If having an identity crisis was an olympic sport, bosnian muslims would be the world champions every single time. There isn't a people on planet earth with less of an idea of who they are.
>>544788567Bruhs thats serbs. Most Serbs fought toghether with turks back then and during ww2 switched sides between chetniks and partisans. Also Bosnian language is older than serbian. Also you are Bosnian yourself, just orthodox.
>>544788567>bosnianfilth>muslimsfilth
>>544788675It's one people and one language, retard. National distinction arose from religion such as Catholicism and Islam.
>>544788675I'm a herzegovinian croat catholic. And you're right about serbs, but they're a close second.
>>544788567It would be dalits of course. They are dalit inside hindu and outside they are nobody.
>little countries caught in the middle of a bunch of big assholes are forced ally with whoever they can to survive This some kind of weird foreigner grudge that makes nonsense to anyone else?
>>544788567>identity crisisthe dude you posted was just a piece of honorless opportunist scum scum don't have identity, they have immediate interests
>>544788766croats are not real you are just a serbianized slovenian.
>>544788766Ahh i heard you are the jews of Croatia. That you took over lots of Institutions which were held by serbs before. Are you guys really clanish?
>>544788844Croatian croats hate us because we're conservative and make shit up.
>>544788567european heritage is fundamentally incompatible with islam
>>544788867Apperantly also for listening to turbofolk so i heard. Btw what do you think of Albanians? Lots of Croats fraternize with them
>>544788731Agreed.Kikes also filth
>>544788567we wuz>knights >califs>nazis>mujahideen what else bro?
>>544788675>saar no i am bangladeshi, not indian
>>544789046Migrants in Germany
>>544789005All croats listen to turbofolk unfortunately. I don't know much about albanians but they look brown and dirty.
>>544789259How much lf your family lives in Germany?
>>544789259Turbofolk is trash, and only trash listens to it.
>>544789300Nobody. My grandfather lived for a time but came back before the war.
>>544789507Are you happy with the status quo in bosnia for Croats?
>>544788567>Muslim Slovaks to Croat CzechsIt's really not that difficult.
>>544788766Why do Croats from Croatia hate you guys so much?
>>544788992Europeans used to be fundamentally incompatible with Christianity until they got the snot beaten out of them
>>544789634I want our own entity, other than that, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. >>544789959Croatian leftists hate us because we're conservative, rightists hate us becase we defended ourselves from muslims who they consider muslism croats as per the ustashe ideology.
>>544790148> we defended ourselves from muslims who they consider muslism croats as per the ustashe ideology.I thought ustasha is based
>>544790148I admire Croats for being so hateful. They hate eachother so much over these minor petty disputes. Most Croats learn about the Serbian-Albanian war from the Serbian point of view, where of course Serbs are innocent victims of a ZOG plot using Albanians as bioweapons. Yet most Croats still support Albanians. They side with the devil just to spite Serbs. I wish we had the same amount of hate for our national enemies too.
>>544788567isn't that the fat guy from full metal jacket?
>>544790018Yes. Some of us are still seething about that one and plotting our revenge in exile. Stop being a filthy abo and join us.
>>544790247You have the Problem of no unified religion
>>544788675>Most Serbs fought toghether with turks back then>the people in the Balkans with the most extensive list of battles and wars against Turks are actually their allies>not me, who is a muslim convert and whose people, after Albanians, occupied the most grand vizier and commander positions in Ottoman servicebosniak cope is impeccable
>>544790201Funny how croat leftists call us ustashe when we hate bosnian muslims more than anyone. HOS is especially hated here, while being praised among croat rightists for being the succesors to the ustashe and allowed muslims to join. The muslims then took the weapons they gave them and turned them on bosnian amd herzegovinian croats.
>>544790315No one here cares about religion because of the communists banning it. I always found it weird how obsessed others are with it.
>>544790449I thought you meant albanians as a whole. Every Kosovar i know is practicing muslim
>>544790269He looks nothing like Gomer Pyle.
>>544790583>diasporas
>>544788567>>544788761>>544788731>>544788815>>544788992>>544790583>>544790449>>544790398>bosnian muslims would be the world championsThe average white westerner is in a delusional fever dream thinking they're the reincarnation of tv show Ragnar in their bedroom saving wiccan pinterest valhalla "norse" tattoo (from the 1800s that is) ideasThe average westerner is such a rootless cosmopolitan they have no idea what or who they are;Everyone is in a deeply self curated fever dream in their own heads, thanks to the internetLess than 1% of the Anglosphere directly descend from the Vikings with a Scandinavian subclade haplogroup like I1-P109. Less than 6% have any Viking DNA at allYet every second motherfucker thinks they're Ragnar or some shit because they played god of my wife's son and consume jewish entertainment products, even though they're Anglo/Celt peasant stock. England isn't even 50% fucking Germanic.Don't fucking pretend you know what an identity crisis is; the average English speaker doesn't even know who fuckijng Hengst and Horsa are but can tell you about a jew like Moses or Noah's Arc
>>544788675???? Bosnian Muslims fought significantly more for the ottomans, along with Albanians, they were literally the enforcers of ottoman rule - they just didn't have a state. Serbia fought a total of 3 battles on the side of the ottomans as legal vassals for about 40 years when the Serbian empire fell.Serbia has the largest list of conflicts against the Ottomans in the world, while other Balkan countries like Bulgaria, Greece and Albania have less overall than Serbia has in one decade.Serbs were also bordermen and military guard in the Austria-hungarian empire, especially in Vojvodina (hence battleland) and Croatia (hence srpska krajina), where they were given permission to settle near the borders after Serbia and Bosnia fell, in exchange for military protection. This means that even in Austria Hungary and Croatia, a significant portion of the soldiers were Serbs, fighting for their flags, not Croats.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian%E2%80%93Ottoman_conflicts
>>544788675>When comparing who fought more for (rather than against) the Ottoman Empire, Albanians fought for the Ottomans significantly more in terms of overall duration, numbers, and high-level strategic impact
>>544792802>>544792785>>544788675>>544788766Not to mention their current identity struggles>Everything turns red from the Turkish flags: See the atmosphere at the Children's Festival in Zenica>Children came from all across Bosnia and Herzegovina, in total 6000
>>544788815>>544788675This, but that's Bosnian Muslims as a whole
>>544788675Not to mention we were the only ones to genocide Turks and ethnically cleanse them after the first balkan war, Greeks and Bulgarians didn't.
>>544793074>>544788675Now, Turks only exist in Bulgaria, Kosovo,. Macedonia, Romania and Greece and Muslim countries in the Balkans. Muslims assimilated them and hid them from the Serbian army, while the bulgarian army refused to genocide them and Greeks genocided the eastern half.Local converts were spared in Serbia and Bosnia.
>>544792785>>544792845>>544792884cope
>>544788567I went to Bosnia a couple months back. Everyone was nice enough, the mostsr bridge jump is cool especially in 42 degree weather
>>544793110Yea, around 3 battles as legal vassals ... With a state... Which Muslims didn't have. Learn history
>>544788567The ContrarianGOD himself
>>544793110You can start here and see that Serbia has more conflicts in a single decade than Albanians and Bosnians combined in the entire period of ottoman rule.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian%E2%80%93Ottoman_conflicts
>>544793270And that doesn't include Serbs in the Austrian ranks and Croatian ranks
>>544793232Cope
>>544793110> 1402and they call jews clingy
>>544793287>>544793110Now look at one single century of SerbiaEarly encountersKingdom of SerbiaBattle of Gallipoli (1312)Byzantine civil war of 1341–1347Battle of Stephaniana (1344)Serbian EmpireByzantine civil war of 1352–1357Battle of Demotika (1352)Battle of Serres (1357)Fall of the Serbian EmpireBattle of Sırpsındığı (1364)Battle of Samokov (1371)Battle of Maritsa (1371)Battle of Dubravnica (1381)Battle of Pločnik (1386)Battle of Kosovo (1389)Serbian DespotateDynastic conflicts in Serbia [sr] (1402–1412)Battle of Tripolje (1402)Siege of Novo Brdo (1412)War of the South Danube (1420–1432)Ottoman invasion of Serbia (1425)Ottoman invasion of Serbia (1427)Siege of Novo Brdo (1427)Hungarian–Ottoman War (1437–1442)Siege of Smederevo (1437)Siege of Smederevo (1439)Siege of Belgrade (1440)Siege of Novo Brdo (1440–1441)Crusade of VarnaLong campaign [sr]Battle of Nish (1443)Battle of Zlatitsa (1443)Battle of Kunovica (1444)Mehmed II's Serbian campaignsBattle of Ostrvica (1454)Siege of Smederevo [sr] (1454)Battle of Leskovac (1454)Battle of Kruševac (1454)Serbian–Hungarian raid on Ottoman territory (1454)Battle of Tripolje (1454)Siege of Novo Brdo (1455)Siege of Smederevo [sr] (1456)Siege of Belgrade (1456)Siege of Smederevo (1458)Siege of Smederevo (1459)[3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian%E2%80%93Ottoman_conflicts
>>544788567
>>544793287>>544793110In all of those are also Bosnian Muslims and Albanians included, they just didn't have a stateSingle google search "who fought more for the ottoman empire - serbs, Albanians and Bosnian Muslims"
>>544793409While the list of conflicts against ottomans includes uprisings (i.e. rebellions i.e. counts without a state) and yet Albanians have FIVE in SIX centuries lol
>>544788567You're turkicNext question
>>544793359I just wish they were consistent. First they werr bigger turks than turks themselves, then when austria hungary annexed them they were were selected as the emperor's personal body guard, then during ww2 they were croats, then yugoslavians and now they have no idea where they stand. They erect statues of figures from the catholic kingdom of bosnia including tvrtko who called muslims demons. Schizophrenia - the people.
>>544793733"There can be no peace or coexistence between the Islamic faith and non-Islamic social and political institutions...the state should be an expression of religion and should support its moral concepts."[14]>Osama bin Laden served as a military adviser to the Bosnian president, Alija Izetbegović, in 1992-94>>The Declaration designated Pakistan as a model country to be emulated by Muslim revolutionaries worldwide.[15] One of the passages that was in particular picked out by his opponents was, "There can be no peace or coexistence between the Islamic faith and non-Islamic social and political institutions...the state should be an expression of religion and should support its moral concepts."[14]>Bosniak leader wrote a book "Islamic declaration", in which he advocated for ethnic cleansing of Christians (both Catholic and Orthodox) from Bosnia because "Christians cannot live alongside Muslims and claimed the only way for Muslims to have their own country is if they ethnically cleansed all the Christians". For this, he was jailed in Yugoslavia by Tito and considered a terrorist. This was before any of the wars.
>>544793733>>544793868Bosnia (name of a river) was home to Serbs as the main ethnic group since medieval ages until 1961., as per Austrian, ottoman and Yugoslav censuses, and since Serbs were the majority in 72% of Bosnia, now 58%, while Republika Srpska controls only 49%, meaning 9% of Serbs outside of Republika Srpska, while Bosnian Muslims live in only 28% and always have.[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_mujahideen#[2]https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0_%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%B8_%D0%A5%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5[3]1981 Yugoslavia ethnic census - https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0:Bosnia_Herzegovina_Ethnic_1981.png[4]2013 - ethnic census Bosnia and Herzegovina -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_population_census_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina[5]Austrian population census of Bosnia 1879https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1879_population_census_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
>>544793733>Tvrto>Tvrko>Tvrk>Turk>Sarbani>Serboi>SerbThere in plain sight turko-Iranian mongrelistanis
>>544793868>>544793901Bosnia zoomed in, in 1981 (before wars)Source: Yugoslav census 1981https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0:Bosnia_Herzegovina_Ethnic_1981.png
>>544793930>>544793901>>544793868After the war in picrel, according to the Bosnia and Herzegovina 2013 censusIf you compare the after war 2013 ethnic map (from Bosnia and Herzegovina's official census) of Bosnia to the pre-war 1981, 1940, 1960 (Yugoslavia) or 1879 (Austrian census), you'll see that there's not much difference in terms of who populates what land, only an increase in Muslims since they breed like nigs. It effectively changed nothing otherwise.
>>544793925Google search debunks all Albanian lies in 0.2s, no relation between sarbans and Serbs genetically, historically or linguistically.>There is no genetic , linguistic, or historical connection
>>544793925Subclade haplgroup J2b1 (specific male lineage) found in 4% of Serbs, 0% of gheg Albanians and 5% of Iranians. Sarban gene tribe. Nobody in Europe has this gene except south slavs and this gene has never been found in ancient gravesite.
>>544793925>>544793992>There is no linguistic correlation between the term Sarbani and the Serbs because they belong to completely separate language families and share entirely distinct etymological origins. The superficial phonetic similarity between the two words is a classic case of false cognates (words that sound similar but are historically unrelated).
that's really most europeans in general, brutally mind raped by layers of different flavors of abrahamism, a ruined form of life
>>544793992>>544794047100% genetic, linguistic and cultural links
>>544793110>>544793287>Always the same 2-3 cherry-picked battlesHungary fought a lot more battles together woth Ottomans (see Kuruc movement and John Zapolya). Siege of Buda and Battle of Vienna just being two examples of the top of my head. Yet noone seems to care. Because Hungarians don't really have natural enemies like croaches, analbanians and turko-bosniaks who make memes about the nation who they seethe about the most - Serbs.Not to mention France fought with the Turks on multiple occassions, forming an alliance against AH. Venice and Genoa transported Ottoman army through Europe for money. Britain and France sent ships to halt the advancing Russian army 14 km before reaching Constantinople. Serbs (and Montenegrin Serbs) have by far the most battles and wars against Turks. Croats have also their place for their resistance but being closer to AH geographically (and further away from Turks) gave them more edge.
>>544794099No it’s the big important battles, Serb chimps like orcs in 40k would occasionally waaaahhhhh and chimpout before being put back in their place.
>>544794070Our subclade of J is paleo-balkan vlachs hence only 3%, the map of our subclsde is essentially a heat map of vlachs, hence it's also found in south Albania, either way you'd only prove a connection to Iran, which is an accepted possible origin, i.e. Iranian tribe -> Northern Europe -> Balkans, whereas yours came from north Africa.
>>544794178Embarrassing low iq retort. Your subclade of J is literally from Iran and not from the Balkans. Blaming it entirely on vlach would mean that vlach came from Iran but they did not, you did.
>>544794178However, there's no relation to the thing you added on that map, i.e. Pakistan, it comes from a random site and is not accepted by historians, geneticists and linguists.There's also Caucasian Albania in that same region. That's, now, a much more closer linguistic relation than two unrelated words of different linguistic families.
>>544793958That's becuase they were ass at fighting. The got their asses handed to them by both serbs and croats. Reminder that arbih never one a single battle on their own. Zero. Got their asses handed to them by serbs, threw a tantrum and attacked croats who were helping them to steal land and got schwacked in that endevour too.
>>544794168The last Byzantine emperor that died in Constantinople was half-Serbian.
>>544794234Sarb and Serb are very much related words. Albania simply means white in Latin.
>>544794225Lol. We can see where we actually came from, and it's northern Europe around Germany today, i.e. white Serbia (white means west for Slavs).Our subclade of J in the Balkans is a heat map of vlachs and is only 3% anyway.
>>544794241*to steal croat land becuase they couldn't move an inch against serbs and thought they could against croats
>>544788567Hungarians think they are ultra turks or some shit. Meanwhile they barely have genes from the real magyars who weren't roaches even. Many of them also think their language is turkic, because clearly the Finno-Ugric theory was a German lie to attack them. They're retarded, and genetically generic euromutt slavs ruled over by gypsies
>>544794290Sarbani and Serb have no relation linguistically, two different families. It's funny how you repeat lies that are debunked with a single google search, and you repeat them ad infinitum trying to trick someone - it's insulting the intelligence of anyone who might be lurking.
>>544792802This nigga uses google ai
>>544794291Your J has the highest frequency in Vojvodina which is plains land nomads would squat on. The evidence is abundantly clear. Vlach are mountain and hill folks like Albanians except way more mutted.
>>544794290It means white hill, not white, like Montenegro means black hill. Anyway, it's a closer linguistic connection than your schizophrenia anyone debunks with a google search
>>544793450because they were to busy fighting for them. Albanian resistance to Turks ended with Skanderbegs death after 25 years of fighting them, which was then followed by 500 years of supplying soldiers for them.>>544794168>its the big important battles onlycope more muslim subhuman or whatever you are. Years of creating memes about how Serbs fought together with Turks only to be exposed as the biggest slave yourself.
>>544794335They have obvious etymological root and besides that you have a distinct subclade called J2b1 not found in Albanians but found in yourself and Iranians. It’s quite clear what transpired historically.
>>544794344You're retarded, Banat is full of vlachs.
>>544794388Alb-Albus = white in LatinIn terms of geographic place naming you are correct but that doesn’t mean anything since Serb and sarb don’t have a similar excuse.
>>544794397>because they were to busy fighting for them. Albanian resistance to Turks ended with Skanderbegs death after 25 years of fighting them, which was then followed by 500 years of supplying soldiers for them.Yes, they were literally enforcers of their rule lol and benefited from it. Almost everything they say is a projection
>>544794483Albho means white, alb means hill. >>544794483>Serb and sarb don’t have a similar excuse.Except it's:1) not sarb, but sarbani2) completely different linguistic family3) no relation genetically, historically or linguisticallySee >>544794055>>544793992
>>544788731>...said the most vile, disgusting filthy creature of them all
>>544794447Vlach are hill folk not plains folk, besides this obvious fact the J2 that vlach have is more like J2b2-l283 than J2b1, these lineages diverged over 15,000 years ago. Historically irrelevant when talking about migrations within the last 5000 years.
>>544794489>>544794291>>544794178>>544794082
>>544794550>not sarb but sarbaniDo you not know what etymology is lol?
>>544794607>>544794082>>544794489>>544794178>>544794291
>>544794616Do you? Two different language families entirely.>There is no linguistic correlation between the term Sarbani and the Serbs because they belong to completely separate language families and share entirely distinct etymological origins. The superficial phonetic similarity between the two words is a classic case of false cognates (words that sound similar but are historically unrelated).
>>544794550>alb means hillNo it doesn’t. You always lie to save face. Just admit you’re stupid and have Turk and Iranian roots. I would do it but we don’t have any.
>>544794559>Austrians are hill folk not plain folk>They must live in the summits of the Alps, not in the valleyswhat a fucking retard. You are the oddity in Europe. You are:>significantly shorter than all your neighbors (174 cm male on average, same as Turkey)>Your northern Slavic neighbors are all among the top 10 nations in the worldWhat does that tell you? Height is almost exlusively a European trait.Further, you are:>all Muslim>have noone who speaks your language, almost everyone in Europe has a culturally or linguistically similar nation. Except you, you are culturally closest to TurkeyThat is why Albanians came up with the Illyrian larp and they invent all the funny names like Ilir, Dardan, Teuta etc. Can you name one Albanian before WW2 who was called Ilir or Dardan?
>>544788567Theres quite a few here in st. Louis. They've formed their own community which is generally liked by the wider community (except blacks but blacks hate everybody)Balkin Treatbox is a 10/10
>>544794654Fake ancient map, Albanians have slightly less WHG than Croats so that means Albanians have more or equal WHG than Serbs. Like that matters anyway since Serbs barely have any WHG YDNA.
>>544794705Alb means hill in pre -indo-european, you do not speak a latin language.
>>544794750Hey stupid turkmutt, Germanics are not alpine people sheesh so low iq.>you’re shorterAlbanians in Kosovo average 5’11. Albanians are revert back to tall height after 200 years of orc invasions.>height a European traitThen why were Albanians the tallest people in Europe before industrialization of Europe?
>>544794778Modern calculators separate these elements cleanly into pure baseline components (like pure Anatolian Neolithic Farmer and pure WHG). Because Anatolian farmers already carried their own distinct hunter-gatherer-like strains, a lot of what Eupedia counts as WHG or related components is swallowed up by the orange bar in this older 2015 model - the eupedia one is correct. >>544794654
>>544794805Saving face again, I said Latin not some theoretical pre Indo European construct.
>>544794778>>544794957The blue bar does not represent an individual's total Western Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) ancestry. It only represents "excess" WHG ancestry over and above what was already baked into the Early Neolithic (LBK) farmers.
>>544794899What orc invasions? You are the orc invasion. You supplied most soldiers for the Ottomans after ethnic Turks and Kurdskek>Then why were Albanians the tallest people in Europe before industrialization of Europe?Doubt. What happened? How come you are 174 cm on average then?
>>544794957No the Eupedia map is old and includes EHG with WHG where as the one I posted kept the EHG with the Yamnaya input. Hence Serbs barely WHG at all.
>>544794971You do not speak a latin language. You're an anomaly in Europe in:1) language (share the family with no one)2) genetics (share origins with Turks, south Italians, Bulgarians and Greeks - most of your European admixture is really near eastern)3) height4) lack of athleticism5) flag6) contributions to humanity (science) - zero according to the book that counted it7) lack of historical achievements without we wuzzing, i.e. in your actual history as an Albanian peoples8) religion 9) probably more
>>544795027>Hence Serbs barely WHG at all.Everything turkoalbanians say is a projection.Average Serb is closer to an Austrian than to you. And you are closer to a Turk.
>>544795026Jewish financed Slav chimpouts since 1830.>doubtBecause you’re a jealous brown low iq Slav mutt.https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?time=1790..1910&country=SRB~ALB~AUS~BEL~FRA~DEU~GRC~ITA~NLD~NOR~SWE
these niggers soon will be breaking things down into pre ice age components, fucking retards, look at proximal models
>>544795183Fake image, btw, not included in the study.
>>544793110The Mongolian fears the Serbian BBC
>>544795086Hey chimp Albanians don’t call themselves Albanian. You have literal Turkic and Iranian Ydna but get off on calling Albanians that very interesting Turk rapebaby>>544795121>facts are fake because it hurts my feelingsSpoken like a true bitch. Go back to Russia mutt.
>>544795216it's directly taken from the supplementary data of the study
>>544795216>we are not Turk rape mutts I swear
>>544795270If you add 0.252 and 0.310, you only get 0.562 (56.2%). A properly functioning qpAdm model must add up to 1.0 (100%). The blank spots in the Roman-Anatolian and Ottoman columns mean this specific row is an unfinished or statistically rejected "failed model" in the spreadsheet, or it is utilizing a different combination of proxy sources not fully shown in the crop.
>>544795335Serbian N subclades literally form same decade as Mongol invasion, its direct brother subclade forms same decade as well and in Rostov steppe which was under Mongol rule and before that Turk rule for centuries.Serbs desperately don’t want to be Turk rape babies but the genes all prove they are. Their only cope is autosomal dna because they raped and kidnapped a fuck load of white women but their Y chromosomes from Turks and Iranians remain and can never be removed unless their entirely male line lineage is killed.
>>544795335Dodecad project
>>544795259nigger you do not have more WHG. In fact Serbs have significantly more than you.Go back to Turkey turkoalbanian
>>544795000 kek literally making shit up now
>>544795441nigger are you retarded and can't see the extra column with 0.438?new coping side effect discovered: temporary blindness
>>544788766>herzegovinian croat catholicpokatoliceni vlahhttps://www.mediafire.com/file/jy2fv1mjgkn/Hercegovacka+prezimena-Risto+Milicevic.pdf
>>544795493They don’t, his map includes EHG. You don’t know anything.
>>544795463>The Lone Survivor: The single medieval Balkan forefather of the N2-P189 clan managed to survive the Mongol slaughter—possibly by hiding out in the deep, inaccessible limestone canyons of the Dinaric Alps (modern Montenegro/Herzegovina border area).3. The "Founder Effect" Illusion>What confuses many people is that N-P189.2 makes up about 2.5–3% of Serbs (particularly centered around old clans in Montenegro and Herzegovina like the Banjani), but it is non-existent in modern Mongolia.• A pure Mongol origin would leave a trail of closely matching cousins in modern East Asia. It does not.• Recent extensive research published in Nature & Anthropology on the macro-branch (N-B482) points out that it was a widely distributed ancient Eurasian lineage. What happened in the Balkans was a massive Founder Effect. A single man who belonged to this rare, ancient branch settled in the Dinaric Alps, and his medieval descendants experienced an immense population boom, making it look uniquely "Balkan" today.
>>544795514He uses LLM slop to figure things out. That is why everything he says is retarded
>>544795557>>544795270>>544795183There are literally tens of thousands of ethnic Turks in Kosovo, for the record, and many more Albanians in turkey.
>>544795564>—
>>544795564Weve already been through this Turk mutt. Your N is not from the Balkans otherwise Albanians would have it.Your N, forms same decade as Mongol invasion, its brother forms in Rostov. Your cope is that it came somehow from Serbia and migrated to Rostov steppe during literal Mongol age.
>>544795626And there are hundreds of thousands of gypsies in Serbia. Your point ?
>>544795631>>544795463>>544795183Vahaduo, Albanians closest match to Turks.
>>544795697yes because they have less slavic and more anatolian ancestry
>>544795657>>544795564>>544795463>>544795335You wouldn't have it since you do not populate Herzegovina.Nikola Jokić, N
>>544795733Yes, because they are the most genetically similar group of people to turks.
>>544795697Albanian distance to Turk_Balkan 0.097Albanian distance to Turk_Anatolia 0.10Albanian distance to Rome 500 BC 0.036Do you get how distance works Turk mutt?
>>544789046Taliban.
>>544795773And not a single Illyrian ever had N. It’s from Tatar Turk rape very clear.
I'm not even sure what you clowns are chimping about talking about haplogroups with like ~5% frequency with obvious recent founder effects
>>544795800Clustering close is due to a similar broad ratio of Early European Farmer (EEF) and Western Steppe Herder (WSH) ancestry. It does not mean they have your genes (they don't, there's no descendant correlation between Hellenes, Romans and you)>The Slavic Shift: Modern Western Balkan populations (such as Croats, Serbs, and Bosnians) experienced a massive genetic shift during the 6th–7th century due to Slavic migrations, which brought heavy Northern European-like ancestry. This pulled modern Balkanites "northward" on PCA plots>The Italian Exception: Northern Italy did not receive significant Slavic input, nor did it receive the heavy post-Iron Age Eastern Mediterranean/North African admixture seen in Southern Italy. Because Northern Italians remained relatively stable on the European genetic cline, they mathematically "mirror" what Central Europe and the Northern Balkans looked like before the Slavic migrations.
>>544795800>>544795865
>>544795493Hey bitch ass, how come you refuse to comment on this. According to your logic Albanians were whiter than Dutch and Germans in 1880. >>544795166Anyways whiteness and Europeaness means being as close genetically to ancient Romans and Hellenes so Germanics are not white.
>>544795865>>544795891>>544795800E.g. are Sardinians Illyrians? Obviously not, they have no Illyrian genes. They just have the same admixture of EEF
>>544795909Maybe in your head according to who knows whose data.
>>544795553Buzzword buzzword.>>544795711>>544795762Based unicorn.
>>544788567Was it really that hard to pick a team ?
>>544795865Except they do have our Y chromosomes lol
>>544795954No it was a given that Albanians were historically taller than Serbs. Carlton Coons says Serbs were manlets compared to Albanians.
>>544788815Thats what balkan muslims are yeah
>>544795909>why are you not commenting my dubious data I postednigger you are dwarf-tier. All the tallest countries in the world are European, you are not among those. Every Albanian I met was a dwarf.
>>544795955Obrazuj se preci su ti slavili Slavu sigurno do 1880.https://www.mediafire.com/file/jy2fv1mjgkn/Hercegovacka+prezimena-Risto+Milicevic.pdf
>>544796045>dubious Brown cope.
>>544795973That's related to ANF, and it's 1% in Italy. You cluster about the same with Turks from western Anatolia as with North Italians.
>>544796108>making shit upJ2b2-l283 is associated with Yamnaya expansion in the Balkans and its appearance in Italy with Cetina culture.You’re coping and saving face at the same time and suffering from clear COGNITIVE DISSONANCE
the Balkan region just seems cursed, and their posters are never funny because of the (recent) generational trauma of people fighting and dying over everything all at once
>>544796098>BrownBold choice of words, especially since you're Albanian and he's german. (I am not posting a single gypsy)
>>544796098>I was the tallest, I swear, but today I am the shortest
>>544796108J2b2 is a steppe lineage with specific founder effect in the Balkans, Canadian flag is right, there's no J2b2 in neolithic Euros
>>544796180>>544796198More brown cope hates facts like a true boon
>>544796163It is more ANF than yamnaya, almost double. And it is only 1% in Italy, so irrelevant. It's like me claiming a link to Norway because of i1 at 8%
>>544796053Sta me boli kurac i da jesu (nisu)? Jesam li ja oni? Nasi preci su svi u jednom trenutku povijesti srali u rupe u zemlji, ne znaci da to radimo danas, na svu srecu.
>>544796235You argue so much in bad faith. Clear sign of sub100 iq and cognitive dissonance.
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>>544789259>>544789358As a turbofolk enjoyer, I took that personally
>>544796288You're the one repeating the same lie over and over again, one that gets debunked by a single google search or 5 minutes of looking into origins. Trying to find a linguistic connection between two completely different language families and two different words with different meanings in each. Claiming to be ignorant to the subclsde of J being vlachs, even though it's literally a heat map of vlachs.Serbs and Croats were the two West Slavic tribes that migrated to Balkans and conquered it, Bulgars were a Turkic tribe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars) whose Slavic admixture is predominantly from Serbs and Croats.The place they come from is already quite tall.Modern day Serbs and Croats are genetically a mixture of their respective Western Slavic tribes mixing with Paleo-balkaners, as well as Ukrainian migration to the BalkansBy doing so, they bleached the peninsula at their expense, since paleo-balkan and Anatolians were no different in how brown they are..(White means West geographically for Slavs)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Serbiahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croatia
>>544796228>>544796235Serboon is just a jealous little bitch. Jealous about the facts
>>544796395What facts? 1%? There's a larger presence of morrocan and Algerian Y chromosomes.
what are you even discussing? in terms of patrilocal continuity, Albanians are definitely more native than slavophones with all that E1b-V13+R1b-Z2103+J2b2, in terms of autosomal DNA less so
>>544796323How do you explain Kosovo Albanians being taller despite having less slavshit and Nordic YDNA than Albania Albanians? Have you ever considered that the data from Albania itself isn’t correct?
>>544796433Do you have goldfish memory? Seethed at Albanians having way more closer autosomal dna than you and most Italians, then coped about not being same genes or direct ancestry and I provided several ancient Roman YDNA from before republic having similar Albanian YDNA.
>>544796514It’s a chimpout
>>544796541>the further north you go, the taller they getI wonder what that could mean. The average male height in North Macedonia is also 174-176 and we all know that its filled with alborats as well. There is literally no difference
>>544796541Because Kosovar Albanians =/= Albanians proper. Height is due to the people living in the dinaric mountain range being taller due to various different reasons stemming from genetics.And they do not have an average height od 179-181. The only extensive study is picrel, showing Serb regions being the tallest. It's from 2010.You are not genetically identical to Kosovars. Kosovars also have more Slavic admixture.https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Regional-differences-in-male-height-in-the-former-Yugoslavia-and-Albania-including-the_fig2_360770060
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>>544796683The how come Kosovo Albanians are taller than poles? How come Kosovo Albanians have less Slav DNA than Albania? How come online slavshits all suffer from cognitive dissonance? Is it R1a type of thing of saving face like Hindu izzat?
>>544796514No one gives a fuck who's more "native" to the Balkans, since all of Balkans was as brown as Anatolians before the Slavic migrations. For all I know, it's likely I'm talking to an albanian in Italy right now, since only 20% of them live in Albania.
>>544796764You don't even have to resort to posting gypsies. Paleo-balkan Albanians will suffice. Ironically, the few white Albanians have more Slavic admixture than paleo-balkan and are genetically closer to Serbs and Croats, and the brown Serbs and Croats have more paleo-balkan admixture and are genetically closer to Albanians, Bulgarians
I have not once posted gypsies when posting Albanians btw, I go out of my way to avoid them.
>>544796727No you brown shit Kosovo Albanians have significantly less Slav DNA than Albanians themselves. You’re lying again. >not 179 to 181 cmhttps://www.mjssm.me/?sekcija=article&artid=175Gosh why do you lie all the time?
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>>544796776Okay, I will concede the point of Kosovar Albanians being the tallest Albanians and thus being kings of manlets. The one million Kosovars are indeed giants compared to the 3 million Albanians from basically everywhere else (only counting those in Balkans)
>>544796844This Albanian Paleo balkaner person is not white, however she's 100% Paleo Balkan>Dua lipa shows off her natural beauty without makeup>pure black hair>Mena eyebrows>Pure dark eyes>Females have lighter features than males.https://www.dailymail.com/tvshowbiz/article-14621283/Dua-Lipa-takeaway-London-world-tour.htmlPALEO BALKAN
>>544788567>He was murdered by the fascists for trying to join the communists again Lmaooo>>544788675We are Orthodox Slavs, no identity issues here
>>544796964Albanians from Albania are shorter because of these slavshit dna. Slavs have historically been squat and short people.
>>544796974>>544796844
>>544788766>I'm a herzegovinian croatNo such thing, you're a catlick Serb
>>544796974Dua Lipa has Slav roots kek
>>544797105>>544796974>>544796844What's the difference between her and this Turkish celeb foid dating a Serbian celeb? None except the Turkish chick is more tanned in this pic.There were no differences between Paleo-balkaners and Anatolians before Slavs, and before Anatolians conquered eastwards.
>>544797034kek the population with higher Slavic DNA are the tallest, not the other way aroundit's the paleo-balkan component which makes you dwarves. It's why Greeks are shorther too.
>>544797034>Slavs have historically been squat and short people.Alboturk maximum fantasy cope
>>544796844>>544796974>>544797148>>544797105This is not a white person, but he's fully paleo-balkan, Albanian president of Kosovo, now war criminal
>>544797174Ancient fake map. Real map here
>>544797231>Real map>TikTok bullshitKek, no, real map here according to the largest and only study in the region >>544796727
>>544797155Albanians in Albania have more Slav dna than Kosovo and specifically tosk Albanians but they are shorter so your theory is fake and gay.
>>544797231We have plenty alboturk shitskin tourists here. They're a head shorter than our people, this map >>544796727 is most accurate
>>544797373Nice evidence you have their Turk rapebaby
>>544797285>Albanians in Albania have more Slav dna than KosovoI genuinely doubt this but even if its true, my point still stands. The populations with higher Slavic admixture are the tall ones, while those with more paleo-balkan admixture are shorter.Also quick search also says that Kosovo Albanians have more Slavic DNA than Albanians in Albania, but if I post it you will refute it as AI slop so I wont bother
>>544796933Didn't even care to click on your link, Kosovo in 2010 was significantly more Slavic than Albania proper for obvious reasons, the only region actually doing something is northern Kosovo - which is extrapolated.Besides, you're not identical to kosovar Albanians, you can see regional differences in everyone, however we all know 179-181 is not the average height in Kosovo due to the largest study in the region and not some bullshit TikTok video
>>544797211Albanians are significantly whiter than Serbs or Montenegrins. I commend China for finally proving this.
>>544797428>>544797463Cope and cognitive dissonance
>>544797469That's a fake map that quotes a study that doesn't even exist. There is no Shanghai study on percentages of OCA2 and HERC2 genes in European populations. Posting that on Twitter will get you flagged and it will say it's fake.
>>544797518>posts tiktok map of how they are supposedly not 174 cm on average>is still shorter than all of their neighborsbut sure turkoalbanian, we are the ones with cognitive dissonance.
>>544797463>didn’t care to readYes that’s cognitive dissonance>This study aimed to test average body heights in both the male and females of Kosovo, as well as the differences in heights of both sexes in relation to the Kosovo administrative regions. A total of 1623 subjects participated in the research: 830 boys and 793 girls all attending their final year of secondary school. The anthropometric measurements were taken for subjects of both sexes from five different administrative regions of Kosovo. The measurements of body heights were taken by trained measurers in conformity with the ISAK protocol. Means and standard deviations were calculated for ages and body heights, as were frequencies for the calculation of the density of very short and very tall subjects. The results indicated that the average height of the male population of Kosovo was 179.52±5.96 centimetres and of the female population 165.72±4.93 centimetres. These results classify both the male and female populations of Kosovo among the tallest in the world. Regarding the regional differences, some variations have been observed, and the differences in body heights among specific regions clearly confirm the assumption that the population living in the Dinaric Alps is taller in relation to the rest of the population, while the specific average height of the central region, where the capital city is located, reflects the expected situation conditioned by continuous migrations from all other parts of Kosovo, as well as the fact that there is a growing secular trend towards the territory of the capital city, due to better economic and living conditions.Authors : slavshit names
>>544797469But also trivially, most famous Serbs: Tesla (blue eyes), Djokovic (green eyes), Jokić (blue eyes)Most famous Albanians (all women, which have lighter features): Dua lipa (darkest eyes, pure black hair) ria shitta or whatever (same, but dyed hair)How many blue eyes here?
>>544797604Already proved you were always shorter than Albanians historically.
>>544797680>>544797562>>544797469Kek he posts a fake map and walks away from it
He thinks people would tell this apart from Turkey
Albanian ISIS member
Albania or turkey? Albania
Albania or middle east? Albania
>>544788567Holy KekThat is the spitting image of my maternal grandfather , very rough, stolid manHe was Slovenian thoughHis trademark saying was>mi ciogo la manera>i'll grab my axe [and kill him]if the mailman tried to deliver a billIf i'm lying i'm dying
why are all Albanians outside of Albania spamming all this anti-Serb nonsensethere's one Albanian flag iit yet he doesn't resort to this lame ass shit flinging, can't you be more like him?also this thread doesn't even have anything to do with Serbsit makes you pathetic to use any opportunity just so you can seethe about Serbs
Albania
>>544797964They must lie to claim their IZZAT saar
>>544797843>Ridvan Haqifi, Kosovar Albanian who joined ISIS, and threatened the Balkans
>>544797680>historicallyhad to throw in the word for cope purposeseven your northern neighbors women mog you
>>544797843>>544798073Albanian ISIS member.... Syria went from 10% christian (more than Albania) in that war to 2%
>Albanians name their kids Tonibler, as thank you to Tony Blair for bombing Serbia>Albanians build statues for bill Clinton
Albania in its entire history: 2 medalsSlovenia, same population, independence for 30 years: 58
>>544798176Serbia won more medals last Olympics in basketball, tennis and shooting than Albania in their history
>>544788567They're just Serbs that pray to Yahweh differently. No different than Croatians.
>>544797964come to think of it, Ukrainian shills do it too whenever anything even remotely is mentioned about Russia or they strait up bring up Russia out of nowherebig difference is that Ukrainians get payed to seethe while Albanians don't lol
>>544798219No, they're really nothing like us and that's a good thing. We're closer to Germans than Albanians, and MUCH closer to Austrians.VahaduoAdmixture JSdatasourcetargetdistancesinglemultiTarget: SerbianDistance: 2.1749% / 0.0217488551.2 German48.8 Albanianclear output cycles - 0.25xreduce - noadd dist col - noprint zeroes - noaggregate - yesadd bar chart - mode 1run allSerbian
>>544793733>Schizophrenia - the people.Schizophrenia - the islamic religion.
>>544797469hey nigger, why don't you post the link for the study which supposedly proves how white you are?kek
Albanians or Turks, who can tell? Unless you know the hat is albanian, you cant
>>544798373>>544797469It literally doesn't exist. It gets flagged as fake on Twitter and there is NO Shanghai study on eye color in Europeans.
>>544798138btw NATO killed 81 kids during their bombing, 68% of them being Albaboon children. NATO did great pulverizing Albanians.
>>544788567I don't care what you think you are or what religion you have. I just hope balkanoids and slavs stay out of Germany and stop contaminating the Nordic-Aryan genepool in Germany. There's already a problem with spics, niggers, arabs and turks.Just stay in your slavoid shithole and larp as whatever you want. I don't care.When the new Reich is established and Germany is liberated, don't think the Germans won't deal with you the same way as they will the nons and other subhumans
Can someone make the talking bubble out of this?
>>544798219maybe, but even if they acknowledge their origins they cannot be seen as equal to normal Serbs, they should not be allowed to vote or hold office, and that's the bare minimum of restrictionsorthodox might be kikes in Serb skin, but these catholics and muslims are strait up foreign proxies
>>544798447Thank you Tonibler! >>544798138I now rape you're woooooh man so pretty on your is land
>>544798450I don't want our diaspora to come back. Please keep them and put them in zoos or reservations. We don't want them here.
>>544798219Oh you mean Bosnian Muslims,,, yeah Albanian derails every thread to the point I forget what it's about
>>544798343He was talking about bosnians, youre foaming at the mouth about Albanians kek you’ll always have those Turkic and Iranian YDNA serbi literal rapebabies
>>544798616Lmao
>>544798616he is just going to keep blacklooping kek
>>544794336but it's true, see >>544794397 linked Cambridge paper.The narrative that Serbs somehow helped Ottoman advance into Europe is a false narrative and an inversion of the truth pushed by their enemies. Nobody in the Balkans fought the Turks more than Serbs.Albanians (and after that Bosnian Muslims) supplied most troops to Ottomans. Which also makes sense because the Ottomans recruited from Muslim populations, not Christian. The only exception is the Jannissary system which based on force, and even there the most were Greeks, Bulgarians and also Albanians.
>>544788675Oh shut the fuck up
>>544788766Im gonna kick your fucking ass you croach
>>544789959Why does everybody hate Shitars?
albodogs were so subservient they fought voluntarily for Ottomans against Greeks
