. They have lost most of their players and spent hundreds of millions doing it.
>>544748302Anon, are you a bot? I've said multiple times that I find Affirmative Action, DEI, misandry-powered feminism, and non-merit-based hiring & admissions practices harmful.>>544748435I didn't mean cf. I don't know how you're using it, but in my field it usually means to draw a distinction or compare, not confer.I don't have a globalist bias (I'm America First). We agree that the polis is natural and an individual can have one at most. That the leading nation has become more pluralist in identity is a universal truth, not a view. Values cohesion relates to virtues cohesion relates to polis cohesion. Even within a polis, values and virtues have remained separated because perfection is an ideal and something approximating virtuous perfection does not suggest perfection in general.You're right about 4chan lolI like your style, anon, and I think we are actually aligned in some fundamental ways. Where are you from?
>>544748710I need to update my game list, 2026 Halo Remake2026 Wolverine2026 Gears of War Gay day.Those alone are almost negative 1B$. Year TV Show Budget ($) Seasons2014 Marco Polo 200 22015 Sense8 171 22016 The Get Down 120 12017 Inhumans 100 12018 The Alienist 80 22019 See 360 32019 The Morning Show 250 4+2020 Away 100 12020 Jupiter's Legacy 200 12021 The Irregulars 80 12021 Cowboy Bebop 120 12021 The Nevers 80 12022 1899 62 12022 The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 465 2+2022 The Wheel of Time 261 32022 Willow 100 12023 Citadel 300 1+2023 Secret Invasion 212 12023 The Idol 75 12023 Gen V 60 22024 The Acolyte 230 12024 The Regime 70 12024 The Brothers Sun 60 12024 Kaos 60 12025 The Institute 60 12025 The Bondsman 60 12025 Ironheart 150 12026 Blade Runner 2099 100 12026 Lanterns 200 1+DEI impact on TV is hard to measure due to subscription models, but many streaming platforms are struggling to grow, many had to shut down or failed. And others are vastly underperforming despite a continued shift to Streaming instead of Broadcast. Rings of Power and the Acolyte are very expensive shows tied to no change in subscriptions. This is obviously not the performance they wanted. Amazon teams talking about Rings of Power called Tolkien problematic and a racist Nazi. He was literally a soldier that fought Nazis. But they were focused on expunging whiteness and catholic allegory from his work as much as possible. Disgusting fans and making no new ones.
>>544749021Then there are major company bankruptcies, which 12 years before and after DEI saw over an 800% increase in bankruptcies when weighted for size of company by value. It is even worse if you consider total jobs lost.Year Company Industry Assets at Filing ($)2014 Energy Future Holdings Energy 41,0002014 NII Holdings Telecommunications 8,7002015 RadioShack Retail 1,2002015 Quicksilver Resources Energy 1,5002016 SunEdison Renewable Energy 11,5002016 Peabody Energy Coal 11,0002016 LINN Energy Oil & Gas 9,9002016 Arch Coal Coal 8,4002017 Toys "R" Us Retail 6,2002017 Gymboree Retail 1,1002017 iHeartMedia Media 12,3002017 Apergy / Weatherford Oil & Gas 7,6002018 Sears Holdings Retail 7,2002018 iHeartMedia Media 12,8002018 Claire's Retail 2,0002018 The Bon-Ton Retail 1,5002019 PG&E Utility 71,0002019 Ditech Mortgage 14,2002019 Windstream Telecommunications 13,1002019 Weatherford International Oil & Gas 6,6002019 Dean Foods Food 2,3002020 Hertz Automotive Rental 25,8002020 J.C. Penney Retail 8,6002020 Neiman Marcus Retail 5,1002020 J.Crew Apparel 2,1002020 Brooks Brothers Apparel 2532020 GNC Retail/Health 2,5002020 24 Hour Fitness Fitness 1,3002020 Virgin Australia Airline 5,7002020 Ascena Retail Group Retail 1,600Part 1
>>544738492Based. This board's retarded slur-based, penis-obsessed culture was started by Epstein to prevent Occupy Wall Street 2.0
>>544749114Part 22021 Belk Department Store 4,8002021 Purdue Pharma Pharmaceuticals 11,2002021 Revlon Cosmetics 3,7002022 Cineworld / Regal Movie Theaters 8,9002022 Avaya Telecommunications 2,5002022 Invacare Medical Equipment 1,1002023 WeWork Office/Real Estate 15,0002023 Rite Aid Pharmacy 8,6002023 Yellow Corp. Trucking 2,1002023 Bed Bath & Beyond Retail 4,4002023 Party City Retail 1,7002023 Lordstown Motors Automotive 2202023 SmileDirectClub Healthcare 332024 Spirit Airlines Airline 7,5002024 Red Lobster Restaurants 1,0002024 Big Lots Retail 2,3002024 Joann Retail 2,4002024 Express Retail 1,0002024 The Container Store Retail 8402024 Tupperware Consumer Products 1,2002025 Rite Aid Pharmacy 2,0002025 Forever 21 Retail 8002025 Joann Retail 2,0002025 The Container Store Retail 7002025 At Home Home Retail 2,0002025 Del Monte Foods Food 2,7002025 Claire's Retail 1,0002026 Saks Global Luxury Retail 10,000+2026 Meritage Hospitality Group Restaurants 500This does not even include smaller companies like QVC which also filed for Bakrupcy in 2026 after DEI bragging that 80% of their managers are now women. Even to the point where Linkedin shows female AB testing Sr Managers just have AA degrees. These feminist promotions and outsourcing to Indian developers was done in the years prior to their Bankruptcy. They do however, continue to operate so they did not collapse completely. This psycho feminism does seem to be the culperit. This idea that women and minorities must have leadership positions for no other merit than being a woman or having dark skin. It is costing the US deeply. China is not suffering these problems, so it cannot be blamed on ecommerse trends because their region has the same trends yet are booming. There is a .83 Pearson correlation with high DEI scores and declining business. It is not successful to exclude whites and ignore merit. The 12 years before this have almost no entries.I fucking love science.
>>544738492>Your opinion is irrelevant. This is a thread for Americans.Actually based, I may have misjudged you anon. I hope providing information is useful. Even the things you complained about have alternative sources that are not hard to find if you look. I hope you examine this issue more. I for one, was post racial and now I am not. I have a kid and don't want him growing up in a country that hates him. I will leave the US if I have to. I have no intention of letting my millions in investments be taxed to oblivion just to fund my ethnic replacement and fund free college for everyone that isn't my son and pay for free healthcare to anyone that's not my family and kin. I refuse. And I hope to God we have political solutions and I am not forced to leave. But If I am forced out of work and cannot get a new Job, I'm 1600 applications in with an ABD, and cannot get anything. If I lose the job I have then my current only lined up interviews are all for Norway and Switzerland. I will not stay where I am not wanted and if I have to abandon my homeland because of discrimination from women and shitskins I will never forgive them.
>>544749915I'm sorry about your situation, anon. I don't think there is as much daylight between us as you believe. I just think many of the symptoms you're highlighting have preceding causes (idealistic policies issued by white progressives) that deserve to be highlighted and excoriated. I'm not against nationally reduced college tuition and easier access to healthcare for all American citizens, but I agree that it shouldn't come at so high a cost that your own family is being deprived of opportunities you worked to provide them with.Norway is on my list of backup countries as well, though I hope it doesn't come to that. I really love our nation. And I think the Trump Administration is generally moving in the right direction. It's just not possible to undo decades of progressive policy in one or two presidential terms. I hope Vance and Rubio continue the show in 2028.
>>544748742>I didn't mean cf. I don't know how you're using it, but in my field it usually means to draw a distinction or compare, not confer.It literally means confer.We don't have a polis. A nation-state is not a polity, it's something more like a religious sect, which is why the term identity arises in connection to it and why it must spread its peculiar Sittlichkeit abroad. The pluralist identity you speak of is itself a certain view. It's a view in light of which voluntary subordination to the collective self-determination of the mob equals freedom. There isn't a universal truth about this view, because it's always changing. Actually it's meaningless. Perfection for Aristotle is something actual, it's never a mere ideal. It's the energeia of a nature. You invoke an approximation, like an imago hominis, but this is precisely perfection as a value, not the Aristotelian arete. Not even the Gospel concept that "no one is good but God" really maps to the notion that perfection is an abstract ideal. "Be ye perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect," would be understood literally and taken seriously in the primitive church. With forensic justification this begins to assume the character of a value or an impossible ideal, and it only becomes a general way of evaluating human behavior much later. That this is progress, or to put it less strongly, that this constitutes the development of consciousness toward a universal, or just toward something in particular, is just an opinion. It's not evident. One just assumes that because this is how institutions speak about the consumer, that this is how people really understand themselves; I think not.
It’s neither race nor values that ultimately matter but rather culture and politics. The people we have to fight for are not white people, but Western people, and our politics need to practical and not idealistically based on race or values.
>>544750546It may, but it has a specific legal connotation. I meant to use e.g.>We don't have a polis. A nation-state is not a polity, it's something more like a religious sectPolity and sectarianism aren't that far apart. One has always informed the other. It's also more accurate to say we are a station of nations rather than a nation-state.>pluralist identity... voluntary subordination to the collective self-determination of the mob equals freedomWe are not a direct democracy and the various nationwide protests and political animus ought to show that such subordination is not given. We also have sizable populations of libertarians, anarchists, communists, and similar groups whose principals contradict this notion. For America, a pluralist identity says no more than that a mixture of foundational or potentially consequential ideas has been applied or exists to be applied.>universal truthThe fact that pluralism exists is not meaningless.>Perfection for Aristotle is something actual, it's never a mere ideal.In case I was unclear, that's my viewpoint. Striving for perfection is the best man can accomplish. There is no durable and constant perfection even if instances of the virtuous state exist. But this argument digresses from the point, which relates to cohesion of values, virtues, and polis as it relates to modern-day America.>With forensic justification this begins to assume the character of a value or an impossible ideal... that this constitutes the development... not evident.I don't think this train of thought follows. Judgment necessarily existed alongside aspiration at all times.
>>544750665True, but in the first instance, values (or habits before them) inform culture and politics. After that, perhaps one feeds the other in lockstep.>The people we have to fight for are not white people, but Western people, and our politics need to practical and not idealistically based on race or values.Completely agree.
>>544738256If you had good ideas and values you would want to separate also
>>544751317From the beginning, sect and polity are mutually inimical, which is why first century Christians are persecuted immediately by both Jews and gentiles. They're viewed as a sect from the outside, while from the inside they view themselves as a mystery cult. That these three are seen as nearly the same thing now shows exactly how apolitical modern thinking has become. The political is reduced to the social.Direct democracy is but one form of collective self-determination. The various ideologies and activities that you mention presuppose the myth of popular sovereignty. Even national socialism wants collective self-determination, but pluralism of any kind is more given to it, not less. What counts in any case is the sovereign will, the question however is whose that is. Pre-modern polities assume heteronomy; Athenian democrats nevertheless own slaves and lord it over non-citizens. It remains the real order of things. If this is not recognized, then it is impossible to form a meaningful sentence about politics. If it is recognized, then the sources of cohesion in America and broadly in the Westernized world look very different.
Fuck of spic/jeet/kike. You're all going to die screaming. You are scum and nothing will change that.
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>>544752001I don't agree. Sect and polity share the same source. America has foundational case law that discusses the very nature of sect (or, more loosely, religion - though both work depending on the framing of "sect") and polity. The Declaration of Independence invokes the Creator (i.e., the Christian God) multiple times. The sociopolitical notion of God-given rights, advanced first by Locke, infuses those same concepts.Sovereignty is always presupposed at the level of collective self-determination. Otherwise the collective cannot come to form a majority direction.We should move away pre-modern polities in a thread about modern-day America and how a polis can best be applied today in the quest for cohesion.Heteronomy must be assumed even today if we examine the force of the social contract, but it is not absolute—and the social contract itself assumes a primordial instantiation of self-governed consent.>>544752387>>544752175Angry anonymous yelling on a dying anime website accomplishes nothing, anons.>>544751622From those with bad ideas and values, indeed.
>>544750255Thanks, good luck to you too. We don't seem to be able to go back to post racial since that is what got us here and it failed spectacularly. These other groups overwhelmingly don't share out values. Indians especially don't. Their ingroup preference makes Jews blush. It's shocking. They side with their own as a matter of cultural principals. They are obligated to hire their own via Izzat. It's not hate of us, but strong pressure to improve the clout of their own group. And liberals say it is impossible for them to be racist so they never get told to stop, they aren't told that being extremely racist and unfair hurts their clout so they keep doing it. There's no shared valued here.Others are united in hating us with majority of black women thinking negatively against whites. It's the top reason they give on why they vote democrat. Yet we try to be fair. A black kid is safe growing up even in a poor white neighborhood, but white kids in a 50% black well to do neighborhood get shot while riding their tricycle. That would water down anything else. Even if most of that well to do black community agreed with us on everything, enough of them hate us that it makes being near them lethal for us. They make every single thing about race and we never do. We should. It seems we need to get much more racial and advocate for being protected as a group.
Or we should just balkanize, kill all indians and other non-natives, and then eat people like you who keep trying to preach ideas that failed 50 years ago like it's the hottest new shit.
>>544752638>no chili
>>544742622>retard has no clue why his 'everyone be friends' bullshit doesn't work>"SOURCES? SOURCES? CITE EVERYTHING even though I should have looked it up before hand if I wanted to have a conversation"Oh and boomers need to die too. I haven't met a single boomer willing to admit this, they just scream "young white people especially men are lazy, they should just join the army" no nigga we should overthrow society and eat people like you.
>>544752718>>544752933Seeing as "eating people" isn't likely to happen, I suggest thinking of a productive alternative.
>>544750665>bland talking points from the 1930s that have already failedWe will eat you too.
>>544738256lol tell me you have nigger blood without telling me you have nigger blood
>>544753268Having black skin and having the heart of a nigger are distinct concepts.
>>544752455You're making my case for me. America is a cult (here in the sense of a lawless sect, not a mystery school or devotion to a saint or a god), founded by cultists. It is not a polity. We shouldn't move away from pre-modern polities because this distinction is actually foundational to exposing the nature of your own project, which aligns with international Jewry. The latter still believes in the pre-modern polity and considers your ideology a convenient lie.
>>544753351Cope mudblood
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>>544753445Respectfully, we'll have to agree to disagree at this point. I have to finish some work so I have time to study this evening. I wish we could've had this conversation in person; we would've covered more ground in the same amount of time.Despite our differences, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. Please don't forget to vote.
>>544753802>Please don't forget to voteThe cherry on top of this strange discussion.
>>544753802>Please don't forget to vote.Midwit nigger confirmed
