Everyone i know says that communism is bad
Communism is gay and Jewish.
Don't think about it
>>544990528Millions of peasants starving to death under 20th century Communist regimes (USSR / China) wasn't enough of a dead giveaway? https://climate.uchicago.edu/news/how-the-persecution-of-sparrows-killed-2m-people/
The countries with the best quality of life in the world are socialist. There’s a perfect balance between capitalism and socialism.
>>544990785what about vietnam or burkina faso?
>>544990785Most of the people who die communism were greedy and corruptMost of the people who die under capitalism are poor and oppressed
>>544990883Communist Vietnam certainly had no shortage of famines eitherhttps://digitalcommons.salve.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1020&context=fac_staff_pub
>>544990949Except it was primarily peasant farmers who died as a result of collective farming inefficiencies and widespread food shortages in Communist regimes. Read a history book sometime.
>>544990815those nord countries still all have central banks and markets so they're not true socialism
>>544990977>so pepole dying under capitalism from hunger, poverty, exploitation dosent count?
>>544991038Didn't the iris starved to because their elite sold all der fish or potatoes or something lmao a fucking Island sorrounded by fish and the people starve
>>544991158Say what you will about Capitalist regimes, they don't experience starvation of millions therein as a result of the pitfalls of attempted collectivization
>>544991224*Irish
>>544990785Feudalism is not better
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>>544991283It's a lot less dangerous to be a peasant farmer under Feudalism than one in a Communist regime. History speaks for itself on that account.
>>544991253They outsourced the starving
>>544990528Capitalism, socialism (all flavors), communism, and all other “-isms” are all derivatives of judaism.They exist for the sole purpose of inflicting central banking on a target population.Fiat currency is fake money that steals from everyone who is not the banker.Basically, this...>>544990689
>>544990528Because you get no choice and you are no longer free
>>544991253meybe not from starvation but millions still die form capitalism
>>544991158Nearly no one dies under starvation under capitalism >but muh statistics These are people of old age that can’t stomach food
>>544991428Ok, how do they die from capitalism
>>544991158Literally no one voluntarily dies of hunger in any modern capitalist nation.
>>544991568Abortions because they can't afford kids
>>544990528Its anti civilization, the ideology of barbarians who want to pillage the most productive members of society. All good things are built upon the foundation of respect for private property. Without that, there can be nothing but savagery.
>>544991568i meant like pepole die from the effects of capitalism, englisch is not my first launge
>>544990528Ask your parents. They lived through it.Assuming they were not polish flavor of KGB style Secret Police
>>544990528Actually, communism is good.
>>544991642Yeah, how
>>544991753they lived trough it, they told me it was preety okey
>>544991623That is a result from women and feminism
>>544991828what how
>>544990528You're Polish and you ask this? Absolutely bait. Your family must've been Party loyalists.
>>544991953no, they where factory workers
>>544990528it's just naive, capitalism can't be let to run on its own but forcing a polar opposite is just going to create more power vacuums and put us back into the same set of authoritarian cycles
>>544990528is slave morality causing people to declare themselves as "victims" to believe that, because they are victims, then they are the needful. They deserve to have what others make/have, and if those aren't willing to give it up, then those people are evil.Grifters or people seeking to rule but lacking the means to defeat those who are holding power hijack these people and use them as critical mass to achieve positions of power; when they are successful, usually they cannot fulfill the promises made to the masses, who usually die while those who realize they have been duped try to fight back but get crushed by the gorillas of the new rule they helped ascend. But be careful: people who live in an unequal world desiring more for themselves or a fairer world are a very human and normal sentiment; you can blame the ideology, not the sentiment.
>>544991038>Except it was primarily peasant farmers who died as a result of collective farming inefficienciesThere's zero evidence of this. Even in the USSR, their famines were often caused by sabotage done by rich farmers like the kulaks. Collectivized farming was already widespread in Russia prior to Soviet times.
>>544992036Yeah factory workers who narced on other factory workers.
>>544991301The current Pope is a socialist who condemns communism, and even during the cold war, The Catholic Church worked with communists, especially in Italy.
>>544990528jews prosper with it. but they own all political and economic ideologies now, so... does it matter anymore?
>>544991158You are clearly an agent of provocation.
>>544991273They starved for very old reasons no one talks about because we would have to rewrite history.
>>544990785>millionsHow many irish starved during the famine?
>>544991880You can’t just say everyone that dies is because of capitalism You have to explain the mechanism for it
>>544990528Everything is bad when jews are involved.
>>544990785To be fair, they were being lead by kikes and chinks.They were going to die no matter what system they were under.
>>544990528Ask them to elaborate and form your own opinion.
>>544990528I think a neet would do poorly in a system that assigns you a job, and you get shot or sent to prison when you no call no show instead of fired. You thought your Taco bell shift manager was bad, check out that manager at Chernobyl who was threatening the employees with death if they didn't perform the test
Logistical and bureaucratical inefficiencies mixed with the ideology of psychotic oppurtunists. Now we just have the latter..
Because it leads to the emergence of a bureaucratic elite that lives like middle and upper class and the rest in poverty.So workers actually have no incentive to be competitive, since their job is guaranteed. They won't be fired, so they don't have to deliver shit on time.Then the elites pretend to pay them and the workers pretend to work.Basically there's no incentive to be economically competitive if a better life can only come by joining the party and sucking up to bosses so you can ascend to becoming part of the ruling elite.
>>544993295their job is not guaranteed. It is mandatory... Those are not the same thing.
>>544993399At worst the party can send you to a job in bumfuck nowhere.But ideologically they're forced to give you a job and a place to stay.
>>544993399I mean the job is mandatory but... your work output is not guaranteed! :D
>>544993295In the USSR, everyone was guaranteed housing, employment and education. They abolished prostitution, homelessness and drug abuse. All while developing nuclear weapons and being the first country in space. They essentially doubled life expectancy of everyone living in Eastern Europe. If anything, communism works. In fact, things became WORSE in the USSR because of reforms that made it more capitalist.
>>544990528anti-Christian gay shit is always bad
>>544992457Imperialism is the height of capitalism. How many people died from colonial exploitation? How many people are still dying because they aren't in the imperial core? How many people will die when even the imperial core is no longer safe from exploitation (see Greece and current day events in France)?
>>544990528Because the economy is too complex for the government to predict and plan for it on its own. Also everything automatically becomes a monopoly, so there is never any competition or incentive to improve anything.
>>544993596That only worked due to catch-up growth dynamics, not communism.In other words, what they did was the state embarked on a huge program of industrialisation to lift the country from an agrarian state.Since there was so much to build to match the developed world, this generated a lot of growth.But once that phase was over and the West moved on to a service-based economy using advanced financialisation and computers, the USSR could no longer compete.Their huge industry became rusty and investment couldn't be secured anymore.The arms race only made things worse, they were overspending on weapons that couldn't match those from the West, which depleted funds for infrastructure.And their exports were very uncompetitive. So much that they had their own separate international market where everyone was selling at dumping prices.For example Romania was selling furniture and gas stoves, that were so bad, other countries bought them to dismantle them and use the raw materials.
>>544993723> Imperialism is the height of capitalismI firmly believe communists can not argue in good faith
>>544990528its retarded because it implies that genders and races are equal
>>544993596Arguing with South Americans and Eastern Europeans about communism is usually a lost cause. The former is influenced by CIA propaganda and the latter associates communism with an exploitive imperial system which their parents or maybe they lived under.
>>544990528It might work if everyone was an angel, but a sizeable proportion of people don't give that much of a shit about the common good. Take doing everything you can to lower your taxes not even being controversial, for example.
>>544993596The jews gave Russia the bomb...
>>544990785There's 9 million people starving to death under capitalism each year. You don't blame it on capitalism for some reason
>>544993955Good job avoiding addressing anything I said Mr. Goodfaith.
>>544990528> let me tell you about your social class and how it includes me as the leader
>dictatorship of the proletariat >workers' ownership of the means of production>abolition of private property>stateless moneyless classless societyno communist country has done any of this because it's a complete fantasy. communist countries end up reverting back capitalism like lenin did with the NEP realizing that above is impossible to implement
>>544994342reverting back to capitalism*
>>544994342https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy
>>544994026Well we lived through it, we might know what we're talking about, instead of talking based on abstractions
>>544990689>>544990731Try to understand, OK? The economic system doesn't matter that much. The important thing is to have the right people in charge of killing the bad guys. The population can figure the rest out.The problem with Communism, Capitalism, and Democracy is that the worst possible people will come to power through those ideologies.
It is so bad, that it made China poorer than Africa. It is that bad.
>>544994563China got mega growth thanks to exporting to Western countries, which had much more purchasing power.Ironic how their "socialist" system could have never become viable without external capital. Without becoming the manufacturing plant for western capitalism. And without having their companies operate mostly independently as if they have a free market.
>>544994342china reverted back to capitalism with the socialism with chinese characteristisboth china and ussr show that communism has been a complete failure
>>544994224>addressing bad faith argument in good faith How about noTell me, what is the Soviet Union if not imperialism
>>544994731China is NatSocBut commies still love it, should tell you everything you need to know about communistsThey only care about how they appear
>>544990528It's 100% Jewish horseshit, and only a mid point towards total enslavement
>>544990528I mean I learned in high school, both in history and economics classes how retarded and dangerous communism is. Not really hard to grasp.
>>544990528Communism and liberalism aren’t so much political ideologies as they are social engineering projects that the Germans implement on their enemies (everyone) to retard those countries.
>>544990528And Marx was a German agent and Engles his German handler.
>>544990528I mean I'd be pretty pissed if I were a doctor or an engineer and some nig who collects carts at Walmart earned the exact same salary as me.
>>544990528Communism makes sense once you understand that it's just the Jewish delirium of ideas that comes from trying to make sense of the world outside Christianity. Communism, Psycho-analysis, Kabbalah, Social Justice, Transgenderism, Trans-humanism AND MANY MANY MORE.. It's all mental illness from rejecting the truth that is Christ Jesus. The environment of the Jew creates such a plethora of mental illness because unlike the regular goy that simply doesn't engage with the truth being Jew requires you to actively reject the truth.
>>544996600It's even worse than that. They forcibly make the nig the doctor/engineer and make you collect carts. This is a core part of the ideology.
>>544990528I will give you the real deal, something you might not have heard before.SOCommunism is a method of rule where everyone are supposed to be equal under the law.The problem is, no one is equal. In anything. Ever. Some work 3x harder than others. Should they not deserve their spoils? This goes against every possible natural order. The "good" jobs as CEOs go to useless people who wear the communist symbol, not worthy people who know what they're doing. So everything is shit. All they make is shit. That's #1.SOWhat do they do? Well, they have to redistribute what is not equal by force. If they oppose? Strong force. Hence the killing. And the forced labour, and the insane control over every aspect of everyones lives and family members outing each other to the secret police.That's how communism always fails.Communism is also theft, unbridled theft. If there is someone who wants everything, they want other people to give it to them while they give nothing in return, they are communists.
>>544997634And even the most devout commies eventually find among themselves a smart one like Deng in China, Bukharin in Russia and concede that they have to allow some form of capital and private enterprise if they are to get anywhere and quietly drop the retarded shit and just keep it as kind of a religion they do lip service to but don't practice it and effectively become fascist. Communism is only good as the transitional stage of destroying an old system but it's useless at building anything stable and productive
>>544990528Because time equals money. That's basic economics. I spend my time producing something in my area of expertise in exchange for someone else's time or produce in another area of expertise. Direct exchange of time or produce is not feasible, so we invented money to represent the value of that time and produce. Communism is bad because it devalues time by giving a retard alcoholic gender studies foid a share of the value produced by a software engineer or a construction worker who actually makes something valuable. Hence it removes the incentives from the market. That is how you get underproduction of things that matter and overproduction of things that do not. That is why you go to the store for food and there is none.
One you realize how fucking retarded dialectical materialism is you can't help but despise anyone supports communism.
>>544990528Because we're told it's never real communism.
