>nuclear war means all governments are gone and everything becomes ruins with Mexico filter and we are back to medieval age 95% of people unironically believe this. IRL total nuclear war wouldn’t affect even 1% of Earth’s landmass.
>>545200715enjoy seeing your child die from leukemia
>>545200715Nice math, is that like how jews are only 1% of the world poplulation type of math?
>>545200715People are mostly filled with cope and various doomed pursuits of illusive happiness.
>>545200875For instance:>and we are back to medieval age>Medieval people enjoyed more self-directed free time than moderns, with frequent holidays, afternoon naps, and breaks built into the workday, averaging around eight hours of actual labor. These leisure periods included feasts, board games like chess, storytelling, archery practice, and local fairs that broke up the routine of daily work.
>>545200715EMP's pulses from nukes will destroy most electricity systems....no electricity, no computers, no television, no phones, no single working factories to build anything...I would say after nukes humankind is not far from medieval age....except they least had working society.
>>545201039Many key systems are well shielded, perhaps if there were detonations in LEO, things would start to fail.
>>545200715>total nuclear war wouldn’t affect even 1% of Earth’s landmass.even if, it would collapse economy everywhere we probably wouldn't go all Mad Max, but with capital cities gone, transport hubs gone, critical infrastructure gone, the world would be back to post world war 2 state
>>545200815Didn’t say it wouldn’t be a disaster. Just not nearly as apocalyptic as people think.
>>545200715>IRL total nuclear war wouldn’t affect even 1% of Earth’s landmass.We know.
>>545201339True. But you wouldn’t be fighting radroaches with a club.
>>545201241Nukes will destroy all farming land with radioactive dust....all barren for hundreds years. Survivors only food after all reserves are consumed is meat.....animals or other humans.
>>545201524not trueexclusion zone in ukraine is life rich and so is the exclusion zone in fokushima
>>545200715IRL total nuclear war wouldn’t even be MAD. Russia would be a dead place after the exchange, the soviet republics in Central Europe would either switch sides or get wrecked by civil wars.
>>545201524What a faggot. Nuclear fallout is not Chernobyl.
>>545200715>all out nuclear exchange is no big dealThis is one strike against Russia. Not counting the retaliation from Russia and china.Then India Pakistan norks.Yes faggot. It'll big a big damn deal
>>545201039emp pulses that are sufficient are only generated in special stratosphere nuke detonations. stop consuming hollywood. "emp" weapons are sci-fi>t. ex missle artilleryfag
>>545201524modern nukes are designed for maximum damage and minimum falloutof course you can design ones that do maximum irradiation (like cobalt nuke for example), but such a weapon would be just retardednot to say that no one would use it. there's plenty of retarded nations out there and nukes aren't that complicated. they just require a lot of resources
>>545201524>hundreds yearsTactical warheads produce lethal radiation that disappears after 48 hours.
>>545202207>(like cobalt nuke for example)cobalt laced neutron bombs have NEVER been tested or even built. we only know about this effect because the soviets did a few underground "earth moving" tests that produced a lot of cobalt 60.it is a meme just like EMP
>>545201524holy shit nigga stfu you have no idea what you are talking about. complete nonsense. didnt you faggots have BASIC physics in school??
>>545202207>modern nukes are designed for maximum damage and minimum falloutNot really, the fallout depends on whether the fireball touches the ground or not. Airbursts generally produce very little localized fallout, even old fashioned pure fission bombs like used in 1945.
>>545200815The damage from fallout is vastly overstated, most isotopes from fission have halflives measured in hours or days. Unless you decide to drive right into the ruins of New York you'd be fine.
>>545202083>This is one strike against Russia.>Not counting the retaliation from RussiaWhat retaliation? Dead men can't retaliate.
>>545202382may be or may be notprobably better not to test itwhat's the half life of cobalt 60?Well, I checked, and it's like 5 years. That could render large areas uninhabitable for a few decades, which makes it a bit more usuable that I thought. I thought that it's maybe like 250 years and would render area it was used for uninhabitable for over 1000 years, but it would only be a few decades at most
this subject always triggers the fuck outta me. people just go with some shit theyve seen in a hollywood movie or in fallout 3 and think it is real. holy shit even skyrim is more down to earth than fallou.
>>545201884those spikes can also go inwardsever heard of tartarian bunker cities? best universities, most serious.
>>545202382>it is a meme just like EMPEMP is not a meme, Americans gave it a try once.
>>545200715That % of land is where everyone lived and all the infrastructure that matters exists
>>545202866did you read what i wrote? i think you misunderstood. it needs to be detonated in the stratosphere to make that huge emp pulse. i cant explain the exact physics of it. look it up. the effect exists, but not in detonations on land or over cities but far far above.
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>>545202902>That % of land is where everyone lived and all the infrastructure that matters existsAnd in case of Russia it's just 3 small (in relation to the total territory size) areas, then there is nothing but wastelands.
>>545200715this fear-mongering is being done on purpose so they can pretend to save us. then they will demand they be worshipped like gods for it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds&ra=m
>>545202866i had to learn all this crap in school classes in ze bundeswehr because we would have been responsible to "deliver" the nato nukes for the Rhine-wall-strategy if shit ever really hit the fan big time
>>545203030People really don’t understand how much land has nothing there. And people think farms and shit that will survive the nuking will still work without logistics and manufacturing remaining functional. Farmers only know how to grow shit with artificial fertilizers they have shipped to them from a chemical plant and industrial combines built in massive factories.
>>545200715You’re right in principle but wrong in scope, with current worldwide nuclear arsenal it’s a bit closer to 5% of the World habitable landmass that would be effected. Of course, after a year background radiation would lower to the point where only ground zero is still hazardous, but within that time a worldwide agricultural collapse and mass famine would have occurred. The idea that nations would collapse is a farce though, it’s far far more likely to cause a rally around the flag effect.
>>545202083Imagine protests from eco freaks after such an attack.
>>545202971correction: ground detonations do have an emp but it is very localized. to have an entire country short out you need the high up blast"pure" emp weapons like we sometimes see in movies DO NOT EXIST.
>>545202765Contaminating large areas with (radioactive) isotopes/poison is considered a warcrime because it affects everyone and everything except for the military. Radioactive isotopes aren't really better compared to cyanide poisoning aquifers or eradicating the fauna with deathicide.
>>545202971>it needs to be detonated in the stratosphere to make that huge emp pulseRight, but the test above Pacific proved it could work. Unlike other nuclear "doomsday devices".
>>545203321>warcrimekek'd
>>545203289Emp doesn’t matter, the power plants won’t be able to get fuel. Dams will be nuked, transfer stations that actually deliver power to cities will be gone. Refineries and wells that make diesel and natural gas will be wiped out, at least the biggest ones. Manufacturing districts that enable the harvesting and production of fuels and the maintenance of electrical infrastructure will be wiped out.
>>545202866sorry i messed up the posts. see >>545202203
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>>545203408thats whole different can of worms
>>545203289>"pure" emp weapons like we sometimes see in movies DO NOT EXIST.WOW! IMPOSSIBLE!
>>545203474It’s the actual problem. Emp is a red herring.
>>545200715Here's a fun fact, if you can see the flash of a nuclear explosion you're probably dead.
>>545203496yeah but a lot of people believe this crap. they just go with some hollywood shit, never looking into the subject and then go on fearmongering something that doesnt exist!
>>545200715If nukes are real, Israel will use them in the next 25 years. But they aren't, so relax.
>>545203408The real winner of the nuclear warfare is the one who still can keep things running and still has capability to fuck the shit of his opponents.This is why the infrastructure and civil protection defense is critical.Russia, in general, sucks at it. Their ability to retreat into the large empty space already lost its value in WW2, and now, in the era of satellites and aircraft, it's useless. Girkin said in 2023 that the one who retreats from critical, industrialized places to "occupy the mud" in some backwater place would be the real loser in any modern warfare.
>>545203936just a few weeks back i said to my boss when we were talking about this we as a country should keep a huge storage of pre 60s tech for that case. cars, farming machines, wargear blablabla. stuff that can be repaired in any case.
>>545203936The US is in even worse shape to handle a nuclear war. Smaller Russian towns were simply designed to be less reliant on high maintenance things like cars that require constant, uninterrupted manufacturing input and high levels of refined energy. A lot of Russian towns can survive on coal, durable static infrastructure and makeshift nigger rigging for the next 500 years
>>545203936the real winner of the nuclear warfare is the one who isnt part of it lmao>>545204189russia has 2 functional cities that are first targets without high maintance things like cars and helicopters they wont be able to to manage and exploit vast majority of their territorybig part of those borderline territories are also ethnic republics that will simply break off
>>545204189>A lot of Russian towns can survive on coal, durable static infrastructure and makeshift nigger rigging for the next 500 yearsIt's a meme. Those all poorfagvilles are completely dependent on electricity and gasoline. The places may look as if they belong to the XIX century, but it's a taxidermy. The XIX century economy and services are gone.
>>545205110>Those all poorfagvilles are completely dependent on electricity and gasolineYou have no clue what energy poverty in those area's actually is. You're the equivalent of wondering why peasants are starving if we could let them eat cake. The thought of having an oil/gas pipeline, a truck full of delicious diesel or an aluminium high voltage line pales in comparison of reality where the soviet union once thought it was a good idea to send their people into northern siberia with some seeds and an axe in hopes of conquering the siberian climate. Instead, people mostly froze to death.Yes, I have an axe to grind with you, true energy poverty isn't even cutting trees, its running out of stuff to burn in a bad season.
>>545200715>nuclear war meanslots of dead bodies
>>545204720>>545205110Russia has at least some capability of partial functionality in its hinterland that is more durable in a tech collapse than what the US has. The US has no broad, modular resilience or low tech fallback capability whatsoever. Russia has fewer points of failure before it loses industrial capability but that doesn’t matter, both sides will lose it. What matters is who can pivot easier to surviving in whatever mode is still viable. In Russia a lot of places still run on things like durable, low maintenance steam heat that works on coal and wood burning. They already have people used to living in hardcore rural conditions without cars. They already have at least some population that still relies at least partially on animal power for transportation and food production
>>545200999retard mutt
>>545202203I have read about this before, wouldn't someone only need 4 or 5 properly placed detonations to EMP most of the globe?
>>545206169yeah like two per continent. and i wasnt trying to shit on that. just that people think all nukes do have these huge effects. WMDs are kinda my thing and i tend to get grumpy about it.
>>545206427people these days cant even differentiate between a reactor and a bomb and it pisses me off. literally the first thing we learned in 7th grade physics.
>>545203321it's only a war crime if you lose
>>545205871You’re talking to a retard who thinks there’s two cities in Russia. I’m not sure you can reach him.
>>545202866>>545202971The real meme about EMP is people thinking it'll affect every single electronic device. It's a big threat to anything hooked up to the grid because power lines make a great antenna for picking up the pulse and channeling it into stuff but anything battery powered, and especially things like cars where the electronics are shielded by the metal body and isolated from ground by the tires, is going to be fine unless you're so close to the blast that you're dead anyway. The real worry with nukes IMO is that everybody is way too reliant on a huge globalized supply chain for everything. People often think they're safe because they're in rural areas that they see as self-sufficient but they're gonna be just as fucked when they've got no diesel, no spare parts for equipment, nothing to plant because modern crops are all bred and GMO'd to not produce usable seed so you have to buy it every year, no pesticides, and so on.
>>545200715I have actually been wandering just where all the worlds nukes are actually "aimed".Like are they somewhat spread out on every single country, or like 2k all going to hit Washington/Moscow/Beijing?
>>545202365It won't disappear...it just spreading all around....if over 2000 nukes used at war there is rare places without any radiation.
>>545200715
>>545205871USA has 6-10mln horses (depending on year and classification)russia has 1.3-1.4mln horsesUSA has 87mln cows/bullsRussia has 17mlnUSA has 50 000 donkeysRussia has 2 000 donkeyswhat russia has more is territory thoalmost double that of USAso where exactly is russia's advantage?
>>545206641well anything solid state will be fucked in that case. ssd obviously, and microchips in general. but if you keep your devices off you SHOULD be fine. its the reason why my 16tb drive never is plugged in unless i need it.
>>545201967Area around of Chernobyl is still lethal after 40 years....and do you really think than nuclear powerplants don't get hit when nukes used? People this site really deserved to survive nuclear holocaust....and live short time what you have left and notice how fucked up every way they are. Lucky people dying at instant blasts.
>>545206868and if you drive a electro-faggot-smart-car you deserve to die anyway
>>545206507A nuclear reactor explodes like an A- bomb if you shoot at it. I have seen it in a PC game.
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>>545207098lmao russians were diging fortifications in chernobyl containment zone 4 years ago plebbitor
>>545207448...and those soldiers there died for radiation poisoning....forgot read that one?
>>545206868Only if they're plugged into the grid, so yeah your desktop PC will be fucked but your laptop, your digital watch, red dot gun sights, portable generators, cars, anything like that is likely to be fine. Even smartphones, but they don't do much good without the infrastructure to run them.
>>545206641>>545206868IRC data storage devices would have to be contained in something that would act like a Faraday cage to remain usable after the fireworks show.
>>545207526kinda since it never happened plebbitorchernobyl doesnt even have contamination strong enough to killif you opened sarcophagus it could be different tho
>>545207627I believe our news and you likely your own sources...whatever they are RT-news?
>>545207535i use raspberrys only. other than that the most modern device in my house is a ps3 lol.i got myself this badboy:https://www.berrybase.de/berrybase-hackberrypi-cm5-linux-cyberdeck-taschencomputer-4-touch-display-tastatur-maus-5000-mah>>545207608yeah if i get a warning i have an old enclosed munitions box that should do the trick. otherwise use aluminum foil, like 0,5 centimeters thick.
>>545200715If Russia nuked every US city it would kill all of the niggers, jews and other non-whites. Out in the suburbs and rural areas, the normal white Germanic American people will survive and thrive. I would thank Russia for solving the intractable problem of endless niggers and jews.
>>545201039But we can still recreate those things we we wont have to rediscover electricity
>>545201884>>545202083what about China and India you retarded niggers?
>>545207703so show your source if you claim it happened you silly plebbitor
>>545201524Anon that’s retarded
>>545201524nah, like a few weeks at most
If I had control of the nukes, I would vaporize most of Africa and the middle east.
>>545207951>soviets
>>545208029>>545208125You guys really are optimists about your survival.....remember than most Russian's nukes are toward you and hardcored so no one can tamper their direction before launch.
>>545208199id just nuke berlin.manually.personally.on site. i need to be sure.
>>545208292Ill just try not to snort irradiated dust for a while and enjoy my spam burgers
>>545208292you have the education of a 6 year old and you need to STFU. faggot.
>>545200715I just want OP to realize that both Volcanoes and Earthquakes as well as Hurricanes release alot more energy then nuclear weapons do. We have be lied to and fearmongered by a tiny elite into think that nuclear war will mean the end of society.
>>545208363I hear Berlin is 90% African niggers too so yeah probably nuke them as well. I think most major cities in the world are full to the brim with seething criminal niggers. Look at any street video from any major city in the world and it's just endless nigger criminals trying to scam and cheat and steal. You could just nuke or firebomb every urban center and it would drastically improve every Western country.White people know how to build a civilization but what we don't know how to do is stop niggers from tearing it down after we build it.
>>545208292huh no credible sources about soldiers dead from radiation after all?
>>545208199>I would nuke stone-age civilizations back to the stone-ageSeems superflous.
>>545208407Fuck yourself hard troll.
>>545208595I am not here to serve you....that is mostly job for people in your country.
>>545200715>IRL total nuclear war wouldn’t affect even 1% of Earth’s landmass.no but it doesn't need to cause systems collapse
>>545208363Based. I always selected Berlin as the target at the end of the NOD campaign in C&C Tiberian Dawn.
>>545208658you are here just to make idiot out of yourself apparently plebbitoryou can go back to your homeland where mental children agree with each other tho
>Total Energy Output: Over its entire life cycle, a typical hurricane releases energy equivalent to about 10,000 nuclear bombRate of Release (Power): According to the >NOAA Hurricane Research Division, an average hurricane emits heat energy equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes.
>>545201524We set off thousands of nuclear weapons nothing happened You're Retarded XD
>>545203408There are not enough nukes for this.The US has* 348 municipalities with over 100k population (many of these would require multiple nukes to destroy, some even a dozen nukes)* 824 municipalities with over 50k population* 130 refineries* ~400 power plants with an annual output of over 3TWh.* 78 semiconductor foundries* At least a hundred strategic industry and military base targetsChina only has about 500 nukes that can reach the US. Even Russia only has about 1500 nukes that can reach the US. This is before considering that a substantial number of nukes would be destroyed before launch, or be destroyed in flight, or malfunction (nukes have not been tested since the 1990s). There are certainly not enough nukes to take out individual wells and lesser manufacturing districts.
>>545201884FYI, Moscow and St Petersburg contain about 13% of Russia's populationAlso FYI, although Russia only has about 1500 nukes on launch systems can reach the US, it has several thousand nukes on INF-compliant launch systems that can reach Poland
>>545210484Didn't we use up all of our anti-missile missiles against Iran and giving them away to Israel? What exactly would we be using to intercept the incoming nukes?
>>545202729There's a group of generals hiding under Kosvinsky Kamen (a 1000m tall granite mountain in the Urals) whose sole job is to push the button if Putin is dead
>>545210717Not the same type of anti-missiles. The system that would defend against ICBMs is primarily the "Ground-based Midcourse Defense" system. It doesn't work reliably and there aren't many interceptors.SM-3 missiles might be used in some cases, and I think those were used in the Iran war, launched from destroyers based in the eastern Mediterranean.
>>545200715they feed you a sexy grand apocalypse to distract you from the slow apocalypse they're enacting on you every day.
>>545210717No, most of our arsenal can only be touched if congress orders it, by declaring war or otherwise voting on a use or transfer to another country. There's a relatively small portion that's free for use without that happening and that's what we used up.
