>yes AI will replace most jobs in the end>BUT WE CANT HAVE UBI CUZ DAS GOMMUNISM AND UR A LAZY PIECE OF SHIT LEFTOID TRANNYSo what's your rightoid alternative then, mass starvation? Or the entire population have to work 8 hour bullshit jobs like "communications coordinator" or something, just because.
>>545258478They want the masses to prostitute themselves to tech oligarchs or worse if they don't want to starve.
>>545258478They kill us all then sit around in sociopathic greed orgies on their ultra yachts watching their fake stocks go up until the sun burns out
I work like 11 hours a day. How do I get one of these communications coordinator jobs instead?
>>545258478this world belongs to the billionaires their AIs and robots will just trade with each other there is no need for you in Utopia
>>545258478I fucking hate you Swedophile
>>545258478>everyone HAS to work>you're NOT entitled to the possibility of workingthe duality of the mentally retarded capitalist****wageslave who thinks he's a capitalist
>>545258587why don't you just call them what they are, jews?
>>545258691There'll be plenty of jeets in that category too
>>545258478>BUT WE CANT HAVE UBI CUZ--because the elite aren't gonna pay you to sit around enjoying a non-productive life, they'll just fucking kill us.Why on Earth would you think that they'd do anything else? Are you 12 years old?Anon they're not going to pay us just to be alive, they're going to steeply reduce the population through coordinated famines and war. It's baffling that you never figured that out for yourself, it isn't exactly hidden or anything.
>>545258478if AI can do everything, why the ruling class need browns and low IQ whites for? they can all starve to death or go back to self sustained small communities, just like natives used to live.
Say UBI became a real political possibility and the one shot for the people to escape forever dystopia.Would rightoids shoot it down? I think they would.
>>545258905>they'll just fucking kill us.chinese fpv drones and home lab glassware level the playing field.
>>545259035>muh sidesYou're not gonna survive what's coming, and the sad part is that you'll be confused as to why it's happening even though multiple people warned you well in advance that it was coming.
>>545258478They’re definitely not getting UBI now with AI replacement readily available that ship has sailed like it’s over never gonna happen now
UBI is rations. When do rations occur?? Hmmmmmm
>>545259193I'm aware, but that's because I'm in a boat full of unthinking retards dragging me down with them (rightoids in particular), not because the solution I propose is wrong.
>>545259193What's coming then? If you can't define it, I doubt you're ready for it.
Universal SNAP
I need my old jawb back.Welp. :(
>>545259279STFU idol worshipper
UBI means rationing, couponing, some other supply shortage symptom. Because that’s what it is, supply shortage dressed as “currency”.
>>545259412I fuck your ass
>>545259301>no no no but MUH SIIIIIDESI'm glad you won't make it, the world doesn't need (you)>>5452593568 posts up you illiterate faggot. I'd tell you to kill yourself but your government is already doing that. Fuck's sake, imagine actually believing for half a second that the richest, most powerful and degenerate/evil people on Earth will PAY YOU just to sit around enjoying a life where you don't have to work. The ones who fuck kids and get away with murder and puppeteer entire populations and engage in weird cult shit, THOSE people are going to pay you to sit around playing vidya?You're all retarded.
>>545259511Exactomundo>>545259511
>>545258478Curiously enough most AI execs have advocated for UBI
>>545259532They might, if it benefits them though. And the benefit is that they won't have mobs of starving people coming after then wherever they go
>>545258603Those jobs aren't for you, anon
Imagine some ooga tribe living isolated in the amazon, on the brink of survivial. One day, one guy invents the fishing net.If his tribe were full of rightoids they would insist only he gets use it while rest of them keep starving trying to catch fish with their hands. Anyone suggesting that hey, maybe this could benefit all of us would be told he is lazy and entitled, trying to parasite on that other guys work.And then they all die. This is what rightoids want.
>UBICool enjoy your poverty wage gibs to not starve while all assets are held by the 1% forever. You know what's a better idea? Nationalizing all those assets and distributing the proceeds equitably under socialism. They're proposing UBI to try and make neo-feudalism workable retardo not out of benevolence
You will never see UBI no matter what happens.You're really naive if you really think you'd just be able to live for free doing nothing with nothing to worry about and everything handed to you and you're just taken care of completely at no cost whatsoever.
>>545259988truth nuke checked
>>545259952>no retard, here is what we have to do: The exact same thing except the name is differentBravo
>>545258478>So what's your rightoid alternative then, mass starvation?That's exactly what will happen, the elites won't need us anymore and they will kill us all,and anyone who talks about "muh UBI" is either delusional or a shill trying to placate the masses before their death
>>545258478>So what's your rightoid alternative then, mass starvation?Before modern social systems and the labor, children worked in coal mines and people lived in overfilled industrial slums, in fact a good part of the world population lives like this. Why do you think those billionaires won't tolerate you living in absolute destituteness when they have or are already tolerating those things.
>>545259988Checked and true
>>545259988I'm asking what is the alternative.All I'm hearing from rightoids is NOOOOOO NOT GONNA WORKKKKKKKKKKThen what, you absolute fuckwits.
>>545258478If AI replaces all the jobs why do you even need UBI? Just have an AI feed and clothe you and go about your life without working.This is the problem with communists, no imagination, just an obsession with being cucks that own nothing
>>545259988>You're really naive if you really think you'd just be able to live for free doing nothing with nothing to worry about and everything handed to you and you're just taken care of completely at no cost whatsoever.Millions of niggers are doing that right now
>>545260216You think governments and corporations are just going to give you free housing + AI powered robot servants + free food just because 99% of jobs are now automated? I wish I had your level of naiveté
>>545260261Why would the government have to give it to me, I will just buy it, with my money
>>545260216So the same thing except capital is not an intermediate.How though? Some points system? Sounds a lot like capital.
>>545258478>So what's your rightoid alternative then, mass starvation?you eating everything I can produce, then proceeding to eat my reserves used for the production and not being satiated do not stop starvation from happening, dear zimbabwe level economics bro
My rightoid alternative is buy stock in the companies you claim are going to lead to mass unemployment and ride the wave while dum fucks wait around for a government handout.
>>545260368You seem to be confused, lol. If AI replaces work why is the solution a bread line and not everyone having their own AI bread machine, if AI has truly replaced work then there is no need for any societal organization at all, at least for the distribution of resources.
>>545260487So anarcho-capitalism?
>>545258478There is no such thing as AI. You thought a big government would give you a better life but a big government is only possible by stealing the productivity of the working class through inflation. Learn how the world actually works if you want a better life, faggot.
>>545258478>It isn't enough for trillionaires and robots to rule over me, I also want them to keep me alive on a UBI dripfeed that they can threaten to withdraw at any time.>I want the government that empowered the trillionaires and robots to have complete direct control of my income, under the guise of helping me
>>545260125>I'm asking what is the alternative.You starve to death because you're useless.
>>545260593>this isn't the current situation already
>>545260487You know I never thought about it, but anyone with a modest backyard/front yard could get an Optimus to farm and raise chickens or whatever for them. Doubt you need massive acreage to feed a household if you have Optimus tending it 24/7.
>>545260636Yeah but IF there will be a UBI (and it won't),it would get worse
>>545260593How is that worse than some random asshole (your employer) controlling your income?
>>545260532I am ancap yes, but I’m just fucking with this retard. AI isn’t going to replace work, like all technology it will create more jobs, work is a commodity like any other and economics does not discriminate between goods, it’s based on supply and demand, subject to marginal utility, the more work we have the more uses for it we will find. Demand is infinite, as powerful as AI can be so to can its tasks be difficult, we will always have a place to contribute.
>>545259988>You're really naive if you really think you'd just be able to live for free doing nothing with nothing to worry about and everything handed to you and you're just taken care of completely at no cost whatsoever.up until the point the population de facto lives in a containment bubble, they're literally your captives unable to leave and fend for themselves, at that point you have to feed them or they perish
>>545259988elon musk literally said a few days ago that AI will allow everyone to live like they are rich and with UBI lol
>>545260714because you can just go get another job, you exceptionally low-IQ nigger
>>545260657You're not gonna wring away enough land for an entire population to sustain itself individually.Something drastic would have to happen.
>>545260694>source: my ass
>>545258478>>545258587>>545258591>>545258603I have land and a farm so I'm set. You kids have fun.By the way, my net worth in March 2020 was $5K. If you didn't spend the last 6 years doing what I did, you are beyond retarded and unironically deserve what's coming. No excuses.
>>545258478Chances are that they're going to let people starve and die. Useless eaters aren't needed anymore. Only the rich can have their robot servants make food for them ,clean, and etc.
>>545260766>Elon Musk said
>>545260842>my parents set me upGood for you
>>545260657Yeah exactly the problem isn’t even how socialists are framing it, anyone with a tiny bit of land is gucci if AI is as disruptive as they think.>>545260807And yet there is already plenty of public land for you, so there’s no problem, you don’t need to fuck with any of us property owners anymore to accomplish your goals.
>>545260864i should have laughed harder, i'm not on his side. ive been saying he's been trying to talk about UBI while at the same time shitting on literally anyone living on SNAP or "handouts" while he literally just took 16 billion in handouts THIS YEAR
>>545260833>source:logic and basic ass pattern recognition
>>545258478There are two alternatives:1. A great culling of at least 3/4 of the global population.2. Human power plants: Humans are fed a nutritionally complete slop and forced to manually cranks and also jump on energy-generating human-powered machines for 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. With breaks.
>>545260894>just turn yellowstone into your personal farmlandlmao
>>545260944You couldnt recognize your prolapsed anus
>>545261040Not all public land is your favorite vacation destination, are you just trying to be difficult now? If you got everything you ever wanted it wouldn’t be enough because then we would have all the better stuff?
>>545260893My parents fucking screwed me over and set me back, so did my wife's parents. I have never received a dime from either of them.Like I said, NO excuses.
>>545261108What, public land in the US is free-for-all? This is news to me.
>>545260125>What's the alternative The answer is you need to start thinking worst case scenario, because that's what you're going to get before UBI.>Manufactured wars>Pandemics>False flags>Health care cutoffs>Environmental control>Etc.They will just create an economy of you dying if you aren't useful in their machine.
>>545261067Talks one of the gayest countries in Europe
>>545261175>except that one gazillion is received, but my parents are total jerks!
>>545261178Trying to be difficult, gotcha. You lost tranny, sorry you’re retarded.
>>545261236No you're the fucking retard.99% of viable land is already bought up by some conglomerate you massive faggot.
>>545261232Cope. I earned it all from the sweat of my brow, and you could've done the same. (You) didn't so (You) will either starve or die in a trench on the Polish front of WW3.
>>545259952>enjoy your poverty wage gibs to not starve while all assets are held by the 1% foreverYou are already here, except you have to grind like a slave to get the gibs. You clamor for the opportunity to continue this rather than having a robot take your place. The robot is going to take your place anyway, it's just a matter of time. You should get ahead of it with policy.
This nigga over here is really thinking of the future like a 12 year old Barbie-head would
>>545261324>everyone will die except me!Righoid cope. If the powers that be decides to take everything away from you, it will. Nothing you could do.
>>545261025>2. Human power plants: Humans are fed a nutritionally complete slop and forced to manually cranks and also jump on energy-generating human-powered machinesincredibly wasteful, at least have them shovel coal.. oil powered boiler would be even more efficient thohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzYxW59R95w>We have to fire up the engines, supply them with coal>And if we get too weak we are burned as fuel>I have seen my comrades getting burned down here>Counting my days until it's my turn>Aboard this flagship>We are prisoners of war, prisoners of war>Used as human resources>We haven't come very far>There's no more hope>It's a war without an end, a war without an end>A fight against humanity>Nothing more to defend>We haven't seen the sun for uncountable days>The only light we've seen is the fire of burned bodies>Our skin's stained black by dust and by coal>The smell of burned flesh is present everywhere
>>545261460with sufficiently advanced civilization the distinction between military civilian capacity becomes blurred, there is no such thing as an unarmed spaceship
>>545259356Some kind of Tower of Babel tier event Those are all stories about previous times similar things have happened I don’t think it’s gonna be a time to ride the tiger bud.
>>545261460TPTB have ALREADY taken everything from (You), and you did nothing. I may try to survive and fail, but you didn't even fucking try. So you WILL be on the front lines. Enjoy the fireworks.
>>545261333If the government would stop giving the 1% infinite money? They wouldn’t be 1% for very long.
We could have everything if we really want it, we just need to spam it here and start le memetic magic to influence the whole internet like we used to do
>>545258603Adult daycare jobs are for women only sorry anon
>>545261603>muh prophecies muh end times
>>545260307With what money when you're rendered permanently unemployable by AI automation?
>>545261603>Some kind of Tower of Babel tier eventtheres a whole novel series about this>The Council Wars series explores the chaos that ensues after a high tech civilization collapses on Earth. [..]>set several thousand years in the future, in a society with advanced nanotechnology, teleportation, and other technologies which effectively are magical in the sense of Clarke's law made real, all controlled and coordinated by an artificial intelligence called Mother. Initially the world is a near Eden. War has been gone for millennia. [..]>Mother [..] is controlled by a Council of thirteen Key Holders who can change system directives and, if unanimous, change even her kernel-level programming. The council has split into two philosophical factions, and is in a battle for whose ideals will dominate the future of the human race. When one of the Council members dies without a clear successor to their Key, the faction split becomes numerically balanced. That faction split leads to war: something humans have not had for over a millennium.>In the struggle for power, Mother's protocols forces her to split the available power between the voting members of the Council Members. [..] The result: Humanity plunges immediately from utopia to the Dark Ages. This event is known as "The Fall." The series follows the resultant chaos and destruction that follows, and the war itself. The war ends up being fought on two planes; not just with advanced technology, but with swords, cavalry, and legions.
>>545260842They will come for you and meNot saying it wasn't the right thing to do, but if you think you've just "won" and it's the end of it, you're very very wrongIn their world of the future, people like you and me cannot exist. They will come for us. I will die standing, but still believing they'll just leave us alone is wishful thinking.And yeah faggots that took the vax and are now crying wah wah but it's so hard deserve all the shit they are going to get, fucking city cattle I hate them so much.
>>545260796>you can't get jobs when UBI existsYou're the low iq nigger
>>545258478All conservagolems need to be exterminated otherwise nothing will ever change. They are the most loyal jewish golems.
>>545261609Oh you think god mode Sam Altman will give you special consideration because you worked le sweat and brow. That's cute.
>>545261680maybe hes more intelligent than the machine where it comes to articulating the requirements for technical systems that do not exist yet based on customers wishes the machine cannot structure in adequate manner or talent for creating captivating original storylines that can be embedded in interactive media formats
>>545261757Very true. No battle is ever won. They are not even fought. The battlefield merely reveals to mankind his folly. Hope you survive anon
>>545260842>millions of jobless>starving>we'll give you food and money to go take +ApbxZpO's farm and kill his entire familyThey won't even ask why
>>545258478>what's your rightoid alternative then, mass starvation? Or the entire population have to work 8 hour bullshit jobs
>>545259952>make neo-feudalism workableyou know what's the difference between neo-feudalism and old-feudalism?In old feudalism, if the lord was retarded and got too uppity he'd end up quartered real soonIn new feudalism, if you're a rich kike born in the right place you can be as retarded and evil as you want, you're completely sheltered from the consequencesold feudalism wasn't actually all that bad. Small, mostly self-serving community, with clearly defined and enforced checks and balanced. We're living in horror world ruled by retarded child fucking kikes running full speed ahead towards AI fueled disaster
>>545261659It’s not end times tier prophecies Those are wisdom traditions from ancient civilizations which are reflected all over. Those old religious systems and those which still exist are like operating systems for a society over long periods. They don’t contain data which exists for no reason at all. There were stories of other times all or much of the known world had an alignment of desires for a reason. It’s happened before and can again. It’s happening in a modern form with the AI shit The world never ends in some catastrophic extreme shit really, but it, and human civilizations most certainly do experience ends.
>>545261827I think my odds of survival are much higher than yours because I didn't just jerk my cock to Somalis raping my sister in the street while this all unfolded, unlike (You).
>>545260766> but but santa said my dad was coming back next year
>>545261876You'd have to find the farm first. Half of you wouldn't even make it out this far, a quarter of you would be meals for my dogs, my sons would gun down a tenth of you, and I'd save the last stupid bastard for a nice taste of my 12-gauge.
>>545261929You're the same worthless meat sack as me.You're not exceptional or special, anyone could replace you.And in a while, a robot will.
>>545261984lmao
>>545258478We will just become life support for the AI masters. Pretty sure our population will be diminished as we compete for the limited high paying jobs supporting AI. I envision two economies where life goes on for the rest of us.
>>545261721Yes exactly. Similar things have happened before. Not necessarily in technology but in nature. It’s cycles of shit the same way there are cycles of civilizations. Humanity has just collectively forgotten the previous times it has happened for all intents and purposes. The memories of it are regarded as distant superstitious religious jokes.
>>545261860godspeed burger, take down as many as you can when they come
>>545262019Lmao I bet you're the same pathetic swedecuck that posts Anglo hate threads. Fat lot of good it's done you wasting all that time. I'll still be shitposting on 4chan long after you've become a meal for the crows.
>>545261929You sound like an incredible tranny
>>545261984>in my unhinged fantasies everything turns out the best for me just becauseOf course. Then the PMC company napalms your farm and everything else for 10 miles so they can expand the data center again
>>545262019> you are not smarter than ustake your janteloven and shove it up your ass
>>545262126>>545262167If you think you have better odds in the city, then lots of luck. I will bide my time on the farm until the big day. It's stupid to think you citybos wouldn't be long dead by the time they come for me. Those are just facts. Another fact: you've had 6 years warning to prepare for what's coming, and you squandered it. Ponder that while you're facing down a Chinese drone swarm.
>>545258478they will depopulate you way before they just give you everything for free retard. ubi will be given to niggercattle they keep in a 15 minute walkable niggercattle feedlot to use for science experiments and organ donors. moooo mooo mr dumb niggercattle
>>545262019>And in a while, a robot will.not with this current technology, the "image" is getting sharper but the human depth isn't there, its a good tool for an actual expert, don't get me wrong, but it can't replace the expertthe non field expert CEO will go before experts will
>>545262277Checked
>>545258478You voted Republican because you wanted cheaper eggsI voted Republican because I wanted to destroy this countryWe are not the same
>>545258591They actually believe they will have eternal.youth soon, with AI systems and automation running the factoriesSo.tje great die off of useless eaters is soonThey broke white unity by flooding the white nations with mudshits thus removing the only roadblock to their schemes
>>545262277>they'll kill you and then me but i'm better because i die 2 days laterlmao yeah you're the best and hiding from the problem while claiming to be superiour to everyone else until they come for you anyway is obviously the best course of action to take. You really won, champ. Everyone should do what you do.
>>545259988TrueGet rid of pensions, market speculation, asset holding and disability payments
>>545262521>when they come from youI thought you people were getting replaced by machines? If anyone "comes for me", they'll be powered by batteries and built from steel and silicon. In such a scenario, I will still outlast (You).I get it, you wasted the last 6 years and you're bitter at someone who didn't. But that's seriously not my problem. Good luck to ya!
Uh... Once we're all unemployed, who's gonna buy their shit?The economy will be 3 trillionaires handing a billion dollars back and forth
>>545262697They is the oligarchs, bud. Whether they send desperate people or machines is irrelevant.>no you see i really need to feel better than you even if it means grasping at straws like being killed by some oligarchs 12 hours later than youYeah, I noticed that. It's really sad and pathetic, but you're certainly not unique in being that way.You ran away and you desperately need to feel good about it. It's fine.
>>545262887They'll manufacture for themselves. Since an ai can provide their basic needs. (you) will be eliminated
>>545258478The elite actually prefer communism dummy.The state controls all and they control the state. The get state/military power and never worry about competition. Who said "competition is a sin"?They'll spade and neuter us like pets, and we live "Children of Men" movie out in our last days.
>>545263025Yeah, I'm cool with that. I don't like existing anyways.It's mostly commentary on how they'll be sitting on trillions and it won't matter, cause there will be no have-nots. It'll just be rich people passing the same money back and forth
>>545263062>The elite actually prefer communism dummy.Funny, cause it looks like they're terrified of it. There's like one billionaire pushing for socialism, and 50 billionaires screaming how it will destroy everything.>The state controls all and they control the state.You clearly haven't seen them buying off the politicians and the judges.>The get state/military power and never worry about competition.That's why it's probably already time to burn it down and start over
>>545260125we hand over civilization to the jews and die in a hole of course, what else could we do
>>545263025>Since an ai can provide their basic needs.it can't provide physical security against the security personnel killing the leadership
>>545261854>maybe hes more intelligent than the machine
they expect you to die fighting Israel's wars for them instead of everyone realizing Hitler was right and we must unite against the parasitism of the jew and their Masonic boylover cronies.
>>545263340> Iit can't provide physical security against the security personnel killing the leadershipIt absolutely can. They're 100% banking on that. Fully automated compounds guarded by AI bots shooting literally everyone that is not a chosenite down from 2 kms away, drone strikes and all. No need for dirty goyim to do the job. No need for chosenites to dirty their hands with it.They're betting everything on AI. They want to get rid of the now useless goyim.Do you really believe that AI popped into existence just like that sometime after covid? They've had this shit for decades. It plans their moves. It tells them what to do. They feed it data about absolutely everything, and it spits out a strategy that they follow step by step.Do you think the dysgenic retarded child fuckers that hold us all by the balls are coming up with strategies? Please. They have it in the bag already, they are just building up to the right happening, so they can get rid of all now useless goyim.
>>545263553>>545263634have you retards actually tried to make anything novel with these "superintelligent" systems? more out of already standardized stuff you move the retarded the computer becomes, you have to write the interfaces, data formats and relationships yourself from scratch for it to make any fucking sense
>>545263293Nigger, we already live under communismThe central bank decides who loses and who winsWanna call it capitalism cause otherwise it sounds bad? Please do, help yourself, I don't give a shit. It's still communism.Call me when incumbents are actually worried about the competition instead of just buying it out and shutting it down with fed provided money. "But it's private companies" yeah sure I can be a private company too, if the fed loans me infinite money for infinite fuckups. But it's not communism. Right.
>>545262091Swedecuck abandoned thread after this post. Lmao. What a bitter, stupid person
>>545263749Have you not seen how much better AI has gotten when it comes to those things in just the last few months? In a few years from now, it stands to reason there's nothing a human operator could do that AI can't do better.
>>545263805Well shit, if it's already communism, then I guess there's no reason not to transition to full blown socialism
>>545263926I have the 700 dollar yearly subscription to cursor and 100 dollar monthly subscription to codex and the computer is really good at migrating my fully documented custom app backend project to another language in 40 minutes but when I give it actual novel design goals it can't reach them because it cannot perceive the question like a human, you need someone to defined what you actually want and in complex systems it takes time
>UBIIf you accept that you are a gigantic retarded nigger that wants to be a slave
>>545264043For now
>>545263749I know what you're talking about. I really do. I see the same when I use AI myself.It has no mastery. No zen like quality. It's like it doesn't even see the problems with the code it produces, it just keeps spitting out piles of complex shit until it works.But nobody gives a shit about that. Management wants it to "work", AI can make it "work", for a fraction of a fraction of the cost. There's entire software houses that already today have gone completely "hands off", they're not writing any code, they're treating the code as if it were compiler output.Are they right? Probably not, who knows. Thing is, no matter what happens next, white collar jobs are fucking dead. No economic reason to have people doing that anymore, even at this slop level. It's slop, it sucks, but it works and it's cheap. Nobody cares about quality, CEOs most definitely don't care about quality. They just want a way to fire as many people as possible and pocket the difference, and they will just do that now that's possible. Company goes on fire in 6 months time? Don't care, got my bonus.Even if this backfires, and it probably will to some extent, the idea of having people writing code "manually" will be laughable in 5-10 years time. It will be relegated to hobby territory, or some kind of "hand crafted" specialist stuff, like people making knives by hand today.In any case, automation of targeting systems is already possible today. What's missing is everything else that is necessary to run the cyberkibbutz. They think they will have it soon. They're already building it out, today. Argentina, Southern italy, Albania, lots of places.
>>545264095its entirely out of reach for this type of technology, its a full orders of magnitude leap in difficulty
>>545263997Socialism is a stepping stone towards communism. In theory at least. In practice, it's just a way to pacify a population. Now pacification is no longer needed, so full blown communism aka technotyranny it is. They'll gradually reduce population by either actively killing off useless goyim or just letting them starve while they watch from their fully automated compounds.This is how humanity dies by the way. Jews are the great filter. A parasite that finally manages to kill off all the host specimens, and then dies itself as a consequence.
>>545264217Damn. I guess we should just kill ourselves : (
>>545264095>For nowAGI in two weeks?
>>545258478UBI won't work, but not because it's socialism. It won't work because it's still based on the dollar, which would completely collapse under any situation that would call for UBI in the first place.
>>545260842>I have land and a farm so I'm set.When shit hits the fan all of that will be razed to the ground.
>>545264102>But nobody gives a shit about that. >white collar jobs are fucking dead.as long as there are any people with money there will be some kind of market for high quality hand crafted goods, digital media has the advantage of unlimited distributability, you make it once you can sell it as many times as you have customersif you have actual artistic or autistic talent now is better time than ever to produce more detailed works of passions than ever before, slop is cheap but modern companies with their incompetent leadership will be unable to compete with your quality and willingness to write in "forbidden opinions" that resonate with the clientele the big companies and their automated machine slop production can't
>>545264376I'm just planning to make it as hard as possible for them, but yeah that's how we're gonna end anyway
>>545264577> as long as there are any people with money there will be some kind of market for high quality hand crafted goodsThis is not what a "job" is though. Maybe some jobs, maybe a very limited amount of the total. Humans are effectively antieconomic entities production wise, already today. You don't need 8 billion goyim for your finely crafted japanese knife.> slop is cheap but modern companies with their incompetent leadership will be unable to compete with your quality and willingness to write in "forbidden opinions" that resonate with the clientele the big companies and their automated machine slop production can'tyou will be fenced off the market, and million pajeets will point to your piece of art and copy it using AI the second you put it out anyway
>>545262894>I didn’t do anything in life and when someone points it out I have to try and tear them down to my level instead of taking the criticism on the chin and doing betterWhat causes this absolute FAGGOT mindset in so many people today? I’m gen Z and my dad took his leather belt and beat that absolute FAGGOTRY out of me, so it’s not a generational thing.
>>545258691because theres more to life than jews
>>545264846>i made up a bunch of shit about you and got mad about itObviously your dad didn't beat you enough.
>>545264790>and million pajeets will point to your piece of art and copy it using AI the second you put it out anywaywhile the copyrightability of machine generated text is in question the hand crafted original story contained in your interactive is fully protected, it cannot be distributed by others for financial gain >you will be fenced off the marketmaybe in places like russia and china, sure>This is not what a "job" is though.researchers, writers, database and software designers are real jobs I would be hiring for if I was to start a new kind of a game company right now
>>545260092Yeah, but at least during those times you had intact homogeneous communities , basics (like food and housing) were not treated as speculative investments, and the oligarchs were part of their society instead of the globalists they are today.
Without buyers of stuff, economy disappears. Ai is a scam, I was there for the .com crash and I am here for the ai.slop crash.
>>545265024You're naive and autistic.
>>545259035Why in the world would ubi avoid a dystopia? It's far likelier to be a cause.
>>545265095The whole point of the thread is that buyers and producers are no longer required, and therefore there is no reason for the vast majority of them to be kept alive.Why can't you understand that we are now not in the same paradigm as before?
>>545265214Cause hundreds of millions of us will be out of the job when AI finally comes into its own
>>545265183I am a senior developer responsible for both design and implementation of systems, I wish I could go into details but at this point the details are secret
>>545258478The moral right wing solution is ban AI or force AI companies to pay out nickel royalties to ever data point their my model is run on each time it's run
>>545258478It’s simple tho AI isn’t taking anyone’s job or increasing productivity outside of niche cases, so no need for UBI
>>545263293>looks like they're terrified of itIs that why they push it constantly through every single propaganda organ?
>>545265595Like 100,000 coders got laid off 3 days ago. This IS happening.
>>545259790Leftists wouldn't ask you to share the secret of how you could build your own fishing net, they would just demand you share the fish you caught with your net because it's "unfair" that you figured out how to invent it and they didn't because they were too stupid.
>>545265722>Like 100,000 coders got laid off 3 days ago.by companies who can't find their ass with both hands, good fucking riddance, actual dead weight
>>545265359That doesn't address the question.
>>545265710 It's the poor people pushing for socialism. The rich people are screeching bloody murder about how all of society will collapse if they have to pay more.
>>545265836>the poor people control the news, the universities, the government and the intelligentsiaYou're retarded. Communism is and has always been a project of the elite.
>>545265835Ubi might cause collapse eventually. 100 million unemployed people will cause a revolution by the end of the month. No one's going to willingly starve to death, they will begin pillaging in about two weeks.
>>545265875Yes, the billionaires are begging to subsidize everyone. Completely believable.These people's main hobby is hoarding wealth. They don't want to give that up.
>>545265929They'd simply kill us before paying us to exist. The small amount that would survive would be pacified by ubi. Ubi is dystopia, it does not avoid dystopia.
>>545265424You're naive, autistic and clueless.
>>545266002>communism reduces the wealth of the oligarchs.That is a very strange belief to hold after the previous century had multiple communist revolutions that resulted in the oligarchs stealing from the common man and becoming wealthier and more powerful.The seizing the property of the poor and giving it to the oligarchs is the purpose of communism. Anything to the contrary is advertising. It's not particularly convincing either.
>>545266020>They'd simply kill us before paying us to existWelp. If they're gonna make it us or them, the choice is clear.
>>545266104I have no property, they can seize deez nuts. An estimated 180 million of us will never own a home. We own a TV, and some shirts.
>>545264911it’s more accurate to say that the relationship between jews and life are inverse. the less jews, the more life.that was hitler’s moral failing: he had the opportunity to removes jews from europe but he instead decided to move them to plaestine.
>>545266184You do have means of production, and the wealthy will seize them from you should communism be attempted, just like they did every single time before. After the seizing, they will enslave you, just like they did every single time before.
>>545258478BI, sure, for qualified educated people. Your fucking retarded "luxury communism" stupid low IQ subhuman kike bullshit? Fuck no! Fuck you!
>>545266031says the unemployed man on the internet to the person hired for their AI knowledge
>>545266238we already had a civil war against the communists here, they lost
>>545266238>You do have means of productionWhat is it? Cause all I own a lawn chair and an N64 over here.>After the seizing, they will enslave youThey already do thatBut if you're right, I just need to keep running elites through the guillotine till I get them all.
>>545265214>Scenario 1: You have capital to puschase food>Scenario 2: You don't have capital to purchase food>>545265447Rightoids are pro-AI. But only if it's used to push people out of work with no recourse.If you utilize AI to make free goods and products for people, right wingers would hate it.Because the right wing worldview revolves around being better and more deserving than everyone else.People getting by without having to suffer is a rightoid nightmare.This is the reason why we are facing dystopia rather than utopia, as we're on the brink of unlocking untold abundance.Because the rightoid is a crab at heart.>>545265729Food is shared in tribal communities, because they're invested in each other's survival.The ego tripping to the point of ruin, as seen in rightoids, does not exist.
>>545258478Let's be honest: we are never going to receive UBI because <insert current reason here>, just like we never received it all the previous times because of <insert reason here>.It's just a lie to get the plebs to not resist the overthrow of the current government for a worse one; in the end, useful idiots still end up as fertilizer just the same.
>>545266536>I don't have a means of productionYou have a phone or computer. You likely have a hammer, saw, or screwdriver. Yes, tools are means of production. Yes, tools have been seized in communist countries.You really need to do the reading on the ideology you follow.
>>545266542>as we're on the brink of unlocking untold abundance.we don't have machines capable of making copies of themselves outside of organic beings and digital files yet, first step to actual resource abundance is being able to make factories that make factories
>>545266542>scenario 1You are enslaved by the state>scenario 2You are not enslaved by the state. All government gibs come with shackles. The government cannot do anything else.
>>545258478If you are a woman you can just be in a tech's billionaire harem i guess.If you are a man idk. Just starve i guess.
>>545266661Word of the day is yet.Perhaps developments these last few years have passed you by.
>>545266657They're going to risk their lives for a phone and a hammer? Seems like a silly way to get your minions killed but ok. It's going to cost more than it's worth.Do you hear yourself?>ELON MUSK WILL FUCKING KILL YOU FOR YOUR PHONE AND HAMMER
>>545266717If you wanna die just kill yourself. Myself I'm not quite there yet.
>>545266826It has happened before. Multiple times. Sam altman is out there railing against personal computing. You are comically ignorant.
>>545266718>If you are a man idk. Just starve i guess.you get the behavioral adjustment chip that makes you into willing expendable cannon fodder>>545266783I am starting to think you have no clue what you're looking at the feats of the latest models, its not that impressive when you solve something according to well codified rules
>>545266840Advocating for ubi is advocating for civilizational suicide.
>>545266874Alright. So we start with sam altman. Who else you got?
>>545266718>If you are a woman you can just be in a tech's billionaire haremHonestly, I think this is a big reason why they're trying to import Islam into the West: what they had to do behind closed doors in places like Jeffrey's Party Island is completely legal under sharia.Plus, they get to have slaves.If you're rich, you're set; if you're poor, you can get fucked.Simple as.UBI is just the carrot to lead the masses into the slaughterhouse.
>>545266717When some corporation controls everything it is just the government being called something else. It doesn't matter from your perspective.
>>545258478>So what's your rightoid alternative then?bootlicking, obiously
>>545266919He's on your team bro. He advocates the same things you do.
>>545266901>I am starting to think you have no clue what you're looking at the feats of the latest models, its not that impressive when you solve something according to well codified rulesYou're in cope mode.>>545266902>Source: My ass
>>545266902So, what is your solution besides UBI? Hundreds of millions of people will be unemployed in the coming decades. Any useful insight on how we stop society from collapsing?
>>545266977like I said, I actually work as a software developer, I know precisely where the limits of these systems go in different kinds of problems, you have no clue what you're talking aboutyou're working as backwards up a tree while I am laying down actual design blueprints for actual systems
>>545266977>I am unable to extraploate from current and past behaviorWe noticed, swede.>>545267004>what's your solutionNot enslaving people.
>>545267047>I actually work as a software developerExplains why you'd be coping.
>>545266971I'm not advocating for shit. I merely see what's coming. And I'm aware that by the time it DOES happen, it will be too late to fix what's coming and the angry mob will naturally form. Personally, I'm just gonna blow my head off and let the rest of you deal with the hell world. You can fight the billionaires for basic resources, I'm not gonna. I took my stand back when society was in tact.
>>545267106oh you're an actual subhuman cretin who literally can't even readif you read what I write you can see I am starting projectsI see opportunities in this technology, not threat
>>545259569From what i've been looking at, some of them definely believe they're the Chosen ones and believe in a benevolent AI powered dictatorship. Definitely not Sam Altman though, guy wants to assrape the world.
>>545267065Well that's what not to do. Any hints on what TO do?
>>545258478My issue is more>ai replacing everyone>SO LETS BRING IN MORE JEETS AND MEXICANSUBI is like an issue a hundred years away m8, focus on the now and stop shitposting.
>>545267065>Here take this free money>*SHOOTS SELF*
>>545258478Kill all leftist sandnigger lovers
I don't think people understand what it means for AI to reach a certain level. If AI can automate energy production and robotics progress far enough that they can produce the necessary replacement parts there is no way the government isn't going to grab every AI company on the planet. Progress is going to be made by AI, productio will be AI, energy production will be AI.
>>545267264You should take your own advice
>>545267189You are amazingly short sighted.
>>545258478no only a few people at the top are allowed to profit massively off ai :)
>>545267065I'm asking because society is going to tear itself apart extremely rapidly when this shit comes to pass. We have less than a million homeless people right now, but this number is going to begin multiplying very fast from here on out.
>>545258478AI= Actually IndianUBI = universal basic IndianOnly Luddites will die in starvation.
>>545267211Not enslaving people is doing something>>545267264>swede continues to not be able to extrapolate.You wouldn't happen to be one of those "new swedish"?
Genetics are a liquid that takes the shape of its container. The squirrels on an island adapt to life on that island, and become a different type of squirrel. But what happens if you remove the container? What happens to the liquid? It splashes into a mess, amorphous nothingness. Degeneracy. We human beings are defined by our limitations. If you remove the limitations, the human being is undone. If you want to maintain the existence of humans, you cannot remove the existence of work or scarcity. If they must be imposed artificially, then let it be so.
>>545267309you cannot even begin to take the discussion to that direction when you cannot even convince people you understand what you're looking at retarded kike
>>545267407Extrapolate what? Your retardation?>We now face a choice - UBI, or destitution and death>uh bluh bluh UBI bad>so death?>NUUUUUH UBI BAD *drools in lap*
>>545267407Ok. I told you what was coming. Hopefully the angry mob listens to your sage advice while they're pillaging the place for food.
>>545267665Sand nigger lover is seething
>>545267711No u!!!!
>>545267407>>545267711retard
>>545268164Canacup do that:Jerry:Blaine:Charisma
>>545267411disagree, the limitations are what create poison, venom and degeneracy of the world
>>545267989Got im
>>545258478I think what we really need is the destruction of the Amalek spirit and UBI can help facilitate that although I have only seen it be successful as a small stipend $1-$3K a year in Alaska and don't know what the effects of a larger amount designed for a meager living as proposed by Andrew Yang would be but I think the small amount that's proven to be beneficial for society is almost a no-brainer
>>545258478>yes AI will replace most jobs in the endThat world isn't coming. It's just a narrative to fuel the speculative bubble.
>>545258478The ownership class will live a comfy life in utopia.The working class will compete with each other over a rapidly decreasing number of shitty jobs that still employ humans.There's never going to be UBI. If you are too retarded to invest in AI, then we will let you starve to death. Good riddance to the useless eaters.
>>545258478self sustained communes free of kike faggotry with actual jobs and actual value
>>545268464>>545268539>>545268556CopeCopeCope
>>545259053You will get sick and die from a genetically engineered bioweapon before you realize the battle has already started.
>>545258478UBI is merely a stopgap measure that doesn't fix the underlying issue that the proles have nothing to offer the state. Thus, eventually you'll get a generation of politicians who will erode UBI
>>545258478UBI was never the plan. You are being depopulated.
>>545260842Did you take the vax?
>>545268651If it's anything like the last bioweapon they injected us with, we'll be fine.
>>545259368>Universal SNAPBased. The dream of the '90s is alive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6DO_7px1Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYIaWeVL1JM
>>545268836>>545268836Sure, until a few years later when everyone who had the nothingburger coof suddenly develops turboAIDS and cancer in every organ.
>>545268963Yeah man, just 5 more years
>>545258478I'm not afraid of any outcome. Either I'll live or I'll kill (and probably die). It's in everyone's interest that I'm fed and sheltered. Adopt the same mindset and you'll never worry again.
>>545267379Such a non-argument from that nigger. If the authors were bourgeoisie but againt their own kind and empathetic towards the underclass, then I doubly believe them.
>>545269434It's called bourgeoise Elite OverProduction.
most people will die. that's how ai will kill us. it doesn't have control over weapons.
>>545269817A bioweapon a minority will be innoculated against, most probably. Sucks but picrel.
>>545260842you will be raided by gruntled on meth ex soldiers criminals and shot multiple times while you emote irl.
>>545262277>I will bide my time on the farm until the big day. It's stupid to think you citybos wouldn't be long dead by the time they come for me.I'll just get like 10 of my cousins together to raid your farm
>>545258478Are you quoting someone or are you just having an e-argument with yourself?
>>545258478>But don't worry! It'll create a bunch of new jobs! We're all gonna be AI engineers guys!I actually know a retard IRL who thinks this
>>545258478Theres a very simple solution here but I cant describe it beyond going like "REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED all the data centers REDACTED REDACTED server farms REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED 2026 + 1984 = 1789"
>>545272353You make the error of assuming there is a "we". Most people are atheists now. They believe in themselves only. The only way to get them to do anything is giving them a carrot or a stick. The financial conspiracy (Jews) have all the carrots and their golems have all the sticks. That's the flaw in your thinking. There's like one of you and one of me and then an ocean of NPCs. You can't win a vote. You can't fight through them. Nobody cares if they die. The real people you want to be challenging actually benefit massively when you attack them, too. Honestly all you can do is keep to yourself and see if these satanic geniuses are capable of running the world. I'm pretty sure they are not so thinking fast while all around you is starvation, disease and war and a little luck, is the only hope you have in the future. I expect nothing will happen obviously while everything goes to hell unobviously. The NPCs shall not be informed. Think of everyone like moss...nobody asked them to grow they are just growing everywhere. Eventually whatever is feeding the moss will cease and nobody who could feed the moss at that point wants moss so the inevitable conclusion would be....well who knows. It's all such a big mystery.
>>545258905You are right that they want depopulation. You are completely retarded that you think they'll do it by force. People are already not having kids. Try killing them off and they fight back and it gets messy. Meanwhile, just keep doing what you're doing now with antinatalist propaganda and distractions and depopulation will happen naturally over the course of 2-3 generations; just look at South Korea. You need to remember these people are playing a game on a centuries timescale. A one hundred year peaceful depopulation is not a problem.
>>545258478Yeah I've been trying to figure this out as well. What's the process? Everyone has to be broke and homeless and sign up for welfare and social housing? Let's set up an automation/immigration transition plan already. People at the bottom should be able to benefit from all this.
>>545258478rightoids routinely dream about genociding one population or another or their own countrymen if they disagree with them, why do you even ask
>>545258905I've seen zero evidence of a depopulation agenda. More schizo babble on the subject won't make it true.
>>545272612Thats a solid write up.Im just waiting for the pope to go full urban the second and declare crusade against the thinking machines/antichrist or whatever.Oh also id generally recommended reading early 1900s german chemistry books n stuffReally anything about nitric acid chemistry Good luck bros & frensDo what you have to to protect your families And Death to israel obviously
>>545258478Dorkservatives won't have many good answers to this.>>545258905Justification for the 2nd Amendment.
>>545258478UBI doesn't work. Dumb tankies think people will become artists and poets cause "they have their needs covered!!11" while the reality is that people who only have money for food and shelter become criminals cause they still want those Jordans.40% of my country is on UBI and they're all savages living in ghettos and slums and every single fucking time someone is murdered or someplace is robbed is one of them. Every time, without failure.
