Why didn't they just team up against the Soviet Union considering they both hated them?Could've prevented WW2 as well
Because, anon, history is deterministicDon’t you ever wonder how some events played out almost too well for the Soviets?The resounding march of Slavic Bolshevism was inevitable
>>544918216You don't team up with someone whom you fully conceive as being utterly inferiour. Also Poland from the perspective from the Germans at the time, should never have existed after the end of the 1st World War and on top of that, they possesed former German lands which is even more unacceptable.Poland being conquered was not a matter of if but when in German eyes at the time.
>>544918420Poland wasn't conquered thohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q88AkN1hNYM
>>544918216This is something I'm genuinely curious about.Poland had an army of 2.6 million troops (upon full mobilization), and if Germany had invaded the Soviet Union together with Poland, the outcome of the War might have turned out completely different.In fact, before coming to power, Hitler even considered forming an alliance with Poland to confront the USSR.
>>544918216Slavs are subhuman. So the Polish are subhuman. The Ukrainians are subhuman. The Russians are subhuman. They’re all white niggers. Hitler had a duty to take back German land and then colonize former Slavic lands taken from the Germans in the 600s.
>>544918216>have non-aggression pact with soviet union>aggresses >this is treated like everyone else's fault
>>544918531>Poland had an army of 2.6 million troops (upon full mobilization),where did you get these numbers from? it was 1 million>if Germany had invaded the Soviet Union together with Poland, the outcome of the War might have turned out completely different.that is true though, the Germans ended up lacking a couple divisions during Barbarossa (maybe it was up to a dozen) while the Polish Army fielded 40 divisions
>>544918821I got these numbers from this blog.https://www.thesecondworldwar.org/invasion-of-poland/prelude-to-war/polish-order-of-battle
>>544918470>Poland wasn't conquered thoCan you point at the 1940 map where Poland is? No?
>>544919516>>544918470
>>544918420And now they're dead. lolAnd now their descendants are all being raped to death. lmao even
>>544919565i mean we didnt submit like the french and actually kept on fighting, until we won
>>544919516Where was Germany in 1945?
>>544918216Because hitler was a fucking retard.
>>544918216Poland wanted to stay neutral.
>>544919054your own source states that its a theoretical figure of what may have been possible to muster, but wasn't, and the number of soldiers fielded was between 900k and 1 million
>>544918216Germany teamed up.
>>544919726>>544919683The point was that Poland WAS conquered. Obviously the Soviets replaced the Germans as the occupation force in 1944/1945.
Those who bless Poland will be blessed.Those who curse Poland will be cursed.
>>544919833Its saying they could have fielded more men with more time to mobilize. Same was true for every country.
Germany had territorial claims in Poland, and western powers managed to convince Poland they will save their ass. In hindsight it was all orchestrated by Anglos and Jews.
>>544919998fuck poolandwipe it off the maps
>>544918821Only true if that means the western powers are removed from the equation, but then it is questionable whether Stalin would be as lax as he was in our timeline. In any case Poland would still be fucked, the Germans would just turn all of Warsaw into a ghetto with no shots fired.
>>544918216Because Hitler wanted land.
>>544920135lolAnd kokols fell for anglkike fake promises today.History Repeats!
>>544919979would you say that Yugoslavia was conquered? i wouldn'tto conquer doesn't just mean to take territory it also means to force its inhabitants into submission
>>544918216Poland did team up with the Germans when it came to Czechoslovakia. This fact normally gets swept under the rug for the political narrative's sake.
>>544920245>>544920320>t.nobody is celebrating in Poland, eh?
>>544919979Poland and Soviets worked together to liberate the country from the Germans. The narrative about switching occupation is a post 1989 historical delusion/copium among some conservative right-wingers and their adjacent historians
>>544919643theres a solid 80 million of them standing firm, they've survived and continue to survive despite your perverted fantasizing
>>544918216Hitler was a historylit who didn't understand the value of a buffer state between Germany and Russia . He also took offense to the very idea of Poland since he thought it all belonged to Germany. Stalin also thought the same pretty much and that's why they partitioned Poland . This mutual stupidity led to the deaths of 30-40 million people and the complete genocide of eastern Germans
>>544918216Poland didn't want that because they believed Britain would protect them. basically like Zelensky, when Boris Johnson allegedly said in early 2022 Zelensky should not back down.
>>544920374>Poland did team up with the Germans when it came to Czechoslovakia.no we did notwe didn't even participate in the Munich Agreement. that's what teaming up with the Germans means...we extended a 48-hour ultimatum to Czechoslovakia on September 30th, 1938 and they agreed in the late evening of October 1st. it was a peaceful transfer of territory with a Polish majority with Polish and Czechoslovak officers shaking hands followed by the local Czechoslovak administration's prompt exit. the primary reason for this action being to not let this territory with its Polish population fall into German hands and most importantly, with a vital railroad linkthis is now being overblown by rusniggers and tankies into being something akin of a Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with its Secret Protocol, but Polish-German instead. lolthey also say we "invaded" Czechoslovakia or something
>>544920374They acted completely militarily and diplomatically independently form Germany, it was pure opportunism.
>>544920389>poland the soviets britain and the united statesftfy, someone moar historically literate can prolly make it even clearer
>>544920565>it was a peaceful transfer of territory>>544920580>acted completely militarily and diplomatically independently form GermanyThis is exactly what the Soviets said when they took eastern Poland. Nothing but empty equivocations.
England and France didn't want Germany to be prosperous so they promised the evil dictator of Poland Edward Śmigły-Rydz he could restore the First Polish Republic if he antagonized Germany..
>>544920389>The narrative about switching occupation is a post 1989 historical delusion/copium among some conservative right-wingers and their adjacent historianslol jaki komuszy zjeb xDthe occupation only ended in 1989 (political) and 1993 (military, when the last troops left Poland, tho most Soviet troops had packed their bags by the time of the USSR's collapse in 1991)
>>544920520based mutual stupidity
>>544920389>worked togetherStalin made sure to give poor Polish bastards in Warsaw hope of relief but only really used it to tie Germany in Stalingrad 2.0 behind its frontlines.Warsaw children did not expect Dr. Dirlewanger and his brave tactics.>no why can you use based tactics against our roach tacticsSuch audacity, you Poles are the punching bag of Europe, rightly so, first used by Anglos, then by Soviets.
>>544920628Except even Poland knew this. Soldiers were ordered to stand down unless they were shot at
>>544920583United States and UK did nothing to save Poland, stop beliving your government propaganda about US winning WW2, you did not in fact US didn't win any war.And US was an enemy of Poland up until 1989>>5449206461st and Second Polish Army was known for their fierce fight and conquest up to Berlin. In fact Kołobrzeg was conquered by Poles.
>>544920628>This is exactly what the Soviets saidnothing that the Soviets EVER said holds any water lol. of course THEY would try to draw a false equivalence between the Nazi-Soviet alliance and some non-existing historical "precedent"you can see the Polish and Czechoslovak officers shaking hands here in this 1938 Polish newsreel at 5:05-5:10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-gLDISbPFoin contrast, you know who Soviet officers shaked hands with in 1939?with Nazi German officers, for example at a joint Nazi-Soviet parade organized in Brześć nad Bugiem (Brest-Litovsk or Brest)
>>544920646Gdyby tak nie było to do dzisiaj nie byłoby ulic na ich cześć debilu. Nie byłoby cmentarzusk polskich żołnierzy którzy forsowali Odrę.Ale, żeby dojść do takich wniosków trzeba mieć IQ nieco powyżej rozwielitki a ty najwyraźniej tego nie masz.
>>544920862>see, they shook hands on the newsreel!it's like I am talking to an actual 1930s polish peasant. how naive can you get? you yourself said poland gave them an "ultimatum", do you know what that word means? jesus fucking christ anon
>>544920789they may have been your enemy until when the fuck ever but to say that britain and the united states had nothing to do with poland being saved is absolutely insane retardation lmao im seriously not historically literate but im pretty sure the united states was supplying the soviets with lots of guns and supplies throughout the war while also joining the fight holy shit wtf are you on
>>544918216We tried and offered anti comintern alliance but poland refused and instead choose to stirr conflict with germany by allowing their terrorist killing germans in their occupied land. They though they could conquer Germany with English garantee. It is what it is the world as a whole got bad results because the majority of people choose sin instead of reason. Just look at these Polish butthurt retards in here.
>>544920789>And US was an enemy of Poland up until 1989And now along with the EU plutocrats, they're an occupier. This country hasn't been independent for 87 years.
>>544920789>you did not in fact US didn't win any war.Those faggy wishy washy mutts even lost their "war on drugs".LMFAO!
>>544920862You literally had a non aggression pact with the Nazis and had deep connections, when it came to things like trade.Hitler’s goal was never to invade Poland, he doesn’t even talk about it in the Mein Kampf. No it was the dissolution of the Soviet Union. He wanted to work with the Poles but you stubborn mules wanted to chart your own foreign policy xD which lead to the disaster of September 1939
>>544920878no fajnie ze byli polscy zolnierze szturmujacy Berlin, ale znajdowali się pod dowództwem sowieckim jako część wojska sowieckiego. nie tylko na poziomie frontu, armii czy dywizji, ale również na poziomie brygad/batalionów/pułkówstale znajdowali się też pod kontrolą sowieckich "politycznych"
>>544918216Poland wanted to invade Germany.
>>544920776No, the command of the Warsaw insurgency had just really poor timing, at the time it was really impossible for Soviets to advance to help the insurgents in time, becuase of the strategic situation the Soviet troops were at the time.In short the commanders were iditios and they are to blame for the calamity, they wanted Poles to inscribe itself in the history and Warsaw Uprising as a real Uprising (and not the jewish warsaw ghetto uprising) and show that Poles fought and not just waited to get liberated by the Red Army.In a way they achieved this but it came ad massive costs, that would be considered a crime and the commanders would be executed for that
>>544920948You are one massive fucking retard xD the Soviets were already in Poland by the time of D-day. Regarding lend lease you only sent them logistics shit like trucks. 99% of Soviet weaponry was produced in Soviet factories.
>>544920862It was still an annexation, wtf are you trying to prove? Czechs were vulnerable, you came on like vultures.
>>544921122>you only sent them logistics shit like trucksbro quite a few shermans went to russia and the red army tank drivers liked them very much. not to mention america sent fuel, uniforms, all kinds of important things
>>544921122i am a massive fucking retard kek i really dont know the details of this shit but it sure as fuck wasnt the fucking soviet union and poland alone vs germany
>>544920961At this point I don't even consider it a "country" or "nation". It's just a graveyard and a duel open air mental asylum.
>>544921180Out of the what 50,000 T-34s the Soviets used in the war?They did send stuff but nothing compared to the modern lend lease Ukraine is receiving, which is basically life support for them.
>>544918216danzig and the pomeranian corridorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor
>>544921122He's talking about the lend lease program, it was decisive to Soviet victory.
>>544921268now were talking about the ukraine warim out lel
>>544920961Yes. Which really tells much about Poles and our mentality. We willingly chose to be bootlegs of US empire, so do not complain about Soviet occupation that didn't exist. Poland wasn't a USSR country. It was its own state a socialist country with state controlled economy and backwater rural population and not a lot of actual Soviet influence.>>544920967True. War on Iran is perhaps the last blow to the US narrative and US propaganda spread in mass media like CoD and other gameslop.>>544921015HINT. Oni CHCIELI być pod dowództwem Stalina, bo wiedzieli, że tylko pod jego dowództwem coś osiągną a nie będą tylko kolejną masą na wybicie i rytualne poświęcenie w imie niczego, jak to było w przypadku rządu Londyńskiego. I mieli racje, bo tylko oni cokolwiek osiągnęli i ich wysiłki miały jakiekolwiek efekty, które są do dzisiaj.
>>544920476uh huh uh huhsure buddy, sure.
>>544921190It basically was for most of the early 1940s desu
>>544921000>You literally had a non aggression pact with the Nazisyes, signed in 1934we also had a 10-year NAP with the USSR, signed in 1932the USSR tried excusing its breaking of this treaty when they invaded Poland on the morning of September 17th, 1939 by falsely claiming that the Polish government had "collapsed" and "ceased to exist" supposedly connected with the flight of the Polish governmentin reality, the Polish government only evacuated ON THE NEWS of the Soviet invasion on the night of September 17-18
>>544921293No it absolutely wasn’t, kek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)#Industrial_output
>>544921135it was a legal annexation with consent of Czechoslovakia, and not an invasion. that's not a small difference
>>544921268>nothing compared to the modern lend lease Ukraine is receivingLet's try to stay on the subject. There is absolutely no question that American lend-lease was critical to the Soviet victory, just as Soviet sacrifice was critical to the American victory.>>544921352The Royal Navy and Royal Air Force would like a word
Proles are destined towards being subjugated. They are destined to serve either Krauts or Ivans, but to never lead.
>>544918216Danzig and the fact that this anti-commintern alliance would mean Poland would become a puppet of germany if they ever agreed to the terms. In general, when it comes to poltics and diplomacy discussions around Poland ever since first partition the country never played ball so to speak as it was surrounded by actual great powers all the time, so shifitng any blame is pointless imo
>>544921511>posted using one very fat finger from the front of the line outside the mcdonaldsLEAD ON, BRAVE BURGERINO!
>>544921411You’re the same naive retard who claims Poland “peacefully” snatched land from Czechoslovakia I mean come on.I could make the same case for the USSR and Poland. There is a reason the allies didn’t declare war on the Soviets when they invaded, or why Polish soldiers were ordered to stand down.
>>544921202A sad state of affairs for what we could have been...
>>544921324>HINT. Oni CHCIELI być pod dowództwem Stalina, bo wiedzieli, że tylko pod jego dowództwem coś osiągną a nie będą tylko kolejną masą na wybicie i rytualne poświęcenie w imie niczego, jak to było w przypadku rządu Londyńskiego.they didnt want to be another ritual cannon fodder? what are you talking aboutlol especially when they were thrown like cannon fodder on the Pomeranian Wall in February 1945 or during the disastrous, idiotic Battle of Budziszyn in late April 1945 under the drunkard nkvd agent Świerczewski (granting the Germans literally their last victory in WW2 xD)over 2000 Polish soldiers died in the last one literally for nothing
This is now a Second Polish Republic interbellum thread.
>>544921586>ad hominemnot an argumenti accept your concession of defeat
>>544918216They did, although it was more by force initiated by Germany.Millions of Poles became "Germanised" and joined the military or german society. You will find many Germans or Poles today whose lineage gets a bit muddy a few generations back, especially near the border. That is just the result of history and changing narratives. Very normal.The same can be said about Germans were repatriated to the USSR after WW2. Nationalism and ethnicity is a very abstract and weak concept in reality. It ceases to exsist when peoples lives and stabilitt is challenged by it.
>>544918216Germans saw Slavs as subhuman and wanted to rule over Polish lands and eventually replace them with German stock, so there was no point in teaming up with the Poles against the Soviet Union, which could and would crush Poland anyways.
>>544921088He just waited out for you roaches to die, as he'd have to inevitably stamp down on you either way.>>544921457Stealing with defenceless grandma is not stealing.
>>544921510>Let's try to stay on the subject.This isn’t Reddit I can say whatever the fuck I want xD and it was entirely relevant to our conversation.Did lend lease produce all 6 million PPsh-41s? All 67,000 T-34s? All 346 million artillery shells?
>>544921644>idiotic Battle of Budziszyn in late April 1945 under the drunkard nkvd agent ŚwierczewskiThat time when they were commander by a Pole they lostBut Świerczewski had some good side to him - like this massive campaigns against Banderites that were exteremely popular and gave him a lot of clout, in fact to this day many Poles brag about their grandpas/great-grandpas participating in fights against UPA bandits.And when it comes to the fight for the Pomeranian Wall - it was the same as fighting for Monte Cassino, where Poles were dying like flies. In some cases of the war you just had to do zerg rush to achieve something that wasn't unique to the Red Army tactics.What you do today is copium and distortion of reality. In fact if the Soviets didn't help then no one would especially not the useless London government.
i think it has something to do with not wanting to give the control right back to the same people who just spent 120 years keeping your country off the map
>>544918216Because leaders in these days (the same as now) were idiots (in pre-ww2 they were romantic idiots "NAH HONOR IS MOST IMPORTANT THING TO THE LAST POLE, THEN" now it is "USA WILL PROTECT US YOU DONT HAVE ANY CHANCE WITH US WE CAN YOU SOLO`ED NO PROBLEMO")
>>544921741Funny how history turned and Germans were massively replaced soon after.
>>544918216I only fight with a non psycho polish GF
That was the original plan. Poland didn't want to sign the anti Comintern. Hitler tried for 5 years to get them on his side despite opposition from Prussian autists.
>>544921686What a snowflake
>>544921819No one had to stamp down on anyone as everyone awaited the Soviets to come.
>>544921757My great-grandmother was this age back then over there. Their home on Ulica Zlota was destroyed by the Luftwaffles in 1939 and they had to flee the city. She lived to be 98. Była bardzo kochającą kobietą.I love these old photos of back home from back then. The Nazis really did commit so many crimes against humanity and destroyed so many lives. Sigh ... I hope the Jews' campaign to funnel migrants into their nation to destroy them succeeds and that they are wiped out for all their sins. Then the survivors can be cast to the wind like permanent diaspora so they too can suffer like the Jews and their ancestors. It'll be a very fitting final justice for them.
>>544921831You don't just spawn out of thin air irl, Soviet logistics ran on western trucks and locos. Soviets would probably still survive 1942 alone but beyond that is uncertain.
>>544921869>What you do today is copium and distortion of reality. In fact if the Soviets didn't help then no one would especially not the useless London government.and what if the Soviets hadn't helped the Germans, starting from the 1920s? ever asked yourself that?
>>544922296Germany doesn't exist today either way, barely by blood, not at all in spirit. And spirit matters most."If the war is lost, the nation will also perish. This fate is inevitable. There is no necessity to take into consideration the basis which the people will need to continue even a most primitive existence. On the contrary, it will be better to destroy these things ourselves, because this nation will have proved to be the weaker one and the future will belong solely to the stronger eastern nation. Besides, those who will remain after the battle are only the inferior ones, for the good ones have all been killed."
>>544922301The Soviet Union produced 70,000+ tanks in the warWhat makes you think they wouldn’t be able to churn out a bajillion trucks or trains?
>>544922296>The NazisGermans
>>544922413>the Soviets defeated fucking dirlewanger but this is how they were bad actuallyPoles are fascinating creatures xD
>>544922495T-34 worked off a Christie platform licensed most benevolently by the US lolthe USSR received everything including its industrialization in exchange for the only things it had to offer - gold and grain confiscated from starving peasants (Murica needed that grain during the Dust Bowl)
WW2 was inevitable because the goals of the first war were not met. Germany and Austria wanted to exist. Britain and Russia did not want them to exist. They wanted to break Germany into pieces which is what happened. The kerfluffle with Poland happened because then as now they were servants to Anglo-Atlantic power. Then it was the Brits, now it’s the American empire. In their hearts the poles are more Balkan than anything else. They hate ALL their neighbors and will go hungry to take food out of their mouths. So when England used Poland to lure Germany back into war they were more than happy to get steamrolled. That’s why so many people compare today’s Ukraine to Poland back then. Both were given security guarantees by the west that of course fell through. They’re just tools of Atlantic powers to drag their enemies into damaging wars. Poles of course have learned nothing from this and will destroy themselves at the wests behest all over again. The English don’t even consider French or Germans to be white. What do you think they feel about you slavic apes?
>>544922413WTF are you even smoking. Soviets didn't help the Germans in anything. And their participation in 1939 invasion was right from the strategical perspective. Remember that the Red Army encroached to the lands caputered by the Polish Army and admitted to Poland during Riga agreement as a strategic cushion in case Hitler invades the USSR - and it was correct as it created a great strategic buffer and made Wehrmacht unable to reach Moscow, which would be so certain if Hitler caputred all of the lands to the east as well.
>>544922503Yes Goebbels and Himmler were such handsome fellows, wouldn't you agree?
>>544922495The fact that they didn't? And even half their airforce flew on American high octane oil, even the tanks you're talking about needed aluminum for their engines, about half of which was also American.
>>544922614>the USSR received everything including its industrialization in exchange for the only things it had to offer - gold and grain confiscated from starving peasants (Murica needed that grain during the Dust Bowl)sure, dont bother asking yourself how or why would anyone supply industrialization of another country while suffering economic catastrophe known as The Great depression
>>544922717>Germany and Austria wanted to exist. Britain and Russia did not want them to exist. They wanted to break Germany into pieces which is what happened.does American education really not cover the 1930s? you go straight from WW1 to WW2? ever heard of appeasement? we wanted to check Germany's rearmament when they were still weak prodding France to invade Germany together with us in 1932, which was legal under the conditions set out by the Treaty of Versailles btw, which Germany had signed.France chickened out and wanted to realize their naive Eastern Pact idea including them, Germany, Czechoslovakia and us
>>544922614The "US" had nothing to do with it, Christie the bitter engineer sold it by himself under the guise of tractors.
>>544918531what pollack troops?the barking shithole fell in two weeksare we living in alternate realities?
>>544922614>the concepts were westernBut the blood and toil was Soviet.I accept your concession. lol >>544922759Soviets produced about 3,000 trains and 300,000 trucks during the course of the war. The raw materials used were mostly Soviet. Aluminium for example, came from domestic mines about 60% of the time. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/lend-lease-eastern-front
>>544922717WW2 was inevitable because of the geopolitical situation itself, this always has triumphed any ideology, in fact it is ideological beliefs that are influenced by raw reality of resource distribution on the planet, here's a strong power in the middle of Europe, economy hovering over the gutter, surrounded by enemies growing quickly, they could either try a massive gamble now, or inevitably get rekt by Bolsheviks eventually.
>>544922845The great deppression wasn't some disaster that resulted in every factory in the US exploding and all its laborers getting lined up against walls and shot in the head. The depression was entirely driven by a lack of demand because people lost a bunch of a money on the stock markets and international trade slowing down. The government fixed that situation by just borrowing money and paying all the factories to work 24/7. Short term fix that paid of well since by the end of the war American industry was the only one that that hadn't been bombed to pieces and could dominate international trade for manufactured goods for many decades to pay back those loans.
>>544923128The Red Army came through this land in roughly about 5-6 days. This is how it took to defeat the Germans on that particular land in January 1945
>>544923128They go utterly raped and still think they’d stand a chance against any power xD
>>544918216back then poland was the mexico of europe
>>544922296Niech spoczywa w pokoju. The original residents of Warsaw were something else.>I hope the Jews' campaign to funnel migrants into their nation to destroy them succeeds and that they are wiped out for all their sins.Eh. As a Catholic, I don’t hold a grudge against them. It’s just unfortunate that things turned out the way they did.
>>544923220Geopolitics is a result of ideology, not the other way around. The geopolitical situation of WW2 was engineered by Hitler and his ideology.
>>544922745>WTF are you even smoking. Soviets didn't help the Germans in anything.now i know ur just a rusnigger trollVPN off HIVan!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Rapallo_(1922)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Berlin_(1926)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipetsk_fighter-pilot_schoolhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_tank_schoolhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Credit_Agreement_(1939)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_economic_relations_(1934–1941)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pacthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lwów_(1939)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovskhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_(1940)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo–NKVD_conferenceshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Axis_talksThis goes even further:>Lenin himself was a paid German agent provocateur and the Bolshevik coup wouldn't have happened without Germany (though Kerensky's idiocy in the Kornilov affair also helped)>Stalin ordered KPD not to enter coalition talks with the SPD in 1932 despite the KPD and SPD winning together a majority of seats in the Reichstag, which resulted in a deadlock and directly paved the way to Hitler's ascendance - VERY LITTLE KNOWN FACT>and Germany stayed neutral and didn't help Finland out when they were invaded by the USSR
>>544923422Rent free xD go die for Brussels tranny
>>544922961Ever heard of the concert of Europe retard? It has been the UKs stated continental policy for CENTURIES that no great power can be allowed to form on the continent. Did you never find it odd that they fought desperately to defend Prussia and the German states from napoleon only to turn around and fight desperately to defend France from Germany? It doesn’t matter to them who it is, their European foreign policy will not allow anyone to unite the continent. As much as a basket case as Austria was, with them and the German empire holding that much land mass and population they had to go. All the lead up to the war and the archduke is all post facto justification for a war that was going to happen anyways. They aren’t even two wars they’re the same war with an intermission.
>>544923422So Soviets and Germans had their non-agrression agreements?Wow, just like Poland! Are you actually so low IQ or are you trolling? Tell me if I had to close my discussion with you due to your retardation, or you're just playing with me and trying to be annoying
>>544923128To their credit the 7TP was a pretty good tank for the time, and their motor cavalry units locally performed decently. Besides I think the armoured scene of 1939 Poland and what lead up to it has scary parallels to what is happening in Jeetland, Politicians fucking up the army, maybe a leitmotif in all of WW2, maybe of all of history, from France to Russia to Germany.
Some people have literally never picked up a history book that isn't about the world before world war two.
>>544918216Yeah Poland what a powerhouse lol. They got half of it anyway and they got Norway Denmark Benelux and France out of it so it was better than having a weak polish shithole on your side
>>544923422And I know all about the fact that Bolsheviks were planted by Germany. Of course dumb Russians wouldn't be able to come with such an intellectual breakthrough as inventing the knew paradigm for statebuilding, so it was literally imported from abroad. The Russian masses were just so dumb and illiterate they took the bait, while in other countries the leaders were literally lynched and executed by the people. Like in Germany or Hungary.But you're literally fucking lying that USSR sponsored Germany and Hitler which wasn't a case.
>>544922296disgusting.germany was the last hope for humanity.
>>544918216Hitler couldn't get over Poland having 40 miles of sea access.Also figure since 1/2 of Poland had been Germany till after WW1, there were lots of Germans in Poland and in Germany whispering about "Berlin will soon be back in charge of these peasants" and that queered any German/Pollock alliance.Germany actually got a great deal on land after WW1 because it was based on language, and Germany would be the most spoken if there was region of several.
>>544923419Nah, sovereign identity groups and raw distribution of resources, everything else is an illusion. All of politics is one giant cope to hide the fact that nature is one giant team deathmatch. Europe today is slave of America by force and subversion, if it were independent it would repeat WW2 all over again.
>>544923422The very fact that the Russians were the only ones who acepted bolshevism prompted Hitler's contempt of Russians and their culture in Mein Kampf.
>>544923418I used to be a good Catholic once too. I really did believe in all of that because it just seemed right. It all made sense. The reality is that living on this side of the world changes you. Things are different here. Here people are mask-off and wear their pvp flag on their faces. There is no room for Christian forgiveness or kindness here. Here those things are all seen as weaknesses. They are marks for targets. That's where the yummiest meat is and that's where the hyenas go to. It really is the wild west out here, compared to a peaceful place like Polska.>>544923649>We have to kill humanity to save humanityNo try again please but next time less retardedly.
>>54492366360 IQ mutt momentThe slience is golden in your case.
>>544923643Both of you are monkies just realizing that realism is the best descriptive framework for geopolitics not ideology.
>>544923492Yeah don't forget the UK backing muslim invaders against the Russians because they were getting to strong. Disgusting behaviour.
>>544923649Im glad to have great grandfather participating in the destruction of humanity then.
>>544923897Anglos and Kikes are responsible for most of the worlds conflict, lowkey.
>>544923862You're a 65 IQ Jeet trying to act intellectual, but you're evidently too low IQ for that and you fail at doing so as your street shitting brown genes are showing up in your incoherent and context-unaware writing.
>>544923692> Europe today is slave of America by force and subversionAnd why is that the case? Because America won both the Second World War and the Cold War, both of which were ideological conflicts. We literally live in the liberal-democratic world that the United States painstakingly created, every single conflict on earth can be understood as the liberal hegemon “stamping out” the last vestiges of old world authoritarianism. Don’t believe me? Consider your own political assumptions. You probably subconsciously believe that the individual is the primary political unit, for example. That in itself is a liberal-democratic principle that didn’t exist 300 years ago.
>>544918216because they were sitting on german land that was handed to them after ww1 to humiliate germany?
>>544918470>>544919683>>544920389>>544920345peak cope
>>544924150The german land that the locals kicked you out of because these lands were so german and people wanted it to be so german that they kicked your administration out in popular uprising?If anything that was huge humiliation for Germany, if that's what you mean by humiliating Germany
>>544924150Germoid, you're about to start another world war which will lead to more territory loss
>>544924150You should have stopped chimping out and worked with your European brothers instead of falling for demagoguery. You picked the easy path because you are natural-born slaves who love to offload their autonomy to a higher authority, so you all chose an insane madman because he told you something that was easy to swallow. Not only did you get to offload your autonomy onto an authority but also the responsibility for your mistakes onto a minority. That is the behavior of a very cowardly people. LET'S NOT GET IT TWISTED BOYS. COME ON NOW. COME ON.
>>544924075And America today has no issues supporting leftists in enemy countries as long as it weakens their enemy. If they were ideologically motivated they would behave very differently, they'd do something about Sunni Islamic monarchies instead or allying with them against Shias Islamic Monarchies. They'd be supporting BJP in India instead of funding anti-national protestors because they want to weaken India??? Why are there best buds with Pakistan? They've had no issues supporting anyone as long as they get their shit done. Cold War was just them fighting against their immediate enemy.>You probably subconsciously believe that the individual is the primary political unitNah, that's retarded, an individual can do nothing, individualism isn't even real, kikes made it so they could make the Goyim feel he's free even though all choices are already made for the masses by Jew controlled media and ideology factories that are western Arts Universities. Ideology is just a means to control.
>>544924450>and worked with your European brothersmaybe if they acted as brothers?
>>544918216Kikeipedia is shithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:GoToComment/c-Pppery-20261016155700-Up_to_400_recent_AfDs_may_contain_AI-generated_!votes
>>544924552You chimped out and and got sent to the corner then cried about it. Stop whining and crying. Be a man. Get over yourself. But you just couldn't do that and that's why you got the belt and that's why your cheeks literally got split apart. Oh yeah that was so much better.
>>544924634read up what the allies imposed on germany after ww1. weimar germany and the subsequent popularity of Hitler was their own doing.
>>544918216I like how there are fellow anons enthusiastically indignant about the current state of Germany's borders compared to the historical boundaries. Indeed, I am incensed. It's fucking insane.
>>544923897They need Europe and the near east to be in chaos because if they’re not then the UK is just a couple of islands with bad weather. When everything is in chaos however they’re an unsinkable aircraft carrier protected from upheaval by the ocean. So they do everything they can to fuck shit up everywhere they go. It’s not an accident that when they drew lines on a map in the middleast it resulted in chaos and conflict. That’s their entire foreign policy. But they’re so fucking good at propaganda we all just think of them as charming sillybillys and forget about all the blood on their hands. Even Nigel farage is the same. I would bet my house he’s been working as an asset his entire political career to damage the EU. The only reason they joined the EU in the first place was to later destabilize it with brexit. The idea that the ruling elites were against brexit is insane. It wouldn’t have happened if they were against it, they just convinced the proles it was their idea.
>>544918216They tried. Pilsudski was willing to sign such a pact but he died too early. The next retard beleived British spies when they told him they could totally take Germany and Britain would totally help and then they ended up Soviet slaves for a century. What’s funny is the retard polacks are trusting British spies again right now
>>544918216we had around 15% of population that identified as Jewish - and with Hitlers choice to prosecute them we could not play ball and mount coalition against soviets as rest of central Europe did...
>>544918419This larp is getting old. Not even Marxists believe in deterministic history anymore.
>>544924450>worked with your European brothers???That's on everyone else, not Germany. Romania, Bulgaria, etc. all seemed totally willing to play along.I know we're all Jews and jeets here, but pretending to be retarded is really boring.
>>544922614>the only things it had to offerThat's not true, it was in exchange for no-bid contracts for resources after the war. Guess who the beneficiaries were.
>>544924705but you didn't all have to fall in love with him the way you did. just because someone puts a pie on a windowsill does not mean you have to come flying over wafting in on a cloud of olfactory satisfaction.also the entire world was suffering not just Germany. he did back then what LGBT do today and pole-volted through the Suffering Olympics straight into the Reichstag. Judges? 10.0 10.0 9.9 BRAVO!!!
>>544924753Theyve literally learned nothing. They’re laughing at the Ukrainians not realizing they’re next.
>>544924634The war happened because Germany was sovereign, other powers were building up especially Soviets, and they had to do something to get raw resources and land for the future wars to come otherwise they'd be swept away by Bolshevik hordes eventually either way.If Hitler never got into power Schleicher would've moved east anyways.
>>544918470>Poland wasn't conquered thoyeah, it wasn't, but it will be this time
>>544924944are you living under a rock?its the same with MAGA today, Hitler made Germany great again. people will follow and fall for their charismatic leaders every time.
>>544925020>could've>should've>would'veAll worth a Jannie's pay.
>>544924766why do you inflate the numbers so much? Are you retarded, misnformed, or sinister?
>>544920862>Nazi-Soviet parade organizedThere was no parade. Soviet commanding officer made it clear. Huderian wanted something like this, but Soviet officer(jewish) told him to mind his own business, germans delegated the control to USSR and left in march which is looked like parade because this was ceremonial act. This myth was debunked for a long time already.
>>544925077If Trump had dictatorial powers the US would go the same rabbit hole as Germany and it would ultimately end up in some major WW3 of some sorts.
poland will be conquered by Russia & Germany AGAIN, like it or not, and there's nothing you can about it, zydopolacy!!!
>>544925077all that says to me is people have learned nothing and still have no self-awareness or will of their own to exercise. if people have learned nothing why even bother having any of the discussions at all? kekbut mask off for a moment the situation in america is different. this is not europe. there is some crazy ish going on here. this kind of thing would never have been allowed on Europe. They were far too civilized there for that. It's all cloak and daggers over there. Here it's automatic weapons in the streets. They have no class here. They have no subtlety. They have no finesse. It's the wild west.
>>544925200>If Trump had dictatorial powers the US would go the same rabbit hole as Germanywhat fucking planet did you guys come from? was the attack on Iran not proof enough for you?
>>5449251193,5 million people in prewar Poland were OFFICIALLY Jewish...look at how much influence AIPAC has today - do you think it was any different then?
>>544925293nothing new under the sun.
>>544925167lol
>>544918216>Could've prevented WW2 as wellWW2 could have been prevented only in once scenario - if soviet proposal of collective defence in Europe were accepted. USSR was commited to protect Czechoslovakia, but transit through Poland was blocked. Germs would have been stopped in Poland did not abstained from Germany invading Czechs and commited itself along with soviets to defend it and crush the germs while they still were relatively weak.
>>544925239lolboth rusniggers and especially germs are done for since 2022. utterly buckbrokennothing's stopping the Three Seas Initiative now
>>544925441Then we'd just have WW2 but started by Stalin
In short poles signed their own death warrant. As many times before it.
>>544925301Iran war isn't WW3 yet moron. It has global ramifications, but it's the same mistake as Bush who invaded Iraq - technically all within democratic norms.And the US is still a rule of law country, believe it or not, but the supreme court is blocking and reverting tones of shit Trump is doing - and he's honoring the verdicts.
>>544920389Friendly reminder that Poland didn't exist between 1795 and 1918.
>>544925334Around 8% of Poland was Jewish in 1939. And if you can't count and can't look for numbers - it's not my fault.
>>544925585And what it has to do with my statement?
>>544925513USSR wasnt interested in war, it so many internal projects planned, USSR was extremely underdeveloped country to think about war against all world riches concentrated in the colonial countries of the western Europe and USA. Just like China today.You just spit propaganda.
>>544925571read the room retard.
>>544925416>German Soviet officers sh(...).jpg>>544925480Moя чecть зoвётcя вepнocть/moja česť zoviötsia viernosť!!!Meine Ehre heißt Treue!!!Poopska/BOOLANDIA/Toilet-Cleanska is next!!!
>>544925702Internal projects like building up their military after the purge to move westwards, that is another reason Germany had to strike, Keitel was right, all observations as they move into Soviet Union proved it.>Forward deployment of soviet army>massed tank and aircraft formations>captured soviet maps on german and polish cities>basic fact that bolsheviks always want to expand their revolution
>>544925656ok and even if you want to follow oficial data those were 3,5 million Jews - that were Polish nationals that would be persecuted if we aligned with Hitler
>>544926056>Moя чecть зoвётcя вepнocть/moja česť zoviötsia viernosť!!!>Meine Ehre heißt Treue!!!>>544925656>Around 8% of Poland was Jewish in 1939100% actually
>>544925699Poland is a meme country and liberating it was an act of sophistry more than anything.
>>544926067Retard jeet. Stalin purged old revolutionaries exactly for this reason, he did not want to hear the voices tellin him to go make world revolution, he wanted to make USSR stable and strong.USSR realized the threat from nazis since very beginning which is why USSR cut all military cooperation it had with german army in 1933 right after Shitler rose to power. Since that point of time revitalization of army(what was weaker than polish army in 1930) became a priority. Shitler did not hide his ambitions in the east.>Forward deployment of soviet armyRetard. You prefer your own country being ruined by war or wage it on foreign land?
PooNEXTka/PizdoBliadoKurvoBobiorNIETka is non-negotiable
>>544926511>You prefer your own country being ruined by war or wage it on foreign land?So they were preparing to invade Germany? Fact is ideology doesn't matter, Germany was already stuck in a war with Britain, if they wait around for Stalin to build up is forces, they'd neither have the resources they need to fight the war and also fight a strong Soviet, it was rational to attack Soviets while they're weak and seize resources.>he wanted to make USSR stable and strongfor what? He just want to go on an offensive mid 40s
>>544927329>>544927329>>544927329new thread
>>544920245>wipe it off the mapsbased ukie rapefugee
>>544923419>hitler deliberately parceled off sections of Germany to various other countries following ww1>he also spent the 20s corrupting the Germans and devaluing the markthis site really has become overrun with shitskins, liars and kikes
>>544923923not surprising coming from your kike harbouring cesspit
>>544921580Will do, jeet saar!
>>544924150the site has been taken over by third worlders and diseased tranniesthis might as well be tumblr now.germany forever
>>544924705regardless of the flag, it's a shitskin on the other end of it. canada has been flooded with pakijeets and all sorts.following ww2 similar was done, the country was gutted by sniveling jews controlling the US. they destroyed every copy they could find of 30,000 book titles, 450 films and all the magazines/newspapers, trying to eradicate truth so they could replace it with lies.then they took over all the publishers and film studios and used them to produce an anti-German set of propaganda focused around humiliation and demoralisation, designed by the "frankfurt school", that had been nesting in new york for the decade previous, called up by the US gov as advisors.why did they choose a pack of deranged communist kikes?
>>544918216>>544918531Because Germans are spastic niggers that chimped out on most of Europe.No, being based towards the jewish question does not forgive them for:>Lying about not annexing rest of Bohemia>Lying about not invading Poland>Mass bombing and destroying towns before any of theirs was even hit>Occupying Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, all neutral>Starting the Blitz over a single bomb in Berlin>Expansionist war against all Slavs with the end goal being colonization and eradication of indigenous White culturesNiggers had it coming, they somehow managed to even make Poland and Russia work together, that's how brown mentally they were.
>>544924150Is that why you guys annexed all of Czechia instead of just the actual German populated parts?It was never about "muh german lands", you people lie as you breath 80 years later.
>>544931002They didn’t. Bohemia and Moravia were made into protectorates and treated as cheap Mexican labor basically >B-BUT MY HISTORY TEACHER DOESNT KNOW WHAT ANNEX MEANS
>>544930746>>544931002malding Poleshityour shithole claimed Danzig and then got its ass kickedat least then we still had the balls to do it
Didn't Germany want to take Poland's land? That's a very good reason they didn't see each other as allies.
>>544933359Also didn't Germany initially form an alliance with Russia because they didn't want a two front war?
>>544923758russians were forced to accept bolshevism through brutal enforcement like torture, humiliation, rape and slave labour in gulags
>>544918420>You don't team up with someone whom you fully conceive as being utterly inferiour.Ribbentrop Molotov PactThen Barbarossa back stabbing.Nigger tier behaviour.>Think yourself superior, get you shit pushed in. Twice!Hubris
>>544923128>the barking shithole fell in two weeksAfter you ganged up with the "inferiors" on them just like the niggers you are.>are we living in alternate realitieYou sure are!Failing to see ones self nigger tier behaviour.Many such cases!Do tell us anon do you even recognize yourself on the mirror?
>>544935095>claim Danzig>gets shit pushed in>spend decades under communism >completely irrelevant as a result with no meaningful economy
>>544930746When did Russia and Poland work together? Are you referring to compliance at gunpoint? Because that has nothing to do with sentiment about Germany.
>>544935330nah, the pic I showed was just Germany and Poland after two weeksyou dont know that, because everythign they tell you in your polack shithole is a lie
>>544923643>The Russian masses were just so dumb and illiterate they took the bait, while in other countries the leaders were literally lynched and executed by the people. Like in Germany or Hungary.Yep. It only caught on in countries with mostly rural population kept in serfdom slavery which in turn generated abject poverty and asssociated low iq and high criminality. And then the nobility made the huge mistake of using those people as primitive industrial factories labour.Jewish organized crime found a fertile fround there for their communism racket.
>>544923649>germany was the last hope for humanity.No wonder we were fucked.
>>544918216Because the poles were a bunch of dumb niggers who couldn't into realpolitik. They were emboldened by the bongs and frogs and encouraged to beat their chests and stand up to germany, because they thought the western powers would actually come to their rescue. They didnt realize they were just a sacrificial pawn of the jews, a justification to get the western powers into a war.Had they been thinking rationally, they would've realized that they were stuck between two looming superpowers who both had scores to settle and claims on their clay. Knowing this, the only option was to cave to one of those powers and form an alliance against the other. That means either entering Germany's sphere of influence against Russia, or Russia's sphere of influence against Germany. And of those options, siding with Germany was far more logical.
