What's the most common chud position on Ukraine war?To me, Ukrainians are defending their homeland. Opinion polls showed for years that Ukrainians are willing to fight (honestly haven't checked them in a while now), and generally Ukrainians I know I really willing to continue fighting. The conscription policies are harsh but natural for a country at war, especially with a similar situation to Ukraine. And they have been standing their ground against an opponent with air superiority, bigger army, and bigger economy.A lot of people in MENA hate Ukraine but that's just because Ukrainians are on the other side of the broader geopolitical conflict with the east, I see past that and I sympathize with them.
>>545252240The Ukrainians are defending the jews from Russian pogroms.
>>545252284Putin himself isn't antisemitic. It's not a "Jew vs goy" situation.
>>545252240Ukrainian are globohomo faggots led by a jewThat's it, not an opinion, just facts
My take is that there's been something fucky going on in Ukraine for a while with CIA glow ops, Hunter Biden / Burisma, and the biolabs (YES THE BIOLABS, inb4 somebody freaks out at me for mentioning them) and whatnot. The fact that the western powers are overwhelmingly in support of Ukraine in this also tells me there is something fucky. I also don't like Ukrainian or Russian men dying these brutal and horrific deaths like we've been seeing, though many here seem to be giddy over it, damaging their own souls with vitriolic bloodlust.
>>545252543t. russian cum guzzler
>>545252240>What's the most common chud position on Ukraine war?kike, Putin vs kike Zelenskyy warIt's a kike war and stuck in the middle the white people dying in the meat grinder, now I think it's over a million on each side.
Ukraine was created and didn’t exist prior to 90s.Ukrainian people and language is just Russian.Maidan was a CIA organized coup to get western aligned puppets in power.Donbass voted, overwhelmingly so, to secede from Ukraine as those people see themselves as Russian. The 2014 era Ukraine conflict within Donbass was a war of Ukrainian aggression.Ukraine’s unwavering resolve to join NATO violates Ukraine’s status as a neutral buffer zone between Russia and NATO and as such gives Russia just cause to not only annex Donbass, creating a new buffer zone, but also demilitarize Ukraine as the existence of an armed Ukraine creates an existential threat to the existence of Russia.
Ukraine's the best proxy war we've ever had. We've spent five years grinding through Russia's military, economy, international influence, and fighting-age population, while simultaneously rebuilding Western arms manufacturing, all without losing a single American. It's a perfect testbed for all our next-gen weapons, we're learning to fight a drome war from a safe distance. At this point Russia's demographics are utterly fucked long-term. To maintain support for the war, Putin's done everything he can to minimize its impact on Moscow and St. Petersburg, the only two parts of Russia that matter politically. He's drawn his army from rural areas, Siberia.Remember post ww2, Stalin's forced migrations east? As cruel as the policy was, it was a brilliant strategic move. Having all your population in two cities doesn't accomplish anything, you need workers living all across the frozen wastes to exploit Russia's rich natural resources. That's who Putin sacrificed. He can't even mass import jeets and niggers as replacement workers, they can't handle the Arctic cold and dark.It ultimately doesn't matter if Ukraine wins or loses, our goals have been accomplished, one of our main antagonists and rivals is crippled for the next century. At this point it may even be worse for Russia if they successfully annex part of Ukraine, with all the hatred and vengeance they've instilled in Ukrainians. It will be the Irish troubles times a hundred, they'll be letting millions of potential sabateurs and assassins within their borders.
>>545252240My point is men shouldn't be forced to die for globohomo.>But muh homelandNever forget>The land isn't yours>The home isn't yours>The women isn't yours>Even your money isn't yoursBut your body is property of the state and suddenly when there's a war people do a 180 from "we owe you nothing" to "you have to fight for us" and us is always the government and Bureaucratic stratum. Is there anyone more castrated than a modern man who willing die for a country that hates you?
>>545252240State sponsored genocide for and by jews.
>>545252240(((Zelensky))) and (((Shelomov))) cooperate in culling slavs population for new khazaria
>>545252240there is nothing natural about their conscription policiesa bunch of jews forcing goyim to the grinder should be condemned, always
>>545252240>but natural for a country at war,You'll NEVER catch my third world shithole needing to resort to such conscription strategies unless they sympathize with the invader
>>545252240Whatever position Trump has.(Bent over for Putin)
>>545252240>The conscription policies are harsh but naturalCan someone explain this part to me?
did we ever find out who the maidan rooftop snipers were? funny how that bit was memory holed.
>>545252240It's really fucking simple.The Russia saw an opportunity to expand it's empire and tried to sieze it.Ukraine is defending its existence and nationhood like any other nation would.Russians can spin whatever fucking narrative they want, it won't make a fucking difference. I will not in any circumstances be psy-oped into support foreign imperialism.The only acceptable European nationalist position is to defend European nationalisms against Eurasianist imperialism.You can argue that your specific country has much bigger problems and priorities that require internal attention and cannot afford the risks and cost to defend Ukraine in it's struggle, i respect such position but there is no squaring the circle that Ukraine stands for particularist nationalism and Russia stands for globohomo and Imperialism.
>>545256457Its never this simple
>>545256559In this case it is, indeed, this simple
>>545252962dude, being from montenegro youre prolly talking to one of these weasely pudor wretches directly who scurried off there once pidors szarted getting sent to murder and be killed in ukraine while still supporting this retarded imperial paranoia-war led by a child rapist boomernot a fan of america either btw
>>545256632Both Russia and Ukraine are just two different versions of globalism. In simple terms Russia wants to Russify people living in Ukraine, while Ukraine wants to Ukranize people living in Crimea, Donbas etc. You may assess the war through international law, but neither Russia nor Ukraine are ethnic nationalist projects. Both are empires, one is just bigger. Both are tryin to force people into their mostly fake identities.
>>545252240>What's the most common chud position on Ukraine war?Russians generally hate Adolf Hitler, Ukrainians generally like Adolf Hitler, therefore I support the Ukrainians, simple as.
>>545252240I think both sides are in the wrong here. On one hand, Ukraine was acting a lot like Cuba did for the US, basically serving as a proxy. If the US decides to invade Cuba then, I would be 100% supporting it, so it would be hypocritical of me to condemn Russia just for reacting to a proxy on their border. On the other hand, the Russian government goes completely against my interests as someone who wants to live in a Western society free from socialism and third worldism. Still, I have to admit I have a soft spot for Russian people just from gaming with them so much back in the 2010s. they were everywhere on video games!
>>545256861You won't like hearing what hitler thought about both of them then
>>545252240>Egyptian>Believes mossad propagandaChecks out, you guys have been psy-oped for a while.>>545252284>vidrelThey are replacing ukrainians with jews to have a backup israel.Same case with argentina, they want more israels incase they decide to nuke everything.
>>545256784There is no Donbass nation or identity being occupied and surpressed by Ukraine.There are Russians, whose loyalty lays with the Russian state in Ukrainian territory and are using their demographic pressure as leverage to justify removing the annexation of that land from Ukraine into Russia. If they are Russians they can just move to Russia where they belong.There is a difference between say Catalonia wanting independence from Spain vs the Milion British people living in Valencia and Andalusia declaring that those territories should belong to Britain.There is no Catalonia 2.0 for the Catalans, but there absolutely is Britain for the British who don't like being governed by Spain.
>>545254588>>545252724>>545256149See the image I attached and the video in the post I will link that I made under this sentence:>>545257042Basically you just got redpilled my friends, Ukraine is a backup israel from a plan in the 90s with the borders almost perfectly showing the current frontline in addition to crimea.The video on the post I lposted earlier shows the replacement is currently happening, the video is like 2 years old if I remember correctly.They are making backup israels, which also explains the argentina forest fires and why glowies suddenly back them seizing islands from Britain.Israel is metastasizing because its current political situation has made it clear it can't exist longterm without essentially causing mass genocide globally.By 2030 I think we will have ww3 and it will be escalated to nuclear weapons, and a few jewish states are being created now to benefit in key regions, resources in places like Russia are planned to be looted.>but that is retardedYeah jews are retarded that plan is absolutely idiotic and that is why we can assume they would do that.Remember they annihilated their support base in the west with immigration and economic abuse for no reason, that is a self-own but that is the jewish mindset.
>>545252240>What's the most common chud position on Ukraine war?The jewish empire backs ukraine, zelensky's a yid.
>>545257184And even if there was a legitimate Donbass identity separate from Ukraine and Russia, Russia is not fighting for such liberation but for annexation. All the "liberated" republics were promptly annexed. Therefore even if we analysed the conflict as a value free conflict between two power structures competing for land and power, the Principle of Balance of Power dictates that the logical European position necessarily lays in supporting the side who is not aand cannot be threat (Ukraine) against the side that can be and is (Russia)
>>545252240>talmudic faggotcommunist globohomo vs thirdworld faggotcommunist globhomo
>>545257184Well, if Ukrainians want to be Europeans, they should just move to Europe where they belong. See how this works? The problem with your logic is that you are thinking about this in civ nationalism terms, not ethno nationalism like you claim. So do both Ukraine and Russia. Neither cares about ethnicity and both believe being Russian/Ukrainian is based on language and self-identification, not genes. This is the root of the problem here - two empires are fighting over who can dictate people on a certain territory who they should consider themselves to be.
>>545252240Completely pointless war that's only made worse by the US.Ukraine had its grievances with Russia, but generally they were a decent but fucked up ethno-linguistic family despite all the bad blood that's occurred since the Russian Revolution. Had Zelensky not being a puppet of the Americans, he could've settled the issue by turning Ukraine into a neutral connector state that would've benefitted immensely from the EU/Russia trade. Instead he chose to take a pro-NATO stance that is not an acceptable option for the Russians.Perhaps Zelensky ultimately wanted to protect his own skin, since the US has been involved in Ukraine since 1991; American backing of Ukrainian ultra-nationalists and the takeover of Ukrainian intelligence networks was well documented, culminating with the famous visit by Victoria Nuland handing out cookies in the aftermath of the Maidan revolution.It could very well be that Zelensky would've been killed had he chosen to sign the peace deal that would've saved Ukraine.
>>545252240>What's the most common chud position on Ukraine war?jews on both sides putting as many slavs in the meat grinder as they can4 years of war with basically nothing changing, just millions killed pointlessly
>>545257602and this is what they want for the future of every european country, the last ploy in their battle against amalekthey will send every european man they can off to die a pointless death
>>545252240A part of war is psychological. So With Russia on the boarder of eastern Ukraine with DPR and LPR, theres an argument Russia can make for their war being just. But if Ukraine moves away from the front line Russia pushes forward, so its a catch 22, where I think, diplomatically Russia has the upper hand in negotiation where they cede territory to end the war.However the real point of contention, I feel, is Ukraines loss of Crimea. So Ukraine will never ceded Crimea, even tho its already lost, since 2014. America is right in their opinion its a war of pointless dying that further dooms humanity, so great job you guys.
It's like Ireland 100 years ago. Ukrainians don't want to be ruled by Russians and Russians don't want to be ruled by Ukrainians and so the country will have to be partitioned.The purpose of this war is to determine the location of the line of partitionAnd just like Ireland, the reason there's so much bitterness and hatred is because each side unironically thinks the other wants to genocide them.
>>545252240conscripting people that dont wanna fight for you is slavery. you just mald at russia bc youre an al-sharaa jihadist muslim brotherhood nigger. hopefully, someday i will blow you up.
>>545257497>Well, if Ukrainians want to be Europeans, they should just move to Europe where they belong. See how this works?They are in Europe Ivan.>The problem with your logic is that you are thinking about this in civ nationalism terms, not ethno nationalism like you claim. So do both Ukraine and Russia. Neither cares about ethnicity and both believe being Russian/Ukrainian is based on language and self-identification, not genes. This is the root of the problem here - two empires are fighting over who can dictate people on a certain territory who they should consider themselves to be.Politicians can see it entirely as civic, just like they do here and everywhere else since 1945. But that doesn't mean the existing ethnic nations don't have validity just because they are not recognised.Ukraine has a realistic correlation between ethnic nation and civic state, all Ukrainians even those who considered themselves Russians and speak share the same history and ancestry. The same cannot be said about Russia which is one of the most ethnically diverse empires in the planet and self-conscious as such.Besides once again, even if you did surrender to an entirely materialistic analysis of two civic power structures struggling for more land and power, the Balance of Power argument still gives Ukraine the consideration high ground.
>>545257184the creation of the ukrostate came with stipulations, which have been broken and thus the state itself is invalid. you all know this yet you argue, thats why you will meet death.
>>545257953The stipulations were that you should protect them if they were invaded by Russia and you broke them by the way so your word is invalid and that's why your Empire has been reduced to only Israel (and even that won't last much longer)
>>545257897>But that doesn't mean the existing ethnic nations don't have validity just because they are not recognised.Ukrainian one does not because it is extremely diverse. A "Ukrainian" from Odessa is usually some mix of Russian and Jewish, while a "Ukrainian" from the West is ethnically Polish. And both will differ from a "Ukrainian" from the East. So, Ukrainians can have a national identity, but a civic, no an ethnic one. Which is exactly what they are doing - anyone living within Ukraine is considered Ukrainian by default, regardless of the background. All they have to do is lean the language and then it doesn't matter who you are ethnically, you are now Ukrainian. If you don't want to, we'll just force you to learn it and turn you into a Ukrainian. This is not how ethnic nationalism works. Ukraine could probably have ethnic nationalism as well, but for that they would have to cut their state all the way to the very Western parts where "pure" Ukrainians actually live.>Balance of Power argumentWhich our conversation is not about. If you put this forward as your main argument from the start, I would see no problem with your logic. But you went the "ethnic nationalism" way, which does not hold water.
>>545256149I like how they cuffed then but let them keep their phones
>>545258187Ukrainians are absolutely an ethnic group, far more than Russians.All Ukrainians cluster genetically, they have the same ancestry, Russians don't, and I don't even mean the Asiatic/Turkic/Islamic ones, i mean the East Slavic Russians themselves, some are essentially Baltic peoples with the same ancestors as Fins and Estonians, some share ancestry with Poles/Ukrainians/European slavs, some share ancestory with North Caucasian people. It's a mess. Ukraine IS an ethno-State. Belarus IS an ethno-State.Russia isn't, never was,and likely will never be unless significantly balkanized.
>>545252240> Ukrainians are defending their homeland.Ukraine is not a real country. It is a political movement AKA junta. And they attacked ethnic Russians> Opinion polls showed for years that Ukrainians are willing to fightUkraine has no free speech and transparency. It is a military dictatorship without election so any poll is compromised by default> and generally Ukrainians I know I really willing to continue fightingThey live in Poland and UK, ofc "they" are willing to continue> The conscription policies are harsh but natural for a country at war,Yeah, but that war can be canceled by a single signature from Zelensky which actually make life of these people SIGNIFICANTLY better. Russians are carry civilization, rights and free speech with them> And they have been standing their ground against an opponent with air superiority, bigger army, and bigger economy.Russia is using only 2-3% of it's military power. Our mobilization reserves something around 20-26 millions of people.For us it is actually not a war, but a special military operation by expedition forces> but that's just because They are smarter than you are
>>545258135go back to school and learn what a state of matter is
>>545258414who does zelenski the midge kike cluster with? is he an og rusyn? lmao even. ukraine is red russia.
>>545252240to me, ukrainians are jewish and have lost half of their country's population. I'm rare and based though, and see reality, it might be difficult for you to accept as a kikeslave
>>545258414If you want to keep arguing in bad faith, we won't be able to have a proper discussion, anon. Although you are likely not looking for one, so it's fine. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but, as it appears, in vain.
>>545252240Russia is a failed fascist state that needs to be wiped out or we won’t have security in Europe and all the way down to South Caucasus
>>545258565It is not just Jews, Ukraine is a cluster of different nationalities mixed together. It was almost unavoidable based on their geography. It has Jews, Russians, Poles, Tatars, Gypsies, Turks, Ukrainians, Polish and many others mixed together. This exactly why Ukraine is doing a civic nationalism based on language and values, not ethnic nationalism. In the latter case they would not be able to exist without federalization because they are very different people ethnically. This person, for example, can be considered (and is considered) a Ukrainian under current civic nationalism, but could never be named such under ethnic nationalism.
>>545252240The position you described is the most chud. You literally ignore the roots of the conflict and the fact that more than half of its population left the country and apply a retarded rhetoric (west v east) which doesn't work with Ukraine. Don't forget to mix up your position with this >>545256457 retard and you ll have the most chud position
>>545252240The fact that your people see yourselves as fighting a civilizational war with the west is the problem.We dont see it that way, but if thats what you want thats what you'll get
>>545258995Even their civ nationalism is weak. They are cuckolded on their European dream and the name of their country literally translates to borderlands. Mosquito kingdom tiers of civ nationalism
>>545252240jew war by jewish jews jewing jewishlytotal goyim death
>>545259109I am just explaining what they are trying to do, not evaluating how successful they are. In my opinion, it is quite weak, but strong enough for people to buy it. However, like 70% of it is a scam to find a way to detach from Russia and then be able to enter the European economic zone in hopes of free money. Which is a valid reason, I suppose, but very far from actual sense of nationalism, be it civic or ethnic. In reality Ukrainians do not believe in anything but money. I am not saying this as an insult, that is just a fact.
>>545258501Not an argument >>545258565Not an argument >>545258680For what it's worth I think you argued in good faith enough. You seem the only one making arguments here.>>545258998Not an argument
>>545259585>Not an argument>Not an argument>Not an argument
>>545259850Seethe
>>545257497>2026>Ukraine is a fucking Empire nowhilarious
>>545252240/pol/turds are retarded and believe le based trad russia™ will magically fix their shitty lives
>>545258187K, here you go fag.
>>545252240Ukranians are defending their homeland. But I think at some point if you are losing the war of attrition (however slowly and with however many dead enemies) you need to either admit defeat, or accept that every single one of you will die.Ukraine is picking the latter but nobody is willing to admit this.
>>545255874The bad side of that is that Putin is probably the least zogged White leader on the planet.
>>545260738I dont believe you can actually read english you turbo brown nigger. But thank you for your attempt at participation on our internet.
>>545252240If they wanna fight then let them, just not on my dime.
>>545252240>Ukrainians are defending their homelandTheir "homeland" vooted to join Ruzzia, get over it.
>>545252240Choosing to side with Russia which is winning is the path of lesser resistance.Ukraine is Russia. Poland will be too when it's their turn.
>>545252240Imagine if Texas seceded from the USA to be it's own nation because the USA was collapsing and rebranding but they still traded with the USA's businesses, however some big South American economic or security compact wants in on that action. The newer USA still has problems but is objectively better than it used to be, the South Americans want a buffer against the USA and are trying to pull Texas into their fold or install sockpuppet politicians of their own. That's pretty much the situation in Ukraine, their initial reasons for leaving were more economic than anything because Soviet management was terrible and bad shit happened as a result of it but it makes more sense for them to rejoin Russia.
