another german car manufactured by akmets in germany fails because no one wants their overpriced electric cuckmobiles
>>545190202Yeah sure the combustion engine ban is killing Germany's car industry. Surely that's why China is buidling electric cars. LMAO
>>545190202Audis haven't been made in Germany is quite some time. Their CEO (as opposed to the VW Group head honcho) said a few years back he saw no scenario in which Audi would ever produce anything in Germany ever again.But they should fuck off honestly. As China has shown an electric car should be dirt cheap. Somehow the Germans decided they should instead be three times the price of their ICE versions. With hilarious consequences.
>>545190202People realized kraut shitboxes are worthless and are buying Japanese.
>>545190202Fuck cars and fuck you, driving a fancy box you cant even fix yourself is not a replacement for manhood
Gee, it's a Mystery.
>>545190325China was heavily involved in pushing all the Green Deal shit. They couldn't have competed with us on ICEs, but they definitely can compete with us on EVs. Because we do not have any head start there, and we don't have the resources to produce them either, we need to buy those from China.German car manufacturers killed themselves with their own greed. All they saw were the profits they can hypothetically make if a whole continent is forced to replace their cars, and they never stopped to question why they believe it will be their cars that are being bought.
>>545190202isn't that a lesbain married to a jeetwhen will people stop electing these fake right wing female liars
>>545190451What was 2010 again, the Greek debt crisis? Either way, they really just started chaining the "crises" one after the other around that time so they'd always have an excuse to dial up their greed even more, with regards to basically everything.At this point, they wouldn't even know how to run the nations and businesses anymore if not for some artificial crisis they can use as an excuse for all the shit they do.You can easily tell they are artificial too because none of them ever get resolved, yet they are simply dropped a couple years later anyway.
>>545190489Your cars are world famous for being coveted by sand niggers and other nonwhites, and eastern untermenschen criminals, sit the fuck down and be humble you are a joke
People are still driving their 15+ year old Corollas because cars have been overall shit since 2010.
>>545190202They should just give up.
I'm currently studying and there is a horrifying amount of "educated" muslims with degrees in large german companies.And the ground floor productino has long been replaced by muslims. And jeets haven't arrived en masse (yet).Country is done for.
>>545190202>have kraut cars become overpriced pieces of overengeneerd junk, filled with unnecessary gimmiks>No, it's the windfarms faultmeanwhile Dacia is the best seller two years in a row.
>>545190202>AfD will save the automotive industryLmao, how? Your piece of shit ICE cars have no place in the future.
>>545190489>MUH China>it was real in my mind
>>545190202I know there’s better cars, but my first car was a 2006 audi A4. That was a great car as a college kid. Unfortunately I delivered food on the weekends and drove to classes through NYC roads so that thing was constantly in need of repairs, I think I've changed a tire like 10 times (it came with a full 5th spare with rim which I always do now because fuck dealing with spares or donuts that you have to go to a shop for in the immediate future).I don't even really follow cars anymore. I'm on lexus/Toyota forever now, but it killed me a little inside when I heard they got rid of the A4 line
>>545190202Wtf is this foid talking about? There is no ICE ban
>>545190489>China was heavily involved in pushing all the Green Deal shit.nope. they just made what the market wantedthe politicians were pushing all the green deal shit as an excuse to tax the shit out of the proleschina just called their bluff :)>They couldn't have competed with us on ICEs, well, they could, but it would've taken a couple extra decades>but they definitely can compete with us on EVswell, "competition" implies that you're in the game. you aren'tonly tesla and the koreans are competition>Because we do not have any head start there, and we don't have the resources to produce them either, we need to buy those from China.technically, europe absolutely has the resources and capabilitybut china has a, what, like 3 decade head start? they've been making batteries for various electronics since foreveralso much less in the way of environmental protection, tho that is ofc a bad thing, but it certainly keeps costs downthe real problem is that a long time ago, in a galaxy far away, the decision was made to allow western corps to outsource all their manufacturing, especially the dirty parts, to the 3rd world, china ofc being a main beneficiary.this was done to increase profits, and it worked brilliantly. stuff made in the 3rd world at 3rd world costs being sold to the 1st world for 1st world prices. yuuuuge profitsexcept ofc after a few decades of that, china realized they dont need the western corpos anymore, they can just make all the stuff themselves. they have the know how, they have the factories and the supply chains and everything. and now they're cutting the western corpos out of china, and competing with them in their home markets
>>545190202The problem is that German automotive started promoting native men by height circa 2010. HR wants them to look intimidating and in control in meetings. It doesn't matter whether they talk complete bullshit, as long as they pull a straight face.>>545190451It is almost as if consumer inflation does not measure inflation. Use M2 change.
YOU VILL BE DRIVEN BY UNRESELLABLE, BATTERY TINDERBOX MEME CARS, UND YOU VILL IMMOLATE>YOU VILL BE DRIVEN BY UNRESELLABLE, BATTERY TINDERBOX MEME CARS, UND YOU VILL IMMOLATEYOU VILL BE DRIVEN BY UNRESELLABLE, BATTERY TINDERBOX MEME CARS, UND YOU VILL IMMOLATE>YOU VILL BE DRIVEN BY UNRESELLABLE, BATTERY TINDERBOX MEME CARS, UND YOU VILL IMMOLATE
>>545190363You could part blame the cost of manufacture, of energy, of business, etc... but I'd bet the real reason is simply that these car companies still want to be the luxury car brands of the 90s as if the cost of living and economic rot hasn't companies obliterated their potential customer base.
>>545191153>the politicians were pushing all the green deal shit as an excuse to tax the shit out of the proles>china just called their bluff :)you're delusional mate. china aggressively lobbied for all the renewable energy and green deal shit, specifically because they knew it would massively benefit them by moving technology to an area where they can compete on even ground with the other nations.it was the smart move from their side, and it was an incredibly retarded one from our side to agree to it
>>545190489Maybe cheap ass 2x400 hp silent electric motor config is just better than ICE, package, NVH, dynamics from COG to control response times and complexity.>>545190633I would like to see the total tax quotas in these values. Not just officially named tax, disease insurance, U123, tax consulting, inflation tax, cost of government operations outsourced to the companies and workers, taxes on the products the workers need to survive, all of it.
>>545190932>Wtf is this foid talking about? There is no ICE ban2030? How long do you think it takes to develop and shift production to an entirely new technology? Do you really think they're going to wait until 2030 and then decide to start developing EVs?
Audi drivers tends to be dicks on the road, over here.Dunno why. People in BMW drive normal.
>>545191177>It is almost as if consumer inflation does not measure inflation. Use M2 change.>Inflation doesn't measure inflation. Please use some random measurement instead of the one that's directly fucking relevant to consumer retail, because, uh..
>>545190405Japan is also losing to China though
>>545190202>russian cunt with jeeta says thing
>>545191386Audi drivers are the eternal consoomers. Always playing status games like women, caused by a severe lack of testosterone. If you want them to stop being annoying little shits around you, buy a Bentley (but your socialist government took everything from you, so you can't). I recommend to move to a low tax country and become modestly rich. Life is so much better when you can keep the cattle at bay.
>>545190633This explain it perfectly. Even with cheap energy from russia, germany or any nation in the west cannot compete with the slaves in China unless the west wants to throw workers rights hard win over centuries in the bin just to enslave ourselves.I will not become a slave , get that idea out your head boss man.
>>545190202In the UK, the cheapest new Audi is the Audi A1 Sportback, which starts at £24,870
>>545191354>How long do you think it takes to develop and shift production to an entirely new technology?They could have done it by now if they just got with the times 10 years and not bank on paying politicians off until the last second. Adapt or die and they chose die.
>>545190202That's the same pattern as pic related:Attention grabbing bullshit, big promises, no possible plan to execute anything as promised.>energy costs (need to be) brough downHOW.>save automotive industryLmao.
>>545190672>Your piece of shit ICE cars have no place in the futurethe future is internal ammonia-hydrogen blend combustion via in-situ catalytic ammonia crackingbecause it's cheaper in terms of logistics and infrastructure, the fuel can be made from seawater, and it solves the hydrogen storage problem and the dependence on REE>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360319926012504
>>545191457The cost is houses, energy, cars, soon autonomous robotic systems, in particular, the personal share of all existing assets. M2 lags a little, but it is a way better tool for this.My cost of food and TVs is not even 5% of my yearly spending, and I'm quite stingy.
>>545190433But I can fix my car you inept poor moron
>>545191744>t. never owned an Audi
>>545191543>move to a low tax countryI'm not moving from the land of my ancestors. It's currently a depressing taxation hell, but it can only get better.
>>545190202Good. Audi and BMW are for criminals, bosnians and migrants. I would rather walk than drive a german car.
>>545191521>nafotranny seethes at real woman
>>545190325Also why China propped up the market in the mean time lel.>Maybe they did it because they love us
>>545191777give me golf or give me death
A Chinese poster summed it up well here a while ago, when the Chinese consumer is buying a German car they're expecting it to actually be made by detail orientated, fastidious German autists. The *who* of it's creation is a factor too besides the costs of making it.The Europeans did away with all this, but wanted to keep charging ripoff prices because these companies absolutely *want* customers to think that's still happening when this absolutely isn't whose making the cars anymore. The Chinese merely asked "so why pay these prices?".Doesn't help either the likes of BMW want to tout "made in Germany" when they were sneakily importing raw battery cells from China via Hungary.
>>545190202> demand China decoupling> shit on China for years> finally Chinese stop buying German cars> act surprised when profit drops yeah no surprise here obvious from the very start why isn't Weidel pointing this out? Its another item in the long list of failures.
>>545191901the EU has kaja kallas talking about how china didn't "win" in ww2 and seeing how chinks just reacted with mboppy, they absolutely will not buy any major euroshit product because of these offenses. social credit loss o algo
AFD UBER ALLES
>>545190325Actually, your retarded comment is why Germany's economy is collapsing.
>>545190202>Alice Weideldoesn't she lick jeeta snizz?
>>545190325Yes he fall of VW has very much todo with their full blown retard shift to EV that none wants, its not the only fault but a big one
>>545190325Batteries and electric motors are extremely simple design wise, basically unchanged from 100 years ago, as oppossed to ICE which is inherently reciprocating and has been refined relentlessly from the moment of its invention. Chinks can't simply close that gap and compete with the italians, germans , japs and frogs. Wake me up once chinks are able to build a mass production road legal 10k rpm twin turbo engine like lamborghini does in their latest Temerario. That engine can withstand 11k rpms , probably reserved for more limited series versions
>>545190202>buy (((german))) car>miss or skip 1 (one) oil change/firmware update/maintenance check/etc.>car completely breaks downvs>buy japanese shitbox>proceed to use and abuse it for 40 years>runs like a dreamwow, I wonder why people aren't buying 80k bricks?
>>545192098Not just EVs, the software and wiring on my 2021 Golf is completely fucked and no mechanic seems able to fix it and I've already wasted thousands on diagnostics, swapping out sensors and the fucking ECU to no availI will never buy a VW again
>>545190202Good.
They stopped producing cars people want and can affordQuality is going downwards too especially in software, i don't know a single VW car (or audi) of the last 8 years that didnr have major bugs and shitty media
>>545190202Good, Germany has to die, i fucking hate Germans and French controlling Europe, they are behind the open border bullshit cuckoldry, their countries are filled with fucking niggers and muslims, in Germany they even have full Turkish ghettos, its pathetic, i bet the people designing all these new German cars that look hideous and disgusting are non-Germans
>>545192158Thats one of the main other reasons, quality gone downhill, prices gone up, none wants car that doesn't work and cost 50k for entry shit
>>545192193es ist vorbei
>>545190202BMW and Audis are a status symbol in turd world, I prefer Japanese cars anyways
>>545192057
>>545192261https://youtu.be/gJurNFcSkvQ
>>545190202The sanctions are working
>>545192361Well it's a common story here, a gypsy from any Balkan state goes to work in the west and lives like a fucking bug scrubbing toilets and doing menial labour for 10 years, he comes back and buys a brand new Skoda instead of a BMW and that day becomes an annual mourning day in his village
>>545190325germany is neither USA nor China, you are way behind and you was not positioned as "high tech" from the startin the past german/japanese goods were reliable just (like british before them), people thought that disciplined white artisans make them following all ritualsthen ZOG decided to monetize it making them shitty, people were still buying during last 20+ yearsworld moved ahead, you remaimed in the past and became brown
>>545190202good riddanceI want all boomer companies dead
>>545190325Apart from the political and socioeconomic reasons...EVs are insanely cheaper to develop than ICE vehicles.
>>545190202>AfD cuntWorthless traitor to Europe, I hope she gets shot as soon as possible. The reason Audi and other German car companies are struggling is because they refused to move with the times and technology and remained fixated on obsolete ICE vehicles. An ICE car is the same as a horse & buggy at the time when Ford's Model T hit the scene - thoroughly obsolete. The blame for this rests solely on the shoulders of the management and directors of Audi, VW and so forth. China has decisively won the automotive race by going all in on modern tech. The German car industry refused to modernize.
>>545191386VAG worshipers are low class. Atleast with bmw you still get a decent enough vehicle.
>>545192672Croats overwhelmingly favour ICE vehicles over EVs
>>545190202Why is that foid giving her opinions on anything, and why is the AfD not focusing on total migrant death?
Good. Maybe someone will finally realize that affordable gas powered k-cars are the future once again.
Hybrids are awesome and balance all concerns. No clue why we don't go harder on those.
>>545190202I can't imagine what the huge rise of costs of everything in Germany has to do with the Anti-Nazi tolerance of millions foreignerd, including jews, and the Trump planned and Biden executed ban on Russian exports of natural gas and destruction of the Russo-German gas pipelines.
The only g*rman car worth getting are BMWs and you better be ready to get buttfucked by a dealership for literally every single issue or routine maintenance.
>>545190672BMW enthusiasts don't buy anything else and that's all over the world. Germany might end up just building M, AMG and RS cars and leaving the boring shit to China.
>>545192130>Batteries and electric motors are extremely simple design wise, basically unchanged from 100 years ago, as oppossed to ICE which is inherently reciprocatingWell there's the problem. Better technology always wins in the long run. Nobody wants to do oil changes and replace drive belts and shit. Babysitting your car is boomer tier behavioral sink.
>>545193164This. Pretty much the only thing holding EVs back at this point is charging related.
>>545190202Fucking Russians did this.
>>545190325Chinese luxury electric car = 30k$German electric car with shitty electronics and poorly made parts = 100k$ + tip
>>545192732the vast majority of europe does, except places like norway where ice is effectively banned (its not actually banned, just taxed to oblivion, which is the same thing)for an EV to make sense for you, you need to be able to charge at home. this isn't just a cost thing, tho that is definitely a factor, its mostly a convenience thing. a 20-30min charging stop in the middle of a trip, after you've already driven for 3-4 hours, is not a problem.you were gonna stop anyway for coffee/bathroom/lunch/stretching your legs/etc. at worst, having an EV adds another 10 mins to that stop. hardly the end of the world, especially considering most people only do long road trips a couple times a year.but if you can't charge at home, that 20-30min charging stop is a weekly thing. or twice, or thrice weekly, depending on commute length etc. so its after work, you wanna go home to cook/relax/see your wife/kids/whatever, but no, you have to go out of your way to a charger, hope there's no line (every person in front of you = +20-30mins of wait), charge, and then go homewhich is obviously a huge deal breaker for everyoneand guess who can't charge at home? why, everyone who lives in apartment buildings. and europe is pretty big on apartment living, especially in cities. we do have suburbs like the americans, but its much rarer.so, yea, the german industry dying is not about EVs. they've lost that fight too, but that's not what's killing them in europeinstead its hybrids: -toyota hybrids that have a (deserved) reputation for indestructability, unlike german ones that by now everyone knows are disposable leasemobiles-and ofc, chinese hybrids, which everyone assumes are disposable just like the german shit, but at least they're WAY cheaper and WAY better equipped. just tons more car for the money. and they have long warranties too.
>>545190325>killing automotive industry with the CE ban>destroying nuclear energy infrastructure because "muh environment"all military objectives in a war btw, and you're letting leftists do it from within
>be Audi>design the most complicated engines of all>add weight everywhere, including weight upon weight>mount as far forward of the front axel as possible>start going under after making piece of shit cars for decadesEuro car industry is a disgrace. These morons can't even design cars anymore, and they're put together by turks and other assorted shit people.
>>545192933>Hybrids are awesome and balance all concerns. No clue why we don't go harder on those.They aren't FOR electric, anonThey are AGAINST freedom
>>545192231Yeah and the bmw and Audi will still be running 10-15 years later. Chinese piece of shit will be toast with 0 parts availability and will be completely worthless. Also where is the s-class in that comparison?
>>545190325No one is really buying EV's overall. Stupid cunt.And no one is and especially buying German EV's.Your country is quickly going down the pan, go worship some more shitskins and kikes.
>>545191252>I'd bet the real reason is simply that these car companies still want to be the luxury car brands of the 90sIt's not that they WANT to, it's that the only value their brand has left is the dying perception that they still are a luxury brand that some boomers hold. They're incapable of making products that appeal to other markets, and it's not even just China's fault. Chinese cars are banned in America yet still there's not a single European car in the top 25 most popular vehicles.
>>545192231Retarded video, where is the video of them going fast around a corner, fucking idiot.
>>545196450>>545197062the cope brigade has arrived kek
>>545197398Fucking cum guzzling prisoner of mother England cock sucker. Hop into you Jaecoo and drive off a cliff you bitch
>>545190202I drive a 2 year old vw caddy at work. Beeps over everything, constantly fighting lane assist, auto start stop, every setting reset when turn the car on. The worst is the climate control on the touch screen. I will never buy an European car.
>>545190633Atleast the german goverment can give them allmost free energy to conpensate. Build fucking nuclear reactors and start goving energy for free. Use the money that goes to immigrant for the reactors. Kick out the parasites, germany will thrive again.
>>545190785They’re great cars and the interior is awesome.
>>545190202Seeing all the electric car shills freaking out in here is wild. They seem to be entirely missing the points. I’d buy an electric vehicle but it would have to fulfill some conditions>I am literally never paying extra for electric/hybrid/electric-adjacent-features. It is your job to manufacture and price a car to be appealing to me and not my job to want an electric car because you want me to want it>The car needs to not look like a faggot NPRmobile. You know exactly what I’m talking about>If I am going to be buying a luxury model German car or some other such expensive item, I have no particular desire for it to be electric at all. Too many screens all the time. screens screens screens. ipads in every corner of visionFix these problems and I’d buy one. Until then get bent.
>>545197760Yes buy Chinese cars. Sell out your continent and your people. Disregard the fact that Chinese cars are mobile spying hubs listening and recording everything to sent back to china to be analyzed and processed for intelligence purposes. Hopefully you work for government so they can buttfuck your country into oblivion.
>>545198093>memeflag resorts to hyperbolic binarity
>>545193516And here we have commercials where they ask you to not all turn on the dishwasher at the same time because the net wouldnt handle it. Now how are we gonna charge all those future teslas at night?It isnt even possible even if you would want to. In the mean time ill drive my vw 1.4 turbo petrol that can go 1000km on a tank.
>>545190202>paying 80k+ for a fucking vw
Good riddance, fuck cars and fuck boomers, go cry about it carbrain. Turn another field into a parking lot to celebrate you demonic unnatural locust boomgroids devouring everything
>>545197978german manufacturers have become very arrogant over the years. thery think you should roll out a red carpet when they sell you a car and that its a privilege to give them money. i know wagies at BMW and they are completely delusional. they think they are selling DeLoreans from back to the future
>>545191794
>>545198151The truth of the matter there is grave security concerns with Chinese cars that have already been uncovered, notably by researchers in Australia and there are bans implemented on Chinese vehicles entering secure installations. If you don’t think so, cool. It doesn’t change the fact.
>>545198223Hell yeah, parking lots are great for parking my 23 foot behemoth. Kys faggot
>>545198313>grave security concernsyup, boomie is concerned about his financial security kek
>>545190202Cars were too freeing to the citizensThey cant have that kind of mileage
>>545198334lmao, gottem. Another car toddler crying
>>545192219But your sure love our gibs, whatever you are.
>>545198235It’s absolutely insane how hard they try to force shit where it doesn’t belongEVs are still pretty faggy in most cases. That’ll probably change with time but for now they’re just not cool and again, too many screens.But you know what would be super cool as an EV right fucking now? Motorcycles. That noise they’d make. The torque/acceleration. The battery size to vehicle size ratio is more ideal. The ability for auto shifting.But i’ve never seen an electric motorcycle on the road in real life, ever.
>>545198449Cry harder poorfag
>>545198151>>545198151Ad hominems about flags are pissweak. My flag is gadsen, read about what that means you shitskin.
>>545198548Because it doesn't make sense. It's like building an electric horse and carriage. Motorbikes are ridiculously unsafe. It's grotesque how dangerous it is to ride them. People who use a motorcycle do so out of necessity, not because they like le lifestyle or whatever. Only boomers are that insane and their time is up
>>545198385How far did you stick your Chinese made dragon dildo up your ass today?
>>545198785Kek I didn’t say I’d ride one, just that it would be a cooler product than the cars they try to pump out and they could at least make it look much more appealing to the danger seeking insanefags because it actually would at least look cool.
>>545198611lmao, thanks for the admission that it's a colossal waste of money when only rich people can afford your cucky boomermobile. I accept your concession
>>545198785Motorcycles are so fucking fun, as long as you don’t drink and ride you are pretty safe. It’s like 80-90% of motorcycle deaths have alcohol involved
>>545190587One day arabs will slaughter you in front of your commie block and I will be laughing.
>>545198859You are one dumb mother fucker
>>545198859>I accept your concession You are funny Hans, not cool but funny
>>545190665>meanwhile Dacia is the best seller two years in a row.the slav gets it. Many people want a simple, affordable car but because our big companies are divorced from reality thanks to government handouts and years of cheap financing they don't sell those anymore. It's all about price, people are debt saturated and can't take our $50k loan for a regular vehicle anymore
>>545191246What alarmed the guy 2 seconds before the explosion? Did he realize he fucked something up?
>>545198920All those drunkies would still be alive if they had used a car while drinking. It's not the alcohol, it's the mode of transportation they chose. But i'm not complaining. At least theres less chance of killing someone else on a motorcycle
>>545199101As we all know, drunk drivers never get hurt in a car and never hurt anyone else with a car.
>>545198960>>545198975>No argument>muh funny maymaysI accept your concession again you illiterate mutts kek also don't talk to me with that memeflag you homosexual, know your place
>>545198093>chinks will listen to my trve kvlt bmmaybe they can learn something
>>545199151Yeah that's totally what I said you literal toddler kek
>>545198920motorcycles are the best organ donor machines ever invented.
>>545199204Just another seething poor euro. God it’s sad.
>>545190325The chinese are also building combustion engines. Even high end V12 stuff. Audi is making 4k € on selling a 90k € Q7. Out of the 90k € more than 10k € are CO2 fines, which they have to pay to the EU. Which they do not have to pay if they build their cars in the US. Which they are planing to do.
>>545199286>going in a circle back to the start of the argument because he has nothing else, even if he already got BTFOMost normal boomertoddler
>>545199383I’m younger than you. Just glad I don’t have the peasant mentality of a euro
>>545199349Where do I sign up? I know German. I want my employee discount.
>>545199204Ayo hol’ up*smacks lips*So what u saying*hits blunt*So what you are saying eat ze bugs, drive ze Chinese car, own nothing and be happy?Shieeeeeeet
>>545199421>the euros are the peasants, not the fat brown corn syrup fed mystery meat 56% muttsIf you're such a non-peasant why does a hospital visit cost as much as a new car where you live? Topkek
>>545199613>gets told to know his place>acts like a niggerAt least you understand simple instructions. There might be hope for you yet. You can do menial labor. Assemble car parts or something. Nigger
>>545199349V12 and high end stuff? Like the red fag limo? Cool (if you have the aesthetic tastes of Dr Evil)
>>545199706>poor european has to fall back on healthcare argument.You have nothing in life
>>545199811A Chinese car just flew over my house
>>545190325Audi is collapsing because their cars are now shut-tier and the service is even worse.
>>545190202We ban all internal combustion engines, IN GERMANY!
>>545199933>has no argument and hasn't adressed the previous argument eitherProjection. I have nothing in life? Whoa, easy there lmao. That's almost poetic. Calm down tiger, take it down a notch. Why so dramatic? I didn't mean it burger, stop crying
>>545200170Its well known euros are poor as fuck, stop being stupid. You have nothing like an average euro.
>>545190202Haha Tesla go ZOOOOOOOMfuck gas cucks
>>545190202good, fuck cars. take the bus nigga
