It's still obvious that western armies haven't taken lessons from Ukraine when it comes to drone warfare. How are fucking Iranians and Houthies better at drone warfare than the west? Like we have spent billions supporting Ukraine but haven't decided to ask them what modern war is like?Like why don't our tanks have cope cages? Why aren't there constant lessons on how to deal with drones?
>>544790210The technology is evolving so fast that there's no point investing until we need to. Ukraine is the testbed for our militaries. If we invested significantly now we'd have obsolete tech within months. Russia is making glacially slow progress, we're years away from a direct war with them - so no need to have a 2026 drone army when it'll be needed (if ever) in the +2040s
>>544790210they want to genocide most goyim, duh
>>544790210Its weird in our case.Our Navy is kind of big on Drones and we even have a strong Drone company like Tekever but Army is Boomer Generals and they go on /tv/ spouting the most retarded shit imaginable.
>>544790210Because drone warfare keeps changing all the time and it will look totally different when Ruskie attack. Manufacturing millions of cheap drones right now to counter thousands of Russian cheap drones that Russia is currently using is a waste of money, because when the time comes these drones will be probably useless agains next Russian wunderwaffe.Also both sides are using cheap drones because they run out of tanks and jets.
>our>we>the west
>>544790210Because nobody actually believes there is going to be a war. Your military exist mostly for riot suppression and some PR posturing, EU has no money or goals that military can achieve. EU only ever needs to pay tribute to US and Israel to stay 'safe'. If anything the chance of dying from the muslims rioting due to the lack of gibs because of failing economy is the most critical security issue for modern Europeans, despite the constant warmongering propaganda to divert attention from that self-inflicted matter - because these one is solely self-inflicted, in both immigration running uncheck fore decades and economical self-sabotage.
Europeans have no funds for a military overhaul of such a scale, Americans can choose not to engage with armies running drones due to their geographical advantage, thats pretty much it
>>544790210I did notice that NATO seems to be lagging behind but also at the same time essentially copying russian path.Little cope cages that our tanks had at the beginning has been appearing on western tanks for awhile now, but it seems like NATO is under impression that APS will handle most things and cope cages exists quite literally as a cope cage more than as another defense layer.
>>544790361>The technology is evolving so fast that there's no point investing until we need to.Big mistake. When tech is quickly evolving you need to be in the game. With full chain of: design, production, usage, usage analysis. So you can stay at edge of the progress. You saying it's like saying during 1941>we're not gonna build Spitfires, jets are already around the corner, as for time being biplanes are enough, these Spitfires would be totally outdated in 5 yearsAn then you will never be able to keep with the pace of the progress
>NOOOO ITS A COPE CAGE>ITS AN ANTI DRONE CAGE KIT TM
>>544792932It's embarrassing quite honestly. Russia's Arena system is one of the best aps but still doesn't confer invulnerability. Western shit will be 10x more expensive for the same level of protection. A dedicated anti-drone tank is needed imo
>>544790210they learned to play dead
>>544790210wtf is that a field of? It looks like somewhere out of kenshi
>>544790210>Like why don't our tanks have cope cages?because the west doesn't want chuds on 4chan to laugh at the images of western tanks cope cages
>>544793283frozen sunflowers
saars also adopted shit cages
>>544793510when will they start putting pagodas on them with elaborate designs, and we will finally reach the peak of armored warfare?
>>544793698
>>5447937440/10 no pagoda
>>544793744
>>544793632>>544793744they will probably eventually start building them for parades and their weird dance stand offs lol
>>544793329Good eye. The field is kind of spooky looking
>>544793254kek.Animal Kingdom tatics
more saars
>>544793237>a dedicated sitting duck tin-can-of-death is what’s needed!!Lmao nothing could ever possibly scream “nato” louder if it triedIt will cost $3x as much as a standard tank, packed with rare mineral wunderwaffe sourced from anywhere but Europe, and will get detonated by a Russian POS made in China in 30 seconds all the same The era of lumbering armor is nearly over
ancient saar cage
>>544793193See, barbarian Russian cope cage took a few hours in a workshopANtiDroneCage is the result of Palantir-Raytheon collaboration, it took 3 billion to develop and costs 100 grand per unit, thsu raising Our GDP and making it more gooder
>>544793891oh fuck off they didnt even try, look how many tiers of pagoda they could have put on, I didnt even finish. fucking useless jeets
>>544790210Military institutions resist change until they are forced to adapt.
>>544790564>they have wunderweapons>theyre using cheap drones because they ran out of all other weapons
>>544790210because the MIC doesn't want cheap drones they don't make billions of cheap drones and cheap drone maintenance and upgrades, etc. they are boomer dinosaurs behind the times at this point. also the US gov is a dinosaur as well as all those MIC jobs and political donations make them protect the MIC at all costs even the old outdated MIC
>>544790210I think they obviously are learning, and underestimating the globohomos capacity for horrors beyond human comprehension is pretty fucking newfag of you
>>544794264>>544794298>>544794322what the fuck is wrong with germany? cope nets? really?
>>544790210>western militariesIt's privatised, commercialised and built on top of pure corruption, it has nothing to do with winning wars, and you can't do anything about it.
>>544790210They do, if there is any military that isn't ready for the future it is ours, I hope we have a real war with China so these Babucratic officers can get humiliated and be forced to actually do something for once. I look at their exercise videos and equipment, they are not ready for a war, Indian military is just an employment generation scheme.
chink patents
id be curious to see what americans come up with
>>544790210The Western Military In Question ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OP ANON XD
>>544794768Are The Weimerimutts in the room with you Anon??? ;3
>>544790361>The technology is evolving so fast that there's no point investing until we need to.That's a fucking stupid. My retard country just spent billions of a french frigate and patrioy missiles. Meanwhile the country is unprotected, no nets over transformers, oil depots, gas station, factories. Wtf is the point of shooting down cruise missiles if you're just gonna get swamped by cheap drones?Need to spend the money where you get mosy bang for the buck. Drone nets, hesco barriers, concrete, fake targets, redundancy in the system. And start clearing out some cold war mountain storages and set up drone factories in there. Fucking retards want to shoot down missiles. Its so fucking stupid, its ALWAYS going to be more expensive to hit a missile in the air then make a missile that hits a stationary target on the ground. Its always a losing game, offense is the best defense and after that its dirt.
>>544794684Russia cannot even take tiny Ukraine America is losing to Iran But you're right India is fucked, the only thing is our Jewish Empire is collapsing... 100 years of race mixing Communism [Jews funded it] Drug Use Sex Workers Lack Of Self Discipline Makes for docile populations but VERY POOR fighting men. 77% of the Weimerimutt youth is UNFIT FOR SERVICE due to mental // physical health issues.
>>544790210Because the point of war isn't to win, it's to cull your excess population. Drones don't work for that purpose.
>>544795247You're telling me the retarded meritless billionaires, who mostly scammed their way to make money off government subsidies, & the politicians who are mostly senile shabbos golem... are retarded??? Nooooo Say it isn't so Anon XD
>>544795320>> War's are not won >> The Point Is To Lose Hello Saar Rajeet living in the UK LARPing as a white Britbong
>>544795355Yeah i know, they're either retarded or bought. A company that sells missiles for billions is obviously going to buy a government contract before a 100 small companies that could deliver alternative solutions for a few 10k.
>>544795565Correct Corruption ruins armies What is coming is going to be so bad there probably won't be history books. None of this will be recorded 1000 years from now I have that feeling. Most people think there's a collapse coming But it already happened after World War Moloch 100 years ago We're just in the 11th hour of the senile, rotting Epstein Empire
As we can see by the images provided, the west did learn at least something
>>544795670all i learned is that the cope cage meme got under your skin. why so sensitive?
>>544790210This doesn't matter, none of this will when the Emission Hits. Blowout soon, Stalkers.
>>544795700Nah i learned that you will laugh at us using it and then shamelessly copy it, like you did with dragon teeth lmao.You niggers are hilarious as always, b-b-but iz not le copen caen anymore once we use it, you dropped your nose clown
>>544792823sounds right>>544792891money is fake as shit. The winner decides of much his cash is worth
>>544795300Ukraine isn't tiny... Russia can't take it because they don't really want to anymore, I feel they gave up on taking Kiev in 2022 itself and now only continue because being the one backing down would be bad optics for politics. Or maybe I'm stupid and cuas rcws on tanks isn't going to fix the drone problem.America is not losing either, Trump is just concerned that if they do something too drastic it will cause a longer conflict which will also be bad politics. In the end the Jews built the current systems in the west for quick conflicts where they could kill key leaders, fund insurgencies and then use their international humanitarian organisations to make sure the enemy can't do what has to be done to get rid of pests, that failed with Iran, the Iranians killed retarded Zoomers who tried to coup them.The Judeo-Marxists are winning either way. There are anti-national foreign funded protests in India subverting the narratives, the BJP will lose the next election, by 2035 the mindraped zoomers of our nation will become the working population, then it will be completely ovaar for India
>>544795232thats one scary ugly sheboon
>>544795884>you copied the dragon's teeth from russiakek, the typical pidorussian stupidity and ignorance is to claim every western invention as their own, as if it's not easy to check.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_teeth_(fortification)
A shahed is the size of a king size matress and only delivers 50kg of explosive. Not great for western forces that mainly operate offensively, from small bases like aircraft carriers and mid east bases. Drones make sense if you are like iran or ukraine and have a massive territory to store the drones and to build tunnels to protect them. Theyre much better for these defensive forces.
>>544795962>Ukraine isn't tinykek, jeet retard can't even ask google to tell him about the size of Ukraine. It's precisely because Ukraine is so large, pootin can't conquer it.
>>544796078Yes please show them in active and massive use prior to 2022 Also show how your media made fun of them, yet they stopped a counter offensive made with your doctrine Oh and still pick that nose up
>>544794127Don't be antisemitic
Are you saars really fighting to claim the ingenious invention of a tank obstacle?
>>544796179>Yes please show them in active and massive use prior to 2022Bruh are you fucking retarded? I know you're a stupid subhuman subservient rusnigger dog but there has to be limits to your retardness
>>544790210The whole point of military conflict in the past 100 years has been to make military companies richer. War profiteering. Building complex and expensive war machines is much more profitable than some rinky-dink drone that Bubba could buy for a few hundred bucks. Cheap drones defeat the purpose of war profiteering for the MIC. It's actually going to make the MIC a lot less viable. It's bad news for the MIC. Also, drones are more of a support thing. You can't field an army of drone operators. Just like you can't just field an army of only artillerymen. Infantry on the field will just overrun you. Artillery will still be dominant. Artillery makes up the majority of kills in war for hundreds of years since Napoleon found his success deploying it at scale in his army. It's just artillery shells don't have cameras attached so you don't see every artillery shell which gives a false impression or bias that drones are more effective than artillery.
>>544796078>>544796356Shut the fuck up nafo troon. Dilate and go back to your containment board.
>>544796356>no answerNafo tranny try not to deflect>checks flagAh you are syrian or somalian, don't die to a random grenade attack
>>544796333Honestly i just wondered why did they made fun of those ancient obstacles only when Russia used them and used them to stop NATO standart counter offensive, tho they stopped making fun of it after that Same with cope cages btw, such things were seen in Syria before and no sound, yet when Russia used them. Frankly they also shut their mouth and copied them
>>544790210Western armies exist primarily as an excuse for other region leaders for when they sell out. With current economic situation, the bigger problem is that burgers can no longer afford various people.If burgers ever had to fight a defensive war they would simply surrender so it's not rly a big deal. Euros are just going to surrender at some point too, although it will be to other Euros.
>>544790361>The technology is evolving so fast that there's no point investing until we need to.Our fucking technology is what keep Ukraine alive. So we already need it.
>>544790210It isn't profitable for the MIC
>>544796829The internet has brought combat footage to every person, but not every person can think tactically. Most are still stuck in a politically charged mindset, so everything the enemy does must be stupid. Hedgehogs/Dragon's_Teeth are older than WW2, and have been incredibly effective at channeling enemies into the direction you want. This is also what the major benefit of mines is, not the actual destruction of a few vehicles but then they turn into the other direction where you want them to.
>>544790564>Manufacturing millions of cheap drones right now to counter thousands of Russian cheap drones that Russia is currently using is a waste of moneyNATO is literally not capable of manufacturing millions of cheap drones that work on the battlefield but it is too embarrassing to admit.
>>544797077Well said
>>544790210You have absolutely no evidence to back up your claims. Do you know how old the predator drone is?You just don't get to see US soldiers using FPV drones because every time the US fights someone their massive dicked air force obliterates the enemy before the army even gets a chance to deploy.FPV drones are only useful when thirdies fight thirdies. Would not have made any difference if the Iraqis had them in 2003
>>544796731>Nafo tranny try not to deflectYou need an answer that mass dragoon teeths are not a rusnigger invention from 2022? The other anon alrdy linked a page with pics from ww2 you retarded subhuman piece of shit
>>544790361Two years ago, I'd have said you're wrong. Seeing how fast AI is advancing though, I think we're going to see weapon factories created out of thin air by tireless LLMs put on robots that shit out swarms of super intelligent killer drones by the millions. So yeah, even being a good human drone pilot will be on outdated skill soon
>>544796031Many Such Cases... We're Fucking Doomed. Save Yourselves Eastern Evropean Anons. For The Love Of God Run Away From Weimerica, Russia, France, & the U.K... RIP Goymany [many such fucking cases].
Can someone explain to me why I don't see anyone using shotguns against the drones?Seems like they would be better suited against them than other stuff.
>>544796600YOU'RE BOTH JEWISH RUSSIA IS WAGING AN ANTI-WHITE JEWISH WAR TRUMP IS ALSO ACCELERATING THE COLLAPSE OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE... KEK --- YOU LOST ALL YOUR BASES IN THE MIDDLE EAST SAUDIS ARE FUCKED U.A.E. IS FUCKED SAND NIGGERS ARE HAVING A VERY BAD TIME THE IRANIAN LEADERSHIP SENT DRONES TO UKRAINE TO KILL CIVILIANS SO IAM GLAD THEY'RE ALL DEAD HOWEVER THE U.S.A. IS BEING DRAGGED INTO THE MOST UNPOPULAR WAR, AT A TIME OF RECORD INFLATION, YOU'RE FUCKED. YOU'LL HAVE RIOTS SOON, THE MID-TERMS ARE THE LEAST OF YOUR WORRIES.
>>544797503This is cope, they would have lost thousands of troops every month against an irregular militia armed with drones. Israel, despite having total air superiority, barely managed to advance past the Lebanese border this year. It took them 6 months to capture a town the size of a Baghdad neighborhood and they've completely halted their offensive since then
>>544797760Meant for >>544797421
>>544790210women voters would rather spend money on handouts.
>>544797746Well the Airforce spent the money on dildos or something IDK The chairforce in my country paid like 11,000$ for toilet seats... the priorities are elsewhere when you don't have service weapons shooting personnel on their own. For instance. Russia would have had night vision and could have done Hostomel at night if they had night vision training & capabilities. But the company set up by oligarchs to make said nightvision patent in Russia was pocketed and the money vanished. XD
>>544790210How about you don't expose the tanks until it's time to do the armored offensive, and gain air superiority with planes before doing that so that enemy drones can't interfere.
>>544797146>NATO is literally not capable of manufacturing millions of cheap drones that work on the battlefield but it is too embarrassing to admit.What people here don't get is that this level of drone warfare is possible only because of Chinese industrial output. If CCP decides there'll do ban on drone and component export all those drone wars are over.
>>544794028It's coming sooner or later, but yeah, NATO version will be exactly as you described and cost $50m each
Like Ukrainians are reducing the amount of foreign NATO training because the training is outdated.
