>gives Russia freedom and freedom of speech>they become a dictatorship again like a decade later and are now more totalitarian than even the SovietsLolLmao
>>545153900>keep calm
Weimar Republic also gave Germans freedom and 15 years later they became a dictatorship again.
>>545154595So russia is nazi now?
>>545153900Freedom doesn't matter if there is no stability. The economy collapsed and Russia was basically in anarchy after the USSR fell.
>>545154595Hitler was democratically elected tho
>>545153900Will the Kiev's regime save Europe and all of NATO from the mighty Russia? Isn't it what you say when you justify your spending on the Kiev's regime.
good fuck them I'm tired of their arrogance
>>545154670So was Putin, at least the first time around.
>>545154670so was putin
>>545153900Russians are so feral and retarded that they a king nigger like Putin to beat then down regularly.. Russians cannot understand the concept of self-government. Imagine if you let niggers attempt to govern themselves as a society.. same thing.
>>545153900>I am retardedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKNJQG7Pcgc
>>545153900Russia never knew nor loved freedom
>>545154595Germans were citizens, burgers and freemen for their entire history.Sweden never knew slavery or bondage. It you ruskies that have been slaves for your entire history
>>545154669Same happened in romania and we didn't turn stalinist as a response.Bullshit explanation
>>545153900This is why it's important to build strong institutions. They basically leapt into capitalism without any guardrails. Oligarchy was inevitable.
>>545154669And does russia seem stable to you right now?
>>545155442You got absorbed by the west just like Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Czech Republic, etc. That's why those countries aren't shit either, while the ones that didn't (Turkmenistan, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, etc) are still shit. Romania would be just like Moldova if it wasn't for the west.
>>545154670Learn your own history Kraut. Shitler never had the majority needed to become reich chancellor. In Germany's last free election before WW2, the Nazis were losing support.
I miss these lil' niggas like you wouldn't believe
>>545155586Dictatorship is more stable than anarchy, yes.
>>545155705Everyone just wanted to have fun after the Cold War.
>>545155691We had 18 years to sort our shit out. Romania joined the EU in 2007 (18 years after our revolution) and we had to rebuild everything.If we can do it anyone can. Not the ruskies apparently
>>545155721Problem being those are their only two choices so the dictatorship makes sense.
>>545153900Americans were such cunts I am really ashamed how we treated Russia. We should have been a lot more bro tier to them when they went capitalist. Instead we kavetched about how they went about it, ohhh nooo tooo many oligarchs wahhhhhh. Trump is doing right by Russia but too little too late because now Russia has mutated to evil monsters.
>>545154669anarchy was promised by Lenin as the final episode towards freedom
>>545154853Really, people outside Russia from the developed world can't comprehend that Russians think politics is none of their business, it's something for the elite to decide.I mean sure in the west people are also demoralised and say about the same thing, but at least Trump got voted out and so was Biden. In Russia Putin has been in power for 26 years, because he's so great... at making it impossible for other candidates to grow or to challenge power.Again Russians are fine with this because they think they're too stupid to have a say in government.
>>545155705Much simpler times. All I see is two tall dudes having fun and not giving a shit about ego. Today everything is a dick measurement contest and authoritarian fags like Putin only made it worse.
>>545155881Lol, are you kidding? Romania didn't rebuild on its own. Between 1991 and 2006, Romania received billions in EU pre-accession assistance through PHARE, ISPA and SAPARD, plus $5 billion in World Bank loans, billions in European Investment Bank loans, and substantial western investment. But keep coping.
>>545154595Russians wanted a totalitarian dictatorship with no freedom and no freedom of speech because they wanted to be like Germans??
>>545155705>>545156284>Things were better when Russia had an alcoholic in charge that people could patronize and walk all overI'm sure
>>545156398Romania had zero progress in ANYTHING from 1990 to 2005, regardless and despite any and all help.Check out economic output for 1990 - 2005 it you don't believe me. It was 15 totally wasted years.
>>545156155Putin kind of betrayed them. The unspoken agreement was that they stay out of politics and Putin leaves them alone. But the Ukraine war absolutely changed this. No idea why they thought trusting a glowie is a good idea.
>>545156819Wrong. Romania's inflation-adjusted GDP rose roughly 17% between 1990 and 2005, including 32% growth between 2000 and 2005. Inflation fell from 40.7% in 2000 to 8.6% in 2005, and unemployment nearly halved. And all this happened while Romania received billions in western assistance.
>>545156692Now you have a paranoid manlet that would get trialed in every first world country, congrats.
>>545154753>>545154756Putin wasn't elected.He was made vice president. Then Yeltsin retired.
>>545155407Serfdom was literally invented in western Europe and existed there for hundreds of years
>>54515710017% in 15 years is abysmal. In the following 20 years it went 10x compared to 17% in 15 years
>>545153900By then it was too late because communism had already killed all the smart Russians.
>>545157366If western europe has a leader half as based as putin (who isn't even a real hardliner) you wouldn't be flooded with africans and nafris
>>545157474Hundreds of years from 5th to 14th century yes but abolished almost everyone by the modern time (17th century and later)Not the case in russia
>>545157500All smart "Russians" were Jews or Ukrainians anyway.
>>545157573Putin is as open if not more for importing limitless brownoids into Russia as any of the western politicians.
>>545157428There is no such thing as a vice president in Russia. It's not the US and there was an election in 2000.>>545157487You're proving my point. Romania's growth accelerated as it became integrated into the west. It joined NATO in 2004 and the EU in 2007, gaining access to western markets, investment and billions in EU funding. And your "10x" claim is bullshit: Romania's GDP grew roughly 80% in real terms between 2005 and 2025, not 900%. Even nominal GDP in dollars only increased 4.4x. Romania had a clear path to western integration that Russia never had. Pretending the two faced identical circumstances is ridiculous.
>>545157573I think there was one in the 30s that Russians still cry about.
>>545157100>Romania's inflation-adjusted GDP rose roughly 17% between 1990 and 2005,lol
>>545157428how legit was the first election after that?
>>545153900People starving under his regime. Literally. Who need freedom when you are broke?!
>>545155982Maybe Russia shouldn’t have burned up all its post Cold War goodwill chimping out on Chechnya and the Kursk incident
Also Putin was Yeltsin's man, Yeltsin call him successor and bring in power.
>>545153900freedoms like the freedom to work for free, or freedom to get robbed at gunpoint, or freedom to not eat?you might get a taste of those freedoms just yet
God, Russians are so fucking pathetic. A nation of simpering slaves
>>545158433>chimping out on ChechnyaChechnya always was part of Russia, it was inner Russian business. And btw Yeltsin give them independence after first war, this end up with invasion in Dagestan.
>>545158510This, freedom w/o prosperity mean nothing.
>>545153900>drank heavily>sold his country to gangsters
>>545157854Does that contradict my point in any way?>>545157750Street walk Moscow vs any western capital city
>>545155512Strong institutions like Epstein island?
>>545158223Are the 143+ million Russians incapable of getting rid of the criminal gang that robbed, starved and mass-murdered them? If yes, how many does it then take to do it? A billion?
>>545157962Check out Russian performance if you wanna have a laugh PeriodRomaniaRussiaStarting year19901992Ending year20252025Real GDP per capita growth~150%~77%Increase in output per person2.50×1.77X
>>545153900He no t Slav
>>545153900Go fight them Herman the German...ROFLMAO
>>545159119Yeah but runigs launch rockets and are leading in nuclear energy exports among other things, while your gypsyland only manages to suck up European money and steal from each other so go figure
>>545153900>actual alcoholic mongoloid>was a laughing stock for every other country>killed perestroika for a decade of brazil-grade nigger hell>then was thrown away by kgbthe game was rigged from the start
>>545153900>now more totalitarian than even the SovietsYou have no idea what you're talking about
>>545159645Nigger, they have a fucking government app that is mandatory and that sends you your mobilization on your device. As soon as that happened you automatically can't leave the country, no matter if you actually read the message or not. If you fail university there is a chance that you can be sent to war. Russia is a fucking orwellian nightmare now.People whine about Yeltsins poverty lmao. But Russians were always self-sufficient and grew their own vegetables. Being literally genocided is much worse.
>>545160309>year 4 of this dumb conflict>retards still can't differentiate mobilization and conscriptionNigger even Ukraine doesn't send conscripts to the war zone let alone Russia
>>545153900Yeltsyn's russia was attacking it's neighbors even more proactively than early jewtin. Russia is beyond saving in it's current form.
>>545160309Are you talking about Ukraine which is the only country other than North Korea that has internal border controls
>>545155512Is musk not an oligarch? Is peter thiel not an oligarch?
>>545160309you are a complete moron, everything that you said is wrong
>>545158731White Russia is two cities, and you just mentioned one.
>>545162051Actually Moscow is one of the most multicultural cities in russia (still majority white). Not counting cities in republics with their own indigenous pop
>>545153900>freedom of speech>democratically elected parlaiment wants him out>shoots at parlaiment with tanks>orders army to shoot at protesters who support parlaimentBoruh Eltsman(who was married to kikess by the way) killed democracy in Russia, with full support of his actions from future EU countries and Muttmerica. It was Boruh who edited the russian constitution and turned Russia into superpresidental republic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKyM3bofM8M
>>545153900>sees pudding pops >entire jewish blood libel empire collapsesLOL.
>>545153900yeah, he literally was the one who ended it by dissolving the parliament and giving the president extra powers. also by appointing the fsb agent putin, who then brought in all his buddies from the police force and made it into a police state
>>545153900>they become a dictatorship againkekkels
Not to mention what right movements, like Barkashov's dudes, were rapidly press ganged by glowniggers and threatened with murder if they will continue to act cocky. And how Boruh actually lost the 1996 elections but kike bankers pulled the strings behind the curtain and that faggot commie leader given up on his victory, and since that point was a controlled opposition for 30 years already, yes he leads commie party for 40 years already, forever loyal to current Eltsman successor.
>>545153900>gives Russia freedom and freedom of speechNo, that was Gorbachev>Gorbachev succeeded in destroying what was left of totalitarianism in the Soviet Union; he brought freedom of speech, of assembly, and of conscience to people who had never known it, except perhaps for a few chaotic months in 1917. By introducing free elections and creating parliamentary institutions, he laid the groundwork for democracy. It is more the fault of the raw material he worked with than of his own real shortcomings and mistakes that Russian democracy will take much longer to build than he thought.
>>545165335kek baZed Cloud Strife Pepe
>>545155691>while the ones that didn't (Turkmenistan, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, etc) are still shit
>>545155512Yeah and your heading into the same direction, you will be soon russia 2.0.
>>545158433A lesson in alternative history from a Ukrainian idiot with an American VPN.
>>545159119For Russia, 1992 is not simply the 'start of the period' but the year that followed the deepest economic shock. To compare it with 1990 for Romania is to compare reference points that are different in meaning.
>>545160309Truth>>545161420bot
>>545166550If you knew how basic economics, or just math in general worked, you'd know why it's easier to grow when you start from nothing. Russia went from $1772 GDP per capita in 2000 to $14962 in 2024. High percentage, sure, but the US was at $86170 already. African countries often have high growth rates too, because they literally go from mud huts to regular houses. Does that mean they aren't shitholes? Of course not.
>>545153900That’s rich coming from a German who is not even allowed by his government to have a political party that serves his own interests. How is that democracy working out for ya, Hans?
>>545166299Say thanks to Yeltsin for the existence of today's Russia. Thanks for shooting the White House. But in Georgia and Armenia, the local Yeltsins were told to fuck off, so now they're suffering.
>>545167075That's not true: South Korea and China also grew by tens of percent in their early stages, but that was productivity growth. Growth from $1,772 to $14,962 is an ~8.4-fold increase. Even adjusting for the base effect, Russia in the 2000s grew faster than many countries with a comparable income level.
>>545167512You're confusing nominal GDP in dollars with actual economic growth, genius. That 8.4x figure isn't adjusted for inflation or exchange rates. Russia's inflation-adjusted GDP per capita only grew about 108% between 2000 and 2024, not 740%. And much of the early growth was recovery from the economic collapse of the 1990s, helped enormously by skyrocketing oil prices. South Korea and China experiencing productivity growth doesn't disprove the base effect, it literally demonstrates how poorer economies can catch up. And guess what? Russia's real GDP per capita has grown only about 16% since 2013. You're proving you don't understand the statistics you're citing.
>>545167951No. Russia's growth in the 2000s was outstanding for any countries with a similar income level.You present 108% as a 'modest' growth, but in absolute terms it means that real GDP per capita more than doubled over 24 years. That is not 'stagnation' but a very substantial growth.High oil prices do not 'create' productivity, but they provided resources for growth. You correctly point to this factor, but it does not explain why some oil economies did not show even such growth. It is more of a context than a complete explanation.
