>>544985979
*an Indigenous northwest

>>544985979
I didn't read your post but regarding that map, it's majority portuguese in almost all the country. Mestizo and mulatto are not ancestries and if this means <60% portuguese they are severely overestimated

I'm a Brazilian immigrant, and it is so fucking embarrassing having to utter the words "I'm Brazilian". An entire continent sized country of mutt goblinos, infinitely worse than the US.
Overall, I'd like to split into 3 new countries, so the few White people can be separated from pardo favela goblins, but our whiteness will be questioned by the first world just like it is of Argentines anyway.

>>544985979
I'm sorry israel lost the Brazilian election, have some manishchevitz to feel better instead of posting on 4chan

Eugenics

>>544985979
Now reading your post, Brazil already is a mixed race ethnostate. This division between whites and browns is a recent psyop. Until recently we all understood that we are mixed race people of Portuguese-native-african origin. Now people thinking they are something else just because they are mixes with slightly different skin tones, it's ridiculous. Just reinforcing, your map is completely wrong and almost all of the country is mostly Portuguese with African and Native elements

>>544986148
>>544986335
Not all "mixed" is made the same.

>>544986730
The difference in racial identification in my country is basically based on having your skin tone lighter than cardboard or not. This is not a real ethnic distinction. It's like trying to say there are different irishmen because some are blond, some are redhead, some are brunette, even though they have the same ancestral background. Brazilians most often are just different shades of luso-east south american-west african, the only exception are some enclaves in the far south

>>544986958
So where are the White areas in the country?

>>544987243
Depends on what you mean by white. Do you mean having a Fitzpatrick type 1 or 2 skin? These people are very prevalent all across the country, being the majority in the southern half and parts of the northeastern corner. Are they a different ethnicity just because they have light skin color? Obviously not, that would be ridiculous. I'm on this demographic but I'm well aware that I'm not european because of my Native and African roots. I just happen to have white skin. Brazilians used to understand this until the 2000s, now many of our white Brazilians became cringelords like Argentineans who confuse skin color with being European.

If you mean white as pure European background only some small enclaves in the three southernmost states and the state Espírito Santo, because they received intense waves of Italian and German immigration in rural colonies.

>>544986958
The point is, you have two options. You may be all mixed, butt you are not all equally mixed.

You can remain like this forever, you can homogenize untill you become equally mixed and become essentially a unique race of it's own, similar to Bangladeshis or Madagascarians. Or you could split into ~3 regions, and homogenise within those 3 poles so you end up as 3 distinct races, all mixed to a significant extend but at least you would preserve a broadly Indigenous, a broadly African and a broadly European population.

>>544987509
White as in European ancestry yes. The focus on skin colour in race talk is retarded. The Euro ancestry is what matters.

I find it fascinating how similar Brazil and South Africa are.

>>544986958
if you think a slave decendant that was brought to brazil as farm machinery and an italian industrialist that went there like a free man with capital to establish an industry is the same you are delusional

>>544987709
I'd argue that we already are a unique race right now. The Malagasy peoples of Madagascar or Bangladeshis are not homogeneous as you imply. If you study archeogenetics you will see that genetically homogeneous people are quite rare. Yes, Brazilians have different ancestral proportions but that's a feature in many racial categories or ethnicities in the world. Portugal used to be a pretty uniform ethnostate but are we really going to pretend the ethnic Portuguese from Minho and the ones from the Algarve have the same exact ancestry? The are united in having the same broad genetic composition, shared language and shared history. That's precisely the case with Brazilians too

>you would preserve a broadly Indigenous, a broadly African
This is not possible. The only broadly indigenous areas are reservations and the broadly African areas are some cities like Salvador or neighborhoods of Rio. All the country has a majority European ancestry, even the state of Bahia. I know this is hard to believe because we take the blackest segments of our society as our international representatives in soccer and carnaval, but it's the actual truth. You can look up genetic studies. Notice that this does not mean that Brazil is white, we are are mestiço with a Portuguese predominance

>>544985979
>Finish the homogenization and become a single race?
This is historically what happens in places where a bunch of different people end up in one country.

>>544987906
Brazil is like South Africa if European settlers outnumbered the others but decided to mix
>>544987976
These people are less than 1% of the population. In reality, the "Italian" Brazilian today has a lot of luso-afro-indigenous ancestry as it is the case with the "black" Brazilian. The average black Brazilian is less than 50% subsaharan african.

>>544987906
The non-meme version of "determining who is racially European" basically comes down to whether you set the cutoff at 85%, 90%, or 95%. Below 85% is a meme and is where you get into the territory of mestizos talking about how they're "spiritually white"; 100% would in practice exclude the vast majority of Europeans who mostly have at least some tiny fraction of non-European ancestry and is only advocated by people who either don't know what they're talking about or are deliberately playing dumb to try and "deconstruct the notion of racial purity"

>>544988432
95% has always seemed fair to me. It leaves some wiggle room but still sets high standards that all Europeans should pass. White South Africans have a tiny bit of nigger in them from what I’ve seen but I think most would still consider them white. 95% is also good since it excludes 99% of spics, especially those delusional “castizo” faggots that shit up /pol/.

>>544988432
Yes, i do tend to agree that the pure 100% shit is very impractical. Even Euro populations that are viewed as being pure like Scandinavians have non immigrants that will be genetically absorbed into the population overtime thus making the one drop rule impossible to actually put into practice in the real world.

I think if they have overwhelmingly European ancestry, fully pass, as in if you placed them in any White nation amongst Whites you would never know, then they're White.

>>544988625
I in general agree, but then you get situations where it's like someone with blonde hair and blue eyes who's like 92% European because they had one great great grandparent from Turkey or whatever and it's like alright at some point it becomes sillier to call this person "non-white"

>>544988625
The White South Africans with minor non in them, usually local Khoi tribal or Malaysian ancestry are the Afrikaners.

The English speaking Whites not so.

>>544988432
>>544988625
95% is 1 black grand parent....

>>544988432
>>544989089
I have two definitions of white. Either just having a white skin or being over 90% european. White Brazilians meet the former but most don't meet the latter, this is why I say it's stupid to pretend we are a different ethnicity compared to Pardo Brazilians. This is just a divide and conquer psyop. I concede that truly white Brazilians and black Brazilians (the ones who have over 50% african ancestry) may be considered different communities under our mixed umbrella, but they are absolute minorities here. So this racial division narrative in my country is total hogwash

>>544989355
>meet "white brazilian"
>hes CLEARLY black

Theres almost no white people in Brazil

>>544989331
No, that would be 75%. One black great grandparent would still be 87.5%

>>544989467
That's the other side of the coin of absurd statements. White Brazilians are whiter than the average white hispanic. Most of us are not really white but we are not black either, we are our thing.

>>544989225
I’m sure there'd be some nuance to it. While I don’t consider Turks white they are still Caucasian, so a blonde with a Turk ancestor could still skirt by at 92%. 8% nigger or Amerindian though and I don’t think it would be a great idea. Honestly, in the US, standards like these would be mostly set to exclude spics. I’m sick of all the pale mestizos thinking that they’re European. It’s absurd. Even “white” countries like Chile usually cap out at around 50-60% European from studies I’ve seen. It’s absurd.
>>544989232
I’m sure there are white south Africans that are 100% Euro. Even the mixed ones would skirt by at a 95% cutoff. It would be a non issue, really.

>yet another "are white brazilians white?" thread
There is a simple way to figure this out: excluding minorities of very recent european migrants and people from remote european colony towns in the south, most brazilians who will unconditionally claim white look kinda like Kaká (soccer player). The answer to the question "are white brazilians actually white?" lies in whether you consider him white or not.
Anyone darker than Kaká will immediately give up the white label when pressed on their ancestry and identity.

Also white is a social construct (with significant overlap with tangible reality, but it still has completely arbitrary borders) and even pure blooded whites from Latin America only ever receive that label conditionally. That is because "white" is an ethno-cultural label, as opposed to a purely ethnic label.

>>544990469
I go more by genetics than phenotype, so for me the question really depends on whether they can pass a DNA test or not. I’ve seen some very pale mestizos from places like Colombia that are often still like 40% Amerindian and negroid. A white Brazilian that gets 95% minimum on a DNA test is white to me. I assume Brazilians with recent European immigrant ancestors could pass this criteria. Those that have been in the country longer probably won’t, and that’s fine, they’re mixed race. They should be among other mixed race people and should make their own standards and classifications. Just because they’re mixed race does not mean that I expect them to race mix with or accept pure blood niggers or Injuns, that would be silly.

>>544988153
>are we really going to pretend the ethnic Portuguese from Minho and the ones from the Algarve have the same exact ancestry?
yes and unironically

>>544985979
It's a federation. There is no need to seceed, we just need to obey the fucking structure of the country and its laws. Yet the niggers at the top can't even seem to do that.

>>544986958
lol mixed isn't a homogenous group
60% euro/25 native/15 black is very different from 80 euro/19 native/1 black, even though they share the same ancestral populations
>>544988153
>If you study archeogenetics you will see that genetically homogeneous people are quite rare.
all euros are descended from 3 ancestral populations, but modern euros are extremely homogenous
brazilians are descended from 3 *extremely* dissimilar ancestral populations so modern brazilians can be totally different races depending on admixture
>>544988432
there's no one percentage because some ancestries are closer/further from europeans
80% euro/20 semitic will cluster close to euros, while 80% euro/20 african will cluster far from euros

>>544985979
I've wanted to visit Brasil for a long time now, where should I NOT go?

>>544985979
I did a fair bit of work with Brazilians. There were two different Brazilian parties I was working with on the same project. I had something that both of them wanted and I was trying to get all of us to work together in a mutually beneficial way.
One Brazilian party was your southern Brazilian European crew, the other was the black Brazilian crew. The Euro crew would do things for free while the black crew would constantly demand free stuff from both myself and the European Brazilians. It got to a point where the boss of the black crew thought the entire project hinged upon him alone and demanded more and more free stuff. Eventually the project collapsed and it was to the detriment of all parties.

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>>544995257
You just summarized Brapzil.

>>544985979
Brazil made Embraer, only white people can make modern aircraft, so they still exist there, I love working on ATRs!

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>>544985979
Retarded map. We are mostly Portuguese in every single region except the very far north. Yes, they are brown. Yes they are still Portuguese. That's your fault.

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>>544994624
>60% euro/25 native/15 black
>80 euro/19 native/1 black,
You are cherrypicking the darkest third of pardos and the mythical unblacked hispanic-like castizo to force your point

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>>544985979
Interesting take.

That map is absolute near random shit, but I am still curious about its source.

First question: Hos is the mulato and mestizo categories not majority Portuguese?

Brazil is not meant to be divided into ethno states. It's a state created by Europeans (Portuguese) into a continental sized territory with a few Indians and which recieved a sizeable importation of African slaves.
The problem is the muttification.
The mutification happened in different gradients with different components in different places but wherever it happened the Portuguese / European element tends to be the majority.
Then there is a minority of people with mostly (or almost fully) African or Amerindian ancestry.

And then there is a third to half of a country which is unironically almost fully European, especially in the South and Southeast.

Brazil was supposed to be a Portuguese "ethno-state" with a few mutts here and there. Or a lot of mutts in some regions.
The problem is the equality and their post independence poisonous ideology.

It appears they have chosen to max out on the muttification, with the expected catastrofic consequences.

>>544995423
I even hired one of the black guy's family members so she was directly benefitting from the project. But his ego was so big that he insisted that he should call all the shots, but he was bringing zero capital to the game while I was providing 100% of the capital. I was pretty disappointed to see it go that way cos we did do some pretty cool things at the beginning.

>>544985979
Shalom.

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>>544995680
I remember a study showing that the big change in the 2000s was mostly based on changes in self identification than changes in genetics. Brazil was never meant to be a Portuguese ethnostate. In the colonial period loads of Portuguese people came here but they were quick to intermix with non Europeans. It took a lot of time until Portugal decided to even bring women from the old continent. Our identity from the very beginning was based on miscegenation, or Caramuru wouldn't be our national epic. Caramuru was written in the colonial period in 1781

>>544987906
VPN kike.

>>544985979
option 4 nuke them and start over.

>>544987243
He's going to cope with his society being a favela shithole by claiming racism is bad and not real. This is why the only option for whites is total apartheid, terraform mars and quarantine the shitskins on earth. Remove our technology and watch them starve.

>>544986335
>Brazil already is a mixed race ethnostate. This division between whites and browns is a recent psyop. Until recently we all understood that we are mixed race people of Portuguese-native-african origin.

Lol
In your favela, maybe.
The idealisation of Brazil as a mutt country started in the 1960s with the North American Civil Rights Negro movement.

I am not saying that mutts in Brazil never existed, they were even the majority for most of its History they were just never really considered as actual Brazilians.
Unironically that shit only started to fly with Lula this century.

Brazilians were always the Europeans that settled the country - in the South and Southeast and in the cities in the Northeast and then the Centre West - all the rest were just seen as "their bastards".
Sure they were the majority in lots of places, but it was basically the country side and favelas and they had next to no power and everybody understood that was the natural way things were.
Niggers in particular were always looked down by mulattos and other mutts for their non-Brazilian-ness. The negro was a Brazilian was something that started to be romanticised in the 1960s and only really started to fly with Lula in this century.
Up to around 2005 or so niggers were expelled and kicked from everywhere in polite society - from being not allowed to enter fucking malls (even in São Salvador da Bahía) to every middle class paying job having the notorious "good appearance" requisition.
Which in case you're asking meant no mutts unless they can pass as white ish and behave, but definitely no niggers.

To end: Up till the 1960s Brazil was so fucking bad on its hierarchical organisation in social / racial way that the average Portuguese who was Brazilian knew he was no shit. And the European immigrants (Portuguese recent arrivals too) were even lower in the ranking than these Portuguese-Brazilians.
Brazil was for the Aristocracy and then for the the big land owners. All mostly Portug

>>544986958
>The difference in racial identification in my country is basically based on having your skin tone lighter than cardboard or not. This is not a real ethnic distinction. It's like trying to say there are different irishmen because some are blond, some are redhead, some are brunette,

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
But it has a kernel of truth: Among the non white Brazilian low classes (a third to two thirds of the country at different times these last two centuries)... well they know nothing about race.
They just know the people around their village look the same and there are some that are "worse" and look darker and uglier and some that are "better" and look ligher and more beautiful or something.
They also know that they are all from the same mutt ancestry.
And then they project whatever local mutt ancestry they have to the rest of the country.
It's beyond retarded.
To this it helps that 75% of the country ranges in complexity very slightly from a light mestizo to a darker Southern European.

>>544996065
Shalom Alacheim.

>>544996089
>they were even the majority for most of its History
Lmao look at this kike come up with retard bullshit.

>>544988153
>are we really going to pretend the ethnic Portuguese from Minho and the ones from the Algarve have the same exact ancestry?

Lol
Lmao
Anon, A guy from Minho and a guy from Murcia have the same 0% Amerindian and 0% Subsaharan.
Your dream that the Algarve niggers are very mixed with North Africa and the Minho niggers are very mixed with Finland... even if true would still be homogeneous in comparison to people of the SAME FUCKING FAMILY in Brazil.

>>544988301
>In reality, the "Italian" Brazilian today has a lot of luso-afro-indigenous ancestry as it is the case with the "black" Brazilian.

Then he's not Italian.
You're just saying that Italians do not exist in Brazil which is retarded.
Not only have we the numbers of their immigration to the country by the millions, rivalling the Portuguese immigrants...
We also have the knowledge that the Italian immigration was rather concentrated in some regions.

You absolute nigger...
What % of the State of São Paulo is pure Italian? 10%? 20%?

If 20% of São Paulo State than it would 4% of all of Brazil in just one state.

About 50 years ago or a little more São Paulo STATE was unironically 90% white. And half of that was the recently arrived Italians.
The mutts in Brazil that we see today didn't appear from nowhere... they came from the Northeast for the most part.
And now São Paulo state is half white. As in... "white"... officially.

You dumb fucking nigger, you know nothing about your own country.

>>544988432
Oh shit... how interesting...

It's not like that. You can't simply take a test and classify people.
Anon, we must have communities. And communities are, let's say, people who descend from the same ancestors and will have descendents from the same pool, etc.

So, we have different communities of whites and they all deserved to be protected.
Sure that might be some mixing among whites, but the focus must always be in the actual communities.
Otherwise we end up with Amerimutts with no identity, unironically.

And then we have the near whites. Even in Europe: Say, Armenians, Turks, Lebanese, Tatars, whatever ... even Sicilians and Maltese if you want...

These people on the margins may or not be white but if they have a community they have a pattern of ancestry that is identifiable and we can relate to them according to their proximity with us.

If the "white core" is healthy, numerous and growing... the natural thing is that some will go out and "bleech" the less white groups... re-enforcing the white community.
If the white core is unhealty, dwindling, etc... the natural thing is that non white influences will polute them.

It's natural biology.
So we just need the core to be strong and for natural expansion to continue, which is the exact opposite of what we have now.

Regarding lab tests, I personally like the 90% white mark. Because the % of people above 90% white who, say, are less than 98% white are extremely low.
And I like round numbers. And I suppose a 90% white person is hard to not look white (or act white, etc.).

But the real deal is ancestry:
75% white - one non white grandparent;
87,5% white - one non white great grandparent.
We absolutely cannot put the standard below this.

But having a Turkish great grand parent is not the same as having a nigger or aboriginal one, so...

>>544995671
picrel literally shows that brazil is a gradient from 100% euro to 90% black or native
between those extremes you've got a gradient spanning most of the genetic variation in the human species
ie not a homogenous race

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>>544996089
I read the first paragraph of your post, just read this >>544995938. What you said is very ignorant about the history of Brazil

Da solucion is Brasiliero must concentrate its most talentedistas and exterminate/quarantine into slave-soldier camps its negros, sex-haveros, and indioindihenistos.
Only den can brazeel succeed

>>544997335
The chart shows that the vast majority of people have between 90% and 70% of European ancestry with the rest being comparable shares of indigenous and african. So they are just small variations of the same ancestral background. You picked two extreme examples, one of them virtually non existent in Brazil (hispanic style castizos with negligible black admixture and a lot of native ancestry)

>>544995938
It's two different things.
Supposedly there was a big change with mutts and niggers starting to identify as such instead of as whites or mutts.

But what has really been happening is a resurgence of the mutt population everywhere in Brazil (the whites are older, the mutts are younger - Brazil used to be much whiter because the child mortality rate of the mutts and niggers used to be much much higher) couppled with a huge invasion of the Southeast and now the South too by mutts from all over, mostly the Northeast.

>>544995938
>Brazil was never meant to be a Portuguese ethnostate

Dude, I'm not going to unload my lenghty rants but I find this to be an extremely interesting topic.
Brazil was settled by the Portuguese on the following model: We divided the country into strips of land which were under a noble man - the strip was his fief.
This nobleman however was too important and in 80% of the cases they didn't even go to Brazil.
They send minor nobles to develop farms. This minor nobles were the first Brazilians.
Then came the Portuguese settlers. The farms became villages and eventually cities.
From the get go the Inquisiton Laws were applied and enforced all the way to the XIX century as well as Cleaness of Blood Laws.
That meant that mutts could not live in the cities. And mutts could not be considered Portuguese or "citizens".

However... we didn't have enough white women so the rule was for every Portuguese to impregnate as many native women as many times as he could.

Anyway, the mutts were not allowed to live in the cities or to be Portuguese / citizens.
And any Portuguese settlement that was of means imported a white woman and had children with them (say 20 to 33% of the Portuguese who reproduced - not that he didn't have mutt children on the side).

Now repeat...

>>544997704
a 20% swing in ancestry, with the other admixture coming from 2 extremely dissimilar continental ancestries (+ high irregularity in the portion of black/native ancestry), means that brazilians are extremely heterogeneous
and thats excluding the total data, which shows a 90% swing in ancestry

>>544997813
>Cleaness of Blood Laws.
>That meant that mutts could not live in the cities. And mutts could not be considered Portuguese or "citizens".
This did not happen in Brazil. I don't know where you got this information

>>544997813
Eventually there was the Brazilian (white) community. Salvador da Bahia was an all white town (officially, meaning by law, maning niggers were not allowed to live there on their own or own houses, neither were mutts) all the way to the late XIX century.

But there was also a larger community (in most populated places, probably not on the big cities with + 10 thousand people, but these were just five or something) surrounding the city or village that consisted of whiter and whiter mutts, as the whites would fuck the whiter mutts more easily.
This is the "whitening" or "enbranquecimento" you like to throw out as much, even before the immigration wave of the XVIII and XIX centuries...

This is the root of the "two communities" of the Portuguese Brazilians with pedigree and property and the "children of the land" which were close to the Brazilians but were generally poor and dependent.

This was the model that spread.
Until the XVIII century when on top of that we had a huge wave of immigrants which only stopped with WWII or shortly thereafter.

Brazil is the most sucessfull History of European Colonisation.
Never so few colonised so much by fucking so many. While keeping their identity and ethnicity.

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>>544995938
You're fucking retarded.
The first settlers of the first Brazilian town - São Vicente I think - brought white women.

You understand that Luanda and Benguela in Angola had already been colonised, with white women too, and they were all white Portuguese cities until the XX century or the late XIX century at the most (during the pacification wars)?

Also, we had done the same in Morocco and Goa...
Brazil really was not our first attempt at this.

Not to mention that we were colonising the country of Portugal (and even Galiza) since the IX century with "repovoações" (re-peopling).

Oh! And Caramuru was the romantisation of a Portuguese guy who was in Brazil before the official discovery of Brazil and who became a chief of the Indians, right?
Hardly a picture of miscenation at scale.
You dumb lefty brained anon...

>>544997493
>Casa Grande e Senzala
>Gilberto Freyre

The fuck anon, it's 2026?
Please explain why you're recommending that jerk off session shit...

>>544997953
This 20% swing is not that extreme. That's less than Turks or Han chinese. The proportions of African and Native ancestries in the group that I'm talking about tend to be roughly similar as I said. This is because the entire country operated under the same model of colonization, we didn't have free and slave states like the US. Yes, our ingredients are from extremely dissimilar races so what? So are the Malagasy of Madagascar with Africans and Asians being their forefathers. Nobody denies that they are an ethnicity just because of that. What about South Asians with their wild mixes as well?
>which shows a 90% swing in ancestry
If you want to start nitpicking edge cases, but I'm talking about most Brazilians not Pelé and Gisele Bundchen

>>544997704
Lol
Those graphics are a photograph of the genomes of 100 or 200 people (rarely 1.000 or so, but that's it).
It's not representative.

Anon, vast swaths of your lower class (the dominant mutts) have zero to negligible African ancestry. The same can be said in some areas about low class mutts with zero or negligible Amerindian ancestry.

Especially in the Southeast (São Paulo and Rio States, less so in Minas) we can find one place where the low class is almost all Caboclos and in other place where the low class is almost all mulattos, and these places are not far appart.
People have historically integrated and defended their genes.
Only in Minas and some areas of the Northeast do we have those tri racial mutts from hell everywhere in an almost homogeneious gradient...

>>544996769
I was glancing at some of your posts, as I said I only read until the first paragraph of that one because it was too fucking ignorant, but now speedreading some of what you wrote here about italians I realized you are some Brazilian diaspoo heritage larper so it all makes sense

>>544997985
You should really study more your History.
What have you read about the Portuguese settlement of Brazil?
Just read about your largest cities... it's available everywhere.

Your cleanliness of blood laws, and the Inquisition, ended in the early XIX century after you became independent.
And that is when Brazil died.

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>>544985979
Separate the South and turn the rest into into a nature reserve.

>>544998297
What the anon is trying to say, it appears to me, is that the Brazilian admixture is not natural and very recent.
In fact it is happening as we speak because Brazilians are a meme idea, they're just a bunch of random people from different places mixed at a diiferent rate with different components or not mixed at all and thrown into that hell hole and given a name.

The Malgasy and the South Asians are natural populations.
There was a mixture, some ethnicities formed, and they are are descendents of that mixture from centuries ago.
Traditionally all the Indians from x place and caste 1, 2 or 3, were all pretty much the same genetically.

In Brazil only the whites at the top and the niggers at the bottom or the isolated natives who survived (less than 1%? lol) maintained their genetic integrity.

What the Canadian anon seems to ignore is that the actual whites are and have been a massive proportion of the Brazilian population (33 to 66%) for the last 500 years.

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>>544998552
Provide me evidence that mixed race people could not live in cities because that would exclude our own colonial governors

>>544998521
I am not Brazilian heritage larper.
I am Portuguese.
I am however a descendent of nobleman from the XIX century that was ennobled (further) in Bahia in the early XIX century.

I have found the Portuguese History in Brazil a very interesting topic ever since.

For instance, most Brazilians think Salvador was a city of slaves.
It wasn't.
It was the most important Portuguese city in Brazil until the late XVIII century.
It was a walled city.
Only whites could live there and own houses there.
(Of course a white slave owner could have slaves in his house, but only a few. It was very well regulated especially in the aftermath of some slave rebelion or some mass eviction of slaves).
Niggers and mutts could not own real estate in Salvador.
And it was truly a very heavily populated city, from there parties left and populated many other places in Bahia and the Notheast.
The elites of that city sort of ruled Brazil until the Gold / Minerals were discovered in Minas.

Ask me anything if you want

>>544998886
I know about that myth of Bandeirantes beind descendents of Caramuru and what not, but that was a fucking tiny %... And it was severely frowned upon.

I don't know what you're referring as "colonial governors".
The Vice Roys of Brazil were all from the highest houses of Nobility in Portugal.

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>>544998765
500 years of Brazilians mixing is recent and unnatural but the same time for Malagasy mixing is normal and natural?

>>544999108
I'm talking about captancy governors, sesmeiros and even some Brazilian governor generals too, not all of them were born in Portugal

>>544986156
I used to despise you but then indi*ns got internet access

>>544987243
Arguably south
Rich coming from you

>>544987509
How do type 1 skins survive even the souf of brasiu?

>>544999128
Brazilians today are not descendent from a mixture that occured 500 years ago.

The Brazilian admixture started at that time, but those mutts were overwhelmed by more recent waves.
Don't you understand that?
At different times. At different places. With dramatically different populations.
Brazil doesn't actually exist as a congruent genetic entity - it's a fucking meme!
And if there was to be a genetic trace of "Brazilian-ness" it would be Portuguese fucking niggresses and amerindians.
But then again: Different people, different proportions, at different times.

And the most ridiculous (and detrimental) of all is that it continues (needlessly).

Don't you understand? In Brazil EACH community in EACH city or village has its own DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT HISTORY.

>>544999268
You just watch out for weird moles and lesions in your skin. Nobody dies of skin cancer if it's caught early. Also you are supposed to wear sunscreen but I'm not gonna lie to you and pretend that I do it

>>544999343
My skin is type 2 though, not 1

>>544999211
Sesmeiros I don't know what they are... seems like a division of a captiaincy? If so I know nothing about who ruled what.

The Captaincy Governors were all Portuguese noblemen from Portugal, as far as I know. But then again I think it was ended in the XVIII century so, it regards only the inittial and most crucial period, why wouldn't they not be Portuguese?

Governors Generals... Vice Roys? As far as I know they were all from the highest Portuguese nobility.

Why do you say not all of them were born in Portugal?
Do you think Brazil before D. Pedro saw itself as anything other than Portuguese?

What the fuck anon...

Can someone explain to me what's up with Brazil's politics?
Why do people hate Bolsonaro/Lula so much?

>>544999268
There are mountainous regions of Brazil that have an unironically Oceanic gentle climate filled with clouds, but yeah, they're few.
The areas where most Brazilians live are not tropical (South, São Paulo, areas of Rio and Minas Gerais State).
And then in the infamous Northeast there is a big area where the climate is Semi Arid, but the Brazilians are retards and complaint about it.

>>544999309
>Brazilians today are not descendent from a mixture that occured 500 years ago
I'm literally am though? I'm from the countryside of the northeast. No immigrants or recent slaves in my family tree. Most Brazilians have a baseline like mine but with minor recent contributions but they have to larp about them and make them their entire identity. So if you are 80% common Brazilian but 20% italian, you are le "italian-brazilian"

>>544999515
I would of thought that the sun angle and high altitude keeps the uv cooking even trough clouds there

>>544999431
Lula is a commie who turned Brazil non white (yeah, unironically, officially it was a white country before his rule) by stealing money from whites and giving it to its mutt friends in the Northeast and the favelas so they had a sort of baby boom and invaded what used to be known as Brazil.

Bolsonaro is hated by those mutts because he wants to end criminality by arming Brazilians and he's also hated by many white Brazilians for not being a commie and for wanting to put Christianity at the forefront in Brazil.

And a lot of retards think he's a puppet of Israel because Milei and because in Brazil the third worldist mutt commies support Palestine and the right support Israel because "we must slaughter the criminals like Israel slaughters Palestinians shit".

Some chugs on pol now believe Bolsonaro would sell Brazil to Israel or some retarded shit.

>>544999515
>>544999611
I live in a mountainous area in the semiarid northeast. The climate is not as hot as the coast but the sun is indeed horrible. There are blond and ginger people here with clearly mixed race faces but with freckles and etc. This is why I say we white Brazilians are mostly from the same race as pardos, just happened to come out light

>>544999387
> My skin is type 2 though, not 1
No João that’s your diabetes

>>544999417
Sesmarias were large estates that were granted to noble families that helped colonize a captaincy. These guys were mostly of mixed race sertanista background, they also mixed with locals over time. Same thing for captaincy governors. Some viceroys or governor generals were born in Brazil but most weren't

>>544999882
Kek. The flag, the post

>>544999611
I have no idea, to be honest. I just heard everybody that went there say that it's very cool (as in soft).

>>544999522

No, anon, most Brazilians are nor from the Northeast.
And most Northeasterners have "recent slaves" in their family tree.
Actually most Northeasterners are mostly the derived from those "recent slaves" in their family trees... it's the majority of their gene pool. Especially in Bahia.
And most Northeasterners are not from the countryside for 50 to 70 years now.

You see, you're a special case not only for Brazil but for the Northeast.

Your problem is that you are desperately grabbing to the idea of le "common Brazilian", which is something that absolutely does not exist.

I grant you though, if it was to exist it would be a Portuguese+Native admixture, as is so common in the Northeast, but also the Southeast and the Centre West and the North... lol... and now even in the South.

But these mix say, the most common... 75% Portuguese / European + 25% Amerindian... that would be what? 15 to 20% of the Brazilian population?

I think + 90% EUropean is higher...

From what I can gather most Italian Brazilians are white and they mostly live in São Paulo and the South.
They are just either 100% Italian (lots of them are... what? 10% of Brazil?) or some 75/25 Italian+Portuguese or vice versa... these would be what 5 to 10% of all Brazil...

You will not understand the true complexity of Brazil if you're still grabbing to the idea of a "common Brazilian admixture".

You all look so different but you're closer to a common Brazilian look than to a common Brazilian admixture.

>>545000005
>Actually most Northeasterners are mostly the derived from those "recent slaves" in their family trees... it's the majority of their gene pool. Especially in Bahia.
>And most Northeasterners are not from the countryside for 50 to 70 years now.
You always come with the most uninformed takes, I don't know why I keep entertaining your posts

>>544999760
You could have said that the pardos in whatever area just have a huge and dominant European proportion (75/80%), which would be closer to the truth.

>>544999934
Ok. Are you sure Sesmarias were only for noble families though ?
How were they mixed race if they were nobles?
That didn't fly before D. Pedro. And after it it was still exceedingly rare.

You have to understand the real mindset of the settlers in the 1500-1800 period.
They were the lords of the land. They were there for a national / political / ethnic and a religion reason.
The Inquisition was a thing. Cleanliness of Blood Laws was a thing. How could it not have been? You think they were retarded? You think the Portuguese crown had no experience?

Now... I am not saying that there was not a fuckton of miscegenation. Just that those who went down that route became the mutts, they lost their white / Portuguese status.

Well anon it's half past midnight and I got to go. It was nice talking to you.
The colonisation of Brazil was a fascinating endeavour.

You need to realise that no country put a similar effort into colonising a place (actually remaking it in its own image with its own population), not even the Brits in North America - and that is what comes close.

In the mid 1700s there were 3 million Portuguese in Portugal and 2 million in Brazil.
In the early 1800s there were 5 million Portuguese in Portugal and 5 million Portuguese in Brazil - Brazil at this time had 15 million people or so.

Nowadays there are 8 or so million Portuguese and 70 to 80 million "white" (mostly Portuguese) Brazilians.

Compare that to the 50 million English in Britain and the 200 million whites in North America.

Our colonisation was a colossal effort, with areas of our country becoming depopulated due to immigration to Brazil in the XVIII and XIX centuries...

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>>544985979
Brazil is the final stage of the kalergi plan. Blue eyed mulattos with blonde afros, green eyed mestizos with brown dreadlocks, brown eyed white people wavy black hair.

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Apartheid.

>>545000336
>You could have said that the pardos in whatever area just have a huge and dominant European proportion (75/80%), which would be closer to the truth.
The average white Brazilian outside of the three states of the south is just a light skinned pardo, that's my entire thesis in this thread. This also includes "Italians" from SP, just google Eduarda Campopiano to see what your italian paulistas look like
>Are you sure Sesmarias were only for noble families though ?
Mostly for fidalgos but you could buy them too if you were rich
>How were they mixed race if they were nobles?
Because they inherited noble titles from an European ancestor?
>In the mid 1700s there were 3 million Portuguese in Portugal and 2 million in Brazil.
>Our colonisation was a colossal effort, with areas of our country becoming depopulated due to immigration to Brazil in the XVIII and XIX centuries...
I know that but you have to consider that Portuguese people in Brazil could be mixed race because you just had to be a subject of the king to be considered Portuguese. We were Portuguese before independence

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>>544988432
98%

>>545000644
The seething hatred northeastern mutts, especially the lighter ones, have for white people from São Paulo and the south would be funny if it didn't have consequences in the real world.
You're brown, get over it.
The light pardos who kinda look like you we have down here came from where you're from and refuse to go back.

>>544999669
Honestly that sounds completely schizo even if it's true so I'm going to need to hear it from a reputable portuguese poster like an angolan or something

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>>545000953
>for white people from São Paulo and the south
Just read my posts ITT, I kept saying that the south has actual white people, so I don't understand this persecution complex. Or maybe you are a paulista mutt trying to cling on the south for european points, what happens a lot
>The light pardos who kinda look like you we have down here came from where you're from and refuse to go back
Sure, the bandeirantes were white. Sure, all these slaves just vaporized and you were always a nordic hyperborea down there all along

WHERE IN BRAZIL ARE BIGGEST ASSES??

>>544999260
South africa is whiter than brazil, because their whites are actually white

https://www.discovermagazine.com/brazil-the-case-of-triracial-white-people-32347

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>>545001395
Pernambuco

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>>545001395
Rio de Janeiro, probably

>>545001288
This is so stupid that barely even worth responding to.
Most white people in São Paulo and the south are not descendants of muh bandeirantes, they're descended from the millions of european immigrants who came here from the late 19th century up to the mid 20th century (for instance, the latest arriving side of my family got here in the 40s). Some of them mixed with the niggers (like you) who were already here, and some stayed in their own groups. White brazilians are overwhelmingly descended from the latter. White people of colonial stock are exceedingly rare.

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>>545001898
This is very true in the south but São Paulo was the main province of Brazil and it already had a lot of colonial stock Brazilians back then. If your ancestors married local white Brazilians like most immigrants there did then you have mixed race ancestry too, like almost all the millions of whites outside of the south. Remembering that the entire country outside of the immigrant center has white people, so the claim that white Brazilians are overwhelmingly from immigrat stock is complete bullshit

>>545001503
How many “white” Chileans are actually white? Most of you look very mestizo from what I’ve seen online. I used to think Chileans were more like Argies but there seems to be a pretty significant whiteness gap between you.

>>545002488
We didnt receive a mass european immigration
Only internet incels group us with argentina

We're all mutts (like 99%).