Is it true that Japan was trying to free Asia from European colonialism during WW2?
>>545010524Yeah, free them from European colonialism and bring them into Japanese colonialism.
>>545010559Ok but isn't that still preferable for the overall potential of Asia to be ruled by Asians?
>>545010524No, they were attempting to create their own colonial empire.
>>545010524Yes and spitroasting Manchurian babies on bayonets and throwing them into fires was part of the liberation process
>>545011565Why is it my business how other peoples resolve family disputes?
>Free People often forget that nations tend to hate and be rivals with the nations closest to them. England hated France for hundreds of years. I don't know why people think Asian would be an exception. The east Asians all hated each other and tried to conquer each other for years. The lack of solidarity was part of the reason that the European colonization was successful. The Japanese didn't magically develop a sense of comraderie with the Chinese just because they were colonized. They just wanted a piece of the pie and took the victory in the sino Russian war that they could match the world powers. They did what every great power did and started colonizing territory and when they got told no by America they just assumed it was euro supremacism and attack at pearl harbor to show that they could do what they wanted and to get us to back off. Their miscalculation was thinking America was as poorly run as Russia.
>>545010524Are wars ever actually fought for liberation? Life isn't a Marvel movie.
>>545012092>Are wars ever actually fought for liberation?Yemen, today.
>>545012122That's a civil war. I mean foreign invasions.
>>545010524Japan believed and hoped especially after defeating Russia in 1904 and winning WWI that they would be viewed and accepted as a fellow great power but Americans and Europeans still saw them as yellow inferior monkeys. It made them furious so they believed if they can't be a great empire then no one can in the Pacific so their goal was destroying all European colonies in Asia. They succeeded in that but they were not liberators just like Russians weren't but they still believe it both coping for what they actually were, imperialist warmongering mongoloids.
>>545010524basically Japan saw what allied European nations were capable of and wanted that for asians.
>>545010594Japs did not see nor think of themselves as asians during that period and the mentality still lingers in some to this day. They literally thought of themselves as a fellow western nation and a fellow white nation. That's also the whole reason they wanted to colonized all of asia.
>>545012163Any war fought for liberation will be a civil war by definition, no?
>>545012567Not really. Imagine US starts bombing Brazil today to liberate you from Lula. Doesn't sound like a civil war.
>>545010524Japan wanted to be the boss of a pan-asian union in order to counter specific western empires that were becoming a threat.The British Empire was spamming jeets all over SEA to ethnically replace native people with jeets. They were then going to zerg spam those jeets like they are doing now.Japan and Germany teamed up to counter ZOG.
>>545010559Europeans (except Germany) wanted to ethnically replace other asians with JEETS though
>>545012634Regime change is not a war for liberation...Imagine if AnsarAllah decided to take the three Yemeni provinces back from Saudi Arabia, would it be a war fo liberation?
>>545012542Not true. Japan wanted a pan-asian nation to counter the growing western empires.
>>545012717That's the point. They can claim whatever when invading, but its almost never about liberating you.
>>545012634Imagine if one country in Europe freed itself from jew control and invaded other European countries to free them from jewish influence, mongrelisation and ethnic cleansing.It's like that.Basically like Germany in WW2.
>>545012750A few wars are actually fought for liberation, they are pretty rare, tho.I'm trying to think if there's a case a for liberation can happen without being a civil war. The case I can think is Ansarallah taking the three provinces against Sauids.
>>545010524I don't know the full history anon but Japan did occupy part of Indonesia before WW2. The Dutch had been there for 400 years making lots of money while the population lived in abject poverty, as they still do today. This comes from an agricultural study of the eastern islands and the history recorded on those islands.
>>545012750Japan was mistreated by US and other white nations, especially the Treaty of Portsmouth, so they wanted to liberate other asian nations that were being bullied by white nations.Otherwise, individual countries would get picked off one by one and jeetified.
>>545012864Really should have fought some Western colony, instead of attacking China and kept hostility to the USSR.
>>545012803>A few wars are actually fought for liberationCan't think of many. Maybe a couple of here and there.>I'm trying to think if there's a case a for liberation can happen without being a civil war.Actual liberation - maybe. Like idk, if Ireland invaded UK to take back Northern Ireland and paddies there actually wanted to be ruled by Dublin. In any case, its a spectrum because when invading anyone you will almost 100% find some local collaborators that would let you frame it as a civil war.
>>545012864Britain armed jeet soldiers and workers and helped them rape and kill local women.
>>545012864Anglos are straight up demons
>>545012883It's subjective and the vast majority of liberation wars are just excuses, but still think it can happen.Maybe China over Taiwan if Americans push some policies people in Taiwan really don't want. Maybe Iran annexing parts of Iraq, UAE and Bahrain where Shia majorities are oppressed by the corrupt monarch type. And anyone attacking Israel should count by default.
>>545012882Japan did invade Western colonies, but wanted a pan-asian state including China so an invasion was deemed necessary. Some people in the military opposed it and wanted to just keep fighting the USSR but there was a peace treaty in place to prevent that.At the time you needed to have or be part of a big empire or you would be conquered, raped and ethnically replaced by other empires.
>>545012972If the Japanese carred about Jeets and fighting Western powers more than they cared about being the top dog, an alliance with Chiang would be perfectly possible.
>>545012906They weren't doing it out of hatred. It was for cold, calculated capitalist reasons.They saw asians as sub-human and thought of jeets as a preferable race of sub-humans because they were easier to control and more servile.
>>545012864You are full of shit. Japan participated in a war aimed to suppress anti-Western rebellions in China. Japan fought a war to keep Western influence over Asia.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance
>>545012996The Chinese are a proud race with 5000 years of history so they were not going to accept being bossed around by Japan, nor the other way around. Empire isn't possible without war and alliances are not strong enough to defeat other empires.I seriously doubt the NATO alliance will counter Russia. They will get cold feet for sure. The US and UK were supposed to back up Ukraine directly but chickened out.
>>545012728>pan-asian nation not when they were and till are going "we wuz whites and shit"
>>545013014Japan was bullied and coerced into fighting for Europeans, that's why Tojo allied with Hitler. Im explaining the timeline.
>>545012864Western powers just wanted to stop a asian super power from rising, that is all. Japan was cornered, and attempted to fight its way out.
>>545011565I am more than suspicious that this photo was doctored after the war to add evidence to the Nanjing tribunal.
>>545012964>Maybe China over TaiwanThat's a civil war by definition, but I guess. Although Taiwanese don't really want to be part of the mainland.>Iran annexing parts of Iraq, UAE and BahrainIraq could be possible, but complicated. UAE and Bahrain people don't want to be ruled by Iran, I think.>anyone attacking Israel Just pragmatic policy of eliminating the troublemaker from the region.
>>545013042It was raw Japanese imperialism. Japan supported Western imperialism in Asia when it increased it's position as >>545013014 pointed, and it choose to fight China adn expand its empire, instead of making an alliance/trading and fighting Western powers. Despite the Chinese being more than willing to accept anyone's help to fight Western influence.
>>545013063where does this idea even come from?
>>545013088>UAE and Bahrain people don't want to be ruled by Iran, I think.I think Bahrain, not couting the foreign workers, has a Persian Shia majority ruled by a Sunni minority.
>>545013014To weaken China, most likely. Japan could have cooperated with Chinese nationalists, to kick out the west. But Japan would most likely find itself soon a vassal of China, if that happened.
>>545013075Exactly. They hated the idea of asian "subhumans" becoming powerful. So the only way to counter the white empires and not be slaves was to build a pan asian empire.>>545013094Japan + China could not defeat the joint western powers at the time. Be realistic. WW1 weakening european empires changed things though.
>>545013072No, Japan was fighting on its own will to defend its concessions in China. Japan went anti-Western only when Western powers gave a middle finger to Japan and they got mad they were not allowed to sit at the adult table.
>>545013152>Japan + China could not defeat the joint western powers at the time. Be realistic. WW1 weakening european empires changed things though.I'm talking about the interwar period, when Japan attacked China in 1931, then again 1937, it did more than any Western power to weaken Asia.Wasting Japanese and Chinese military resources.
>>545013152>They hated the idea of asian "subhumans" becoming powerfulFeared Japan*And for a good reason. Japan had shown to own claws and teeth, snd will to use them.
>>545013143That's true, just not sure to what extent they actually want o be ruled by Iran. Those things may be more complicated than we think.>>545013149It was done to get some extra colonies in Asia. Japan was not seeing China as a soon-to-be rival.
>>545012728>Let's attack China because European empires have colonies in Asia
>>545013171Japan being pushed into fighting Russia for Western European interests is well documented. It applies to China too.
>>545013224>That's true, just not sure to what extent they actually want o be ruled by Iran. Those things may be more complicated than we think.Neither do I, but it may be a candidate for a liberation war. If Saddam was not... well... Saddam, maybe his invasion of Kuwait could count.
NoThey were doing their OWN hecking colonizationThey wanted to be part of the european colonial power club
>>545013248How was Japan pushed to fight China?
>>545013248>It applies to China too.How exactly this works?
>>545013266Again, I guess its a matter of perspective. Was US invasion of Iraq liberation? No, because its a fucking invasion that saw like 600,000 civilians dead. But also yes, because Saddam was hated and because Americans installed Shia rule over Shia majority instead of Saddam's Sunni party.
>>545013196You think if Japan had allied with China they could fight the West? You think they would coordinate with each other?>>545013217Maybe. They were always going to suppress asian powers more than other white powers.>>545013227Well a good deal of China was occupied by Britain, including Hong Kong. Also it was needed for resources to attack the colonies.
>>545010524Not really. They claimed it, but then also seized resources all the same. Put lands under military rule. In a few locations they did create puppet governments for the locals, but that was mainly to make it harder for anybody to retake it. This DID lead in the long term to growth in independence movements there so there's that.
>>545013248It was England who created the modern navy of Japan and pushed and funded the war against Russia.Japan attacked German merchant ships in Asia knowing exactly that they are German not only destroying the boat you attacked and killed even the survivors swimming in the water.Japan deserved everything they got but were not punished hard enough
>>545013312>But also yes, because Saddam was hated and because Americans installed Shia rule over Shia majority instead of Saddam's Sunni party.I never fail to be amazed at how bad American backfired in Iraq.>>545013325>You think if Japan had allied with China they could fight the West?Far better than Japan expending it's and China's forces and resources against each other. Japan just saw land and tried to grab.
Japan is better off being part of our club.. China is a cheap whore compared,at least Japan is considered a shiny cherished gemstone accourding to most Westerners.China even with a nationalist gov cannot get their shit together, they'd be better ruled by Japan.
>>545013325The war on China depleted Japans few resources they've had it had absolutely no point besides fighting a war just for the sake of war. Japan gained nothing from this nonsense.
>>545013325>They were always going to suppress asian powers more than other white powers.Because western powers were already powerful, and close to each other's motherland. We saw what happened in ww1, what happens when western powers fight one another.
>>545013393>Japan gained nothing from this nonsense.It gained a massive border with the USSR in Manchuria and had to keep massive amounts of troops tied there.
>>545013325>They were always going to suppress asian powers more than other white powers.Even after WW2, Japan was not as supressed as the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
>>545013352How do you think Empires form? From invasion and conquest.>>545013344shalom.Japan worked with Germany, sending critical resources by sea.btw were killing jews with the nazis next time they rise to power.
>>545013352>I never fail to be amazed at how bad American backfired in Iraq.Yeah, that was double digit IQ move, but they saw it as natural.>country ruled by an evil minority dictatorship>we invade, give democracy>majority votes Shia into power>democracy always good, everyone happy, so they are our friends nowThat's more or less how they saw it.
>>545013467>How do you think Empires form? From invasion and conquest.Now we are talking, nothing of this "fight Western imperialism", "defend against jeets" or "pan asianism" crap. Raw Japanese empire building.
>>545013412Japan "owned" Manchuria many years before WWII, Japan made a non aggression pact with the Soviets which made the Soviets relocating all troops in the east to Europe.
>>545013488you sound like a woke loser with an idealistic, naive view of the world.in order to fight imperialism you need an empire.alliances are weak, look at NATO. complete cucks in the face of Russia.you also need your empire to be ethnically similar to the leadership or the leadership will be psychopathic to the inhabitants.
>>545013467>From invasion and conquest.For once you are being honest TT. Conquest and invasion. Stop pretending it was anything but that.
>>545013483>majority votes Shia into powerNext to a Shia theocracy hostile to the US. >>545013533Japan invadade Manchuria in 1931, and it kept a massive amount of troops and resources tied there, despite the deal with the USSR.
>>545013534That's how Japanese gained the deserved fame of being two faced back stabbers.
>>545013556>Next to a Shia theocracy hostile to the US.I guess Americans thought religion was no longer that important for people. Idk.
>>545013540Conquest and invasion isn't always bad. Get your testosterone levels checked.
>>545013566How?
>>545010524Yes. Hitler too, that's why they love Hitler in Asia.
>>545013579Bad or good, they are what they are. You are the one trying to frame them as liberation ITT. If you called them conquests from the start, we wouldn't be having this long ass conversation over nothing.
>>545013467Japan protected Jews in your empire, Japan was not antisemitic in any way rather the opposite, you knew jews have big power and influence in many western nations and knew that jews owned the banks so by protecting them you believed it would be a good way to get cheap money from them.
>>545013571Maybe the thought Iraq would be a quick and easy war, so they'd soo attack and destroy Iran anyway.>>545013610By siding with Western powers, then talking about pan-asiatic, then attacking China instead of Western powers.
>>545013627But no one in Asian loves Japan, somehow.
>>545013638Check out the Fugu Plan
>>545013634>>545013642It's both. Conquest in order to liberate them from western rule and create a pan-asian empire, which would have ethnically replaced them with jeets.
>>545013642>would be a quick and easy warWell, it was. Until it wasn't. But Bush was a retard, so it was to be expected.
>>545010524The rape of Nanking would suggest otherwise.The Japs were literally allies of the British in WW1
>>545013638Yeah it was a mistake, but Japan didnt know what jews were like. We need to destroy the banks and wipe them out.
>>545013674>Conquest in order to liberate them from western ruleYou're just being dishonest, conquest against the only other power in the region not under Western control to liberated them from Western rule?
>>545013556No, Japan lost all skirmishes they had with the Soviets and Soviets relocated all troops there when the big battles were happening on the eastern front. Japsoids ruined everything. Their stupid invasion of the USA fucked everything up instead of fighting Soviets and trying to steal resources in the Soviet east they attacked western nations especially the USA who had a greater industry than the entire planet together.At the end Soviets attacked Japan anyway despite the NAP.
>>545010524No war is ever fought for such noble reasons.Gaining wealth and expanding power/maintaining power are the only reasons war is fought.
>>545010524Free ? More like get then under new management. If i recall correctly they did end up killing a spanish population of Philippines, tho i can be wrong
>>545013674Stop bringing jeets into this shit. Just because now /pol/ has a knee-jerk reaction to jeets being mentioned does not mean you can justify anything with "either I conquer you or da jeets will poop on you". Again, stop being so dishonest, Japanese wars in Asia had nothing to do with jeets.
>>545013627Hitler loved colonialism and tried to get all our former colonies back.
>>545013763>Soviets relocated all troops there when the big battles were happening on the eastern front.Japan never relocated much of it's troops, and occupying Manchuria against Chinese resistence took a lot of resources from the Japanese.
>>545010524Japan was trying to secure its large investments in Manchuria and their strategic supplies. When chaos in China threatened both, they invaded.
>>545013711they were constantly being fucked over by western powers and were having a huge civil war. hong kong, macau and shanghai were controlled. it was a pan-asian empire not just a "kick out some and let others continue getting fucked over" empire.
>>545012728>now that we have conquered Manchuria and Korea we can start killing everyone!>how will that help us create a pan-Asian empire?>pan-Asian empire?
>>545013152>>545013149Japan wanted an empire, for that they needed a large territory with abundant resources in order to raise a large population. Most of the world was occupied already by stronger Euro/Western powers. The easiest pickings close by was in China, hence the taking of Taiwan, Korea, Manchuria, and later the full war in 1937. They couldn't go by the Chinese model today where foreign resources are extracted via trade and a massive industrial base, since the Western powers and Russia would not let their colonies be exploited at a large scale by Japan, and Western nations had significant industry which they would protect against Japanese competition. So they had to go to war to take the land. China has relied on the open trade of the past few decades to extract foreign resources peacefully, and on top of that it trades a lot with non Western countries in Africa, Latam, SEA, etc. So it's harder for Western powers to economically throttle China, compared to the 30s when the Dutch could halt Japanese trade with Indonesia at the snap of their fingers if they wanted to.
>>545013787It was to liberate asian countries from western bullying by creating a pan-asian empire.ethnic replacement with jeets is one form of bullying.
>>545013814Soviets moved their eastern armies to Europe not Japan.
>>545013869Then why did Japan cooperate with same empires to keep Western influence over China in 1900?
>>545013841>britbong jeet spammer who sided against hitler and who let pakis rape his daughters said wha-?>>545013859truth
>>545013840The Chinese were more than willing to fight alonside Japan to kick Westerners out of HK, Macau and Shanghai, specially taking in account how much of a weaboo that idiot of Chiang was.Also, wasn't Shanghai literally occupied by Japan in 37?>>545013897That's what I'm saying, Japan gained a swamp to keep it's forces bogged when they invadade Manchuria.
>>545013901because the pan-asian empire thing was a WW2 plan, check OP's post again. before that we all had to do what the west wanted.
>>545010594The japs saw it as a untermensch (them) vs ubermensch (us) scenario
>>545013944>before that we all had to do what the west wanted.The Japanese choose to fight alongside Westerners to colonize Asia, and got mad when they didn't get anything in return.
>>545013944>before that we all had to do what the west wanted.You did not provide a single piece of evidence suggesting Westerners forced Japan to participate in fighting the Boxer Rebellion. You just said it was pushed, but how?
>>545013912which Chinese? they were having a civil war and weren't in a position to fight the west.anyway Japan sided with the Chinese Imperial family during WW2 as far as i remember.
>>545013944Japan enslaved the Asians they have "liberated" treating them much worse than any European colonial empires didm
>>545014012>which Chinese? they were having a civil war and weren't in a position to fight the west.The Nationalists under KMT had control over the majority of China before the Japanese invadade. Give them a some more years and they'd have stabilized the country.
>>545013983Japan wanted to fight Russia and liberate Siberia (asiatic mongol clay) but was denied by the treaty of portsmouth by western powers. That's when Japan "god mad"
>>545014012>anyway Japan sided with the Chinese Imperial family during WW2 as far as i remember.No, Japan sided with a Japanese puppet larping as the Chinese imperial family. Not even Puyi himself took this role seriously and become a worker in PRC after the war.
>>545014040Bunch of backstabbers, you wanted Russian land while fighting on Russia's side in WW1.
>>545014040So now even Siberia belongs to you? Jesus Christ...
>>545014012>Japan sided with the Chinese Imperial family during WW2So what? They had zero power in China.
>>545014088It definitely doesn't belong to you. Pan-asia dude.Why do you send so many mongol guys into the meat grinder?
>>545014133Would China be justified in invading you today to liberate you from America and create a pan-Asian Empire?
>>545014081They never wanted Russian lands, their war happened because of Korea since both wanted to control it.
>>545014160Taking in account Japan is under military occupation by a Western power...>>545014162Japan demanded some Russian land right the end of WW1.
>>545014178If China does not do it, Japan will be ethnically replaced by jeets. Looks like a justified war to me. All in the name of a pan-Asian Empire.
>>545011032wrong. Japan was defending itself from you World Bank globohomo jewish slaves.take a look at the history of all the nations Japan fought and you'll find british and spaniard and american colonizers were trying to wrangle all the islanders under their economies, brainwashing millions.
>>545014220>If China does not do it, Japan will be ethnically replaced by jeets.Taking in account the stuff Americans tend to push in the colonies, this be unironically true. How many times Americans have hinted on this?
>>545014160Yeah I think in a way. It wouldn't be a morally bad thing for China to do something like that. Maybe less justification than before because the west isn't brutalising asians now like they did back then.But I would still oppose it because I prefer Japanese culture/leadership.
>>545014249>But I would still oppose it because I prefer Japanese culture/leadership.Japan is a colony, it has no leadership, and its culture has been heavily Westernized. China should liberate Japan.
>>545014244>>545014249Its either Chinese led Empire or total jeet replacement. Japanese culture will also be replaced with Chinese culture, Japanese language erased. But such is the price of standing up to Western powers and the grim jeet future. That's actually liberating.
Depends. They sure did rape though.
>>545014220Japan needs to kick out western powers and if the jeet situation gets worse then China would be justified in invading. Ethnicity is the no.1 most important thing. If you don't have your own tribe you will be destroyed and raped.If Russia invaded Ukraine on the pretext of freeing Slavic girls from human trafficking by Epstein kikes instead of muh denazification, maybe Id support them.
>>545010524fuck no. japan has imperial aspirations and were willing to do countless crimes against humanity to take over vast swathes of asia. they already had a puppet state called manchukuo
>>545010524Japan absolutely fucked up their occupation of Malaysia so no, they're just morons who played the colonial game badly
>>545014352*had* imperial aspirations
>>545014307>>545014312are you the same AI bot?
>>545014352>manchukuoAbout Manchukou, the puppet leader the Japanese put as "emperor of China", Puyi, was later sent to a PRC gulag for reeducation, and said it was an improvement over the life he had under the Japanese.
>>545011828You asked.
>>545014352>muh empire badyou have an empire too. an empire built on child rape.
>>545014178They occupied some stuff when Russia had their civil war but they only took half of sakhalin which was never really Russian anyway.
>>545010524no
>>545014343>and if the jeet situation gets worseNo "ifs". Jeet future or Chinese future. And Japan does not get to choose, China can just invade, kill a few million people and then culturally cleanse Japan. But Japanese should be welcoming them as liberators, because they are their fellow Asian brothers, liberating them from the Western jeet future.
>>545014402>sent to a PRC gulag for reeducation>said it was an improvement over the life he had under the Japanesewell that would do it lol
>>545014413>which was never really Russian anyway.The only way to cope and claim the Japanese didn't take land from their WW1 ally, Russia.
>>545014383Is this really the best retort you can do? Seriously? Disappointing. Might call me Indian as well for good measure.
>>545014432Even if they kill a good 10% of Japan and rape everygirl they can, that's a small price to pay for pan-Asian liberation.
>>545014432The jeet situation isn't bad enough to justify it yet dude. I hope a european country wakes up and liberates europe though because they are demographically fucked.Also I don't know the specifics but the Japanese military did fumble a lot and cause too many casualties.
>>545010559fpbp
>>545014505That's the price every Japanese should be willing to pay to get freedom from jeets and jews. Empires are good anyway as long as they are pan-Asian.
>>545014505a lot of that shit is propaganda. CIA and PRC. they need to present the winners as the good guys. Japanese loved Chinese people.
>>545014512>The jeet situation isn't bad enough to justify it yet dude.The jeet situation in Japan today is far worse than anywhere in Eastern Asia in the 1930s
>>545014512>The jeet situation isn't bad enough to justify it yet dude.No, it is just as bad as it was in China in 1931. Was justified back then, so should be justified now too.
>>545014470They were never really allies especially not allies when the Soviets ruled at this point. The only reason Japan joined WWI was because they wanted to steal German colonies which they successfully did.Dirty rats had no right to steal our land.
>>545014563CIA and other US miliary, and PRC, and KGB and other Russians, and North Koreans, and South Koreans, and Philipinians, and Viets, and Laosians, and Cambodians, and the Portuguese in Macau, and the British in HK, singapore, and the people of Taiwan... everyone who had contact with Japanese tell the same story.
>>545014544>muh propagandaback then the nanking massacre was actually a US/UK bombardment of chinese peoplethen the cia/prc ramped up the masturbation machine propaganda
>>545014604>Dirty rats had no right to steal our land.Btu they had the right to steal Russian land, right?
>>545010524lol
>>545014626>mind raped by propagandai dont need some brown guy to regurgitate lies that the jews have put in his brain
>>545010524no idea
>>545014642No I don't think so
>>545014682Even local partisans fighting on Japan's side confirm these things. There's a reason why Japanese simply don't talk about the subject after the war...
>>545014638Does not matter, there is no war crime Japanese people would not endure for the sake of being liberated from jews and jeets. Today Japan's number one objective is submitting to Chinese liberation no matter how brutal it may be because the only alternative is ethnic replacement with jeets. Even if 20% of Japanese parish, it is but a small price compared to being 100% replaced by jeets.
>>545014718>mind raped brown guy
>>545014733you're trying too hard buddy
>>545014778Mate, I am just using your own logic against you and somehow you are not liking it one bit.
>>545014778He's right, by your logic. If anything you're a traitor if you don't support what he's saying, while keeping Japan under Western occupation and about to be jeeted.
>>545010524No. Imagine if the guys responsible for all the strangers danger bulletins around Japanese trains and playgrounds were commanding an army that rolled Asia so thoroughly that local civilian populations became their playthings. This was the Japanese Imperial Army.
>>545010594>Ok but isn't that still preferable for the overall potential of Asia to be ruled by Asians?Some asians thought so but then the japanese turned out to be 10x worse.
>>545014813>>545014827thats not what im saying though, youre being retarded
>>545014778So why did Japan threaten to invade the only free country in Asia(Thailand) beside Japan?
>>545014410and it's bad. child rape is bad. no shit.empires are bad. capitalism is bad. yes.
>>545014877You are saying Japan was justified in invading China to erase Western influence in Asia in 1931/1937. But you are against China invading Japan to erase Western influence in Asia in 2026. How does that make sense to you? Especially since Western influence over Japan is disproportionally higher today compared to Western influence over China in 1931.>I conquer you and build an Asian empire - fine, desirable, good>You conquer me and build an Asian empire - bad, unfair, unjustifiedMake up your mind. Or just admit you don't care about pan-Asianism and just want to have a bigger empire.
>>545014914im not a history expert but a video i watched on youtube said it was to get passage to invade malaya. the Thai king was convinced by the british to block Japan until Japan invaded which changed his mind.
>>545015012You're putting words in my mouth. Empires are good and a pan-asian empire makes sense in a world where Empires dominate. We don't have Empires post-ww2 the world has moved on.Answer me this, are you one of those people who thinks invasion and conquest is always bad? Are you one of those woke libtard reddit guys?
>>545015089China does not need to annex Japan into their Empire. They can just install a pro-Chinese administration, put their military bases in Japan and kick out americans. Sounds good, right?
>>545015170Life is a competition, the strong and good must dominate the weak and evil.
>>545015028Thai king didn't do anything he is a puppetYou mean the dictator that rule the countryand he was not convinced by the British he just didn't want to join the war on either sideuntil Japan threaten to invade that is so he has to join JapanThe truth is you drag entire Asia into the war because you want a bigger empire to feel less insecure about European empire sizeThat's perfectly ok tho we don't really carewhat i don't understand is why do you pretend to be a savior of AsiaAll we want is just our land back from the European which is why we go to war with French Indochina before you even come to southeast Asia
>>545015192Glad we've moved past the pan-Asian and jeet replacement bullshit and settled on "might makes right".
>>545015206oh yes, the dictator.says here he promised passage for Japan but decided to follow British instructions later:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpBGUC8OjE4>why do you pretend to be a savior of Asiabecause Japan was, even if it was only half on purpose. the dutch still tried to get the colonies back after ww2 by force.
>>545015232not mutually exclusive. you're dumb.
>>545015316And yet it was your only retort to this >>545015012When driven into a corner you just went with "well, we were stronger, so its justified". Which ironically also means China should also be conquering you today, cause they are stronger now.
>>545015414Weak and evil leaders allow foreigners to abuse their population, so its better they get taken over.China isn't strong enough though. Even if they somehow managed to take the islands we would resist until they lost power.
>>545015499>we would resist until they lost powerWhy? They are liberating you from a jewish jeet future.
>>545015544because we can do it ourselves. thats what happened in asia anyway. japan liberated, the individual asian countries asserted their existence as a people and the outcome is what we see today.
>>545015303British instruction?more like thisthe truth is its not our war and you drag us inyou are not the good guy in WW2 and that's okThe strong do what they can and shitJust stop with the we wuz protector of Asia crapour country were aware of European threat before your country was forced open by the American
>>545015625although some still have problems with the jeets the british brought in
>>545015625>because we can do it ourselvesYou have 120 American military bases in your country. More than any other country on Earth, except for America itself.
>>545015642>any Thai acquiescence to Japanese military transit...Britain would be forced to take "suitable steps"That sounds like a threat.Japan needed to get passage to liberate other countries. Maybe there are no real good guys but I think Japan and Germany were liberators from the international banking system.
>>545015659Russia is 15% muslim. That's appaling. Putin kissed the Koran. Are you ok bro?
>>545015745>deflectionAgain, not even sad. Just disappointing.
>>545015722not siding with the British but we don't want to side with you eitherliberate my assGermany at least try to get rid the Jews thoyou don't even do thatIf anything its the Jews that financed you
>>545015775Japan is one of the most ethnically pure nations on earth.>15% churkawow
>>545012679>The British Empire was spamming jeets all over SEA to ethnically replace native people with jeets.Replace British Empire with Israel, and it's literally still the same today...
>>545015832not you but:>indonesia>burma>malaysia>east timor>brunei>vietnam>cambodia>laosliberated
>>545015888well yeah, our modern world is a continuation of back then because the bankers won WW2.
>>545015891We were there with youThat's the problem, the whole liberation justification fall flat because you treat them even worse than the fucking European you liberated them from you are down right savages in behaviorYou also don't try to get rid of the Jewish bankers you just want those banker to move to Japan and make you a super power unlike Germany who at least want to get rid of themJust admit that you want bigger empire and be ruler of Asia because why not?I would respect you much more than this lame ass we wuz liberator crapJust owned up to your action?
>>545016069Japan did not try to ethnically replace any SEA nation with jeets so that's bullshit.You're not Thai and I'm not Japanese, cut the BS.
>>545016134typicalthis mindset is why i respect modern Chinese more than modern Japaneseall Japanese do now is just feel sorry for themselfJapanese back in WW2 wouldn't care about this liberation narrative bullshit they just want to conquer in the name of the emperor to create great nippon empire
>>545010524Nips are just chink-jeet fuck-babies put on a stretched island. What they were pathetically trying to do back then is basically the same thing jeets are doing right now.
>>545010559vs the British colonisers that tried to replace east Asians with pajeet scumJapanese colonialism is based
>>545010524Lol? They mainly fucked around with China but China wasn’t colonized? Korea was under them too and they weren’t colonized by Europe. Only a few SEA countries like Philippines (who was promised freedom anyways), Indo, Malay, Lao, Camb, Burma were under control but I doubt that was what Japan wanted. They just wanted their resources to fund their useless war against China.
