Was the Ukrainian war the biggest fail of EU, or they have had even greater fuckups?
>>545161091The EU is truly pathetic. Imagine being an international organization so useless and embarrassing that you spend years dithering in public about how you need to pick someone from your group to speak to Putin, but you take so long deciding that Finland finally gives up and calls him themselves without consulting you. And they do this all the time. Every time they do the smallest thing, like have another pointless meeting, they put out a press release that literally says “and this once again demonstrates that the EU is sovereign!” Who says that? An absolute joke of an organization.
>>545162106it's because the EU wants to federalize but it's deathly afraid of populist and separatist pushpack so they have to move incrementally and discreetly and pussyfoot around every issue
>>545161091>FailThey were never meant to "win". Their goal was to develop a "legal" method whereby a domestic population of disarmed men could be genocided through forced conscription into a intentionally poorly fought war. To that end it was highly successful for the parasites that be.
>>545161091What do you mean with "fuckups"? Are you retarded? Who fucked what up?>>545162106>>545162262>discussing politics as if is not a big scam.Hopefully you are all vaxxed. How braindead can someone be to take this all still serious?This is all theater. A stage play. A sham. There is an agenda and this agenda gets executed. There are no fuck ups, errors, miscalculations.This all happend and happens on purpose.
>>545162423right and the plan is further integration obviously. black swan events to happen tho, if you think the world is ruled by omnipotent elite archons who can calculate in every detail you're also coping in a different way. the world is managed chaos
>>545162106Let me out of EUwe aren't in NATO is pretty much a blessing. Youths don't mind the conscription here since the leaderships won't even dare to go to war. Unlike Germany where every youngsters there opposed conscription; not because they are mentally cowards or physically frail, but they are aware on the malice of the German government leadership for the imminent war>>545162262EU federalism is nothing more than France & Germany duopoly. The abolition of veto rights is the surest way for that.And EU right now is nothing more than gibs: look at the EU future memberships. Countries that EU really wants them to join don't want to: Iceland, Norway, Switzerlandwhile countries that really want to join EU face hurdles: balkans, turkey
>>545162423What about the idea that mass immigration will boost economic system?
>>545162423No bigger fuckup than Merkels migrants and yall hlowing up your nuclear and nordstream
>>545161091>muh warmonger EUI know this narrative is not comfy for Russia / USA, currently, but it was the that EU had a policy of appeasing Putin after Georgia in 2009 and Crimea / Eastern Ukraine in 2014, and it was USA that pushed Ukraine to be more aggressive towards Russia.
>>545163043but why the fuck they haven’t talked to russia for 5 years, until literally all Ukrainians are killed
>>545163043Crimea and eastern Ukraine are Russian lands for a thousand years
>>545161091Ukraine lost which means the EU lostWhich means globalism lostWhich means the ~80 years Jews spent subverting Western nations and flooding them with migrants was all for nothingFew understand this
>>545161091the importation and dispersion of african invaders is far more damaging, and then in second place is refugees from syria and afghanistan being encouraged to arrive. ukraine comes after those.
I just don't understand how the Ukraine war is going to bring down Putin. I don't think Putin is on the verge of losing power or anything, yet 10's of millions of people are dying for this. It's enough already.
>>545162889>>545162899All this happend on purpose. This was no mistake, no error. Do you still not get that?This was done deliberately. These people are corrupt criminals, who serve other masters.
>>545163717NATO expansion violated the unwritten agreements of the 1990s. The West ignored Russia’s warnings from 2008 onward.NATO is a military bloc on Russia’s borders.
>>545163179Because the EU is led by hysterical, moralizing hags and effeminate, henpecked faggots. They also all seem to believe in some kind of “The Secret” cunt pseudo-philosophy of manifesting things by wishing for them.
>>545164069Nato expansion was probably the reason Russia's top brass put war on the table. But Putin has different reasoning. He buys into some weird Dugin stuff and thinks Ukraine isn't even a real country....etc. I think that's the reason the west hasn't assassinated Putin, because he's just the front for a deeper intelligence apparatus.
>>545161091How exactlly russia invading a non member country an EU fail?
>>545163567You're all retarded brainwashed schills. The truth is right in front of you, but you continue to worship war criminals like Putin and wannabe war criminals like trump, the silver spooniest, East Coast eliteiest, whiniest, bitchiest child that ever lived
>>545164190>He buys into some weird Dugin stuff and thinks Ukraine isn't even a real country....etc. Or maybe it's just this:>Nato expansionQuit the CNN shit.
>>545164198The war was about to be decided in negotiation, and at the last minute the EU intervened to keep the war going. The EU are the primary force that's keeping the war active. They are so fanatical for this war they're going to start drafting their own citizens soon
>>545164341>Quit the CNN shit.That is what Putin himself said during his interview with Tucker.Tucker was trying to feed him the narrative it was all Nato expansion...etc., and Putin went into a long spiel about Ukraine not being a real country
>>545162601iceland and norway is mostly about fishing rights. switzerland's neutralism is part of its national identity. in many ways they are de facto members tbftureky will never be allowed to join. 90mil muslims with free movement will cause the collapse of the EU due to nationalist uprisings
>>545161091Do commies really exist or are they just AI slop at this point?
>>545164227Putin is the best world leader by far. Every western leader except Trump is trying to kill off its own citizens
>>545164227It was not Putin who carried out NATO expansion, the interference in 2014, and the use of Minsk.
>>545164069>a pinky promise to a country that no longer exist>Yelstin and Putin even implyed Russia is interested to joinmuh NATO expansion
>>545164366>They are so fanatical for this war they're going to start drafting their own citizens soonthis will never happen. no western european soldier will be send to ukraine ( a non EU/NATO country). that would be the end of the unionwhat they are doing to is using the russian threat to slowly militarize european society again and up military spending
>>545164394Carlson did indeed ask about NATO expansion. Putin answered that question, but then deliberately went off into a longer historical excursion. This does not mean that the NATO topic 'was suggested by Tucker' - it means that Putin himself chose that framing: first historical truth, then security threat. And the phrase 'Ukraine is not a real country' was not in the interview - that is your paraphrase, not a quote.
>>545161091They can't end the war like this. Any ending that does not end in the unconditional surrender of Russia is going to be devastating to the EU banks. They already spent the Russian assets they froze a couple years back.
>>545164069>NATO expansion violated the unwritten agreementsbetter write it down next time
>>545164511For Russia, this does not change the perception of the threat; great powers react to potential, not to declarations. The US did not tolerate Soviet missiles in Cuba.
>>545164734The difference is that some places are worth fighting and dying for, and Ukraine is not one of them. Ukraine is a post-Soviet dump with no future and no economic prospects. When this war ends, all those soldiers exhausted by PTSD will be released into society without moral support and will destroy the corrupt government. Young Ukrainian women will never return because they will find sponsors and a better life abroad, which will make the country dead, with no hope of revival.
>>545164743since when is russia a great power? You are a family managed regional supa pawa
>>545164366that's simply not truethe Istambul negotiations failed not because EU or UK but for disagreement between Russia and Ucraine, mostly because Russia wanted to limit ucrainian army for onlu 85k personnel, pretty much unacceptable for Ucraine
>>545164853Russia produces ten times more missiles than all NATO countries combined. At the same time, starting next year Moscow will increase the output of such munitions by another quarter.You are completely mistaken if you really believe that NATO still exists and that Western Europeans will fight the Russians for some godforsaken holes like Romania.
>>545161091>the biggest fail of EUUhhhhh no, its obviously been the biggest failure of Russia.The EU isn't fighting in the Ukraine war, and they're supporting the side that's winning.All Russia can do is threaten to expand a war that they're already losing.
>>545164848>The difference is that some places are worth fighting and dying for, and Ukraine is not one of themThen why are you still fighting there?
>>545162262No country will just give up their sovereignty absent military force or extraordinary circumstance. Maybe a closer union between like minded and economically equal areas, the initial intention of DeGaulle and Adenauer. But after expanding it beyond Western Europe, it’s become a Frankenstein like entity juggling to many interests at once. The worst part is the economic integration without the political one, as France’s shitty governing/fiscal policies risk sinking the entire ship as their debt is chiefly in Euros they can’t even print away.
>>545165008Germany doesn't even have a military. Muslim faggot country
Time Magazine is the weekly lugenpresse but in the 1950s was normal. Was not so jewish then.
>>545161091if ukraine does not win and sends the russians back and back so much that they cannot move from the cuck corner for at least 40 years, then yes, supporting ukraine was the most retard political choice ever made by europe since after the ww2. if ukraine manage it is just even.is simply so bad.
>>545164921>Russia produces ten times more missiles than all NATO countries combined. At the same time, starting next year Moscow will increase the output of such munitions by another quarterYou are running under a wartime economy for nearly 5 years and it´s running hot. On the other hand, not a single country in the EU has even considered doing so
>>545164885>the Istambul negotiations failed not because EU or UKRemember when Ukraine nearly reached a peace deal with Russia and then Boris Johnson went to Ukraine to tell them not to cut a deal no matter what, the west would give them unlimited funds and supplies and they'd win for sure? 'Cause I remember.
>>545164848>some places are worth fighting and dying for, and Ukraine is not one of themThen go home.
>>545165370do you have any proofs for this?
>>545165446Will you torment Belgorod, Sevastopol, and Donetsk again?
>>545165459There is testimony from former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who served as a mediator at the time. He later said that the positions of Western leaders differed: Johnson took a particularly hard line, while on the whole the Western allies decided to continue the fight against Putin. When asked whether the West had blocked that negotiation process, Bennett answered broadly in the affirmative, although he was not speaking only about Johnson.Meanwhile, while part of the Western establishment continues to proceed from the naive assumption that technological superiority can compensate for the overall deterioration of the situation, Ukraine: 1) is experiencing a critical shortage of missiles for shooting down ballistic missiles, because they are not available in sufficient quantities even in the United States, which is engaged in a war with Iran; 2) is unable to ensure a technological edge.
>>545161091Biggest fail of Russia maybe.
>>545165607Russia has taken away territory the size if Greece away from Ukraine and landlocked them, stupid nafo troon
>>545161091Ukraine is an american proxy war, it and Iran have shown the world the emperor has no clothes.Petro dollar is over, as is their fake and gay jewish non-country.No people in history have ever deserved it more.
>>545165566And they were right, imagine signing agreements and trusting russians, they will backstab you like jews
>>545165872I cracked up when, by the start of the war, all articles about neo-Nazism in Ukraine disappeared from Western media. They just pretend nothing happened — classic Western hypocrisy.
>>545165566>There is testimony from former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennettthis indian/russian fairy tale again
