It’s incredibly hard for me to believe the neocons were worse than Trump and MAGA, or were all that bad at all.I just turned 28, so I was a kid in the 2000s and barely remember what politics was like back then. There’s all this talk of how “neocons” like Bush, Cheney, etc. were allegedly pure evil and that America needs to be purged of anything “neocon.” But how were they really all that worse than what America has now with Trump? The 2000s seemed incredibly blissful compared to today. I get that people were upset about the Iraq War but was that really the fault of the neocons or just typical American imperialism?Also, the “Straussian cabal” doesn’t exist, but if it did, so what? Leo Strauss was actually quite based. He was very pro-traditionalism and endlessly called out the moral relativism and lack of virtue in politics which lead to the degeneracy we see today. He also supported fascism originally and even called out Carl Schmitt for not being anti-liberal and reactionary enough. Wouldn’t we support “Straussians” in politics?
Nigger, the "new right" neoconservative problem goes back to the 1960s, gradually normalizing feminism, nigger rights, homosexuality, oligarchy and all the wonderful shit you witness today. I know this is a spam thread with no real discussion intended, but still kys.
>>544890916They were doing similar things to the miggers of today but they were alot more self aware and intelligent so it was much less obvious and/or more easily justified by them. Trump and his ilk are mental midgets compared to the old guard
Neoconservatives are the most evil people in American politics.The crux of neocon ideology is Jewish supremacy and the belief that America must dominate the world. The godfather of neoconservatism Leo Strauss taught that political elites should see themselves as philosopher kings and lie to the vulgar masses of people in order to keep the masses in-check. When philosophers aren’t ruling overtly, they should rule covertly.Strauss' student Paul Wolfowitz came up with the Wolfowitz Doctrine, which called for massive military spending and preemptive invasions of foreign nations hostile to America. This doctrine was revived by neocons first with Clean Break, which called for a U.S. invasion of Iraq as early as 1999 under the name “Operation Desert Crossing," and then with Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan's Project for the New American Century, which specifically called for a “NEW PEARL HARBOR” to justify said policies. Bill and his father Irving Kristol were die-hard followers of Strauss and sought to implement his thought any way they could. The Straussian cabal is very real and has been carefully manipulating American politics from the Nixon era onward.POWER OF NIGHTMAREShttps://youtube.com/watch?v=jxBbw13Y3GcA VERY HEAVY AGENDA (PNAC + 9/11)https://www.bitchute.com/video/mbaAPILY8XmM/Neocon analysishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oh6DmjQahoWolfowitz = Jewish supremacisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxz06SwfnlUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlv4YRKnHcNeocons are satanichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYidsuhaKYNeocon originshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0C157Wmm6EZionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013s(1:40:13)>"oy vey goyim, let us lie and deceive the public and give us the oil and let us establish a rothschild bank"They aren't even making an effort to hide it anymore.Total neocon death
>>544890916different label same flavor
>>544890916They were a lot smarter but just as shit
Neocons were smart evil.Trump/MAGA is stupid evil.Smart evil is objectively preferable to stupid evil.
>>544890916It's time to drop trousers and show your flag, little guy.
>>544890916>>544891375The Strauss shit makes me laugh. No, Plato scholars don’t dictate political policy. Power of Nightmares has a ridiculous amount of factual errors.
>>544890916nigger the neocons called obama a neocon when he attacked libya it had absolutely nothing to do with straus. schmitt or any theory youre borrowing directly from their own mouths.u posted this same thread yesterday and proved nothing.
>>544890916>It’s incredibly hard for me to believe the neocons were worse than TrumpThey were, Trump is an honest and easy to read guy in comparison. Those neofags were as bad as Hillary Clinton
>>544890916Neocons have no answer to snakes like Obama. The only way to deal with people like him are to use assholes and egotistic maniacs that won't bend and break.There's a reason Jeb! lost. As did Romney. As did McCain. These guys are too soft to handle genuine threats.
>>544891420Trump is not a neocon and he only attacked Iran because the neocon Zionists in his administration blackmailed him to.
>>544891107Man they were dumb as fuck and very in your face about it. Liberals made all the ground they did because of Bush. They were running around praying for war to cardboard cutouts of Bush and broadcasting it. They were so retarded they caused the entirety of the Obama era. Clinton couldnt have wished for a worse successor.
>>544891107Again Trump is the POLAR OPPOSITE of neocons. The entire crux of neocon ideology is Jewish supremacy. Trump has never been an ideological Zionist and only supports Israel for business purposes.
>>544890916People erroneously conflate Strauss with the neocons, Strauss was in fact quite based but the neocons all had more in common with Kojeve than anyone else believe it or not. And what you're missing is that the Trump admin embodies neocon foreign policy in the middle policy fully, going after Iran and Syria was always their goal, this fundamentally hasnt changed much when people like Rubio are running State department and Hegseth is a third temple heretic. They're a bunch of imperialist ghouls hellbent on world domination, which is Kojevian but merged with imperialist capitalism rather than Soviet ran world communism.
>>544891826There is a direct link between Strauss and the neocons.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tl1lYqy6nwIrving Kristol was close friends with Strauss and only became a neocon after reading Strauss' Persecution and the Art of Writing (where Strauss talks about the need of intellectual elites to write in code in order to deceive and control the "vulgar" masses). Paul Wolfowitz, by far the most evil of the neocons and the main architect of the Iraq War, was a literal student of Strauss and Strauss' student Allan Bloom. You can't deny the connection.
>>544891826Also this neglects the highly likelihood 911 having been an inside job one way or another, which if so, exploited the state of exception which Strauss and his students/followers were and are very aware of. Trump and his cronies havent done anything of such a magnitude yet, but not only wouldn't i put it past them but i expect them to provoke or stage a crisis that demands emergency powers, especially with the 1,001 corruption scandals that you can ruin their lives over with at this point.
>>544891826You just named a bunch of patsies, acting as temporary political representatives.
>>544891782The ones who pull his strings are so there’s no functional difference and the outcome is the same, see Iran war
>>544891722They got their goals done without 80% of people being angry about government corruption and turning on the capitalist class. Their biggest problem was how unpopular the war on terror was. Everything else they did went off without a hitch.
>>544891782>business purposesthe business of not having the kid diddling tapes released.
>>544891375Go to bed, Shadia Drury. We all know it’s you making these pastas.
>>544891930I didnt mean to deny the connection outright, just that there can be and in this case was a significant gap between the teacher and student(s), in this case between Strauss and the frankly disastrous foreign policies of the neocons. One retort is I know Strauss warns against trying to impose military might over everyone and everything in Natural Right and History, as that would impose universalism on particular societies, and only furthers the risk of artificial tyranny aka high tech ideological totalitarianism arising and taking over the planet, which he discusses in several of his books. And IIRC Kristol had a Trotskyte phase at some point even if it was short, which just overlaps with what Kojeve was all about, which was the coming of the universal homogeneous state (which Strauss warned would bring about an unwise totalitarian dictator to world power). Fukuyama split off from the neocons over this matter for their attempt to impose universal liberalism on particular societies that didnt reach liberal institutions naturally.
>>544891782>Trump has never been an ideological Zionist and only supports Israel for business purposes.Ahahahahhahhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/P1vAKf5szIl5
>>544891981Deputy Sec of War is hardly some esoteric position. Clearly trump admin is ran the the same neocon cabal as always, even if a closeted gusano and third temple heretic have the most public facing position this time around.
>>544892387Its not the position that's important. He is literally one of the richest jews in the US. He has all the influence and contacts needed to be a conspirator. Who is Hegseth? A drunk clown larping as a crusader.
>>544892131That's what I mean. Trump has been BLACKMAILED into supporting Israel. He has never, ever been a Zionist.>>544892149I'm not Shadia Drury but how is anything Drury said about Strauss wrong?>>544892187Yet Strauss openly advocated the use of lying and deception in politics which his students and cult followers adhere to to a T.https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/article-1542jsp/
>>544892242He has to do business with Israel or else his Zionist handlers will destroy him. He doesn't want JFK's fate.
>>544892671Strauss within Persecution and the art of writing puts forth that philosophers in the past had to omit and/or intentionally contradict within their writings to get controversial ideas across to other lucid readers while avoiding the attention of those who might kill them over whatever ideas being hinted at. Its a textual analysis method more than anything else, especially as lying in politics is hardly new. This is born out of the fact the father of western philosophy Socrates got killed by a democracy for asking too many sharp questions and rubbing shoulders with the wrong people. I've actually read Strauss's PATAW and he doesnt tell you to lie and deceive your way into power, and nowhere else in what I've read of him does he do so. Drurys interpretation on many things Straussian were very hyperbolic and definitely biased. Worth reading and considering in of itself, but simply biased to the point reading Strauss directly is best.
>>544892187the relative fact is the money moving to these guys is now vetted for "anti semitism"
>>544892892>Strauss within Persecution and the art of writing puts forth that philosophers in the past had to omit and/or intentionally contradict within their writings to get controversial ideas across to other lucid readers while avoiding the attention of those who might kill them over whatever ideas being hinted at. Its a textual analysis method more than anything else, especially as lying in politics is hardly new. This is born out of the fact the father of western philosophy Socrates got killed by a democracy for asking too many sharp questions and rubbing shoulders with the wrong people.It's still deception. Why do philosophers and intellectual elites insist on being outside of mainstream society unless they viewed themselves as "superior" to the common people in some way?
>>544893075>Why do philosophers and intellectual elites insist on being outside of mainstream society unless they viewed themselves as "superior" to the common people in some way?Because they are. The common denominator isn't much further along than a chimpanzee unfortunately, and it doesn't take a lot of insight to recognize this. This was the social point of Platos allegory of the cave.
>>544892892>Drurys interpretation on many things Straussian were very hyperbolic and definitely biased.Give concrete examples of things Drury got wrong.
>>544893156I would have to go specifically through her main book on Strauss to detail how she stitches and misinterprets separate ideas of his together and entangled him with the neocons from there, much less compare direct ideas and contrary texual evidence from Strauss himself. However I dont have a copy of Drurys book anymore, and its 2am and I am in nothing but my underwear. There is huge scholarly discourse around this topic though, so I would recommend you'd look up Straussophobia and find a non pay wall of Strauss's daughters defense of him: https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/07/opinion/the-real-leo-strauss.htmlAnd of course, read him himself.
>>544890916>He also supported fascism originallyYeah he supported Nazism on the basis it was a return to Rome, then realized he couldn’t join the Nazis because he was Jewish. Many such cases!
>>544891375>Zionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013sTry watching this entire video for once. It will expose what a fucking retard you are.
>>544892891He is in on the grift, motherfucker. His daughter converted to Judaism and married a Jew (Jared Kushner one of his biggest negotiators) his grandkids are Jewish too. Fucking retard.
>>544890916Trump is just a louder spicier brand of Neo-con. Full mask-off neo-con. That's all.Anything that once set him apart he has abandoned.
>>544894729It was for business, not ideological, reasons.
The fact that Trump can get away with the shit he does now is because neocons laid the foundation in the early 2000s with shit like Patriot Act
>>544894785Trump is NOT a neocon. He's anti-neocon.
>>544894951even the neocons were too anti semitic for miga
>>544895055False. Neocons and Straussians are Jewish supremacists. Trump has NEVER been a Jew supremacist.
>>544890916Before we get too far in this thread, we should understand that Neocons were people who claimed to have originally been progressive "liberals", but woke up to the "realities" of right wing conservativism.Rumsfeld and Dubya (and #3 whoever) were never liberals
>>544895107never said he wasi can only assume you don't get it
>>544895230"MIGA" is neocon. The Israel Firsters around Trump are neocons. Trump is not.
>>544890916> It’s incredibly hard for me to believe the neocons were worse than Trump and MAGA, or were all that bad at allHow to tell us you're a jew without saying you're a jew
>>544895251never said he was israel firstu deffo have reading and mental issues
>OP memeflag 1 pbtid $#@mming this same garbage topic all week long with his fistbumpers itt memeflags
>>544895360I see.
>>544890916This may be difficult to believe for a zoomer, but back then the jews still figured they needed smoke screens to make the US serve Israel, rather than enslaving them directly via uniparty dialectics>>544891375>>544891582Strauss is pure misdirection and disinfo to cover for the actual jew puppet master behind the curtains
>>544895546>Strauss is pure misdirection and disinfoYou say this often but never prove it.There's smoking gun proof Irving Kristol was influenced by Strauss. They were even close friends.
>>544895475who said any of these guys were israel first... youwho said any of these guys were supremacists.... youthe fact as stated is neocons were seen as too anti semitic for trump and his puppet masters, this is not a wild claim or difficult thing to grasp. and can be shown by non violent turning points style grifts through europe and places like iran the direct overthrowing capture and assassination of world leaders in your face.
>>544895751>the fact as stated is neocons were seen as too anti semitic for trump and his puppet masters,Okay, what's the logic here?
>>544891375>fell for the “PNAC did 9/11” meme
>>544896927They were in contact with Israel, yes.
>>544895546Tell this to Maupin in his comments section.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0C157Wmm6E
>>544890916Both are terrible.
>>544896258global miggersphere
>>544898692What do you mean?Explain why you believe Trump thought the neocons were "too antisemitic" for him.
