This man was ON VIDEO RECORDING HIMSELF COMMITTING HIS CRIME And he was COMPLETELY ACQUITTED BY A JURY of breaking into a factory farm to rescue two sick piglets despite overwhelming evidence that he did it. They literally filmed themselves committing their “crimes” and confessed but were still acquitted. Before he went to trial his own attorney begged him to take a plea deal and plead guilty to reduce the amount of jail time he’d get when he was found guilty at trial but he went to trial instead and was found not guilty and got no jail time or punishment.This https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7q87fAYbZk 4 minutes and 30 seconds in you can see live footage from courtroom of the not guilty verdict being read.The animal rescue took place in March 2017 at Smithfield Foods' Circle Four Farms in Beaver County, Utah, and the trial was held in neighboring Washington County, Utah in October 2022.Beaver County is extremely rural, heavily agricultural, and politically conservative. In political elections, both Beaver County and Washington County voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump (winning roughly 80% and 70% of the vote, respectively).Pregnant pigs were locked inside 2 by 7 foot metal gestation and farrowing crates, spaces so narrow the animals could not turn around. Many sows suffered from open pressure sores, were covered in feces, or bit cage bars until their mouths bled from distress. In one instance, a sow's nipples were so torn that her starving piglets were drinking her blood instead of milk.Investigators documented piglets experiencing seizures, dying of starvation, being crushed under their mothers, or falling through metal floor grates and getting trapped beneath. The two piglets rescued by Hsiung (later named Lily and Lizzie) were severely malnourished, infected, and near death.
https://animalequality.org/news/2022/10/28/animal-activists-found-not-guilty-in-smithfield-rescue/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/08/science/animals-rights-piglets-smithfield.htmlThe Smithfield Foods Farm TrialFollowing the release of the footage from the Smithfield farm, the FBI identified Hsiung and Picklesimer and began a multi-state chase. Agents raided animal sanctuaries in Utah and Colorado. At one sanctuary, a government veterinarian sliced off a part of a pig’s ear to test the DNA to try and identify her as a Smithfield pig
BAN INFANT CIRCUMCISION AND HEN DEBEAKING
>>545331136The rule of law isn't always the rule of the people. Fuck that farm. Nothing will come of this.
>>545331136I'm one of the few white men in existence that has never eaten meat in my life. I still don't think animals have souls.
>>545331205>2022Cool story but why post it now?
>>545331349the debeaking isn't painful if done correctly, and it prevents them from pecking each other bloody trying to figure out who's the alpha in a constantly rotating population.
>>545331434Because stuff like this will happen again. Right now dozens of people are charged with burglary and stuff for rescuing beagles from a medical research torture lab and may go to trial as judge recently found probable cause
>>545331136Doing God’s work anon bless your soul.It’s inhuman and further, not Earthling behavior to treat other lifeforms with such cruelty and callous indifference to their suffering.Demons that worship at the altar of Mammon and Satan. Get those faggots off my planet!
>>545331487there’s lots of studies showing it probably is painful the debeaking is so they don’t peck each other to death when they are kept in horrible conditions which make them more violent
Hidden cameras were installed in a kosher slaughterhouse in the UK. No stunning used, NSFW https://rumble.com/v798evg-secret-kosher-slaughterhouse-exposed-in-england-sickening-investigation.htmlThe fact the Jew mocked the cow by mimicing its screams….SFW version of kosher slaughterhouse including confronting owner https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvgz2My0fJsIf stunning is used at all even after the throat is cut incorrectly it cant be sold as kosher
>>545331432Here's food.Is it attained using inhumane practices?Yeah, it all is, everywhere.Where do I get humane meat?You wait for a wild animal to die of natural causes and fight off the scavengers, grab yourself a haunch before the maggots hatch.What do I eat if I want to avoid inhumane practices?Vegetables.No thanks.
>>545331136It's just like voting, just emotionally.
>>545331487>if done correctlyAnon... Look at the picture again and ask yourself if the employees are likely to do it correctly.
>>545331136I like humanity bit more now
Wayne Hsiung on right (Chinese / Taiwanese American citizen)Paul Picklesimer in middle
>>545331602"Henpecking" happens no matter what. It's in their chicken DNA. When there's a ton of them in a confined space, yes, it gets worse, but it always happens. Even in a home coop, a new hen will upset the order and there will be a period of hen pecking to establish the "pecking order."
>>545331730>>545331487
>>545331681>i wish i didn't have to participate in a culture of death....but oh gosh its just soooooo yummy :(
>>545331730That seems like an employee problem, then. People bitching about the bosses not demanding humane practices with every single hen, every single time, means they're not telling people who have no empathy for the animals, or are outright sadists who receive sexual pleasure from causing the pain. This seems like a people issue, and you can get as specific as punishing specific people, should punishment ever culminate. It won't. They're chickens.
>>545331849>>545331849Definitely not done correctly.
>>545331136GOOD.
>>545331681>Where do I get humane meat?inside a shell of a being that is not and never was conscious which contains lots of B12, animal protein, animal fat, EPA, DHA, etc . They can be farmed
>>545331938the employees are illegal immigrants and ex convicts
>>545331849:( poor birbs
>>545331858Not just yummy; meat is the most nutritious and balanced food a human can eat because something else already did the service of condensing all that protein and nutrition into their own flesh.
>>545331136No one gives a shit kid. Boo hoo nigga some chicks died for food. If you really cared about animals, you would kill yourself as everything you use and even eat including veggies nigga, are made possible by animals being killed.
>>545332042It taste like cum and and has consistency of snot immediately activating the gag reflex.
>>545332042Who says they're not conscious? Who says oysters don't feel pain?
>>545331806For thousands of years people did not debeak hens it was invented in the 40s.
>>545331418They share one, perhaps by species/common ancestry.
>>545332244make a pill capsule out of plants and put the little pieces of oysters inside the pill capsule and swallow the pills
>>545332098Yeah, you're not raising or lowering my respect for them with that; they're already chicken sadists. It's like "That guy rapes babies, but he also donates half of every paycheck to handicapped people."
>>545332244>knows what cum tastes likeStraightest Croatian.
>>545332244>It taste like cum and and has consistency of snotI'll take 10 gallons on a pallet
>>545332250Pain nerves are distinct structurally and biochemically. Bivalves only need the older cannabinoid nerve system from the time when life erupted around sea floor vents. Your endocannabinoid system is how your stomach talks to your brain.
>>545332204Something tells me nutritional deficiencies aren't something you have to worry about, fatty.
>>545331487Hunter and Jones 1990 Behavioural evidence for persistent pain following partial beak amputation in the chickenThe researchers tested hens with drinking water at temperatures from 20 to 45 degrees celcus before and after partial beak amputation. Afterward the hens pecked less at their environment and wiped their beaks and shook their heads less and they pecked less at 45 degrees celcus water and drank less at every temperature. These changes are guarding behaviour and hyperalgesia that lasted 6 weeks at least 3 weeks after the beak had healed. That persistence is what makes it good evidence for chronic pain rather than just acute wound pain>Partial beak amputation resulted in hyperalgesia which persisted for 6 weeks
>>545332260Yep. Because in a constantly-rotating and crowded environment, hen pecking never stops happening, and they peck each other bloody, or dead. All hens hen-peck to establish heirarchy. Home farmers don't have a constantly-rotating and large population that is never able to establish a peckng order.The idea of zero factory farming is romatic and shit, but it won't disappear entirely, and in the end, we're eating them before they're two years old, so.... we shouldn't be cruel, but there are limits to empathy. I'd say that if I was a factory farmer, I'd probably have to develop a thick skin in that regard, and they all probably have.
Meat Kills was a good movie
>>545332520Eating meat doesn't make you fat. Eating carbs makes you fat. Not moving makes you fat.
>>545331487You are a cunt fuck you fagget
>>545332204By this logic you should be even more pro supplements and pills than you are meat
>>545332504Well, I still like to think that every bivalve is only a mouth away from quoting poetry, and on that basis, eating them alive is cruelty to animals. For that matter, I'll bet celery has some interesting thoughts. Eat air.
>>545332640eating a caloric surplus makes you fat
>>545332552Well, I guess we'd better ban all chicken circumcision too, then. I'd have to say that if they did it right, all they'd be removing is the hard, sharp keratin bit at the very tip to stop it from doing damage to other chickens. I wonder if the study looked at the varying methods and degrees of this. Doing it humanely would likely require intelligent people who cared doing the debeaking. They aren't that.
>>545332640Eating generally makes you fat, and meat is dense in calories. You really shouldn't be eating more than 1200 calories a day unless you're an athlete or a manual labourer.
>>545331681No need for all that. Just let it live in a fucking field, and when it comes time to kill it, take it away from the others and one-shot it in the head via any number of methods. The same way we did for thousands of years. >>545332042They can also be smokedWhile I wouldn't want to live off them I most definitely could
>>545332663Chicken poster?
>>545332735Very funny, I always use cute exaggerations when im not sure of my position too. Don't have to eat air or stop meat, but you should be able to say factory farming mammals is a little too fucked up
>>545332296that seems to be what part of cultists want to achieve. to undo the fall from Eden, we can return to Eden by undoing our consciousness by achieving what animals have by creating a prototype human >this is Steve. there are many like him but this one is one.if youve noticed that some people look very similar to other people, I think it's part of this project. they want like 300 humans. and will then maintain "reincarnation"because each one will act like their predecessors.and then humans will become like crocodiles. or any animal I guess, crocs are just very ancient and robotic.anyone else notice this?
>>545332725Pills and supplements are condensed clumsily, often into formats unavailable to our bodies. We could swallow pounds of them and piss them out unchanged. Meat is always bioavailable.
>>545332735>Well, I still like to think that every bivalve is only a mouth away from quoting poetryWeen has entered the chat
>>545333013No I do not think the elites are making 300 crocodile men If anything they are growing organs and spare bodies for their own use, for example if they need a transplant
>>545332809We weren't talking about eating a caloric surplus, and no, you're incorrect. Your body stores fat by a mechanism that's way more complex than "eat lots, get fat, eat little, stay thin." It matters what you eat, and also when you eat, and what you do surrounding eating. And more.Simplifying things to the simplest equation isn't the same thing as being smart.
>>545332973Thanks for the dietary advice, kiddo. I'll keep that in mind.
>think its a thread about jury nullification>oh cool this isn't talked about enough>oops its actually a thread by retarded vegan animal right activist faggots
>>545332979I like to tape dynamite to one and let it run and run until the fuse goes out. No pain.
>>545333215Im pretty sure its calories in calories out, if you burn more than you intake its physically impossible for there to be an increase in mass
>>545333215actually, just eating a caloric surplus makes you fat and then if you stop eating entirely, your body consumes that fatthat's how we and most mammals evolved, and yes it really is that simple (and you are a stupid faggot for implying otherwise)
>>545332966Even infrared just the tip cutting is shown to cause short term pain
>>545333004And you should realize that not everyone is arguing with you or taking polar opposite stances or is failing to admit something that you believe in, because that's what you come here for. I'd raise my own chickens if some asshole politician didn't say I couldn't. Then I'd probably keep them as pets long after they stop laying, just because I don't want to kill them. I'd still buy fucking chicken at the store.
>>545333073there’s plenty of supplements that have been studied to death like D3 that are shown to increase blood levels and make people feel better and iodized salt cures the big thyroid disease and there’s so many other examples of supplements working the evidence is overwhelming you’d be better off arguing the earth is flat
>>545333097Does Ween have a poetic bivalve song?
>>545331849>rooster actually enjoys it/doubt
>People would rather rescue chickens and pigs than fight for the millions children murdered every year via abortion.
>>545333215you’re just coping. next you will argue if you eat a caloric deficit that your body will cannibalize your organs and muscles and barely eat it’s own bodyfat
>>545332260were they ever put in a warehouse with a thousand others?you'd need to "decimate" the human population 8 times to go back
>>545333258it literally is about jury nullification. he broke the law and had the full force of the law brought down upon him
>>545332042they're farmed next to sewage outlets for some reason. and then mishandled by morons. they'll transport them in their trunk and then reuse the shells and it's a very disgusting (and deadly) affair
>>545333173all famous people are
>>545333173.. cousins
>>545333332Eat your caloric fill in fat and protein for six months, then do it with only grains. No other changes, same caloric intake, six months each. The differences will be astounding. There's WAY more to it than calories in, calories out. Most whole foods have calories you don't access. Processed foods are instant absorption, or increased. Sugars and all carbohydrates under the most complex turn on the insulin response. Fat does not, and protein does it in a differnet manner at a reduced rate. If you have insulin iun your blood, you're making fat, even if you're fit, and it's only a little bit. No insulin, no fat is being made. Weight gain is a biochemical and biological process employing various hormones and dozens of other factors. You can sit on the couch and lose weight just modifying what types of food you eat, not in what quantity.
>>545331681There is a huge amount of area for reasonable solutions between your retarded straw man and the torture practices in that image you disingenuous faggot.
>>545333173they don't want to be conscious. they want to be on autopilot for some reason. they find consciousness to be suffering.they being a very selective and secret sect that hasn't written out their theories afaik but surmised them
>>545333360>actuallyACKTUALLY....You're a fourteen year-old Fillipino without no knowledge on the subject that you didn't overhear from someone more ignorant than you are. Learn some physiology.
>>545333382you'd prefer they not ever be born?
>>545333382Well, you haven't lived if you haven't felt pain, and I'm hungry.
>>545333579cherry-picking the success stories doesn't cover for the profiteering unregluated vitamin industry making 90,000 other bottles of horseshit that you can't absorb for $30 a bottle.
>>545333558Mao was a retard that did everything backwards on purpose, like when he mandated everyone try to make pig iron in their backyard.but it'd have been cool if we did that for the suburbs. each culdesac had a chicken coop and every third had a dairy cow. the world really has gotten quite absurd
>>545333667You have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing I say will sink in, because you weren't told the truth all your life. Everything you know is a simplified lie. I won't change that no matter what I tell you, so you believe what you want. We're all gonna die, anyway. You go ahead thinking 1200 calories of pizza is exactly the same as 1200 calories of fatty beef.
>>545333887>disingenuous faggotYou animal lover faggots get way too emotional over this shit. I'm gonna start raising chickens and road haul them until they're dead before eating them, just to make sure they experience as much pain as possible. Maybe I'll lop off a leg and make him watch me grill it. The elites slaughter US daily, and you're worried about some anon's opinion online? What a little crying girl you are.
>>545333558Grocery store fruit also sucks ass. I want a fruit tree>>545333333
>>545333558 . you'd almost certainly be buying chicks from a breeder who culls the males or from someone who bought from them and stores that sell chicks have them mailed to them ALIVE leading to many chicks dying in transit
>>545334195The cow part would be a little harder than that, as each cow needs like two or four acres or something, but I want EVERYONE to have chickens. The protein problem would end. We could all process all of our table scraps with black soldier flies, or feeding some of them to the chickens directly, and we'd have well-fed nutritious chickens and eggs. For the folks who won't want to slaughter their own, they could pay the local chicken executioner $10 each to do it for them.
>>545334006for egg laying battery cage hens? absolutely . I would say the same thing about meat chickens bred to grow extremely extremely big extremely quickly
>>545334536I planted an apple tree last year. I set footings for a tree espalier trellis in my side yard. I have room for 5 fruit trees. I need four more. The plum tree died right away. The apple has been in a living statis all summer. I'll get there, and I agree.
>>545334099that doesn’t mean you can’t absorb every single essential micronutrient in a supplement form. Name one essential vitamin or mineral that you can’t absorb from a pill.
>>545331136If you beat jeets to death in California, I will be the holdout that saves you, promise.
>>545333919Wtf they are based? I love the elites now
>>545334771hmm.it's be cool to see a mockup. ideal land use but not from a commie. like that project Aarvoll is doing in Arkansas. or the Amish or something. how to set up a new development for real humans.First - drill for geothermal. obviously. that no one does this is more proof "climate change" is fake
>>545334421>The elites slaughter US dailyIt’s hypocritical to say pic related is immoral while buying factory farmed meat
>>545334722I could just hire a stud rooster to fertilize some of my hen's eggs. Just like American slavery, I'd be self-sufficient in no time. The neighborhood cock could be hired out to fertilize all the neighborhood hens.
>>545334722Oh, then at a four months old, I think, you cull the males and fry them up.
>>545334771>$10 eachisn't that the cost of an entire chicken? now we're back to practicality of the grocery. how do you process it and pluck feathers and all that?
>>545331136The people themselves are now evil and incompetent. Remember this the next time they whine about no "free" health care or "a living wage".
>>54533507950% of the egg laying hen’s kids are male and cant lay eggs and are the wrong breed for meat
>>545331418Kek! post your legs I could use a good laugh
>>545335111thats immoral
>>545335352gay
>>545334936It's not the "pill" format, but the molecule. Some formulations don't absorb as well, or at all, so certain types of B vitamins will go right through you, while other formulas are better absorbed. Magnesium and calcium and almost every other vitamin has a variation that doesn't absorb. If you keep moving the goal posts, you can just demand that you always only meant that. Also, how many protein pills are you going to take? You need protein. It's dense and heavy, too. 50 protein capsules a day ought to be fun to take every day. Fat pills would be fun, too. Fat is better for you than all of them. Vitamins and pills most easily replace vegetables.
>>545335027The biggest problem is that if we all become involved in the procurement of our own food supplies, we may find ourselves becoming more and more independent. The elites can't have that.Yeah, climate change is happening at the rate it always does. The planet has been WAY hotter in the past. It'll get there on its own again.
>>545335073It's retarded to draw such a moronic line in the sand, but if you think buying it because it's all that's available equates approval, I'd be willing to bet you're fucking insufferable to be around in person. The world will not conform to your extreme perspectives because you feel strongly about it. Stating it more strongly won't help. Making absurd comparisons won't convince other people to feel as strongly as you do about anything on that basis alone.
>>545335435Those are macro nutrients so obviously they would come in the forms of things like powders to be mixed with water and drank. Or gotten from food.They all have a variation that does absorb that can be purchased on Amazon.Unless you can show deficiencies in blood work and symptoms of disease in people living off of something like a meal replacement shake like huel or so ylent and nothing else for 6 months straight. The only source of some vitamins or minerals for them was a supplement added to the meal replacement shake and they did not develop deficiencies because supplements work
That's fucking sad. People treat animals like sick.
>>545335773it’s not all that’s available because veganism is cheaper and nutritionally adequate for all stages of life. For people in first world countries and in many developing countries too meat is a luxury not a necessity
>>545331136>In one instance, a sow's nipples were so torn that her starving piglets were drinking her blood instead of milk.metal
In conservative circles it's extremely common to brag about getting off jury duty when in fact you're role on the jury has more effect on government than your vote.
>>545335116>isn't that the cost of an entire chicken?It's about quality food, not cost, and if you don't want to do the killing, that's an opportunity for a neighbor to prosper a little more to spare your feelings.You throw it in boiing water for fifteen seconds, pull it out and rip the feathers out. Gut it with a knife. You can use some of the guts in cooking, like the heart, liver and gizzard. After that, it's just a fresh chicken in the format you'd get at the store. Oh yeah, cut the head off. Or don't.
>>545335308They're the right breed for fryers, and after that, for dog food. Or cat food.
>>545336014Yes but a lot of people even innocent people pussy out and take a plea deal because they are scared of going to trial and having the book thrown at them also the state can hold you in contempt for like 7 years like they did Martin Armstrong
>>545336092There’s literally examples of people who have adopted kittens who are a couple of weeks old and then kept them indoors so no hunted food and fed them a vegan diet for their entire life of many years. Because yes synthetic vegan supplements including of nutrients like taurine only naturally found in meat do work.
>>545335353I suppose you think eating anything that lives is immoral? Animals, I mean. Not trying to catch you with semantics. Animals eat animals all the time, often alive.
>>545336315no I believe in extending human rights to trait equalized animals. 3 year old humans shoot and kill 2 year old humans. 2 day old human zygotes don’t deserve rights
We are already slaves. Only hunter-gatherers are free. I'm not going to eat slave food when there is still meat that we are supposed to eat svailable to us. If I'm goimg to be a slave I will make sure I have real food to eat, so I still have some dignity left. It's only one type of slave eating another slave. Vegans are perfect little slavery promoters. If you actually cared about this you should do everything in your power to destroy civilization which is causing the enslavement of all animals (humans included obviously).
>>545335795>The only source of some vitamins or minerals for them was a supplement added to the meal replacement shakeThe only source of some of them is just hard water.I can think of one thing that would stop any rational man from doing this even if they could. Eating is pleasurable.
>>545335862meat is nutritionally superior in every way, and easier. If you want to be big and strong without an extreme diet, eat beef, not 50 various grains with incomplete proteins.
>>545336488if pleasure is good then animal agriculture is usually immoral. If an animal is living a mostly bad life, suffering massively in a factory farm and experiencing little wellbeing then it’s wrong to breed them into existence.If an animal is living a mostly good life, perhaps on a pasture then it’s wrong to cut their mostly good life short by executing them when they’re a healthy teenager.The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it show mammals and birds are almost certainly conscious to a large degree and can experience significant amounts of pleasure and suffering
>>545335862It's all that's available if you eat meat.
>>545336633textured vegetable protein is cheaper and complete
>>545336014I'd love to get jury duty for a really political case.
>>545336302Animal cruelty.
>>545336464okay goatis/sv3rige
>>545336844the cat is not the victim. the dozens of animals tortured for hours each in a factory farm to be fed to the cat are. I don’t care about any cope of offcuts or whatever because it’s still making factory farming more profitable, this is why vegans should also avoid organic vegan food because it uses much more manure and it’s more expensive
>>545336456>2 day old human zygotes don’t deserve rightsIf you can find a 2 day-old human zygote to terminate it, you are a superior hunter. How many 2 day-old human zygotes would it take to make an omelette that would fill a grown man's rumbling belly?
>>545336464Amentotally agree
>>545336675>if pleasure is good then animal agriculture is usually immoralPleasure is neutral. The enjoyment of pleasure is somewhat opinion-based and guilt-laden by large portions of the earth.What if the animal is an asshole?You're operating on the concept that either all animal life is precious, which the natural order automatically negates, since even factory farming practices is probably better than being ripped apart by wild dogs, or you're saying that by being human, it is your opinion that we need to adopt a moral code that denies us the right to do what they do to each other anyway, supplying us with complete nutrition ans tasty chicken sandwiches.
>>545336675>The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it show mammals and birds are almost certainly conscious to a large degree and can experience significant amounts of pleasure and sufferingThey say this about people, too. I remain unconvinced.
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>>545336721It's a chemistry set, son. If I was to become pussy-ass vegan, at least I wouldn't try to fake it with TVP shaped into chicken nuggets. For the record, I've eaten a lot of TVP. My father's been a vegetarian all my life, so I grew up eating nonsense when my mom didn't make us a roast or something.
>>545336998>the cat is not the victim. the dozens of animals tortured for hours each in a factory farm to be fed to the cat are.I'd say six or one, half a dozen of the other on that. Poor kitty. Veganism is gross. This thread makes me want a steak or a nice bone-in chicken breast.
Last argument you losthttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/545235932/You are on team horse fucker>>545337348Don't even engage with his arguments. By engaging with his arguments you accept his premise. That morality is based on feeling bad and feeling good.Under his system, he can not construct a coherent argument for bestiality being unconditionally wrong. He can not, for example, argue that a 500lb horse is harmed by having sex with a person with medical concerns well taken care of in advance. He must accept that the horse and human are cooperating to feel good together.Under my system, having sex with a horse is a gross perversion, a complete inversion of the natural order upon which morality itself is based, and a cause of further evil. It must never be allowed.under his system, what I call further evil (preferring animals to people or preferring animals and people equally) he would call "finally a good man"He is on team horse fuckerHis morals are basically hinduism with the faith stripped out and like a hindu he implicitly or explicitly approves of bestiality
>>545337606It's kind of fun to explore where their deepest biases lay, though.
>>545336893Ever since the Neolithic we have been slaves. Grain slop fed the masses and consolidated power at the top. They created money, debt, work, and morals (which you use like the slave you are). The elite under this system always eats better because they don't have to follow the rules like you slaves. And that's how it has been since. It's sad to see vegans suffering from so much Stockholm syndrome that you actually defend this pyramid scheme. You probably think being forced to go to school is completely natural lol.
>>545335595why aren't we doing geothermal. seems a no brainerbut independent like you say
>>545336302there are examples of women adopting a Palestinian kid and feeding him gender affirming care until he has his own TV show. it can be done.
>>545336998domestic cats kill one billion birds every year.
>>545331136Smithfield is owned by the chinks so I'd acquit them even if they burned down the entire farm.
>>545338079that’s because they are allowed unsupervised access outside
>>545337722the shadowy elites you have no proof of the existence of?
>>545337606anti beastiality laws have exceptions written into them for artificial insemination
>>545337606>>545338880Have you ever wondered how the turkeys are produced? The industry has a problem with producing turkeys, because they’ve genetically engineered the turkeys to be too large to breed properly. A turkey in the wild is only 8 pounds by the age of four months, while the turkeys we confine are 41 pounds by that time. This is the equivalent of a 4-month-old baby being over 75 pounds.So, how do they produce more turkeys? They employ a procedure that we would uncontroversially call rape if done to a human, yet is given the clinical name artificial insemination. This involves holding down a male turkey, forcibly masturbating him, collecting the semen in a beaker, holding down a female turkey, and forcibly injecting the male semen into the female turkey, even as she thrashes and tries to get away. In nature, female turkeys evolved to be quite selective about those they mate with, and unsurprisingly find the experience terrifying. Those injecting the turkey semen into the female turkeys do this ghastly procedure about once every 12 seconds. One person who worked in the industry described:
>>545338937>>545337606>The hens weigh 20 to 30 pounds and are terrified, beating their wings and struggling in panic. They go through this every week for more than a year, and they don’t like it. Once you have grabbed her with one hand, you flop her down chest first on the edge of the pit with the tail end sticking up. You put your free hand over the vent and tail and pull the rump and tail feathers upward. At the same time, you pull the hand holding the feet downward, thus “breaking” the hen so that her rear is straight up and her vent open. The inseminator sticks his thumb right under the vent and pushes, which opens it further until the end of the oviduct is exposed. Into this, he inserts a straw of semen connected to the end of a tube from an air compressor and pulls a trigger, releasing a shot of compressed air that blows the semen solution from the straw and into the hen’s oviduct. Then you let go of the hen and she flops away.
>>545338969>>545337606Unsurprisingly, this is similarly unpleasant for the humans working in the industry. The same worker described:>It was the hardest, fastest, dirtiest, most disgusting, worst-paid work I have ever done. For ten hours we grabbed and wrestled birds, jerking them upside down, facing their pushed-open assholes, dodging their spurting shit, while breathing air filled with dust and feathers stirred up by panicked birds. Through all that, I received a torrent of verbal abuse from the foreman and others on the crew. I lasted one day.So that’s where turkeys come from. The industry holds down female turkeys and injects male turkey semen into them so that they can continue producing hideous monstrosities too large and disabled to breed, because that produces more turkey flesh.
>>545337606Sure I can. 1.I have a preference against bestiality. 2. I have the intuition that moral realism is true. I have the intuition that if something seems true and I don’t have any good reason to doubt it that it is probably true. It seems stance independently true that it is immoral for humans to have sex with pigs. I don’t have any good reasons to doubt this is stance independently true. Studies show most people agree with this. Therefore it is probably stance independently true that it is stance independently immoral for humans to have sex with pigs.I can do this as an atheist or a theist. Most atheist and most theist professional philosophers are moral realists according to philpapers 2020 survey and about half of meta ethics normative ethics etc AOS lean towards vegetarianism or veganism
>>545338616feed the "vegan" cats to the chickens
>>545337606>He can not, for example, argue that a 500lb horse is harmed by having sex with a person with medical concerns well taken care of in advance. He must accept that the horse and human are cooperating to feel good together.I can say it’s immoral for much of the same reasons it’d be immoral for a non mentally handicapped human adult to have sex with a mentally handicapped human adult.You’re just making shit up and slandering people. It’s disgusting and bad faith
>>545338969can you make them like it? turkey porn or pheromones.
>>545333595What do you meanThey have The poetic bivalve song Thats like asking if Clapton made a song about coke
>>545338079glass sided buildings and wind farms kill a lot more and we keep making those
>>545337606Much of the non human animal on non human animal sex in nature is immoral. Animals in nature do rape each other. Farmers use artificial insemination partly because of the risk of injury from natural procreation. A adult human being who is severely mentally handicapped who can not reason having sex with another adult human being who is severely mentally handicapped and can’t reason is unfortunate and should be prevented.
>>545339485they’ve been selectively bred to be too big to reproduce naturally even if they wanted to
>>545339803Why didnt they selectively breed them to also have longer dicks to make up for it Laziness and incompetence
>>545334421You are so big and tough we all admire you
Just CRISPR up some brainless meat creatures already. If you're raising them immobile in battery cages anyway might as well just grow meat in a vat. Give it just enough brainstem to eat and shit.
>>545331136Why kill them?Can't they just let roam free into the wild and become food to other animals?
>>545337949I agree. We don't do it because they can't charge us monthly for it.
>>54534042290+% would die a slow death of hunger, disease or predation. Feral chickens do exist in some places but billions of male chicks are put in blenders each year and it’s just not practical to release that many into the nature also they are all male because they don’t lay eggs and are the wrong breed for meat
>>545339510Hahaha. I really don't know Ween's catalogue. I know their Beavis and Butthead song, and people tell me I'd like them, but I've never really listened.
>>545340276I know. Bask in my glory.
>>545331136>>545331205at least they died quick
>>545340422The biggest danger would be rats. All predators would increase as well, of course, but the rodent population would boom. Rodents bring the fleas. Fleas bring the black death, and the reaper follows. Civilization's end would begin with mercy shown toward chickens born the wrong sex.
>>545340611https://youtu.be/hIE2ZoeFZtA?si=PRZ9WGuvpCKM2ibRDrop acid before listening and have fun.
>>545340810the mercy is already done in places like Germany, you scan the unhatched eggs for sex and abort the male ones before they ever have a mind
>>545340842That's a good suggestion!
>>545341010Is that what candling does? I don't recall. I'm not looking it up. It's something. They should sell home kits for egg sex determination. We could abort them into our skillets.
>>545331681You're spiritually a nigger, just so you know. I can tell by your syntax and general vibe that you're a fat virgin loser as well. I hope you grow as a human and become better.
>>545331136>>545331205>>545331349Seems the crime wasn't particularly fowl.Seriously though, this is what the Just-In-Time industry is all about, efficiency. You can say this is poor treatment and you are welcome to that opinion but if that's what you hold dear then start your own farm to help relieve others out there. The entire reason they're treated in this way is because demand is too high and not enough people want to be farmers, that's what happens when your society is obsessed with wealth or status instead of well-being. You can raise these animals with care but make no mistake, they WILL be used for people's sustenance and your most important goal should be to instill in society, that people should be respectful of the fact that these lives power our own. Stop pushing kids exclusively towards universities and make them farm first, society should make FFA or 4-H mandatory for high schoolers, private schools, home schools and make it a mandatory credit for university and colleges. Let the animals they tend be sold locally, that would be sustainable livestock welfare and also serve the purpose of teaching people while young to respect the lives they take.
>>545331681You can harvest a single crab claw and have it grow back. You can get animals addicted to fentanyl and only eat the ones that OD. You can.... Uhhh.... Eat lizard tales that fall off? HmmmmmI knew I had a few more ideas but I can't think of them right now. Vegetarians should be able to ethically eat jellyfish since they are destroyers. Same with sea urchins.
>>545331681>>545332042>>545341554oysters >>545341518there’s a few countries in Europe that have completely banned these crates and mandate that the pig be able to completely turn around
>>545341268You're a meme, kid. Hahahaha
>>545341554>>545341630I enjoy cows. And chickens. And pigs and ducks and deer and ... that's the bulk of it.
>>545331487This is such an American thing to do. Keep animals in the worst possible conditions and sooner cut off their beaks than give them more humane conditions.Same with chlorinated chicken. The chlorination itself is no big deal. But it's banned in Europe because only filthy chickens kept in squalid and diseased condition require chlorination. Again, amerifats will sooner eat putrid chicken washed in chlorine... than address the cruelty that creates the need for washing in the first place.
>>545331136The whole fucking point of jury nullification is the belief that the law shouldn't be there, or the guy was over-charged.
>>545341815>This is such an American thing to do.This is such a polish thing to say.You're reading cherry-picked tidnits and assuming everthing is uniformly that way. Besides, I can't control the industry.
>>545332211I give a shit.Things need to change.
>>545339803that's not what I said.
>>545332211humans are killed in the production and transportation of meat and vegetables. they die in traffic and workplace accidents. Some animals die for vegetables but they are not murdered like with the meat industry https://anupamkatkar.com/2015/10/08/debunking-cultivating-crops-for-vegans-kills-more-animals-than-pasture-grazing-livestock/The German study on common volesJacob and Hempel studied common voles on wheat fields and pastures in central Germany in 2002 to understand how farming practices alter their behavior. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10164-002-0073-8#page-1 In this extensive study, they fitted radio collars to 85 voles and studied them before and after mulching, mowing, harvesting, harvesting and ploughing.As expected, they found that any removal of cover, such as harvesting, mowing, or grazing cattle, decreased the spatial activity and home-range size of the voles, meaning that they didn’t travel far from their homes without the cover of vegetation. But they did not abandon the fields and did not shift their centers of activity. The voles rapidly adapted to the decrease in the height of vegetation and changed their habits, their travel routes and how far they traveled. Jacob and Hempel found that pretty much the only danger that agriculture presented to voles was an increased risk of predation. But they adapted by changing their behavior until the vegetation grew back. In this extensive, real-life field study, which used no controls, no manipulation and surveyed all agricultural activities, the data shows that actions like harvesting pose no threat to the voles. Quite the opposite of what armchair “experts” with an axe to grind claim about the impact of vegan food cultivation
>>545341630>a few countries in Europe that have completely banned these crates and mandate that the pig be able to completely turn aroundThat's nice and all but that's piss poor management that doesn't address the initial cause. Why were they placed in those to begin with? To meet a demand as efficiently as possible. The problem is that most of society doesn't care where their food comes from as long as it is AVAILABLE, that's the key here, the demand and expectation is too much with no compromise on society's part. This is why you make farming mandatory to secure food in the first place, you do it alongside your basic education, your kids get hands-on work experience to boot. If they feel they aren't cut out for it by the end, then university or blue collar jobs are still available to them at that point.
>>545342545I think people being able to specialize and the percent of workers involved in agriculture decreasing significantly over the past 100 years is a good thing. I don’t want to farm but I also don’t eat animals. The just in time delivery system has its advantages, it’s very efficient
>>545343016>and the percent of workers involved in agriculture decreasing significantly over the past 100 years is a good thing.No it isn't.
>>545343016>I don’t want to farm but I also don’t eat animalsYou're a tiny minority within your nation's society, even more so amongst the world's population. I eat meat happily but probably not near as much as most people do, I fish a lot yet also raise my own in a fairly large backyard pond. I love smoking fish in the fall as a traditional thing and sharing with my neighbors around the holidays, I understand most people don't have that sort of leeway though. Our society is not only backwards and inefficient, it has long forgotten how to live amicably.
>>545331136just because someone 'did it' doesn't mean that the jury (and community) considers it worthy of punishment. That's all.
>>545343801everybody wants to be a king, a man of leisurethe purpose of life is lost on consumerism
>>545343915A lot of people do but "too many chiefs and not enough indians" is a phrase I've heard all my life, nevermind that being chief or king comes with responsibilities most people simply aren't cut out for. I can give advice but I'm lost in the bureaucracy of it, if someone even decides to use my thoughts. I'm happy just being king of my own corner of existence and living well aside like-minded people but a lot of people out there don't know how to find contentedness.
>>545344484There are cheifs and indians, but there are also old trappers in the woods that don't want anything to do with any of them. In fact, I'd prefer to see the chiefs and indians mutually slaughter each other and leave me alone forever. I see the bureaucracy of it as if someone handed me the rules to the game Clue and said "these are the rules to life." There are no rules for people who can get around them; why should there be for me?
>>545344867If you don't want rules beyond your own you'll have to work for it (or be a ninja) for sure, that's life though you don't choose where you're born. We play the hand we're dealt but if we want to change society and by extension the bureaucracy, enough people have to be bothered. My advice? Make them bothered, the more you show them how restricted their lives are without valid reasons behind it, the more bothered they'll be. It's kinda manipulative but if people are trapped within the status quo then it's the only viable option. Violence usually gets crushed too fast after all.
>>545345343I'm too old to revolt and the system is too corrupt and the people are too stupid and I have too little money to sway them. It's futile.
>>545345419For you that may well be the case but that shouldn't hold you back from impressing upon others its importance, speaking costs nothing but time. Half the reason change doesn't happen is because we convince ourselves we're too insignificant to affect anything, the thought we don't voice fails to inspire another and nothing changes, a tree un-planted never has a chance to grow.
