So how exactly is it Ukraine’s fault for this war and the deaths of white Europeans when Russia refuses to stop killing?
>>544824087It isnt. Russians are communist hellish trash.
>>544824087Well if they refuse then its a sign this war has become too bitter to defuse diplomatically. Ukraine and the West will have to stand their ground until Putin realizes pushing for more won't end well for anyone. It would have been better to ceasefire sooner when Russia was willing to engage in diplomacy instead of dragging it out and hoping for mercy after bombing the Russian capital and refineries. It would have been better to keep those cards for this kind of time as a carrot and stick instead of being all carrot or all stick imo but its too late to lament better strategic positioning. The problem is Putin thinks Ukraine is exhausted and capitulating because they are breaking. This is why its better to negotiate from a position of strength instead of pure desperation.
>>544824087No Putin. No problem. You know what you need to do. Russian spies who are reading this.
>>544824087I legit believe this is a mass human sacrifice ritual done by the elites to further cement their status
>>544824087>1 post by this id kike who will never post in the thread again
>>544824087>are the Puccians the niggers Europe?yes
>>544825755The CIA would never trick their enemies into killing each other. In other news have you seen how the 9/11 Muslims and the death to America Muslims have started killing each other?
>>544825562No Ukraine. No problem. You know what you need to do. Kill yourself.
>>544826068Have fun in the draft
>>544824087>Nigger who is robbing your house is refusing to leave when you ask him nicelyShocker
>>544825755You are right.
>>544824087why accept a ceasefire when you're winning the war?all peace proposals by the west have been ridiculous so war will continue as long as those don't change
>>544824087Putin fights against the globohomo cabal that's responsible for our:>fucked up economy>fucked up job market>hyper-inflation>infestation of illegal alien cretins such that they are now the majority under-35 populace>Uni-party Epstein Class that rules over D.C. and their NKVD>The same cabal that intentionally and maliciously divided the American people left vs. right starting with Nigger Jesus all the way up to Good Goy Trump>Israeli bloodless coup over our government>unaffordable housing>the covid scam>etc
>>544825161>It would have been better to ceasefire sooner when Russia was willing to engage in diplomacyit was pointless.the KGBzwerg would have annexed what he was granted by virtue of invasion, then JUST invaded further for more later. Frenly reminder how oft this deranged manlet denied he would be invading Ukraine at all. He needs to go, before peace shall reign. An Ivans word is worth jackshit.
>>544824087>ceasefire>Bro just let us rearm and raise more money from Europe so we can keep fighting the warAll past attempts at reaching an agreement have ended either with a stubborn insistence on “91 borders or no agreements at all” or with outright lies in which Ukraine simply violates all the agreements
>>544826282>they would have just invaded further >muh slippery slope appeasementThere were many times Russia was willing to settle on a truce in dilpomacy but Ukraine basically refused because the terms that are now acceptable were unacceptable then. Russia has since lost face and is out for blood. It is not at all the same situation anymore. Ukraine and NATO supporters practically manifested a Russia that only want total victory by insisting capitulating was tantamount to giving up. No one said a truce meant to stop defending. It just meant giving up Donbass. Even if Russia wants the rest of Ukraine its clear they are unable to actually take it whether or not a truce is in place.
>>544826544>>544826728>Even if Russia wants the rest of Ukraine its clear they are unable to actually take it whether or not a truce is in place.How can you be so sure namefag san?
>>544826728Yep. Ukraine raised the costs for Russia massively year over year. So what Tussia needs to appear victorious has risen apace. The original deal could have been workable november 2022>you shot your best shot>we shot our best shot>we both are strong>lets not slaughter the flower of our youthBut that shipped sailed when ukraine killed 100k russians. So now they have to surrender and let Russia fully de nazify them (code for slaughter the jewish oligarchs) which of course is a non starter for Ukraine.
>>544827096>how can you be so sureWell Russia has tried for quite some time and the war is a bloody stalemate so there is that small insignificant fact I supposeBut that doesnt matter now, Ukraine forced an all or nothing scenario so this war will likely continue until attrition decides a winner. Buckle up and invest in your favorite defense industry stocks because its going to be awhile before a clear winner emerges, despite what fanboys on either side may say
>>544824087that should be fine since ukraine is winningright?
>>544827379That zelensky is openly stating he is willing to give ip territory to end the war, the end is a LOT closer than you think. Turns out NATO cannot sustain both CENTCOM and EUROCOM
>>544828102If Russia isn't willing to listen and accept terms, they will force the war to continue. Plenty of Ukrainians still want to fight for their homeland, because they aren't total cucks even if misguided in strategy. And there is a sizeable diaspora willing to use any means to achieve those ends even if they are defeated. Russia for their part may be wise to cede land that will be infested with guerrilla rebels and have non-russian populations as trying to core a country they shelled to oblivion is a massive investment. The truth is invading to kill off the nazis and oligarchs that started this mess will likely not work as many will flee with the diaspora long before russian army makes headway into the country, and likely they will set up a government and resistance in-exile and resort to tried and true NATO tactic of using dark money to smuggle and finance proxy forces and weapons to destabilize the area. These days winning a war against a culture and population doesn't mean you truly win. But it could position NATO to come ahead by bleeding a major BRICS nation of their warfare potential which would counter balance China's dominance and America's fuckups in going all in on reviving far right/nazi/israeli hegemony through covert means and sex trafficking blackmail networks. Though I suppose we shouldnt be too surprised such mutually exploitative alliances wouldn't be reliable long term.
>>544824087He rejected the ceasefire like a year ago already, what changed?
>>544824087It isn't. Russia invaded and clearly Putin still does not intend to stop invading. You can see that dictator man is personally losing nothing that matters. So as was so often the case before, he continues.
>>544824087Ukraine is right full CCCP clay
>>544824087Ceasfire to get Starlink fixed or replaced. Not to end war. Zelensky will continue if we keep sending him money.
>>544824087one can only hope that Iran can do the same and stretch Israel so thin they are transparent like gossamer
>>544829095>plenty of people still want to fight for ukraineSo why arent they at the front?>the dispora are diehardsBruh…..they literally ran away when the fighting came. They are cowards at best.>Russia should cede land with guerillasLmao, they should just butcher all the azovites and jewish oligarchs and there will be precisely zero agitators.>theyll resort to a government in exileWhich continually fail to overthrow countries. By not being there physically their capability becomes extremely limited and its easy as pie to crush such revolts.Ukraine is a spent force. That is precisely why they have moved their negotiating line. If they were strong theyd have held firm to their demand. But only because they are failing would they ever give up their demands.Russia btw has held firm their demands. Showing they arent the spent force. Oh and good luck basing rebels out of NATO countries!
>>544829951>if they want to fight why arent they dying like stupid chaffBecause they are smart enough to use drones>rebels? Pfft just like kill them all gg ez winEasier said than done. At what cost given the known K/D ratios?>Government in exiles will never be a real countryThey dont need to be cause expensive problems. Take for example Israel and the Zionist movement. They stuck out for thousands of years (allegedly) and in the end they managed to get worldwide recognition before shortly fucking it up and becoming international pariahs in a few generations. Its not impossible, just very difficult, and nothing motivates a people to get ahead by any means or die trying like losing it all.
>>544824087>So how exactly is it Ukraine’s fault for this war and the deaths of white Europeans when Russia refuses to stop killing?the ukraine should have tried to negotiate a surrender sooner.like when zelensky went to the white house in a track suit like a dumbass.how many ukrainians have died between then and now?
>>544824087Only kikes think giving you something you already own is somehow a trade or negotiating.
>>544824983Russia is what happens when the right wins.
>>544824087negociating for 30% instead of 25% or accept to die.
>>544830358Still it begs the question what the wnd game for Russia will be. Like yes they are pissed but times like these its easy to recall the words of Sun Tzu The Art of War (Chapter 7: Maneuvering) is:"When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard."Key point is preventing sespair: If you trap an enemy completely with no way out, they will fight with the "courage of despair", making them much more dangerous and costly to defeat.Also important is winning hearts and minds and creating Illusions by leaving an exit to give the enemy a perceived road to safety, lowering their will to make a suicidal last stand. Russian fanaticism will probably kill more Russians than the Ukrainians if given an out. Logistically Russia cannot sustain these losses long terms, soldiers and armed conscripts are expensive investments and at sone point you need these men to go back to assembly lines and comforting the babushkas left behind, unless you can flash clone biomass with guns to throw at the front lines like sauce relhttps://youtu.be/zxU1IDXTgO0
>>544830337>the holhols will be victorious in the end even after millennia!!!Holy cope. So you agree they are done. Nice. Good luck in 2000 years!>they use drones>so they want to fight but havent signed up>not even to use drones.See the problem? Oh wait youre a tranny so you dont know what a contradiction is. Any holhol who wants yo fight has already signed up. Precisely zero of the remaining holhols want to fight. Not even azov. They all want other people to fight instead….>what about current K/D10:1 in favor of Russia? A country with vastly larger manpower base? Vs a spent force using the old and infirm? Simplest decision in history. EXTERMINATE!!!That Zelensky is even willing to touch the topic of ceding land proves Ukraine is in serious trouble. If Ukraine could do any of what you claim theyd never back down from their demands.
>>544830686The Ukies arent trapped though. They can all just follow their eight million compatriots into NATO countries. The holhols arent desperate because they are trapped. They are desperate because they are losing. Fleeing to exile is and always will still be a valid option as >>544830337 has pointed out.So end game simply push until Ukraine collapses, take whatever they want (Odessa and the NPP) leave the rest as barren exclusion zone. Even Azov will flee rather than fight to the end.
>>544830689>the only way to fight is to be cannon fodderLets presume thats true and not question if other ways exist as that will remain a surprise for later>Ruski is stronk no mercy!There is only so much they can borrow from China and North Korea. I personally have no skin in this game, its not our problem as americans. But even I know everything has a limit, as the USSR discovered the hard way.
>>544830479Russia is what happens when we fight the wrong enemy in WW2. They're in a quagmire sacrificing ridiculous numbers of Russian lives for amorphous reasons that don't add up when you consider what they're sacrificing. It's not surprising that even though they fed our population antiwar propaganda while arming our enemies their own population isn't making more of a stink against their government making the exact same mistake in taking on one of our allies. But, that just means they have no brakes. The Viet-Cong proudly declared "you're going to have to kill every last one of us while they make "to the last Ukrainian" an antiwar message. Maybe, they don't understand that an enemy with that kind of resolve backed by a nuclear superpower will make victory practically impossible.
>>544826728>NATO manifested a Russia that only want total victoryyes, and NATO denied 100% they were going to invade Ukraine, while practically in this middle of doing so? There is no honor in handling with liars. Nor sense. War is all they understand - Russia alone have manifested this. And the rest is Ivan mumbling bullshit out both sides of their mouth as per.
>>544824087The terms offered were gay and lopsided against Russia. Not a serious proposal
>>544826282Calm down tranny. You’re kvetching
>>544827379>Well Russia has tried for quite some time.You can't say that until a nuke drops, though they aren't as satanic as truman was.>>544829095>Plenty of Ukrainians still want to fight for their homeland.The front is mostly Colombians now kek.>>544830337>At what cost given the known K/D ratios?A cost all sides are willing to pay lmao.>>544830686>Do not press a desperate foe too hard.That answers your previous russia question on why they have stalled for so long.>Russian fanaticism will probably kill more Russians than the Ukrainians if given an out.That has always been their historical M.O, doesn't faze them.>>544830860>There is only so much they can borrow from China and North Korea.There is only so much Ukraine can borrow from the West.
>>544831136>NATO denied 100% they were going to invade Ukraine.Yet they still did with a color revolution.
>>544831214oh, JUST ignore me! and my lil` green Ivans!I'm ***NOT*** gonna invade anyone, pinkie swear!>its Ivan>it Lies
>>544830831>they are trapped thoStrategically no. But the western propaganda grift is that they are and if we dont stop the russians now, they will pull a ww2 germany and invade everyone, which is of course utter bullshit. But it creates the narrative that ukrainians are trapped and ukrainians will fight and run accordingly.
Everything is going accordingly
>>544824087Aaaaaaaaaaaand Elon is ordered to start starlink again.
>>544824087>Putin has rejectedKill him and be done with it. If you can accurately strike russian rust-bombers and oil refineries, wasting Putin is child's play. Just murk that old bitch and let his replacement take over and see if you can work with him. Keep killing leaders until you find one that will submit.
>>544831348>I'm ***NOT*** gonna expand east, pinkie swear!>>544831396>Strategically no.2 more gorillion dollars will fix it.
>>544831218>we won't know until nukes dropThis is the technological equivalent of pissing in the wind. Any fallout from strikes that close to Russia will inevitably affect Russia and especially its capital. I have doubts that strategy is truly being considered but I suppose I cannot underestimate Russia Self Destructiveness. It will also probably trigger the Concert of Europe and validate paranoia that Russia will do anything even if retaliatory nukes aren't launched by the west. Russia would have to be quite desperate to use them for anything beyond bluffing and negotiating
>>544824087>ceasefireLike we did for iran?
He asked for all this. Then there can be a ceasefire. The fuck is Ukronato gonna do?
>faultwho cares?the killing will continue unless ukraine gives into russian demands, and could've been avoided entirely if they didn't decide to play footsie with the EU and NATOthe cold reality is that weaker countries will make concessions to their bigger neighbors or the neighbors will fuck them up - we've been doing the same to south america for the last centurythe only difference is that russia kind of sucks at it, but as long as they're willing to eat the cost, it will continue to be reality
>>544824087Ceasefire terms aren't good enough, Putin is sanctioned as much as he ever will be so he can just keep going
>>544824087simpletrump is a retarded monkey aswell so he symphatizes with vladimir
>>544824087Both countries are controlled by Jews. Thus. They're sucking all the money out and killing all the white people
>>544825755Nah if that were true then wouldn't you think we would be in WW3 already?Also we probably would have had a zombie apocalypse or some shit start after covid
>>544826125@grokIs this true?
>>544825161Or maybe Ukraine should just negotiate surrender? Asking for a ceasefire means you're losing anyway, so just lose and get it over with. The west needs to stop wasting money on futile wars
>>544825562Democrats have been booty-blasted about Putin locking up their oligarch benefactors since 1999
>>544831620>Any fallout from strikes that close to Russia will inevitably affect Russia.Neutron nukes don't have that significant fallout and they do the same damage.>>544831762A tale as old as time.
>>544826265Holy based
>>544824983Putin desperately wants to end up in the history books like Stalin but he's a failure of a faggot that couldn't invade Ukraine in a few days. Russians deserve to be nuked to high hell.
>>544824087He has always refused a ceasefire.His demands were a concrete peace deal where Zelensky would come over and agree to certain terms like recognition of Russian annexation of parts of Ukraine, no NATO and whatever else it was, essentially certain demands that Ukraine had to meet before they even speak diplomatically.Ceasefire was always shunned because it would only remove pressure from Ukraine and let them rearm.
>>544831604>2 more gorillian dollarsUnfortunately the ship to save money has long sailed on this. The West put too many eggs in this basket and its going to cost a lot of money whether we win or lose going forward. The elites wanted this war because losing Ukraine and the tech investments in Azov/Mariupol was costly to begin with. Ukraine has some of the richest soil for wheat agriculture as well which is an important staple crop and vital export good for many countries. Regardless how this turns out its going to hurt everyone except the defense industry
>>544831698The fuck he did.He wanted a landbridge to Crimea, and that's it.
>>544824087>Putin just rejected the ceasefire>So how exactly is it Ukraine’s faultDepends, what were the terms? If you needed money and I offered you a dollar for all your anime figures, would that be a deal you should have taken because you needed money?
>>544832238He always wanted long lasting deals, none of that temporary ceasefire shit.As for the fallout question/pissing in the wind again, the most recent ICBM russia used was the Oreshnik which is apparently a variant of the soviet RS-26 Rubezh, it can carry ~6 warheads at maximum 300kt each (if it is indeed an RS-26).Even if he dropped a tactical 300kt warhead on Kiev the fallout would not reach russia as anon said (lest he uses something in the megatons).
>>544824087I wish this gay war would just end already.
>>544832308>Unfortunately the ship to save money has long sailed on this.The reserve can print infinite money.>Regardless how this turns out its going to hurt everyone except the defense industry.You can say that again, the soil is perma fucked with mines.>>544832354The bell hasn't rung yet and the red zones change, don't celebrate to early.
>>544832068>>544832456>neutron wonder weaponsIts speculative how "clean" ERWs truly are. What makes nuclear fallout toxic is potential for nuclear transmutation, turns out shooting neutrons everywhere is an easy way to create unstable isotopes out of stable ones and vice versa. And its not very likely you will only use just one, so you don't need a megaton warhead. Per se to cause fallout. Premature detonation in the atmosphere could have a similar effect(like say if we poked around the core with other wonder weapons like lasers), and again why wouldnt other countries retaliate? Their allies Israel has drones too but they also have backpack nukes they can strap to them and a lot less scruples about ethics in war. Doesnt seem very smart to throw radioactive stones in nuclear reactor housing.
>>544831396>they arent trapped western media telks them they are trapped and theyll act accordinglyYeah, that works at first m, but over time people believe it less and less and it loses its power. Oh and since the west is already trying to convince the Holhols they are trapped, Russia should merely keep killing until the holhols cut and run. Russia giving up will only lead to the western media triumphalism and further offensive actions by Ukraine as they will be brainwashed to believe they are string enough to do it.>>544830860>there are other ways to fight>that dont involve fightingYeah fuck off retard. Anyone who wants to fight has already joined up. Everyone else wants to avoid fighting and literally either ran away or paid bribes to avoid fighting.>holhols are weak means your claiming Russia is strongStronger than Ukraine. The spent force isnt the Ruskies. And the holhols have borrowed as much from NATO as possible and the tap is being cut off (no patriots no more PGMs, no more ATACMs, no more storm shadows, etc etc) the holhols bled NATOs stockpiles down to nill and the gravy train is reaching its end along with the Ukrainian state.As we all told you it would in 2023: when forced to choose between Israel and Ukraine…..NATO will always choose Israel.
>>544832602>the reserve can print infinite money Thats kind of the problem. The only reason that works is because our ability to do so is safeguarded by how intimidated everyone is of our military. But as the war in Ukraine and other fronts have shown we are stretched thin, have poor/puppeteered/unpopular leadership and our supplies are running out. Our rivals may yet get brave politically or even militarily. I don't think we can print our way out of supply shortages and overpromising protecting our "allies" and the world is catching on, for better or worse
>>544824087>Ukraine’s faultThey should have spent the money we sent them on weapons instead of stealing it.The Ukrainian refugees in the USA get sent thousands from their families over there.I know one that got 50k from her family.They wear the most expensive designer cloths while working dead end jobs here.
>>544832915>strawman fallacy>pretending not to understand asymetrical warfare>being a conventional soldier is the only way to fight retardDont crash out at me about it, Im just the messenger. Its frankly stupid for Ukraine to fight Russia on even ground, and warfare isnt about honorable duels or standing around waiting to get bombed and shelled in a uniform or whatever bullshit you think it is. There are other ways, whether Ukraine will resort to those methods remains to be seen but since they are able to strike at the Russian capital and supply line, I doubt such methods are off the table especially if they feel their demands for a ceasefire are pointless. But I can only speculate as Im neutral on these matters
>>544832853>>544832915fuck off glowiesthere are no nukesrussians are uneducated peasantsNATO is a government agency to protect politicians from their own populationsits a private international army that has no purpose other than to employ and feed niggerseven your USA army is just poor niggers and visa immigration applicantsprotecting oil transits meanwhile killing random goat fuckers that have no access to internet just for the fun of it
>>544833200>should have spent their money on weapons.They did. They bought literally ALL 155mm artillery on the market AND what we had in stockpiles, along with every soviet tank/apc/mlrs/artillery on the market and the entirety of NATOs stockpile.This is one of those cases where if theyd thrown more money at the problem all theyd have done is increase the price. And NATO never increased capacity as claimed. Thus their best option was to use the excess for sabotage OPs deep within Russia. Basically take over the Russian mob and then attack Russia that way. But since that entails attacking a jewish power center it was nixed.
>>544832853>Its speculative how "clean" ERWs truly are.They reduce the usual long-term radioactive fallout and they are tactically designed specifically for high air bursts so nuclear dust isn't that large of a worry.>What makes nuclear fallout toxic is potential for nuclear transmutation.Even in that case it either doesn't reach Russia to deeply or it remains in Ukraine according to this scenario, if detonated in the current front lines it will reach Rostov or Alexeyevka at most.>And its not very likely you will only use just one.The last Oreshnik strike used 36 warheads, that can perma irradiate Ukraine for sure if it's nuclear, and considering each of those is 300kt max plus possible ERWs it still won't affect Russia that much.But then again, who wants to rule over a nuclear wasteland? I think that if they do a tactical strike it won't be that many nuclear warheads.>like say if we poked around the core with other wonder weapons like lasersICBM's have decoy warheads, can the laser or satellite single them out in time during a mid air flight to cause a premature detonation? Or can the laser penetrate a silo door?>And again why wouldnt other countries retaliate?Did NATO retaliate when Poland was screeching about drones in it's territory? Sure a nuclear scenario is different but i think they will still be slightly more hesistant even in that short notice.>Israel has drones too but they also have backpack nukes they can strap to them and a lot less scruples about ethics in war.Backpack nukes have a way smaller yield.>Doesnt seem very smart to throw radioactive stones in nuclear reactor housing.They can say, "if we can't have it neither can NATO" and just flip over the whole chessboard and make the land unusable for everyone.If the reactors are attacked with these low yields or a big enough yield it will all remain in Ukraine, most of their reactors are in western Ukraine which could blow over Western Europe.
>>544833545>fuck off glowieAs an MK Ultra test subject/dissenter I resent that remark. I wish you cowards would topple the regime but you won't do shit. Fuck you too, dumbass crybabyhttps://neurosciencenews.com/wireless-brain-network-19720/
>>544824087No you can’t have a ceasefire Yes you can have a ceasefire so Russian humanitarian convoys and evacuation of Alyoshki is enabled Surrender or die
>>544834051Also yes i know that hypothetical in picrel isn't calculating chernobyl fallout well.
>>544826088When’s the draft, /uhg/ told me it was after elections, but elections came and no draft
>>544833913>take over the Russian mob >a Jewish power You watch way too many movies NAFO troon
>>544833318>im just the messengerNah youre just a retard who think propaganda can change battlefield realities.>there are other ways Ukraine could fight backNot anymore. After having shredded their male population, an insurgency is near impossible to sustain. An insurgency was clearly the initial plan until dumbass EUROCOM fags decided they could yolo minefields if they were just brave enough…..>I dont such merhods are off the tableThe quite literally are. The problem here is Ukraine has lost far too high a percent of their male population to exile or casualties of war. Thus there exists no innocent population to hide amongst, and rooting it out is as simple as gathering up the remaining men and slaughtering them.Ukraine choose this fate when they refused to deal in 2022, and now their options are limited. Imagine how many more options theyd have if they had eight million more men (all those who ran to the west and russia along with those torn up by the fighting). And russia isnt going to just let millions of potential insurgents back in.>>544833545Did the bot just break? Sorry youre forced into a breakdown by your jewish masters. But the truth is the truth.
>>544824087Perhaps the terms were not that great smoothbrain?
>>544834293>>544834293>You think propaganda can change battlefield realitiesMeme magic is as real as everyone believes it is. If it didnt help, militaries wouldnt spend billions on psyops>there are no options leftCertainly not with that attitude>ukrainian men dont even exist anymoreWell thats delusional, but they dont need to fight their own battles anymore even if that were true. They have plenty robots and combat AI and 3rd worlders like CIA affiliated mexican cartel members willing to be mercs
>>544834606>robots will save the Ukraine
OMGDAT POOOOTINGOBERNMEND PLS HALP
>>544824087Ukraine brought it on themselves from the beginning.
>>544833108>I don't think we can print our way out of supply shortages.Won't Venezuela's supplies suffice Kek?>>544833318>and warfare isnt about honorable duels or standing around waiting to get bombed and shelled in a uniform or whatever bullshit you think it is.People watch to many movies, IRL all valid targets are game, either for PR, Conquest etc...>I doubt such methods are off the tableThat will just escalate Russia further to hit harder, it will be a golden ticket for brutality against them.>>544833545>there are no nukes, russians are uneducated peasants.Have you ever seen a nuclear reactor? As for those peasants, they have the strength of the class retard like the crayon eating Americans.You don't need high IQ to bash skulls.>>544833913>Take over the Russian mob and then attack Russia that way.Their mob is more patriotic than their government Kek, imagine some NAFOid CIA Chungus Redditor trying to convert hardline Mob Gopniks, that comedy would be golden.>>544834606>If it didnt help, militaries wouldnt spend billions on psyops.Propaganda posters were the original memes.>Well thats delusionalNot exactly.>They have plenty robots and combat AI and 3rd worlders.How well do the armored roombas fare against mud? The turd worlder mercs have no POW status.
>>544826282>He needs to go, before peace shall reign.Infantilism among Western people often manifests as an unwillingness to accept reality in all its complexity. The belief that 'he will leave and everything will get better' is a form of psychological self-defense. People who sincerely believe that 'Putin’s departure = peace' suffer from political autism: they do not see the complexity of the world, do not understand the inertia of institutions, and do not calculate the risks. This is the level of thinking that says, 'if you remove the bad uncle, harmony will come to the sandbox.' The problem is that the sandbox is actually a nuclear power with a history torn by contradictions, and simply 'removing the uncle' here means only starting a new, unpredictable game in which the new rules may turn out to be far worse.
>>544828102Real negotiations don't exist. There is only imitation. Since 2022, Zelensky banned negotiations with Putin by decree. Kyiv refuses Minsk and Istanbul. The West doesn't allow Ukraine to make decisions. If negotiations had been ongoing, there wouldn't be hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons and mobilization.
>>544826282>An Ivans word is worth jackshit.See >>544831604>>544834982>People who sincerely believe that 'Putin’s departure = peace' suffer from political autism.I agree, someone worse and far more agressive would take his place, as a KGB man Putin is more of a chess player that understands inertias rather than a hot headed nukist that would've insta glassed Ukraine.>>544835257>Since 2022, Zelensky banned negotiations with Putin by decree. I wonder who gave him that bright idea.
Yeah, Ukraine was a bunch of vegan peaceniks who spent all day trying to figure out world peace when Putin got bored one day and decided to genocide them. And there are those who still insist a moral God exists!
>>544835430Well someone fed the vegans meat cookies and they got uppity.>And there are those who still insist a moral God exists!"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" - Isaiah 45:7
>>544824087And what were the terms of the ceasefire? Can't help but noticed you left that out.
>>544830871>They're in a quagmire sacrificing ridiculous numbers of Russian lives for amorphous reasonsthey have far more reasons for any war they fought than any of the fucking wars any American ever foughtdie trash
>>544834709>implyingRobots will give Ukraine an edge up until Russian industry catches up to the tactics. The only way for Ukraine to maintain its edge is for the west to innovate automated warfare. Eventually warfare will devolve into a contest between factories and their outputs desu and I won't envy any "heroes" that want to fight in such conditions. But thats just the price of technological victory>>544834903>armored roombasNot sure if you are aware but plenty can fly
>>544824983russia is capitalist and the current war is a capitalist war
>>544825161Corpse exchange a few days ago was 10 Ukranians for 1 Russian, explain to me how is it going bad for BOTH sides lul
>>544824087>the deaths of white EuropeansIt is not Ukraine's fault. It is the Kiev's regime's fault. Slavs aren't white. Europeans voluntarily join the Kiev's regime army. They don't want to stop the deaths of white Europeans, they want European money keep flowing and the ceasefire is needed to rearm and regroup to secure the cash flows for longer amount of time.
>>544836384The idea that robots will (temporarily ) save Ukraine is ridiculous.The robots aren't like the FPVs in any sense:-They're relatively expensive -They have very limited autonomy -They're slow-They can't be bought/mass produced in industrial quantities -They aren't a great improvement over the average soldier or give higher capacities In other words, robots are way more suited for operations against irregular forces like the US does than what Ukraine is doing
>>544826088Russian draft will be in year 15 of the war at this rate kek
>>544826088Russian draft will be long after your beloved Democrats get you drafted to defend freedom and democracy in Iran, judging by the rate it is going.
