>Capitalism is the most efficient way of using resou-
>AI summaryIronic.
>>544899585Did you feel smart making that comment?
>>544899534Efficient means expedient in this case. Like entropy.
are we gonna get cheapies when they get desperate to unload them before they are worthless from being obsolete
>>544899534>Capitalism is the most efficient way of using resou-Yeah, they lost $7.6 Billion in one quarter. That's the invisible hand of the market punishing them for their inefficiency and their failed bet on data centers.Seriously nigger, how do you leftists not understand basic economics? You make a post showing that a company is losing money because of inefficiency and then you conclude that capitalism doesn't work.Read a book nigger.
>>544899789no, they'd rather shred all the GPUs than risk glutting the consumer market or even worse making personally owned powerful AI a thing
>>544899534what form of capitalism sends trillions of dollars to the third world like africa?
This is Jewish capitalism aka Communism.Capitalism does NOT have a federal bank.
>>544899789the gpus in question are giga expensive server gpus not the ones in normie computers
>>544899793>they lost $7.6 Billion in one quarterThat's like you losing 50 cents. You fail to understand how much money these people have. And the rest of us have fucked GPU prices, while they pay no real cost.
>>544899793This inefficiency costs all of us money nigger >MY profits OUR losses
>>544899789>are we gonna get cheapies when they get desperate to unload them before they are worthless from being obsoleteIts possible.Those GPUS won't be obsolete for quite a while; but their market value will go down as newer generations of GPU are released.Selling some of them onto the consumer PC market to take advantage of high demand would help Amazon recoup some of their losses so its a possibility; but to do that they'd have to accept that they aren't going to be able to build their data centers in the near future.
>>544899866Normie computer GPUs have silly prices because production has been prioritised for AI chips.
>>544899534there wouldn't be any gpus anywhere if it wasn't for capitalism
>>544899606A little bit, yes.
>>544899913The first GPUs were created in a university lab, funded by the government.
>>544899896>>544899886>>544899789>The pricing for the NVIDIA GB300 varies significantly depending on the form factor—ranging from roughly $85,000 for a standalone desktop workstation to up to $6.5 million for a full datacenter rack. Because these are enterprise-grade AI hardware assets, neither NVIDIA nor major OEMs publish standard retail consumer pricing
>>544899534it was obvious a year ago that the whole point of this hardware shortage was pricing out people of hardware that could run local aiai is the future, who controls it will rule the world and jews absolutely don't want goyim to have control of itsince they couldn't stop open source ai, they virtualy banned hardware for the 99%
Capitalism has served it's purpose to these 'elites', now it's just about hoarding and power and them having it and you either not having it or putting yourself into poverty to get it.Seriously though I'm surprised there haven't been criminals stealing these things more often.
>>544899937so you'd rather have them stay that way?
>>544899534>Capitalism is a more efficient way of using resources than communismftfy
>>544899966I think there is some truth to this
>>544899964yeah so they need to sell it to me for $300 its the best than i can go and they should be lucky to get anything at all since they are obsolete
>>544900015Communism was actually efficient at using resources at scale, such as for gigantic projects, where communism was terrible was using resources for consumers. Although China is now good at both by making a hybrid system.
People had to wait longer for their Tesla's to arrive than east Germans for their trabby under communism and they also had to pay in advance
>>544899534so the datacenters that are already built or near completion should profit handsomely from this bottleneck
>>544899964>$85,000 for a standalone desktop workstationI'll buy one for 15k wher they finally decide to dump the stock.
>>544899868It means that they made no profit and took a $7.6 billion loss over the quarter. It doesn't just mean that they lost $7.6 Billion. It means that when you total their sales vs their expenses they ended up $7.6 billion in the red for a quarter of the year.That's significant. To cancel out the profits they make off all their other sales those GPUs must be costing them a lot more than just $7.6 Billion which is a significant amount of money to any company even one as huge as Amazon.>>544899886>This inefficiency costs all of us money niggerSo does wasteful government spending. At least when a company is inefficient it they lose their money instead of your money. There are no consequences for the government, they don't care if they waste your money.
>>544899534If you allow markets to be disturbed by communistic and theocratic factors it ceases being a free market.
>>544899789if the ai bubble bursts we're in for the greatest depression in 100 years. gaming gpus are the least of your worries then.
>>544899789>>544899896>>544899964>NVIDIA GB300Yeah, so if that's the chipset we're talking about and they can't break them down into components for sale on the consumer market then they aren't going to be helping PC hardware prices.Amazon would be more likely to try and sell them to other companies trying to build data centers, ones that have the electricity they need to make use of them. Or they'll keep hording them in hopes they'll be able to get the electricity they need in the near future.
>>544900263Don't worry, the billionaires will be saved by central banks and the government, but we will need to raise prices for everything for you.
>>544899585Kek
>>544900223Its fucked up on all fronts. Looks like artificial demand to drive scarcity. BORING.
>>544900223>At least when a company is inefficient it they lose their money instead of your money.Why do they try to weasel into every retirement portfolio then?
>>544899534The problem is the government regulation on data centers being able to use power, not capitalism.
>>544900223This retard thinks the economy works like the pro capitalist economic propaganda books tells him it does, kek. Newsflash, the gigarich have their own law of the market.
>>544899793>invisible hand Lmao, lol
>>544900213The problem is that these things aren't even really GPUs at all. They still get referred to as such, but they're not actually general purpose graphics cards suitable for use in a normal computer. They're specialized for running AI models to such a degree they they'd likely perform worse for things like gaming and 3d modeling than a 5090, despite costing 10x as much.
>>544900424This.
>>544900424It's so funny how government fucks shit up and every time you have brown communist coming out of the woodwork saying 'this is capitalisms fault'Commies are so dishonest and stupid. They don't understand anything
>>544900396>Why do they try to weasel into every retirement portfolio then?Are you talking about massive Hedge Funds like Blackrock Securities? Which I'd agree are dangerously monopolistic.Or retail companies like Amazon? Because your complaint doesn't really apply to them.
>>544899534>Microsoft's GB300 cluster for OpenAI alone reportedly uses more than 4,600 of these racks, which works out to over 330,000 GPUs and an estimated $17 billion to $18.4 billionSo, it's a fraction of a cluster. Big whoop.
it highlights how inefficient western countries have become. how hard can it be to add more power. oh that's right. it takes like 10 years to build a nuclear power plant because we have no industry supply chains left and there's more red tape than a commie meeting in the USSR.
>>544900460Do you have a point to make? Or are you just being smug and pretending that you said something like a typical pil pul commie faggot?>>544900444Wow cool Professor, tell me how the world really works.You have something to say right? Surely you actually plan to tell me how things really work and you're not just talking out of your ass to try and look smart when you really have absolutely nothing to say right?
>>544900079>ChinaOh boy, that looks like fun.When there's a NEW way, get back to me.
>>544900522Individual companies surely don't oppose it though. Being 4% of all the funds might sound fair to individual company, but when all of them are combined it's no small chunk of the number that is not allowed to go down.
>>544900531its crazy how much compute power that is. a single GB300 GPU has 1200W TDP and 288GB of HBM3E memory. a single one of those would already be an incredible amount of computing power for one person to have. imagine have half a million of them. it's insane.
>>544900603you're a migger who watches star trek
>>544900667>Individual companies surely don't oppose it though.Oppose Hedge funds? I'd say the big ones probably have enough sway to get the hedge funds to help them manipulate the market; but by the same token there are smaller competitors that are getting fucked and are none to thrilled about it.
>>544899534where?
>>544900806>Romania>you're a migger who watches star trekAnd you're a filthy gypsy. Be gone gypsy, no one here has any change for you.
>>544899534Stock market has nothing to do with capitalism. It is pure socialism on company scale where every single loss hits the stock holders and every single gain is gain for the few chosen ones. It is typical how communism worked and why it did fail. And this is why US economy is failing. Because it stopped being capitalist economy and became share holder economy just like in communism where economy belonged to the people.
>>544900678 pedophiles are cutting down entire forests to make space for more data centers for their deranged voyeuristic fetishes and pathological obsession for control over the niggercattle. I hope you're using paper straws
>>544900902 keep begging for our attention migger
>>544899534good fuck companies for preventing me to get a new deskstop
>>544900976You call that trolling? You're just repeating the same insult and pretending I give a fuck about what you have to say.Come on, you're gonna have to do better than that if you want to rustle my jimmies. Step up your game faggot.
>>544900223They didn't take a loss last quarter you retarded fuck
>>544900444>Newsflash, the gigarich have their own law of the market.Yep. Imagine believing in econ 101 niggerbabble when a chink can say something and telepathically move billions around>Did I just move shit with my mind?
>>544901069>migger has stopped posting investopedia goybabbledon't let us discourage you, cheeto breath
>>544900630You can get a technical engineering product made in China in a single day. You just need to bring them a drawing or CAD file, and you'll have your prototype. Where else in the world can you do that?
>>544901386The spergs that think billionaires and megacorps are following economics 101 textbooks are fucking retarded, absolutely no understanding of the real world.
>>544899534my god
>>544899789no i assume prohibited resale is part of the terms of purchaseplus with ai being considered a strategic advantage, the us gov would swoop in to buy them all up if they ended up on the market
>>544899534>headline thread>with ai summary abstractThis is the future
>>544899534By the time they want to use them they will probably be outdated and discarded. Meanwhile the average gamer has to pay outrageous prices due to consumer GPU shortages.
>jewish bankers printing money out of thin air and giving it to jewish oligarchs to remove goods from the market is capitalismyeah capitalism is inherently jewish. there's a reason the CCP and Hitler both grabbed the capitalist kikes by their noses and force them to work for the good of the country instead of pulling scams.
>>544903106Yeah, Jezz Bezzos and Leather Jacket Man, totally jewish.
>>544899606In control.Unlike you.
>>544899789No. These chips are worth 50-100k and China will buy them from you for 1 million dollars cash. It's also treason to sell one of these to China. So it will be heavily regulated
>>544899935Goading the jeet.>noice
>>544902956@gook, summarise that post for me
>>544900496This thread is now redeemed.
>>544899534You're retarded.>>544899606Yes, 1,000% Yes.>>544899896>>544900333I'd be surprised if something along the lines of "if you can't salvage or resell it, destroy it so no one else can have it" isn't a Rule of Acquisition. Feels like that's exactly what will happen to these non-commercial GPUs
I still laugh how all this shit happened JUST as I was planned to build my next PC to replace my 11 year old one.I am more convinced by the day I am on some Truman show type shit.
>>544903573it's going to be quite some time before prices come down, years still
>>544902668Y9u also gave up your IP to do so.
>>544899534>more supply than demandgood, that means overinflated prices are over.oh, were you a commie nigger who thought>oh mai gaaaaawd i can't gamble on a new product nonstop to earn a trillion dollars per day, how can this be happening, capitalism fucking failed aaaaaaahhhhh
The future is local AIIf you have NVIDIA 30xx or 40xx or possibly other models, look for a "gpu unlock" to un-nerf it and increase instruction issuance rate to the professional model level - a free performance boostIt speeds up inferences maybe 10% and much more (e.g. for training) at the same fixed wattage
>>544903715the open weight models are nowhere near as good, they are getting better though.
>>544899896NopeThey'd have to accept that they made the wrong choiceand that WILL never happen
>>544899585OP and jews obliterated by fpbp
>>5448995345 billion is like what, 1.2 mil cards? So like not even one datacenter worth? Who cares?
>>544899534It's artificial scarcity and any government who gave a shit about its citizens would put a stop to it. It was 2 years ago now that Bezos compared internet hosting in the 90s to hardware hosting today, saying that in the 90s internet hosting wasn't consolidated at all. Lots of people were hosting their own websites & a wide variety of options were out there. Now, 2 webhosts host 80% of the internet. He sais he sees hardware going the same way and then starts buying up GPUs like they're candy.They're literally trying to create a future where compute is rented instead of owned. They're not even hiding it. https://www.bgr.com/2083454/why-you-wont-own-computer-renting-ai-ram-shortage/
>>54489953410x higher energy prices because of Datacenter demand when?
>>544903746if you compare with bleeding edge 100X cost per token frontier model - yes - but if you compare it with mainstream/competitive luna/tera tiers its other way round Chinese models are cheaper and more capable (at least when i last checked m workflows)
>>544899534I told you last year, they bought everything in advance but building up warehouse is slower than you'd think and now they are waiting for shit to be finished, maybe in 1 or 2 years for the first wave, and they will have all this already obsolete hardware to use for them instead of 2029 tech. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to just put all those GPU and rams in a grinder instead of admitting they didn't use them.
>>544901386He’s always wearing that motorcycle jacket but you don’t even see him on a scooter,
>>544899585gottem
>>544899534Infrastructure such as electricity generation and a high capacity power grid and transformers are missing. It doesn't matter how much you spend on hardware, if the infrastructure can't support what you want to build and now there is no money left over to build the infrastructure.
>>544899534Imagine believing this was an accident. By witholding this huge capacity they push up the market price of the commodity.... which of course will not go back down when they plug this stuff in.
>>544899793>invisible hand of the marketThe AI ponzi is being driven almost exclusively from ridiculous levels of public debt and money printing being funneled into state sponsored data centers and tech. In other words, you personally eat a loss via constant monetary inflation. I know that doesn't apply to Amazog here, but the chip shortage just screams artifical scarcity like they already do with housing in the west. There's tons of chips out there, but it's more profitable for these companies to make them collect dust in a warehouse and keep the price jacked up 600%
>>544899534>5 billion worth of GPUsso thats what in current day, 1000 5090s?
>>544906611Pretty sure it’s more to do with fluctuating and unstable market, tariffs, sanctions, etc. how many of those chips would’ve been for China had there not been any sanctions or tariffs?
