wait... do atheists actually believe god is an old man sitting on a cloud? THAT is who they're saying isn't real?
>>545041186May I see this god?
yeah, they really are that stupid
>>545041186>do atheists actually believe godNo.
>>545041186Yes most atheists view everything through a materialistic secular lense. That is why they are usually no easier to manipulate and control than the "far right" Christians they constantly criticize.
>>545041309you can't even tell me what you think god is, but you'll know it when you see it? lmao
>>545041186From what I've seen then say, 'atheists' are agnostics disabled from considering a 5th dimensional theory of mind, let alone up past 8d. >>545041309You're in HIM.You imagine the sin, and then abuse the light (HIM) to perform the sin --again, doubling down on your will to avoid HIS council.The athiest believes he beloeves he is not an agnostic, because he is busy rejecting the idea that determinism and probablistic stochasticism may easily exist in parallel, because these are shadows of the true nature of things from which we are disabled from wholly writing the laws of (P=NP). Again, because of our being frame locked to 3d/4d+. Authorship outside of the limitations of linear time are beyond the imaginations of the lay atheist. Even though the evidence of this is all over and testable even by you individually just through meditation (measuring) / prayer / observation / reading. Atheists feel they need to spurn The Lord God because he does not simply write his name on their hearts. They feel this free-dominion of free-will strong delusion is a ridiculous game-theory that they should be able to intuit as midwits.When Moshe came down from the Mount and his face was glowing from seeing as much as the Holiest of Men are able to, it freaked the Jews out quite badly, it was terrifying to them. Witnessing The Lord God's hand is indistinguishable from Terror to the idolatrous reprobates and those of lukewarm faith.
>>545042214>disabled from considering a 5th dimensional theory of mind, let alone up past 8d.I can make it up, just like you
>>545041309stop being poor and pay us for showing you
>>545041186>do atheists actually believe god is an old man sitting on a cloud?Yeah because that's how he was written. The old sandnigger cavemen who wrote it lived in such an incomprehensibly different dimension to even medieval European serfs, that treating the bible non-literally became the only solution to make it looks somewhat digestible.
>>545041186>It's like those miserable psalms. They're so depressing. Now knock it off.
>>545042338See what I mean by midwits? Anything beyond Cartesianism (driving a car a to b) is determined to be fanciful! 300 level maths courses are just dismissed off-hand by allegedly serious persons.Hylics can't fully imagine the undergrad coursework of any of the hard sciences! They can't make sense of their own sense making apparatus, and do not care to try!
>>545043728>a whole paragraph of personal feelings Seems like I'm right over the target
>>545041186Well that’s how the holy books describe him.
>>545041186>DEUS VULT
Last I checked the Bible has God coming down from heaven to check out what's going on in Sodom and Gomorrah, he's afraid that humans might build a Tower tall enough to reach up into heaven, he physically descends to talk to Moses up on Mt. Sinai, his spirit descends to inhabit the Ark of the Covenant, offerings typically need to be burnt so that the smoke goes up into heaven where its fragrance may please the Lord, Elijah got taken up into heaven in a fiery whirlwind, Isaiah and/or Ezekiel had crazy visions of angelic beings descending from heaven to talk to them, Isaiah has God sitting on a throne "above the circle of the Earth", Jesus physically rises up into heaven and in the end-times he's supposed to come down on the clouds leading the heavenly host. On top of that major christian fan-fic such as the Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost have heaven physically located up in the clouds and St. Augustine literally argues in "City of God" that souls, being lighter than the 4 elements fire, air, water and earth end up physically ascending above the visible sky, ergo that's where heaven physically is. >Bu-bu that's all not supposed to be taken literally!You are the ones who want to build young-earth creation museums with dioramas of Adam and Eve riding T-rexes or some shit and use single isolated passages of scripture to justify your draconian political agendas. Fuck off.
>>545041309>covered in blood samples showing signs of someone who suffered extreme torture and blood loss>feet covered in Jerusalem limestone>embedded pollen from area of Levant>linen samples matching ones found at Siege of Masada ~60 AD>2 micrometer thick 3 dimensional imprint on topmost surface layers of linen, that when topographized literally just look like a photograph, far beyond the capabilities of any Renaissance, much less Antiquity, artist to recreate>entire history of Shroud lines up with history of Image of Edessa from the classical east, right down to obscure, tiny details such as specific patterns of burn holes appearing in other Orthodox renditions in the 11th, 9th, earlier centuries. refuting the initial dating to medieval times>early fragments of apocryphal writings quoted by Church Fathers as far back as 200 AD reference Jesus's burial shroud actually being given and moved around by the Church before being hidden and kept safe, establishing historical awareness/precedent of the artifact>the earliest Orthodox icons of Jesus line up exactly with the facial features of the Shroud; the Orthodox icon still used today of Jesus's face lines up exactly with when the original image of Edessa was taken out of its hiding spot and made public again in 554 >wound up being publicly known in France a century and a half after a Crusader reported seeing the shroud of Jesus in Constantinople before it disappeared in the sacking of 1204>only recreated a few years ago, in a laser lab where an incredibly intense, short burst of laser/radiation copied the already known information from the shroud to copy it>God literally took a photograph in 1st century AD so His Church would have His face for the icons
>>545043830Are you really arguing that a hypercube is born by my feelings relative to you, because you don't understand?Moral Relativism is ideological Lay Satanism, Jeet.
>>545041186Athiests are saying that fear of an omnipotent god is not morality. Morality is doing the right thing no matter what. Christians will rape tour kids cover it up and ask for forgivness. Christianity is an excuse for worse behavior. Christians force mothers to die in child birth. Jesus starves ans bombs children with conservatives help. Not to mention since Christianity is now a political force that can be voted against Jesus is cheapened like that charlatan he is. We say that if the bible is true it has been so distorted by the church that christcucks will be the first to burn. They knew better and still treated the foreigner like trash. The praised him but let the poor starve. Them made such a mockery of the religion that Athiests will never follow god because Christians are the worst people on earth. As a staunch athiest, if I am faced with judgment I will gladly say that for my family I chose a higher path.
>>545044695>Jesus's face lines up exactlySure doesn't, art analysts point out that a flat burial cloth draped over a three-dimensional human head and body would normally create severe lateral distortion, stretching, and flattening (much like rolling a painted face onto a flat surface or a bas-relief). On the Shroud, the face appears relatively well-proportioned, elongated, and symmetrical, traits that more closely resemble medieval artistic conventions of the 13th and 14th centuries than a direct contact print of a corpse
>>545044963>Are you really arguing that a hypercube is born by my feelingsIt's relation to a personal "God" is.
>>545041309be careful for what you wish for
>>545044695Mental illness
>>545041186You believe that the absolute One, The God, makes deals with the flesh?
>>545045259You shitskins genuinely think RECURSION is 'emotional terrorism' with a white face.
>>545045698>maybe this strawman will work!
>>545044318>everything i know about god comes from a bookthere's your problem, retard
>>545041186YHVH was real but he was an Unclean Spirit defeated by the Romans inside his own temple in 70 AD
>>545041186Do you have a photo of him proving otherwise?
>>545046874>prove god isn't a man in the cloudslmao holy fucking shit
>>545045474Sure just give 10% of your income to the child raping burocracy of the clergy and you get some heaven.
>>545041186We did not come up with that depiction. Also, there is no such thing as "god" in abstract. There are only specific gods of the various religions. The Jew god has often been depicted as a man in the sky, definitely a man of some sort though rather than some eldritch entity.
>>545045970I may not straw man your pretending to not understand, because that is not an argument.>But look, my shit colored skin persists! Despite all the white man's words!Indeed it does, daughter of Satan.
>>545047838>Also, there is no such thing as "god" in abstract.holy fuck it's so much worse than i thought
God might be real but if he is, I guarantee you will learn nothing about him by reading the book of the Jews
>4chan Christoids think God is a kike nailed to drift woodsuper cringe you niggers
>>545047848>I may not straw manBut you did.I'm Whiter than you
>>545047913What does it even mean to believe in something with no specified properties. What is the abstract god? Its meaningless. I conceptualize atheism as the lack of belief in any specific sky wizard.
>>545041407i thought you were joking but there's way too many of them here basically saying god is a man on a cloud. it's like a form of autism. or not being able to visualize an apple.
>>545048373Everything you imagine is a black dick because you're a faggot
>>545048328>abstract things have no properties and things with no properties are meaninglessbro you are fucking cooked
>>545048373God is a politcal tool, always has been. Science will build the tools. Religion will use them to destroy things.
>>545041309depends on whether you believe the part of the bible that says no man has seen god, or the part that says a man saw god.
>>545041186atheists and midwits strawman God as a white bearded man sitting on a cloud, these are depictions to help children learn about God and grow to learn the truth. too bad most catholics worship depictions of jesus using the holy trinity as a scapegoat for idol worship.
>>545041186Yes nigger, you're the ones who've been saying exactly that.
The post is a common low effort gotcha. No serious atheist thinks the Christian God is literally an old man with a beard floating on a cloud. That image is folk art and Sunday school simplification. The actual claim atheists reject is the classical theistic one: an eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent personal being who created the universe, intervenes in history, became incarnate as Jesus, and will judge the living and the dead.Christian theology from the Church Fathers through Aquinas and the Reformation is far more abstract than the cartoon. It still rests on revelation, miracles, and the historical claims about Jesus. Those are the parts that fail under scrutiny for anyone who treats evidence the same way they treat every other extraordinary claim.
>>545048498Abstract things can have properties, but the abstract god has none, its just a word. It holds zero useful meaning.
>>545048498Nit as cooked as the Christians who voted to turn away the foreigner and blow up children. I would trust my children with a logical gay man over a christian any day. Like an evil entity from lore jesus is the trickster hoping to solicit your sould and rape your kids. Lookat how all those despotic Christians voted for Trump.
>>545041186Why did you call illiterate American Christians atheists?99% of americans believe the childrens version of the bible
>>545048695>No serious atheist thinks the Christian God is literally an old man with a beard floating on a cloud.*sound of goalposts flying across the map*>>545048697>the abstract god has no propertiesso if i name a property that virtually everyone would agree belongs to the concept of an abstract god, you'll burn your fedora on livestream?
>>545048776>I would trust my children with a logical gay man over a christian any day. Like an evil entity from lore jesus is the trickster hoping to solicit your sould and rape your kidsJesus would never, he only loved young children for their naivety, stole away many boys from their families into his cult, and was arrested with a naked boy late at night, and he was jewish...
>>545049177>sound of goalposts flying across the map*That's not what's happening >>545049177>so if i name a property that virtually everyone would agree belongs to the concept of an abstract god, you'll burn your fedora on livestream?You missed the "useful meaning" part.
>>545049356>but the abstract god has nonewhat does "has none" mean here, retard?
>>545049438It means nothing lol
>>545041186God is a nice man who gives me suitcases full of oreos and a pat on the head hair scruff
>>545041350>>545041341Godless losers. I can guarantee you're ugly
>>545049575>I can guaranteeNothing more than your personal feelings and opinions :^)
>>545041943God told me to tell you to go fuck yourself.God really does have perfect wisdom.
>>545041943if god isn't obviously recognizable as god why would you call it that?
>>545041186They have a problem with conceiving of an omnipotent power. I think it's just an inability to understand something so glorious?
>>545049677he's asking for a jpg of god dummy
>>545049869can you not provide one. why not?
>>545048270>I'm whiter than youHave you not seen every superjeet rest on this exact same argument? You don't have a theory of mind for anything wiser than you, this is the trap (dunning-kruger) of midwitism. Recursion is a skill check on your IQ that midwits are categorically disabled from engaging. This is why indians are bad programmers, and every other brand of shitskin requires babysitting by things they do not understand. >>545048776Infinity shitskins is an invasion you turd. Not the rare traveller who braved being caught by highwaymen. Capitalism riding infinity irish and worse on hydrocarbon powered ships is an act of war. The problem is that shitkins cannot not be disingenuous because they have no theory of mind, which is to say recursion. They are technically disabled from keeping Christ's commandment.Previous wicked generations felt that by just giving The Law to those who may not understand, would magically uplift them. This experiment of course is a failure as Christ says;>THE POOR WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU.This does not interpret that you have a freedom to associate with white societies in order to loot them.Shitskins are cargo cultists to a fault who genuinely believe there is a fountain of white prosperity which may be shared with low trust monkey troops. Of course monkeys think that way. Only the white man may have a theory of mind for the locust horde, and shitskins want to say this is the original sin: Noticing.The daily life of the hylic is to avoid the council of The Lord God. >Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?>Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?--Pearls before swine.
>>545047203You can easily disprove half part of this>god is an old manBy producing his photo
>>545050238>Have you not seen every superjeet rest on this exact same argument?No, and neither have you You make up red herrings just like trannies do though
>>545049891>using a finite arrangement of rgb pixels, facilitate a profound, realigning spiritual experience that i am definitely not receptive to having. ha checkmate dumbassit's amateur hour in here today
>>545050469go eat some mushrooms if you want a ' profound, realigning spiritual experience' retard
Christian art depicts him that way repeatedly, what's your science fiction explanation of where God is now that we know he isn't on top of some mountain or flying through the sky?
>>545041186>do atheist's believe god...no
>>545042214nigger personal experience isn't evidence>meditation (measuring)lol, lmao even
>>545050611>i give up defending the guy who wanted a jpg of godlol that was easy
>>545050741>thinks "believe god is" is "believe in god"you can't even read lol
>>545050880retard
>>545043728if your math doesn't actually cash out at any point you are just wanking with numberslogically consistent =/= accurate to realitythere's a few extra steps lol
>>545050938>i gotta have the last word!!
>>545044318>St. Augustine literally argues in "City of God" that souls, being lighter than the 4 elements fire, air, water and earth end up physically ascending above the visible sky, ergo that's where heaven physically is>Above the visible sky So, not on a cloud in other words.Is this an ESL issue?
look at the christian love in this thread
>>545050975retard
>>545049263Tell that to the catholic church. Or the mormons with child brides. Or the wintnesses who require 2 witnesses to beleive a child when they say they were raped.I could just post the dozens of Christian clergy convicted of child molestation. The ones who actually got reported thst is.Seems like the common factor is Jesus.If the men of his cloth rape my kids I want nothing to do with him. Shame on you for suppporting it.
>>545041186I just don’t think god is realYours or the ones in India or tuvalu or wherever Hope that clears things up op
>>545044973>Athiests are saying that fear of an omnipotent god is not morality. Morality is doing the right thing no matter what.Atheists don't do that though, so what's the point they're trying to make ?
>>545049539Is thst after he puts his PeePee in your butt? If tmnot you don't have the Christian god.
>>545041186No
>>545049628>go fuck yourselfAs in be celibate like a preist.If you cant handle that just rape kids and ask "forgivness" a get out of jail free card.
>>545050982So he's in space?
>>545051002
>>545050924This idiot doesn't get it lol
>>545048328>>545047913It's alright It's okayJesus told me so
>>545048498it's true thoughart can be enjoyable but it is never of any importthe imaginary has no valuenihilism doesn't go far enough, it still accepts 'meaninglessness' as applied to life that's just as retarded as the false associations nihilism claims to stand against, but then goes on to reify the broken 'why' questions anywayall religion and most philosophy is nothing but retardation put to prose
>>545050630Who cares?God is a salve for fear of death at best. A politcal tool to protect pedophiles at worst.
>>545041186They also think that jacking off into another man's asshole is the same thing as real sex.The two concepts are related according to God.See Romans, chapter one.
>>545051304This
>>545050924both have the same answer for the same reasonsnolol, gods are fake and gay
>>545051311Psalm 137:9: Blesses anyone who seizes Babylonian infants and "dashes them against the rocks," often sparking debate over ancient expressions of trauma versus divine morality.Pure evil.
>>545051173What is "space"?If you mean something materialist and retarded like a "God is sitting on the Oort cloud" expansion of the God sitting on a cloud concept, then no.
>>545051279>it's true thoughit's true that abstract things have no properties?try again>>545051385so the answer to "do atheists actually believe god is not real" is "no" because it has the words "atheists believe god is"?goddamn son you're fucking retarded lol
>>545051311Sodomy is bad but God still made humans (and animals) capable of being attracted to the same sex. Truly, what did He mean by this?
>>545051504an....interesting interpretation of my posts lolit's true abstract things are meaninglessas for the linguistic curls you're doing no idea but basically to the atheist gods are fakethey don't existso any question relating to this or that god will be answered from the basis of 'this is fake and gay'
>>545051600all sin is bad, and all men desire to sin. you're really asking why does sin exist if god is good, which is the most basic-bitch theology 101 question and the answer is free will
>>545051423Atheists will pretend to be disgusted by some biblical war crime from four thousand years ago while hand waving away 66 million abortions in the US alone since Roe v. Wade all while giving anyone who expresses concern about that number the fluoride stare.
>>545041186Hey retard, Ezekiel literally describes God as an old man wearing white robes with white hair in a cloud, it's literally from the Old Testament you mouth breathing spurge. Do you think the Bible is lying to you about your own God?
>>545051183lmao retard
>>545049263>But Jesus is a pedophile!!!No.Mark 14:48 >And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief,[G3027] with swords and with staves to take me?The word, that you dishonestly tell us means >‘a trafficker of children for sex’actually means >’a robber, plunderer, freebooter, brigand’.This is clearly not the same thing. You are referring to the word λῃστής - ‘lēstēs’ which comes from the root word ‘leizomai’ which means ‘to plunder.’ It is word number G3027 in the Strong’s Concordance. You have failed, yet again, to indict Jesus Christ as a common criminal like your paymasters.To continue as to the 'child' you refer to:>Mark 14:51-52>And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.Those who laid hold on him were the same jews who arrested Jesus, so if anyone is the pedophile, it is them, same as it is in our day.As to the “certain young man,” it is likely John Mark himself, writer of the book of Mark. This same type of phraseology is used by John when speaking of himself in the books he wrote. He makes no mention of any form of sexual perversion concerning the Lord at any time. It is inserted by the same prurient minds of the people who wanted to murder Jesus. That antichrist spirit is still active today.
>>545051794
>>545041186Yes.
>>545051846>a perfect god created an imperfect creationlol retard
>>545051427Except st Augustine described a physical direction and physical properties of souls, retard
>>545051710>it's true abstract things are meaninglessCan you show me a photograph of gravity.Not something falling.I want you to show me a photograph of a discreet substance of gravity. Gravity must be a substance obviously since abstract things are meaningless, and I hope we can all agree that gravity is not meaningless.
>>545051768No disgusted by Hegseth firing intelligencw that prevents civilian targets. Then the Christians bomb an Iranian girls school. Disgusting.
>>545041186Yes. atheists are hylic/npcs. they only knew literalism
>>545051423>Pure evil.You place yourself above God and sit in judgment of Him.He does not live up to the image you have created for your own ideal god or “universe”.You are an idolater, and a lazy one. You don’t even bother to carve up a block of wood, you simply create a fantasy and try to immerse yourself in it.You complain about all things God does and many things He doesn’t do. It’s almost like you were created to hate Him. Like you are the bad example set forward as a warning to the simple. You kvetch and reee, but you refuse to admit any wrongdoing on your part.God himself says that the damned reject him and will never surrender their pride and change.You prove that.You want nothing to do with God or His heaven.He simply agrees with you and you get mad about it.He made a place for those who hate Him. He will leave you alone, forever. He is light, so it is dark, forever. He is love and comfort, so there is none to be found there, forever.Is God wrong about you?Then simply change your mind. Accept Jesus as your savior. Trust that He died for your sins on the cross, was buried, and rose again, exactly as it had been prophesied.Or...don’t.Either way, accept responsibility for your eternity.You won’t have it any other way.In other words, this...>>545051767>>545051600>Truly, what did He mean by this?Do you not know how to read?>>545051311>See Romans, chapter one.
>>545041309Go outside. Look around. There you go. God is everywhere, part of everything.
>>545051767Yes yes, the ever-beloved free will defense. But why give men (and animals) homosexual thoughts at all? How does that contribute to free will? Because it gives you more options, and more options are a good thing? If that's the case why doesn't God grant me the option to fly? What's the rationale here?
>>545041407They are literalists. They have an inability to grasp that not all Christians/believers are literalists. This is an oddity since they think they understand "truth" as well as grasp the meaning of BEING a Christian.
>>545051994Nonone sins against god more than the Christian, as I stated above. >>545044973The evil of Christianity drives people from god.If your false faith is real you will be the first to burn. You supossedly knew better.
>>545052066>But why give men (and animals) homosexual thoughts at all?because we cant have straight thoughts without it
>>545051952?gravity is a physical effectyou can measure it, it's hardly abstract lol
>>545041186ummm..... no???
>>5450521191 Samuel 15:3: Records God commanding King Saul to completely destroy the Amalekites, including men, women, infants, and livestock.Nothing but a cult of rape and murder.
>>545041943God is Spirit, energy, a creative force. What do YOU think we think he is was the topic. You did a hop over to deflect your own idiocy.
>>545051893>seething so hard he can't even reply to the correct posti mindfucked you bad lmao
>>545052144So Adam didn't feel any attraction to Eve before the Fall?
>>545052101>not all Christians/believers are literalistsdo you believe the magic jew was literally god, or is that one of those non literal things you're trying to handwave?
>>545052273She was his sister or at least daughter.The origional sin of Christianity is incest. Kek
>>545052267retard
>>545041186>atheists actually believeLol wut?
>>545052101>not all Christians/believers are literalists.Those who are not are Israel supporting liberals with rainbow flags so I guess orthodox christians are right.Imagine my cognitive dissonance from orthodox christians being both based and literal believers.
>>545052359ok just keep bumping the thread, thanks
>>545052424another literal npc lmao >>545050924
Christcucks think god is 3 different entities that are separate but also the same. Such high levels of mental illness
>>545052440I've tried reporting these jew worship threads but that never does anything. laughing at you retarded filth in a 2nd tab when I have this on autoupdate is fine by me. retard
>>545052521ok cool story thanks for the bump
>>545052503god is a dead jew without a foreskin... who are we to say its not true?
>>545052476you are a damning indictment of the american education system
>>545052564kill yourself jew worshiper
>>545052273didnt exist as in it wasn't known, like shame was not known, therefor did not manifest. my turn, is eden a real place? was it on earth? was Adam a real human and even made from his rib? is that what you believe?
>>545051902>Except st Augustine described a physical direction and physical properties of souls, retardWhat does that have to do with God not sitting on the Oort cloud?Also I find it interesting that the only place the Jesus was a Jew, and you worship a JEWISH God slander never shows up when Christianity is discussed is in metaphysical threads like this that only cherry pick from easily mocked Christian folk traditions.You'd think that this thread would be full of references to Jewish mystical traditions and their seven levels of the heavens which extend beyond the sun moon and stars (only actually the second level of the heavens). You know, because "kike on a stick" and all that.
>>545052605when jesus was talking to adam in the garden did he have a foreskin?
>>545052579>guy who says it's true that abstract things have no properties thinks he's educatedlmao dunning kruger in full effect>>545052589hell yeah right on bump bro
>>545041186>do atheists actually believe god is aNo, LACK of belief in deities does NOT mean "believe god is something/someone".
>>545052643>What does that have to do with God not sitting So what location did st Augustine did mean then? Enlighten us christcuck anon
>>545052723damn bro that's crazy thanks for the bump tho
>>545051970Sorry I couldn't quite hear you over sounds of all those suction machines slurping fetal chunks out of the wombs of atheistic (oop, I meant "spiritual" which is totally different and not the same thing) modern women around the clock.
>>545052677im not a Catholic or Christian, I am in love with our father God in heaven.
>>545052605>didnt exist as in it wasn't known,Yes but those were definitely straight thoughts. Just because there wasn't a word for it then doesn't mean the word we have now isn't accurate. Homosexual thoughts were introduced into this system, necessitating the straight/gay split to begin with. Again, what purpose does this serve if God detests it so much?>Is that what you believe?No. I don't believe the story of Eden happened in any form.
>>545052827sasuga retard
>>545041186That's what he does in the bible. While the jews were wandering around the desert for forty years, God was following them covered by a cloud. The gods used to live on Mt. Olympus, then in the clouds just above our heads. He keeps getting abstracted because it's become painfully obvious that he doesn't exist in any way that matters.
>>545052890>yaweh during the exodus
>>545052688>that abstract things have no propertiesthey lack spatial and temporal properties (such as a physical location or a point in time) and causal powers (the ability to act on or change other things).Which goes back to>>545048328>Its meaningless
>>545052795>So what location did st Augustine did mean then? He meant heaven retard.Not the literal fucking sky.You think nobody in thousands of years noticed that when they looked up into the clouds there wasn't a giant bearded old man sitting up there? You think St. Augustine never looked up in the sky and noticed there was no City of God floating around like a soap bubble wafting on a summer breeze?What do you think is more likely ?That St. Augustine never looked up noticed that you can't see a City of God up in the sky, or that you're just wrong about where he thought heaven was located?
>>545052864its all story, euphemism, etc.. he had straight thoughts because the were the only thoughts at the time, gay thoughts didnt exist yet and they were the only two humans able to manifest their thoughts so no one knew anything other than straight thoughts so gay thoughts didnt exist yet in manifest but did in how everything works. speaking of which you cannot have straight thoughts without gay thoughts it doesnt work like having white without black or up without down, its the basis of this duality relativity system were are in right now. there was no physical garden with some broad that accepted a fruit from a snake and ate it with Adam and got all the knowledge, it has more to do with men being the everything and women being the nothing.
>>545053137everybody knows the heavens are in the sky... where else would they be? in the ground?
are atheists more obsessed with religousfags or is it the other way around ?
>>545052890>The gods used to live on Mt. Olympus,The gods always seemed to live on mountains. Yahweh supposedly on Temple Mount (not much of a mountain).>While the jews were wandering around the desert for forty years, God was following them covered by a cloud.No. The jew demon was actually in the Tabernacle, their special god tent. Did he stay there voluntarily? Did the kikes figure out how to trap him in the tent? I don't know. But that's where he was.>>545048776>I would trust my children with a logical gay man over a christian any day.You don't have any children, but if you and your ennby non-girl got pregnant because you were too cheap for rubbers and your pullout game's weak, you definitely won't have any grandchildren once xhe troons him out.>Like an evil entity from lore jesus is the trickster hoping to solicit your sould and rape your kids.I'm no christian, but you're a tard. There were only ever 4 stories told about Jesus by anyone who ever met him, and 2 of those are cribbed off the others. Only one's even plausibly a reality-adjacent testimony... in it, he isn't resurrected, doesn't claim to be god, and definitely isn't a kiddy-diddler. You like to make up stupid shit and then pretend that it has any factual basis.
>>545052863Gaaaaay!
>>545053137Disingenuous retard, what exactly do you think physical means in this statement:>end up physically ascending above the visible sky
>>545041186There are likely many Gods
>>545053494Other way around, at least on /pol/
>>545052224Gravity is not a physical effect anon, it is a fundamental force. I want you to show me a photo of that fundamental force. Not a photo of the physical effects of that force, I want a photo of the force itself.>Hurr you can measure gravity.You're not measuring gravity, you're measuring its effect on other things. By your logic I can measure God by measuring the effect that people's faith in God has on society.
>>545053242>speaking of which you cannot have straight thoughts without gay thoughts it doesnt work like having white without black or up without down,Okay, but the opposite of 'straight' isn't 'gay' it's 'not straight.' Those sound the same but they aren't. For example, Adam could have just not held any attraction for Eve at all, not because he's into men, but because he's not into women. So the fact he felt attracted to her at all means he had straight thoughts.
>>545053819eeehm nomagnetism, the weak, the strong, ectthose are fundamental forcesgravity is an effect of mass
>>545053819>By your logic I can measure God by measuring the effect that people's faith in God has on society.Doesn't follow. There's only effects that gravity can produce. "Faith" is limited to.God, nor are its "effects"
>>545053819>By your logic I can measure God by measuring the effect that people's faith in God has on society.And... how do you do that? What does it mean to measure how faith impacts society? What's the unit of measurement? Crosses per square mile?
>>545053670>What exactly do you think physical means in this statement:Considering the he believed the soul was incorporeal I think he meant something fundamentally different than your materialist conception of "physically ascending above the visible sky". By the way are those your words or his?
>>545053957>Faith" isnt* limited to God
>>545053911I think the best we have is sodomy, acts that do not lead to creation to be the opposite of straight. Adam was attracted to eve because there was no one else, no concept of ugly so whatever he thought of her was good and beautiful, it would look different with the concept of ugly introduced and relativity but with just them two he only had good thoughts, also he listened to his dad who said to go multiply.
>>545054189>Crosses per square mile?You say that mockingly, but yes that's a fantastic elementary school science fair method for physically measuring the effect of faith in God on reality.
>>545048614Behold the hyper-intelligent atheist that cannot understand basic concepts of the Christian faith.
>>545054315>I think the best we have is sodomy, acts that do not lead to creation to be the opposite of straight.Does that include abstaining from sex, too? Did Jesus ever fuck a woman? If not then per this definition He too would be a sodomite.
>>545054407Christians don't either. Or there wouldn't be over 30k different divisions with their own intrepetations
>>545053935>eeeehm noEeeehm yes
>>545054358Well no, it doesn't, because more crosses isn't correlated with more faith. If it was, then a tornado destroying a bunch of Christian properties -- and the crosses inside them -- would lower crosses per square mile, therefore lowering faith, even though no one's faith was shaken from the experience.
>>545053957>There's only effects that gravity can produce. "Faith" is not limited to.God, nor are its "effects"Nor are the measurable effects that gravity produces limited to gravity.
>>545053494I don't have knowledge of religious creatures and thus never think of such, let alone talk about them - but here on /pol/ I've shockingly found out they invent LIES about irreligious people; they're literally LIARS constantly posting false threads like gossipping weak women!
>>545054663>Well no, it doesn't, because more crosses isn't correlated with more faith. Of course it is.>If it was, then a tornado destroying a bunch of Christian properties -- and the crosses inside them -- would lower crosses per square mile, therefore lowering faith, even though no one's faith was shaken from the experienceCrosses are the measurable effect of the phenomenon, not the phenomenon itself. Destroying crosses has no more influence on faith, than erasing footprints in the sand has an influence on the mass of the person that made them.
If God is metaphysical, why would I expect any empirical evidence could capture him?
>>545041186>wait... do atheists actually believe god is an old man sitting on a cloud? THAT is who they're saying isn't real?>G-dPrecisely why we just don’t say that word. Since words are a way of pointing, all names are erroneous representations. If you require a name, you therefore negate all divine representations. All knowledge of the Good is negated by a name that can never represent that. This became common practice for people who wanted to elevate their tribal deity to supreme status. It is very easy to conflate both practices because it appears the same to a person who doesn’t understand the law of names. That is why when you ask these people to clarify what they are saying, they appear no different than a person who does not believe what they are saying. Atheists and blasphemers are epistemologically the same. They have no disagreement
Atheists believe in>900 genders>men getting pregnant>taking 40 vax shots for a non-lethal flu
>>545055029>well he's also uhh physical he just stopped showing up after he returned to heaven heh >but he'll totally come back trust us guys!!!
>>545054900>Crosses are the measurable effect of the phenomenon, not the phenomenon itself.You can't measure it if the total amount of crosses in the world can change for any number of reasons unrelated to people's faith. It's like a function that can give two outputs for the same one input. If for Y amount of faith you can get X and X+1 crosses in the world, then it's not a unit of measurement.
>>545053494>are atheists more obsessed with religousfags or is it the other way around ?The entire identity of the atheist is hating on Christianity (you can add jews to that list, but that's only because atheists are leftists and leftists hating jews is very new). You will never see atheists badmouth Muslims.
Atheism vs religion reasoning in a nutshell
>>545055182See >>545055097
>>545055216The real atheism has not been tried yet.
>>545052643OK, how about God taking offense at someone building a tower that reached the heavens in Genesis?
>>545055258>The real atheism has not been tried yet.It's real right now. And anti-science nonsense is what atheists believe in.
>>545055275Can you at least admit the "prove it - here it is" approach makes more sense than "prove it - wah it's invisible you prove it's not" approach
>>545054459>Does that include abstaining from sex, too?no sodomy is sexual pleasure with no chance of procreation, abstaining results in no pleasure. masturbation is tricky too but ventures into lust category.
>>545041186Atheists are retarded and see Gods universe as some random collection of data that they categorize under science because their materialists. Matter is literally condensed light kek. They are the most retarded cattle you will ever meet, their hubris and arrogance unmatched.
>>545055345>Can you at least admit the "prove it - here it is" approach makes more sense than "prove it - wah it's invisible you prove it's not" approachSure. Prove to me that 900 genders exist. Prove to me that a 6'5" male is physically equal to a 5'3" woman on the soccer field.
>>545055394>Gods universeProofs? Maybe it's the spaghetti monsters universe
>>545055510>spaghetti monstersHoly r3ddit.
>>545055374>no sodomy is sexual pleasure with no chance of procreationAnon you gave me a completely different definition of sodomy like twenty minutes ago. Like no offense but are you just making all this up as you go?
>>545055171as a matter of fact I was watching this hawkins vs muslims debate the other day on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Xn60Zw03A
>>545055527So no proofs then I presume?
>>545055547oh shit I did? where? sorry, Ill clear things up.
>>545055170I never said it was a perfect measurement, I said it was an elementary school science fair method for measuring faith as a concrete number.>You can't measure it if the total amount of crosses in the world can change for any number of reasons unrelated to people's faith. Can you give me an example of # reason why the number of Christian crosses in the world would increase that is not related to an increase in demand for Christian crosses?Let's remove ambiguity though by changing crosses for churches. Wouldn't you agree that the number of churches in a region is strongly correlates with the number of Christians that exists or has existed in that region at some point in time? If each Christian produces at least one abstracted unit of faith is that not a rough measurement for Christian faith, since demand for churches correlates with Christians which then must inherently correlate with faith?
>>545055589Ah yes, Dawkins.>cries about how evil Christianity is for 30 years>endless brown immigration in UK starts>Dawkins is now "oh shit, my country is ruined">he starts screaming "I'M A CULTURAL CHRISTIAN!" "WE NEED LESS IMMIGRATION!"Too late bro. "The God Delusion" barely touched on Islam, but maybe he will write "God Delusion 2.0", but I doubt it. And atheists have cast Dawkins out because of his views on browns and trans.
>>545041186Nah, atheists aren't a homigenous group in the same sense "everybody else" isn't a group with shared characteristics.
>>545055622>So no proofs then I presume?Nope. But atheists want us to believe in 900 genders without proof.
>>545055398Anon who are you talking about? We're not stand-ins for whatever other atheist you got into a spat with. I don't believe these things, so why would I prove them?
>>545055683>Nah, atheists aren't a homigenous groupOver 90% of atheists took the vax. Atheists are the #1 group to support trans shitl.
No, all ways you can perceive God is what I mean when I say it is fake.
>>545055726>We're not stand-ins for whatever other atheist you got into a spatSee>>545055746Atheists have huge groupthink>I don't believe these things,But most atheists do.
>>545055681you're absolutely right except when you said atheist never badmouth islam
>>545055707>keeps strawmanning like a retard To explain to you like the toddler you are: no, not all atheists believe in 900 genders. So there's no point in defending that position since it's not dogmatic to atheism whatsoever
>>545055707only integrist atheists believe that. normal atheist only believe in a couple dozens if that many
>>545055649Here>>545054315You said that sodomy, i.e. being not straight means doing acts that don't lead to procreation. But twenty minutes later you said sodomy is deriding pleasure from sex that cannot lead to procreation. The former would make chastity a sin, the latter would not.
>>545055781>you're absolutely right except when you said atheist never badmouth islamIt's a very rare thing.
>>545055878>only integrist atheists believe that. normal atheist only believe in a couple dozens if that manySee >>545055746
>>545055799>, not all atheists believe in 900 genders.Atheists are the #1 group to support trans shit.
>>545055510>proofI don't have time to give some atheist sperg my time showing him the various examples. I am too busy watching anime, thank GOD for anime!
>>545055946And christians are the #1 group who support religious retardation
>>545056002>And christians are the #1 group who support religious retardationReligion is a leap of faith. Always has been. Atheists are denying scientific reality that can be measured and observed. So much for TRUST SCIENCE.
>>545041186No, it’s a metaphor. Sort of like how I don’t believe in ghosts but I also don’t believe they look like anything, yet I always draw them like this.
>>545055894thats a bit disingenuous, why are you getting a blowjob if not for pleasure? I meant sucking a dick or fucking an asshole is sodomy. you can get into all the karma of birth control, pulling out, etc.. but that is between you and God if you are being guinuen in your endeavors or not, you can't lie to yourself and he knows all. hope that clears things up.
>>545056053>Atheists are denying scientific reality that can be measured and observed.Nice reversal of ground truths, while at the same time saying "muh leap of faith" kekDo you think evolution is real? What about the big bang? If yes, at what point did your Jewish god give humans or proto humans souls? Or did the fish already have souls?
>>545048695Or you can actually think like an atheist and understand the concept of creating a book or scroll. It’s not hard to put together the hard hitting facts that men and women created all of them. I should write a book about myself being God and see who joins my team. Koine greek hieroglyphics look nothing like modern greek and never used capital letters. Paleo hebrew looks like a kid drew stick figures in the snow. Zero chance these translations are correct. So you have hand written books by other men and women that are dead. This is a fact and then we have fake translations. Numbers seem to be the only way out.
>>545055622see>>545055971
>>545054695Incorrect. Gravitational waves and frame dragging (the Lense-Thirring effect) are phenomena that are strictly unique to gravity and cannot be replicated by linear acceleration or any other force.
>>545055658>Can you give me an example of # reason why the number of Christian crosses in the world would increase that is not related to an increase in demand for Christian crosses?I don't know, maybe you just like the story of Jesus and are making fanart. Uh, fan-carpentry? It's silly-sounding but it's bound to have happened at least some number of times.>Wouldn't you agree that the number of churches in a region is strongly correlates with the number of Christians that exists or has existed in that region at some point in time? You're not wrong, in a general sense 'more crosses => more faith' is true. But the purpose of this discussion is whether faith is something you can measure the effects of like you can with gravity. Gravity is very clearly defined, and gives the samw results regardless of when you measure them. An apple can't take five seconds to fall one day and four the next. But how many crosses exist in the world doesn't tell you how many units of 'faith' there are in the world.
>>545056160>Nice reversal of ground truths,What? Are you denying that atheists en masse accept 900 genders?>, while at the same time saying "muh leap of faith" kekReligion is in fact a leap of faith. And religious people never claim to be the "DEFENDERS OF SCIENCE AND LOGIC" like atheists do.>What about the big bang? Written by a Catholic Priest. Atheists of his day rejected it and even called it "The Big Bang Theory" as a joke. Turns out the Priest was right. Atheists always lose.
>>545041309If you want to die, sure. Any man looking upon the face of God shall surely die. But you can look upon the Risen Christ and get the right idea, for Christ is the express image of Eternity. Those who have seen the Son have also seen the Father.I've looked upon the Risen Christ in vision. All of the things said of Him in the Scriptures are true. He is Man, and He is God. No torture could get me to deny this.
>>545055097Amen sister
>>545041186>>545055747Here is a perfect example of the error>>545055096>all ways you can perceive God is what I mean when I say it is fake>perceive/nameHe is telling you what he do not know (the divine), which is precisely what the practice of religion resolves by practicing the laws and principles (if you know them).
>>545056250I notice you conveniently sidestepped evolution KEK
>>545055275>And anti-science nonsense is what atheists believe in.Virgin Women in Roman era Levant don't give birth
>>545041186Unable to grasp reality, and lost in the Jews expert exploit.Probably got Butt-Raped by (((them)))?That's what "Atheist" is to me?
>>545056277So a very, very few numbers of Christians are just as retarded as most atheists? Thanks for reminding me.
>>545056109What's disingenuous? I'm getting two different explanations of what sodomy means. Like I'm not being obtuse on purpose, I genuinely have no idea what you think because you seem to change the definition once I point out the problem with the last one.
>>545056370>Virgin Women in Roman era Levant don't give birthLeap of faith. Atheists are rejecting scientific reality with their very eyes.
>>545055681Most immigrants in the UK are Christian
>>545056405>So a very, very few numbers of Christians are just as retarded as most atheists?There are more protrans Christians then there atheist in total lol
>>545056339>I notice you conveniently sidestepped evolution KEKI missed it, but yes I believe in evolution.YOU ignored my ENTIRE post because I missed one small facet of your ranting raving idiocy. SAD.
>>545056413and I corrected what I meant, would you like to know more or do you have a better understanding of God, Adam, eve, creation, etc?
>>545056442>>Virgin Women in Roman era Levant don't give birth>Leap of faithThanks for agreeing it's not scientific >>545056442>Atheists are rejecting scientific reality with their very eyes.Just like you
>>545056501>yes I believe in evolutionSo at which evolutionary point did god give humans (or pre humans) souls?
>>545055779>But most atheists do.True, that. But it's still a guilt by association. The idea of atheism isn't incorrect just because a majority of its practitioners are crazy.
>>545056483>There are more protrans Christians then there atheist in total lolStill can't understand per capita. There are more Christians that believe in evolution than atheists, why are atheists so anti-science?
>>545056527>Thanks for agreeing it's not scientific >>545056442 (You)I never said it was.>Just like youNope, I'm not an atheist.
>>545049628God told me to tell you to dilate tranny
>>545056613>Still can't understand per capitaI doesn't make a per capita argument.Lol you are dumb
>>545056572>So at which evolutionary point did god give humans (or pre humans) souls?Answer this post first: >>545056250You just ignored everything then locked onto one thing that you could sink your teeth into. Sad and r3ddit.
>>545056638>>Just like you>Nope,Yup. Faith isn't scientific. You've already agreed to that
>>545056661>doesn'tDidn't*
Say that you believe in god. Why must it specifically be the god of the jews?
>>545056522Well, it never crossed my mind that Adam was straight pretty much by necessity, and that homosexuality didn't exist because it, well, couldn't. So I suppose I understand a little more, yeah.
>>545056673Yes I am denying that, feel free to prove me wrong Now it's your turn
>>545056673Kek you got stuck now you deflect. SAD
>>545056661>I doesn't make a per capita argument.Oh boy>THERE ARE MORE CHRISTIANS THAT ARE PRO TRANSIgnoring that 75% of atheists support trans shit and around 30% of Christians support trans shit.Why are atheists so anti-science? There are more pro evolution Christians than there are pro evolution atheists.
>>545041186Magic man in the sky is one way to visualize what theists believe in. I know people often have a more abstract idea of what god is, but I still see no proof of its existence. Sometimes, I think you're all lying about your belief, like in wrestling or Santa where most know it's fake but don't say anything because of the kids o algo.
>>545050316Sure.But before I do, please provide a photo of thought.Just want to be sure people actually do think.
>>545056693>Faith isn't scientific.I never said it was.But atheists are ignoring scientific reality right now. You are ignoring this fact.
>>545056755>>THERE ARE MORE CHRISTIANS THAT ARE PRO TRANSThan there are atheist.Thanks for agreeing
>>545056738>Yes I am denying that, feel free to prove me wrongStill can't answer this post: >>545056250Last (you).
Reminder that kikes pushed atheism in order to destroy White Christian Europe.Atheism led to liberalism, egalitarianism, socialism, feminism, homosexuality and multiculturalism.
>>545056788>>Faith isn't scientific.>I never said it was.Thanks for agreeing your position isn't scientific.
>>545056822You run away when got caught.Lol what a faggot you are
>>545056822What else am I supposed to answer there? It was a bunch of seething and one question, which I answered
>>545056794>Than there are atheist.And I guess based on your logic there are more pro evolution Christians than pro evolution atheists. Why are atheists so anti-science?
>>545056860>You run away when got caught.How did I run away? And how did I get caught? Be specific.
>>545056824>destroy White Christian EuropeWhite Christians did that themselves when they they started killing each other over intrepetations
>tfw the 'proof' fake christians give you in threads like these are just more fantasies you are expected to believe at face value because this is the board where you pretend to be religious
>>545056877>there are more pro evolution Christians than pro evolution atheistsHello Catholic Church >>545056902>How did I run away?By refusing to answer while demanding people jump through arbitrary hoops. You do this a lot
>>545055097Post documentation of your lies.>>545055171>The entire identity of the atheist is hating on Christianity.Post documentation of your lie.>atheists are leftists.Post documentation of your lie.>leftists hating jews is very new.Being Muslim lemmings and committing Islamic terrorism for and with them for 60 years is not "very new".>You will never see atheists badmouth Muslims.Unfortunately Muslims disagree with you - they see truthful, actual and factual info about them as "badmouthing" and proclaim a fatwa (= murder).
>>545041309take a high dose of psychedelics and you'll see lucifer. if lucifer exists then its opposite (god) exists. but from what i've witnessed, god is the framework of everything and "angels" are the components of this structure. lucifer is a component gone rogue and this world is a direct consequence/product of lucifer's actions. now neighboring components are trying to figure out how to fix lucifer before resorting to replacing lucifer altogether (which won't be pretty)
God is everything, he is all around us for we are inside his great anus.
>>545056339I notice you conveniently sidestepped MY reply. Kek.
why are you so angry with each others though
>>545052008that is literally heresy
>>545056964>Hello Catholic ChurchWhy are atheists so anti-science?>By refusing to answer while demanding people jump through arbitrary hoops. You're retarded>german anon posted>I thought I responsed to everything, but I missed his "do you believe in evolution" part>instead of replying to my arguments he went "YOU IGNORED THE EVOLUTION QUESTION">in the next post I answered the evolution question, then asked him to address the other responses he ignored in this post>he failed to do this 2 timesSAD
>>545041943familiar with the Tectractys?
>>545057077>Why are atheists so anti-scienceWhy are you?You got caught in a question you couldn't answer, simple as
>>545056984>Post documentation of your lies.Ok.>atheists #1 group to support trans shit according to pew research>atheists voted Kamala at a rate of 75%>atheists #1 group to trust the vax and took it at a rate of 90%>all this r3ddit spacingSAD
>>545057055Why are you even refusing to tell me what your question is?You keep saying I didn't address it meanwhile you refuse to tell me what I'm supposed to address while also refusing to answer my question about evolution and the soul
>>545045211>art analysisNeat!
>>545057151>Why are you?Be specific. >You got caught in a question you couldn't answer, simple asWhat question was that? Be specific?Why are there so many Christians that believe in evolution and so few atheists?
>>545057018Isn't Lucifer being the antithesis of God just an extrabiblical interpretation? I'm pretty sure 'morning star' refers to the King of Babylon, as Isaiah really does predict the invasion by the Medes.
>>545057163I never asked you any questions. I’ve only replied to you twice in this entire thread, this being the third time. I noticed that you didn’t reply to my first reply at all. You completely ignored it and continued arguing with that other guy. Kek.
>>545057166Yup, they are!>>545057203>>Why are you?>Be specific.We've already been through this with your faith based personal feelings lol>>545057203>>You got caught in a question you couldn't answer, simple as>What question was that? Be specific?>>545056572>So at which evolutionary point did god give humans (or pre humans) souls?Let's watch you avoid this again >>545057203>Why are there so many Christians that believe in evolution and so few atheists?>doesn't understand per capita Uh oh!
>>545041186It's just a shorthand using popular imagery christcucks created themselves. Atheists don't believe in god at all.
>>545057203what do atheist believe in if not evolution? not creationism I hope
>>545057018>take a high dose of psychedelics and you'll see lucifer.I don't, and you shouldn't base your worldview off a bad trip either.
>>545057331>what do atheist believe in if not evolution?Anything that doesn't involve the belief in God or gods
>>545057331I think he went full retard and now unironically pretends Christians are more scientific and believe more in evolution and the big bang than atheists
>>545057296>We've already been through this with your faith based personal feelings lolWe have? Where? Be specific>personal feelingsHoly r3ddit. What's next? Touch grass?>>So at which evolutionary point did god give humans (or pre humans) souls?Let's watch you avoid this again So this anon (who you seem to be simping for) asked numerous questions and I answered them all. I didn't answer this one because I said to him >>545056673 "ANSWER THIS POST FIRST", which he didn't.And to answer that question: I believe all humans always had souls, but it's a leap of faith. Atheists are rejecting science with their very eyes.>>doesn't understand per capita So now you want per capita? AHHAHAHAHAHA. OK! Atheists support more trans shit PER CAPITAHAHAHAHAHA
>>545057331>what do atheist believe in if not evolution?It really went over your head.
>>545057331Theoretically you can be an atheist and believe animals are like that just cause. Though yes, that'd require a startling amount of cognitive dissonance to the point we might as well say it doesn't happen.
>>545057496>>We've already been through this with your faith based personal feelings lol>We have? Where?You can scroll up>>545057496>>>So at which evolutionary point did god give humans (or pre humans) souls?>Let's watch you avoid this againKek, like clock work he avoids it again>>545057496>>>doesn't understand per capita>So now you want per capita?You clearly don't lol.
>>545056237If you fill a telescope with water does the objective frame drag to a predictable, measurably different focus?
>>545041186>do atheists actually believe god is an old man sitting on a cloud?yes, that's why it's impossible to argue with those morons. they all have their own definitions for words without ever reading definition.
>>545057405Why are you replying him and not replying to me? Coward.
>>545042730>Yeah because that's how he was written.prove it, gypsy tranny
>>545057496>I believe all humans always had soulsAccording to evolution humans didn't always exist, there was a massive amount of time where other animals lived on earth Also at which point do you define humans? Did homo erectus have souls?
>>545057553it really did pls explain
>>545057594Yes, filling a telescope with water causes the focus to shift to a predictable, measurably different focal length, but it does not change the lateral alignment or "drag" the frame due to the Earth's movement.
>>545057582>You can scroll upBe specific. You have no problem supporting the german anons claims, now support your own.>Kek, like clock work he avoids it againI literally answered the question:And to answer that question: I believe all humans always had souls, but it's a leap of faith. Atheists are rejecting science with their very eyes.SAD and ILLITERATE>You clearly don't lol.You lost so badly.
>>545057640Why are you replying to him and not replying to me? Coward.
>>545057648>it really did pls explainOk>I point out to Ghost of Mesa that 75% of atheists support ant-science trans shit>he then says "More Christians believe in anti-trans shit">I then point out that it's "per capita more atheists believe anti-science trans shit">Ghost of Mesa reeeeees and doubles down on "b-but more Christians support anti-science trans shit">I then point out that more Christians support evolution than the number of atheists that support evolution to prove how stupid his argument is
>>545057666>>You can scroll up>Be specificOh ok. Ctrl+F my ID and revisit the conversations about how agree your faith isn't scientific >>545057666>I believe all humans always had soulsHow's that compatible with evolution exactly?>>545057666>but it's a leap of faith. Atheists are rejecting science with their very eyes.The irony of you shitting on yourself is amazing lol
>>545041186>>545041407>>545042214Atheism is Judaism and satanism
>>545057666>You lost so badly.Says the goon who literally doesn't hahaha
>>545041186My Brizzle in Crizzle, it was the Abrahamic religions that introduced the blasphemy of "Goodness as a personified king".Conceptualizing that as something like Zeus meets Santa Clause is one of the less degenerate ways to represent this king you've invented.
>>545057241i wouldn't look to any religion for answers. just compare those ancient interpretations with your own and you'll develop a clearer view of reality>>545057361lucifer will only reveal itself to you if you pose a legitimate threat to it, otherwise it'll put on a little spiritual puppet show just to toy with you
>>545057778>>he then says "More Christians believe in anti-trans shit"Incorrect
>>545057825Bro you literally worship a kike on a stick.
>>545057789>Oh ok. Ctrl+F my ID and revisit the conversations about how agree your faith isn't scientificPoint to the exact post. Why are you simping for that german anons arguments but not your own?>How's that compatible with evolution exactly?That's another question. I answered the question you (but in reality it came from the german anon) asked and you claimed I didn't answer it. SAD>The irony of you shitting on yourself is amazing lolBe specific. You are like are retard.Why are there so many pro evolution Christians but so few pro evolution atheists?
>>545052273The Adulteress fucks Satan first, then she comes back to teach Adam what she has learned. Why would Adam LUST for his own derivative homunculi?
>>545057825Protip: Labeling everybody as your adversary is Satanic in the most exact metaphysical sense.Repent.
>>545057876>>>he then says "More Christians believe in anti-trans shit">Incorrect>>545056483"There are more protrans Christians then there atheist in total lol"You are so SAD
>>545057907>Point to the exact post.How do I do that?>>545057907>>How's that compatible with evolution exactly?>That's another question. The answer it isn't. Why are you so anti science?>>545057907>>The irony of you shitting on yourself is amazing lol>Be specificNo need. You've done it for me :^)
>>545057877>>545057972Kikes seething
>>545057979>"There are more protrans Christians then there atheist in total lol"Thats what I said. Thanks. Next time include the whole quote
>>545057778aaah...well I don't think 21st century gender identity nonsense has much to do with science. I don't think atheist actively support it for the majority it's more like they're more tolerant towards it because they don't have a religious imperative to be hostile towards it like most religions have.
>>545057981>How do I do that?LIke this:>find post>link it >>545057907>The answer it isn't. Why are you so anti science?SAD????The question:>So at which evolutionary point did god give humans (or pre humans) souls? I said " I believe all humans always had souls,"SAD SAD SAD>No need. You've done it for me :^)SAD
>>545057778Yeah Mesa often just talks for the sake of talking. I love the retard but this man cannot speak rationally to save his life.
Holy godtard melty
>>545058017>Next time include the whole quoteSays the guy who never includes the whole quote.SADThere are also more pro evolution Christians than pro evolution atheists. Why are atheists so anti-science?
>>545052008>>545057074>Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.
>>545058014I am telling you the Truth.They key word is "Adversary".War makes bastards of everybody, and when you make yourself into everybody's adversary, you are literally being Satanic.Its possible for Christian churches to do this because contrary to their hubris, they are not actually God.
>>545058095>LIke this:Loke how? Be specific.>>545058095>I said " I believe all humans always had souls,"Which is faith based and not scientific.Why are you so anti scientific?>>545058163>Why are atheists so anti-science?Says the guy who's positions are faith based Lmao..you lost
If anyone a valid argument against TzXsOl43‘s first reply, how come literally nobody in this thread has addressed it? Not a single word in response. Not even an image. It left everyone speechless.
>>545057152>Kamala, PewThen you have to disclaim it's ATHEISTS IN USA instead of LYING about all atheists in the whole World!
>>545058225>Loke how? Be specific.SAD>Which is faith based and not scientific.But I answered the question, you just started reeeeeing (simping for the german) because you didn't like the answer,.>Why are you so anti scientific?I never claimed to be pro scientific. Atheists claim to TRUST SCIENCE but reject science more than anyone else. Get it now?>Says the guy who's positions are faith based I never claimed to be an atheist science defender. Why are atheists so anti-science? Christians being anti-science is par for the course.Event this atheist anon is riffing on you: >>545058141SAD
>>545058262>Then you have to disclaim it's ATHEISTS IN USA instead of LYING about all atheists in the whole World!You're a retard. I have an American flag on an American chanboard.
>>545058092>well I don't think 21st century gender identity nonsense has much to do with science.Atheists made TRUST SCIENCE their entire thing and are now rejecting science.
>>545058348>>Which is faith based and not scientific.>But I answered the question,Unscientific answer. Why are you so anti science?>Why are you so anti scientific?>I never claimed to be pro scientificYou tried to though lol>>Says the guy who's positions are faith based>I never claimed to be an atheist science defenderTurns out you are just projecting then You lost
>>545058141You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>545058437you're confusing atheism and reddit.china is by large atheist and transgender politics will get you beaten over there
>>545058459>Unscientific answer.You never asked for a scientific answer. Next time put parameters on the answer you want. You reeeeed "YOU IGNORED THE QUESTION" over and over.SAD>You tried to though lolNope.>Turns out you are just projecting then You for some reason me ripping on atheists being anti-science with me being pro-science,. SAD
>>545058437Dr. Francis Collins: The geneticist and former Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)—who is an evangelical Christian—frequently argued that science and faith are not in conflict. He called COVID-19 vaccines an answer to prayer and urged believers to follow medical evidence to protect vulnerable communities. Learn more via the BioLogos Francis Collins Resources.
>>545058524>you're confusing atheism and reddit.Nope. Data backs up my claims. >>545057152>china is by large atheist and transgender politics will get you beaten over thereAs I told the other anon, I'm not an expert on worldwide beliefs. I can really only attest to north America.
>>545058482Yes...? I know you like doing this as a dig against Christians, but obviously my thoughts about you are my thoughts about you. Like what are you even trying to say lmao?
>>545058547>You never asked for a scientific answerI don't need too lol.>>545058547>>You tried to though lol>Nope.Yup>>545058547>with me being pro-scienceYou're contradicting yourself
>>545058560>Dr. Francis Collins: The geneticist and former Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)—who is an evangelical Christian—frequently argued that science and faith are not in conflict. He called COVID-19 vaccines an answer to prayer and urged believers to follow medical evidence to protect vulnerable communities. Learn more via the BioLogos Francis Collins Resources.Still doesn't understand per capita.>90% of atheists trusted the vax and took it>only 60% of Christians did the same and they boo'd Trump at a rally when he pushed the vaxSAD
>>545058153So why haven’t you responded to my first reply? In this entire thread, you only responded to one of my replies, where you sperged out and mistook me for another anon. The reason you ignored MY response and pretended I was the other anon was because you were too afraid to address MINE.
>>545058607I'm saying that your claims are just that. Personal feelings. Because if you had an actual argument, with merit, you'd throw it at me.
>>545058610>I don't need too lol.You do if you want a specific type of answer.>You're contradicting yourselfBe specific.You are such an embarrassment. SAD
>>545041186That's my God right there up on that cloud watching over me.
>>545058650>Still doesn't understand per capita.Sure I do. You seem you think you skate around your obvious generalization This is how much of a slimy kike you are
>>545058682>Personal feelingsPure r/atheism.
>>545058396It's an international board, and the flags are not organic - many hostile larpers abuse the USA flag in order to make Americans look exceptionally ignorant.
>>545058725>Sure I do. You seem you think you skate around your obvious generalizationWhat's the generalization? I'm just posting data. You don't understand per capita. If you understood it, you would laugh in my face when I say more Christians believe in evolution than atheists.
>>545058690>You do if you want a specific type of answer.I wasn't asking for one. Just demonstrating your projection>>545058690>>You're contradicting yourself>Be specific.No need. You'll do it for me again
>>545058730>It's an international board,But the site is American. And I guess some people us VPN, but those are pajeets and bots.
>>545058726You visit reddit more than anyone ITT lol
Please God look down upon me with your smile.
>>545058783>I wasn't asking for one.But when I gave you my answer you complained it wasn't "scientific". If you wanted a scientific answer you should have asked for one. This is a thread about God.>Just demonstrating your projectionr/atheism post>No need. You'll do it for me againSAD
>>545058779>What's the generalization? I'm just posting data.That you generalize to all atheist. Until you get called out.>>545058779>you would laugh in my face when I say more Christians believe in evolution than atheists.I do lol
>>545058811>You visit reddit more than anyone ITT lolImpossible, your posts prove that you are r3ddit King around these parts.
>>545058872>But when I gave you my answer you complained it wasn't "scientificComplained? No, I don't think so bud.>>545058872>r/atheism postHow many times do you post there. Be honest
>>545058591I don't understand what your data proves. atheist voted 75% for kamala. so what does that have to do with trust the science ?also it's a bit easy to reject data that doesn't go your way. Atheism is lack of belief in god, there is no difference between chinese atheism and european atheism and american atheism. The fact that there are more pro transgenders identity politics in america is not caused by atheism. There are a lot of pro transgender identity politics among religious fags in america as well while it's strictly rejected in other strictly christian part of the world. I'm not saying atheism isn't a factor as I said previously in how people chose to be tolerant or hostile towards it, but it's far from the only factor.At the very least you can't just pull one stat and think it's the gospel, that's definitely not scientific. Science is facing your initial belief/hypothesis with contradiction and seeing if that beliefs hold well or not.
>>545058897>>You visit reddit more than anyone ITT lol>ImpossibleClearly not. You obviously know how it works kek.
>>545058682Lmao. Never change, Mesa. I admire the tenacity if nothing else.
>>545058943That's what I thought.
>>545058876>That you generalize to all atheist.Data backs up my claims.>I do lolSo you pick and choose per capita for each argument? Me saying Christians are more pro evolution than atheists is a joke that stems from you refusing to believe more atheists support trans shit.If you believe more Chrisitians support more trans shit than atheists, then you also believe that more Christians support evolution than atheists.
>>545058911>Complained? No, I don't think so bud.Oh boy>I give answer>you respond: >>545058459 "Unscientific answer. ">You now: I'M NOT COMPLAININGSAD>How many times do you post there. Be honestI only read and recognize people like you.
>>545058989>>That you generalize to all atheist.>Data backs up my claimsThis is you>>545058591>I'm not an expert on worldwide beliefs. I can really only attest to north America.Thanks for admitting you just lied >>545058989>So you pick and choose per capita for each argument?Nah, I just know the difference between per capita and totalities.You clearly do not
>>545059050>I'M NOT COMPLAININGCoreect. It's called demonstration >>545059050>I only read and recognize people like you.So every day then?
>>545059066>Thanks for admitting you just liedSo now you want WORLDWIDE atheist info? Why didn't you just say that instead of arguing all this time? SADAs I told the other anon, this is an American site and we have American flags.>Nah, I just know the difference between per capita and totalities.Explain it in detail.
>>545059110>Coreect. It's called demonstration????? What is being demonstrated? Be specific.>So every day then?No, because most of r/atheism is on 4chan now. You are leading the charge.
>>545059133>So now you want WORLDWIDE atheist info?Ah, so you're saying your data doesn't back up your generalization.Concession accepted
>>545059178>Ah, so you're saying your data doesn't back up your generalization.All my sources are American (pew research, Kamala voting records, Trump getting boo'd at rally).SAD>Nah, I just know the difference between per capita and totalities.Explain it in detail.
>>545059162>What is being demonstrated?You're projection lol>>545059162>>So every day then?>No, because most of r/atheism is on 4chan nowHow would you know? I bet you get dunked on by redditors too
>>545059230>>Ah, so you're saying your data doesn't back up your generalization.>All my sources are AmericanThanks for admitting you lied again
>>545059235>You're projection lolWhat am I projecting? Be specific.>you ask question>I give answer>you say it's not scientific>I say "you never asked for a scientific answer"SAD>How would you know? I bet you get dunked on by redditors tooBecause redditors say things like "personal feelings".
>>545059282>Thanks for admitting you lied againWhat's the lie? Be specific.You just make wild claims, and when I ask for specificity, you move onto something else.SAD
>>545058808>the site is American.If it is, people are unaware or don't care - the subjects and the users are international, and there's no disclaimer stating otherwise.
>>545059335>If it is, people are unaware or don't careSure thing.There's a board called /int/ for international discussion.
>>545059335Servers are here.Our legal jurisdiction.We own it.
>>545059300>What am I projecting?Thays it's you who's really anti-science >>545059300>Because redditors say things like "personal feelings"Thats a common term a lot of people use bud. But tell me more how versed you are, redditor>>545059332>>Thanks for admitting you lied again>What's the lie?>>545058989>>That you generalize to all atheist.>Data backs up my claims.Turns out it doesn't and you lied lol
>>545058014kike worshipper seething not all of us want to worship a kike
>>545059416>Thays it's you who's really anti-scienceAgain, I never claimed to be pro science. We went over this. You just can't keep up. If you wanted a purely scientific answer you should have asked for it.>Thats a common term a lot of people use bud. But tell me more how versed you are, redditorRedditors like you live the bubble of "everyone says personnal feelings and touch grass"SAD>What's the lie?>>545058989 (You)Be SPECIFIC. What's the lie. SAD>Turns out it doesn't and you lied lolFor America it does.Still can't answer this: >Nah, I just know the difference between per capita and totalities.Explain it in detail.
>>545057665So is the earth fixed because null hypothesis is true, or are you just being disingenuious about the size of our thought experiment scope. Do you think the earth drags the aether with itself, or that light is dependant upon 'gravity' and not vice versa.Is the rock I am holding not made of slow light?
>>545058437Atheism and science are not even particularly related, and science doesn't have much to say about trans issues either.
>>545059553>Atheism and science are not even particularly relatedSTOP>nd science doesn't have much to say about trans issues either.Scientists say a men can get pregnant and try to rewrite medical books.
>>545059515>Again, I never claimed to be pro science.You tries though with the evolution bit. But that turned on you lol>>545059515>Redditors like youHow would you know?>>545059515>>Turns out it doesn't and you lied lol>For America it does.Which is you admitting you lied. You attempt to generalize all atheist. You even said data backs it up. That was a lie..
>>545059599>Scientists say a men can get pregnantThere are scientists who say they can't. Which one is right?
>>545059599Someone told you earlier that you were confusing atheism with redditors, and they were right. > Scientists say a men can get pregnantScientists say that females get pregnant, and view gender expression nonsense as local cultural customs/fashion.
>>545059541>or are you just being disingenuious about the size of our thought experiment scope.How wqs I being disingenuous if you didn't specify?
>>545059632>You tries though with the evolution bit. But that turned on you lolBe specific. Again, you lose the argument then just jump to nonsense.>How would you know?I've observed. And you people are alike all over outside of r3ddit.>Which is you admitting you lied. You attempt to generalize all atheist. We are on an American board with American flags and I posted American data and sources. If you can't grasp what I'm saying that's on you.You seem to be an expert on data, explain this:>Nah, I just know the difference between per capita and totalities.Of course you wont'.
>>545059708>if you didn't specify?So this anon has to SPECIFY but when I give an answer and you said that it wasn't scientific and I say that you didn't specify a scientific answer, you reeeeeee?SAD
>>545059690>Someone told you earlier that you were confusing atheism with redditors, and they were right.Data backs up my claims. >Scientists say that females get pregnant, and view gender expression nonsense as local cultural customs/fashion.Nope they also support 6'5" men playing on the soccer field with 5'3" women. You are living in a fantasy land.
>>545059727>>You tries though with the evolution bit. But that turned on you lol>Be specificNo need. Anyone can read the thread for themselves >>545059727>>How would you know?>I've observedBy being a frequent redditor lol>>545059727>We are on an American board with American flagsA lot more than American flags bud. Ni amount of cope will eliminate that you lied >>545059727>explain this:>>Nah, I just know the difference between per capita and totalities.What's there to explain?>>545059784>So this anon has to SPECIFYWhen they made a claim that isn't true. She's having a melty right now
>>545059827"Science" doesn't say anything about any of that shit lol, and the sexual dimorphism of our species is well covered.
>>545059672Notice how he ignores this hahaha
>>545059873>No need. Anyone can read the thread for themselvesSAD. I'm not interested in other anons. I'm interested in your claims and you can't be specific. SAD>By being a frequent redditor lolI always keep an eye on the insanity of the world. You and other redditors like you being one of them.>A lot more than American flags bud. Ni amount of cope will eliminate that you lied SAD that you can't grasp the basics.>What's there to explain?You said "you know the diffference". What's the difference? Explain it.>When they made a claim that isn't true. So my answer was true, you didn't specify you wanted a scientific answer, and you reeeed? SAD>She's SAD
>>545059708>Pretending to not understand!
>>545059891No, scientists generally do say that sex is what you're born with, gender is what you identify as. Like I don't really get arguing this point, it's just Le New Theory On Gender.
>>545059891>"Science" doesn't say anything about any of that shit lol,Then why aren't scientists saying "This is ridiculous, men can't get pregnant and men can't play women sports".
>>545060042Why did you ignore this>>545059672
>>545060047>I can't explain how!Kek
>>545060082>Then why aren't scientists saying "This is ridiculous, men can't get pregnantThere are.
>>545060088>Why did you ignore thisSo you ignore every "be specific" I post, but now want total answers? You answer first.
>>545059367Thanks for info - what's the board for religions and religious chatters called, and why are such even here on /pol/?
>>545060154>There are.Then why is every college and hospital supporting this nonsense?
>>545060156Thats nice but why did you ignore it?
>>545060194>Thats nice but why did you ignore it?As I said, you ignore too much and just adding new shit to distract from what you are ignoring.Pure. R3ddit.
>>545060192Oh this is one of those generalizations you keep doing.
>>545060222>Oh this is one of those generalizations you keep doing.You keep ignoring reality. SAD
>>545060217>you ignore too muchThat's a lie. You keep asking for specifics after I gave them.
>>545060245Another lie Thats all you got kiddo
>>545060253>That's a lie.You ignored this entire post: >>545060042SAD>You keep asking for specifics after I gave them.You rarely do, and when you do it's only because I asked 40 times. SAD
>>545060272>Another lieSADAnswer this: >>545060042
>>545060294>You ignored this entire postNope.
>>545060217It annoys me that I find myself agreeing more with you than these other chuds. Scientists generally support gender nonsense, and so do atheists. I say this as an atheist. This abject denial of reality is actually stunning to me.
>>545060323Already have over various posts.
>>545060330>Nope.Your response was >>545060088In which you IGNORED the entirely of my post only to complain that I ignored one of your posts
>>545060384>you IGNORED the entirely of my postNope
>>545060130Can we measure an angstrom with your peepee, reprobate hypocrite blasphemer? >What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?”
>>545060366>Already have over various posts.Be specific. You didn't answer this:>you: Nah, I just know the difference between per capita and totalities.>you: What's there to explain?You said "you know the diffference". What's the difference? Explain it.
>>545060344>Scientists generally support gender nonsense, and so do atheists.I don't. Gender is based off biological sex and was synonymous for a very long time. Male=man, Female=woman.
>>545060401>NopeThen show where you replied to it.
>>545060407>hurt feelings intensifies >>545060447>>Already have over various posts.>Be specificNo need. >>545060447>You said "you know the diffference"Correct.
>>545060455>I don't.Per capita. Most atheists do.
>>545060166For the lulz
>>545060455Bestie I wasn't talking about you.
>>545060344The noble lie about the gender bending stuff is ng/L of estrogen, etc. in the blood. Not about anal to genital distance (the best measure of dimorphism).
>>545060469You reply to all my post. Except this one>>545059672Kek you lose
>>545060482>No need.SAD>Correct.And I said "What's the difference? Explain it."You just keep IGNORING. SAD
>>545060490Which arheist anon?
