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>Transformed the USSR from a predominantly agrarian economy into a major industrial power.

>Led the Soviet Union during its decisive contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany in WWII.

>Massively expanded literacy and universal education across the Soviet population.

>Developed enormous steel, coal, oil, and heavy manufacturing industries.

>Expanded electrification, power stations, railways, and major infrastructure projects.

>Built a formidable military-industrial complex capable of producing tanks, aircraft, and artillery on a massive scale.

>Expanded universities, engineering education, scientific research, and technical training.

>Oversaw rapid post-WWII reconstruction of devastated Soviet cities and industries.

>Developed the Soviet atomic bomb in 1949, ending America's nuclear monopoly.

>Established the USSR as one of the world's two dominant superpowers for the next 50 years

Say what you want about Stalin. But he was a competent and GREAT leader.
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>>544943946
I agree. Too bad he got into a war with Germany. Imagine if they could have just been friends instead.
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Nigga built 18000 tanks before WW2, most of which were absolutely useless and had to be bailed out by lend lease. Top retard
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Sorry we like real heroic communist niggas around here
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>>544944016
Why didnt hitler just redpill stalin in jews? Was he retarded or something, or is hitler an example as to what happens if youre to ideological and not pragmatic enough?
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>>544943946
>*murdered tens of millions of Christian Europeans*
Yeah, nah. Retarded.
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>>544943946
>killed millions of slavs and commies.
I agree, he was great
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>>544944091
The Soviet Union learned from its catastrophic tank losses in 1941 and went on to produce some of the most effective tanks of World War II.

Early mistakes don't make Stalin a retard
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>>544944164
Stalin was redpilled on Jews already. Stalin was actively purging Jews and kept it up til he died. The Jews requested southern Ukraine as a Jewish homeland in the USSR, and Stalin gave them a cold, desolate wasteland on the border with China.
Truth is, Hitler was a manchurian candidate for the German industrial and military establishment. He talked the talk about socialism, but was primarily a petty national chauvinist who put the interests of domestic business and military oligarchs over that of Europe.
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>>544943946
The White Russians were the good guys. Stalin was a bandit and a train robber. Communism is an ideological weapon that gets affixed onto your country by Germans to retard it and destroy it. French Revolution was the same play.
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Of course that's your contention. You're a first year grad student. You just got finished readin' some Marxist historian -- E.P. Thompson probably. You're gonna be convinced of that 'til next month when you get to Chris Wickham, and then you're gonna be talkin' about how the economies of the Kievan Rus and Poland were state-directed and collectivist way back in 870. That's gonna last until next year -- you're gonna be in here regurgitating Walter Rodney, talkin' about, you know, the Pre-imperial utopia and the capital-deforming effects of rent-seeking.
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>>544944091
So what do you propose he do? Just not manufacture tanks?
That was a unique period in history where technology was advancing so rapidly that machines would become obsolete within months. Nobody could foresee when or if a war would start. So you can't just sit on your hands and start building military equipment at the right time like its hearts of Iron. By comparison if Stalin had been building up in the 1970s then his tanks would still be useful today, 50 years later.
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>>544944480
>>544944266
>>544944204
>Muh feelings
Still can't deny that Stalin was a GREAT leader who took Russians out of feudalism
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>>544944629
>Just not manufacture tanks?
Yes. Manufacture more shell casings, small arms, cannons, fortifications, trucks etc instead or conserve resources for more advanced models
>That was a unique period in history where technology was advancing so rapidly that machines would become obsolete within months.
Agreed. That's why literally nobody else did it because they weren't retarded.
>Nobody could foresee when or if a war would start.
A lot of people did, some Stalin executed as a traitors.
>So you can't just sit on your hands and start building military equipment at the right time like its hearts of Iron.
You can and that's literally what a successful military buildup looks like. It's better to stockpile materials than outdated weapons which can't be repurposed. Nazis did this, Allies did this, Stalin didn't.
>By comparison if Stalin had been building up in the 1970s then his tanks would still be useful today, 50 years later.
There's useful and then there's cost effective. Stalin's military policies were incredibly wasteful.
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>>544943946
>Only invests in heavy industry, consumer goods and agriculture in a total shitshow
>His Molotov-Ribbentrop diplomatic scheme blows up in his face, Germany invades with its bulk force
>Germany fucks him up. By 43’ they’ve been stalled but Soviet forces bleed like crazy
>Lend Lease triggers, giving the logistics needed for Bagration to drive Germany out all the way to Berlin. Yet USSR is demographically obliterated, the potential of Eastern Europe neutered with it.
>Standards of living are so shit by the time he dies, that Khrushchev is praised for giving bare minimum commieblocs
He’d be a good leader if his shitty union lasted at least 50 years after he died, otherwise he was a mediocre tyrant that squeezed through a crisis partly of his own making.
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>>544944596
You don't have to be a Marxist to admit Stalin was a pretty competent leader
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>>544943946
amen, brother
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>>544944430
True but family first guys
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>>544944596
I am also an apple enjoyer like yourself.
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>>544943946
stalin was awesome
all third world countries should become communists so we can advance to the second world and improve
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>>544943946
>from a predominantly agrarian economy into a major industrial power.
thats bullshit ofc
stalin stole all of germany's technology and was lucky the allies proped up his economy, otherwise slavs would have been erased from history today
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>>544945237
Trotsky did nothing wrong.
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>>544946491
>stole all of germany's technology
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>>544945116

> Pretty competent

Just competent enough. He knew when to cede control to his generals, to the Belarusians, etc.
In terms of network building, politics, etc, yes, Stalin was an adept.

Too loud, Trotsky. Too loud.
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>>544943946
He was a great American and British ally
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>>544947097
The only country to steal Germany’s human capital was the United States xD. It was a poor ass shithole after the Great Depression
>>544945076
Nobody cares about consumer goods in the long march of history. It’s irrelevant and Stalin was right to invest only in heavy industry.
>Molotov Ribbentrop pact was a failure
It wasn’t. In fact it gave Stalin much needed time to reorganise his forces after eliminating traitorous elements in the army
>lend lease
The overwhelming majority of all vehicles, weapons, and ammunition used by the Soviets in the war was produced domestically. The US and Britain only sent a few trucks and trains.
>nonsense
Stalin turned a poor agriculture hellhole into a nuclear superpower.
>>544944937
He literally did produce all of that
>Agreed. That's why literally nobody else did it because they weren't retarded.
What are you even talking about? Some of those advancements were happening in the Soviet Union itself
> You can and that's literally what a successful military buildup looks like. It's better to stockpile materials than outdated weapons which can't be repurposed.
>Nazis did this, Allies did this, Stalin didn't.
Absolutely incorrect. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/military-effectiveness/soviet-armed-forces-in-the-interwar-period/464E6C73FD16A0B8E8BB8E053E2E16E8
> There's useful and then there's cost effective. Stalin's military policies were incredibly wasteful.
No they werent. I’m assuming you don’t understand Soviet/russian military doctrine and just think its “mass assault from heckin hoi4” or that historically inaccurate bullshit from Enemy at the Gates
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>>544944430
Stalin killed way more whites on the gulags than Hitler. It doesn't help that the Bolshevik that founded USSR were jews
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>>544947097
red trannies did in fact steal German technology and even had to rely on the Eastern germans for help. The Soýjew Jewnion couldn't operate without them.
>>544943946
The JEWSSR is why the world is shit right now. Russia destroyed Europe
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>>544944430

> X Guy put the interests of Y over Europe.

No, orthodoxy tells us that World War 1 and World War 2 were power struggles for Europe. Relative to Bangladesh, Nigeria, El Salvador, whatever, any European bloc ruled by any European leader is still wonderful and European. It goes without saying: Europe led by Great Britain and America was probably the worst possible outcome that was a possible outcome. Churchill was sufficiently racist, that is true. However, he and Truman were compromised.
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>>544943946
KEYED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs
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>>544947565
Lmao shut the fuck up retard. Jews were chilling in swimming pools while Hitler sent 6 million able bodied German men of good character to die in the wastes of Russia. Not to mention the giant fucking chimp out (invasion of Poland) that started this whole mess, which was centered around exterminating the Polish people.

Stalin was simple protecting his great civilization from the scourge of (((Nazism))) and did it spectacularly.
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>>544943946
>Stalin was GREAT
>>killed 50M-120M gommiunist scumbags
eh, yeah, kinda.
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>>544947838
You may have a 117 IQ, but you are still a nigger, so please be more mindful.
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>>544947529
>Nobody Cares about consumer goods
People will only live in shit for so long before it makes the government buckle. It ultimately brought down the union
>M-R gave Stalin time
Yea all the time was obliterated with the sheer losses from Barbarossa.
>Lend Lease
Trucks, trains, spare parts, and food allowed the Soviets to focus their industrial production on more direct war making material. Without them, Bagration would have not been possible and Soviet offensives after 43’ would get bricked up.
>Stalin turned
USSR aborted Russia’s long term development, now they are a shadow of the potential people said they would be.
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>>544948006
>People will only live in shit for so long before it makes the government buckle. It ultimately brought down the union
For the overwhelming majority of human history consumer goods didn’t even exist. Only after the victory of Liberalism in 1991 did it become something “important”. But I digress
>Yea all the time was obliterated with the sheer losses from Barbarossa.
Overblown. The Germans had lost much more valuable materiel to attrition and the superiority of Soviet equipment (Germans had to use Anti air guns to knock out Soviet tanks, for example). The honeymoon period lasted for a few months until the Soviets started going on the offensive, and Germany never really recovered.
> Trucks, trains, spare parts, and food allowed the Soviets to focus their industrial production on more direct war making material. Without them, Bagration would have not been possible
The Soviets had the industrial capacity to produce all the supplies and weaponry it needed. In fact, it produced over 300,000 trucks, 3,000 trains, and harvested
211.3 million tonnes of grain throughout the course of the war. It could’ve easily won the war without LL
>USSR aborted Russia’s long term development
Not at all. It was the pinnacle, the apotheosis of Russian history. The Soviet Union only collapsed because it chose to, and shot itself in the foot with glasnost and perestroika.
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>>544947565
The 6 trillion deaths in the gulags are as fake as the holocaust. Hitler is responsible for invading the USSR, and most importantly failing to do so, then failing to seek peace once it was clear that he had failed. German defeat was obviously inevitable even to the people leading Germany by 1943. Hitler held out for another 2 years, with each following year more bloody and devastating than the last. He did it for no reason other than personal unwillingness to lose the rank of Fuhrer, and self-delusion where he thought he was some kind of God who could reverse defeat through his own brilliance.
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>>544943946
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>>544943946
fuck off piker



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