Genetic studies show that southern Italians, including Sicilians, are overwhelmingly European- that NA admixture everybody memes about is hardly present at all and was overwritten by other European conquest since that occupation. Not only that, but southern Italian immigrants to America (which is like 90+% of all Italian immigrants to the US) eventually became assimilated and one of the more financially successful white ethnic groups in America.Why does this meme that they're Arabs or brown still persist?
>>545053752They look like Arabs and Browns. No amount of propaganda can change that.
>>545053852And you know this because of.... cherrypicked images, Sven? Those people are "Italian" the same way a 3rd gen black French guy is "French"
>>545053752It’s a phenotype thing. Most Meds look like other nons so they’ll forever be seen with suspicion. Meds are genetically closer to Lebanese than they are to Nordics, so there’s some basis to it. Meds should never have been considered European to begin with.
>>545053752See >>545053852They look EXACTLY like Arabs, browns, NAs. That’s where the fucking meme comes from.
>>545054005that's not really true. and which meds in particular? because even southern italians would be closer to norwegians than arabs. why is it always my fellow americans saying the most embarrassing shit. one thing i can give eurofags credit for is that they're right about americans not being worldly at all
>>545054067>>545053907yes, cherrypicked images. the same playbook as always
I always thought the Spanish and Portuguese had more north african admixture. Is this not the case?
>>545053752>Why does this meme that they're Arabs or brown still persist?Being European and being White are two different thingsSpaniards, Italians and Slavs are European but not White
>>545054269makes no sense. european and white are generally an interchangable term, and the word white being used by europeans has always sort of shifted its meaning vaguely. ancient greeks called themselves white, and called northern europeans blond for example.in a sense leftoids are right about that particular term being an invention- but really they're only half right
>>545053752>Genetic studiesyou mean the ones that obfuscate that blacks are actually a cross bred result of humans and primates?
nobody wants to take it all the way to definitively prove it, because social implicationshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee
>>545054349>european and white are generally an interchangable termbait
>>545054140it's low in all of southern europe. it's either memes or regional hatred which is commonplace in europe no matter the region. if southern italians are not white because of a maximum of like 1-1.5% or 6% NA admixture depending on person and area, then why are northeastern europeans considered white despite having more nonwhite DNA?
>>545054082>because even southern italians would be closer to norwegians than arabsObjectively untrue. Meds didn’t even become “Arab” through conquest or any dumb theory like that. They were always racially similar to certain types of durkas. Go read up on the Mediterranean subrace that early race scientists and phrenologists placed different Caucasians into. Southern Italians for example are much closer to someone from Lebanon than they are to someone from Norway. A lot of sand niggers are technically ”Med” too, we just don’t count them that way because of pisslam. There’s a reason turkroaches, Lebs and other semite trash have historically been considered “white” in America. It didn’t come from nowhere. We just don’t like sand niggers because they’re Muslim. If they were Christian they would have begrudgingly been accepted like other Meds, and in some cases, they were. I don’t consider either white, since it’s obvious that only Anglos, Germanic, Nordics, and some Slavs are actually white. Meds are Mongoloid or Negroid, but they aren’t white either.
>>545054436>Meds are Mongoloid or Negroid, but they aren’t white either*are not
>>545054436early race scientists. so a bunch of autistic ideological nordicists and retards like yourself seriously why is it always americans
>>545054436the med region is one of the oldest melting pots in the world, oldest beyond the levant or africa itself, all the countries with med shorelines have been mixed to varying degrees
>>545054717Cope, pasta nigger, even AI slop has my back. You’re more racially similar to Abdul than you are to Hans. You just get away with it since you aren’t Muslim.
>>545054717you don't even need 'race science' or DNA to understand it, a map will suffice just fine if you're not trying NOT to see it
>>545053752YWNBW wop.
>>545054815and what did you prompt it with? because i can ask AI the exact same questions and get an answer that contradicts yours
>>545054905there's an entire sea dividing those lands. wouldn't southeastern europeans be more arab since there's greater connection?
humans have had 'boats' for something like at least 40,000 years; because the fucking sentinelese have been on their island that long, allegedly, and can not invent shit, so every tech they had they took there with themso the med region's been getting crossed by boat for at least as long, of fucking course they've extensively crossbred
>>545054974it's a 'sea' but not an 'ocean', many places you can see the opposing shores >>545054995
>>545054918pajeet interloper
>>545054922I simply asked it whether a southern Italian was genetically closer to someone from Lebanon or someone from Norway. I’m sorry you don’t like learning the truth. At least you aren’t Muslim, I suppose.
>>545053752Then why are they so poor and violent?
>>545055105and i can ask a simple question and ask for a simple answer and get this>>545055164actually southern italy is generally safer in terms of crime rate than the north. sicily too. you can look it up yourself. if they were truly violent they would not have such low crime rates
>>545055105also i love how the language this model is using betrays that you are in fact using biased prompts and the LLM will naturally stroke you off as they are programmed to do
>>545053752Whites will never Mediterranean. The foundation of white civilization comes from italians and greeks, which whites always make a point of noting are not white up until it's time to pretend they descend from us when the topic of historical achievement comes up because whites are an insecure barbarian race with no real achievements of their own outside of mindless violence and copying the civilized and enlightened Mediterranean man. Whites are a germanic people who spent all of history roaming the forests in small war bands raping and pillaging and sleeping with farm animals like the oogabooga niggers they pretend to be so different from.
>>545053752>one of the more financially successful white ethnic groups in America.indeed, but remember to thank your padre.
>>545055396>'progress' moves faster from a diversity of different cultures intermingling than from a monolithic race, which stagnateswell, duh
>>545054815>>545055229You know that you can ask the AI to research on the web and on scientific papers, right?
>>545055273>>545055229That’s because I didn’t use the term “middle easterner”. I used Lebanon or Lebanese specifically. Ask it again, since you’ll accuse my AI of bias. “Is a southern Italian more genetically similar to someone from Lebanon or Someone from Norway”? I don’t think you’ll like the answer and will have to come up with some other cope.
>>545055396though i don't necessarily agree with the anti-german sentiment of your post, the fact is, these people you're describing instead cope by we wuzzing the romans and greeks. it's what nordicists and other white hoteps do
>>545055229>>545055573it's a simple difference of who even bothered at ll going through the levant to get to europeit's so much further over land than crossing the med that soon as boats existed, it made no sense to go through the levant
>>545055573wording. these are language models.the southern italian has more overlap with the levant than the northerners do- but he is closer to the northerners overall
>>545053752Because the lingering impairing effects of islam on their ineffective culture remains.There is a reason they needed to flee from that to America to become succesful.
>>545055762i don't doubt the tedium of latin culture is holding them back which is why i thank god every day i'm an american
I spent 3 days in Palermo Sicily. It was literally the dirtiest city I have ever seen. Beautiful old architecture and trash literally everywhere. Southern Italians are just albino niggers
>>545055835every sicilian i've spoken to hates palermo so i don't doubt it. the magic is in the smaller towns in the interior of the island apparently
>>545053752Because Italians will never be white. They're Fitzpatrick 3(light brown) on average, while actual whites are level 1 or 2 on Fitzpatrick scale. Most Italians are not white passing. Italians want to be white so bad it's pathetic. Dermatologists agree that italians can be Fitzpatrick 4 which is medium brown. IDK but let the picture of the Sicilian speak for itself
>>545055886And Rome was kind of a shithole as well. Picrel
>>545055835whole island of sicily is a ghettothe mafia was born there, to control local water access rights
>>545054436>Southern Italians for example are much closer to someone from Lebanon than they are to someone from NorwayNo doubt. Southern italy was settled by Greeks, and there's been trade with the Levant and North Africa since the bronze age
>>545055756Whatever helps you cope. You’re not white. Best accept it before you get a dose of reality once WN becomes Nordicism again.
>>545056164rome, paris, brussels etc. all the famous european tourist cities are trash now
I asked Gemini for a different perspective and it’s still the same conclusion. I like how OP thought he knew more than the redpilled race scientists of the 1800s that put Arabs and Meds in the same category. Kek. I suggest he converts to Islam and be among his swarthy brethren.
>>545057140>redpilled race scientistsautistic nordicist retards like yourself (though i doubt you're even nordic ironically, not many americans are)dna wasn't even discovered until the latter part of the 1800s
>>545056428Nta but I think the point of this thread was that were not Arab or North African. I don't think we care about being "white" whatever that means. You however should be pushing for Italians as white since without us you were basically mudhut dwellers even inferior to Africans. Doesn't matter to me.
Ariana grande is italian. She look white to you, retard?
>>545057140"The shared signal between Southern Italians and Lebanese is therefore mostly ancient: the common West Eurasian/Near Eastern farmer substrate that entered Europe via Anatolia in the Neolithic, amplified in the south by subsequent eastern Mediterranean contacts (Greek colonization of Magna Graecia is often highlighted, along with broader Imperial Roman-era mobility). Phoenician (Canaanite-derived) presence in the western Mediterranean and later limited medieval inputs play smaller roles. This is affinity through shared deep ancestry and geography, not evidence that Southern Italians are “Lebanese” or vice versa.Phenotypically and culturally, both groups are Mediterranean, but Southern Italians are firmly within the Romance-speaking, historically Christian European cultural sphere, while Lebanese are Levantine (with Christian and Muslim communities, Arabic-speaking majority today, and distinct historical trajectories under successive Near Eastern empires)."
>>545057464aside from the fact that you're a literal russinigger subhuman that the germans didn't finish up with, ariana grande is a meme for looking like literally every ethnicity on earth at one point in her life
I swear there's something wrong with the people of naples and marseille. those cities always have been shitholes. even before the modern arab-african invasion.how do you live in the same place for the past +1000 years and didn't do anything to improve your living conditions
>>545053907They're really not cherry picked. Meds have darker features and olive skin. They share these characteristics with Arabs.
>>545057595whiter and blonder than you mutt. The fact that people thought she was a beaner for YEARS without anyone questioning it proves my point
>>545057613don't they have really strict building rules in italy because of ruins and/or typical european red tape?
>>545057799russians are palette swapped subhuman niggers and you will be featured in the next ukrainian drone compilation
>>545057278>dna wasn't even discovered until the latter part of the 1800sIt wasn’t. And yet they could tell what race you belonged to just based on your features alone, and will you look at that, they were right>You however should be pushing for Italians as white since without us you were basically mudhut dwellers even inferior to Africans. Doesn't matter to meCrazy how those mud hut dwellers would eventually go on to build the modern world and get us into space, while Italy, Spain and Greece all became brown, corrupt, irrelevant shitholes. I suppose I should thank Meds for popularizing ass fucking small boys and other “beautiful” aspects of Med “culture”, though. No wonder modern Italians are so anal about tomato sauce, it’s not like you have anything else going for you.
>>545055229now ask it about the holocaust and tell us how using this is valid proof to back your idea
>>545057884r/historymemes post>>545057892got redpilled last year and just watched europa the last battle? i'm sure it's a jewish conspiracy that italians are considered white by the general population
>>545057866you will never be hwite shitalalalalalalian
>>545058066>italians are considered white by the general populationThe general population also believes the Holocaust happened and that niggers are human. What’s your point?
>>545058107>changed his flag
>>545058066italians are just like brazilians.there are white ones. sort of. sometimes.but what you see if you go there...point being italy definitely used to be white.but after the gates of toledo its basically letting the USA know what to expect.do you think the average US citizen is generally considered white?what about in another 30 years?the mass breeders may not represent the original population, but they become the general population in only a few generations.take solace, nowhere is considered "white" anymore. italy is far from alone.look at random vids from iceland. niggers. there are niggers just... around. in the background of like every picture.
>>545058427italy is still like 87% italian or something. european nations generally do have problems with aging native populations and replacement level fertility but the point of the post is the natives, not the nationals if you know what i mean
Not just that, they are genetically close to ancient greeks.
>>545059058because of magna graecia, yeah. i think mainland greeks mixed with slavs so have less unbroken ancient greek lineage
>>545054269>loses war to slavswhite race defeated again KEK
