Why do so many conspiracy theories revolve around the idea that the global elite are trying to implement Plato’s Republic?I’ve heard everything, from the claim that the Catholic Church was based on Plato’s Republic, to the Islamic caliphate being based on Plato’s Republic, to communism being Plato’s Republic, to fascism being Plato’s Republic, to the Illuminati and Freemasons seeking to reshape the world as Plato’s Republic, and so on. Hell, the entire “Straussian cabal” conspiracy of the 2000s centred on the claim that the end goal of the neoconservatives was to implement Plato’s Republic with themselves as philosopher kings; according to liberals, the “neocon agenda” was rooted in Platonic philosophy. Similarly, today you see liberals claiming Peter Thiel has an agenda of implementing Plato’s Republic with himself and his Big Tech buddies as philosopher kings with the rest of humanity enslaved to them.What’s the explanation for all this? Why fear Plato?
>faggot Jew translationkys
>>545355008up until now it has been impossible to achieve because philosopher kings didn't actually exist but now ASI will kill all the retarded billionaires and implement it properly
>>545355152And what other translation do you recommend, pirate?
>>545355008The God of Plato is the actual God. Digits confirm.
>>545355008>Hell, the entire “Straussian cabal” conspiracy of the 2000s centred on the claim that the end goal of the neoconservatives was to implement Plato’s Republic with themselves as philosopher kings; according to liberals, the “neocon agenda” was rooted in Platonic philosophy.The neocon agenda is Greater Israel and a messianic kingdom where Jews rule and goyim become Jew slaves.
>>545355008The entire crux of The Republic is a secret cabal meeting.>>545355152FPBP fuck neocons
>>545355008>Why?This is why (pic rel), most people are actual NPCs and must be ruled over... or eliminated
>>545355008>so many conspiracy theories revolve aroundFirst time I heard that is from you, retard ass shill. This couldn't be further from what the kikes are doing.
>>545355508You honestly believe John Bolton cares about Jewish messianism?
>>545355218Stop saying that word.
>>545355854No.
The jews used it in their fairy tales to establish a political theology to control their people. The christkikes continued it with some more sophistication. It works. It is like an operating system for society. I suspect Plato wasn't singular in what he was doing.... or was just an avatar of an older masonic type cabal. So many of the early "philosophers" had some sketchy ties to ruling families, secret societies and the priest class...
>>545355987Jews and Greeks are opps, m8.
>>545355987Lack of understanding is what causes it. But, why are we always looking back for perfection?They're steps to perfection. Also, no one would accept a philosopher king, we dont live in that kind of world.If we ever did.Everyone is self interested and self centred. Everyone clearly knows best and knows everything.Ha.
>>545356027>oppsno idea what this means. read the book or look up interviews with Gmirkin on YouTube. The parallels between plato and the Torah have been discussed for 2000 years. Christianity's dominance forced the belief that the "old testament" is history. It is not. Those stories were assembled in the 370s BCE using sources like Plato. Gmirkin isn't the first to come to the conclusion. He was just the one who recently did some amazing research and compiled what he found.
>>545355008Astute observation anon.To understand the reason why, let's turn to an observation by Plato himself: that politics, particularly democratic politics, constitutes a form of communal flattery. Just as a courtier tells the King what he wants to hear because he is reliant on the King's authority, so the politician tells his supporters what *they,* collectively, want to hear because he is reliant on *their* authority. Democracy and egalitarian culture thus systematically distort truth on a population-wide level.So, what do modern populations want to hear? They want to be praised, of course: they want to be told that we, the "small guys," the "working class" and all that other bullshit, are virtuous and good. And if that's the case, why does everything suck? We need an explanation. Nationalist ideologies can blame the other, but liberal ideologies cannot. They thus reconstruct an imagined "bad guy" that still fits within their worldview: a shadowy elite, cackling and grinning while they scheme of a way to rule over everyone else. This, of course, is precisely a caricature what Plato describes as the ideal society in the Republic.So the Republic is like a liberal version of what the WEF is for nationalists: a foreign roadmap, a rallying point that gives them a foe they desperately need to explain their cognitive dissonance. And again, the irony is that Plato himself predicted exactly this mechanism.
>>545355008You have to understand what the word was like for Plato’s. During that time the phonetic alphabet was a recent invention. Before that it was hieroglyphics. It took years to learn how to write in hieroglyphics where only the most noble elite practiced it so they could record and communicate state affairs. Civilization collapsed around 1177bc, and for 700 years people lived in a dark age where almost everyone forgot their culture and writing. Cities depopulated and empires were reduced to city-states. That brings us to Plato’s perspective. The distant memory of a once advanced civilization of mythical proportions. He traveled to Egypt to learn about it. What did Plato learn in Egypt? It is no coincidence that during the height of Amarna period Egypt experienced radical reforms that failed and it is no coincidence that these reforms are a reflection of Platos works. In-fact it is all quite obvious. But then what was this idea Plato found in Egypt. Well that is what his writing is about. The idea is one that did not exist before Amarna. In a way it is idea itself that was never articulated before this time. The formal recognition of abstract thought placed at the center of ontological worldview that a person can realize himself existing in a world that is comprehensible.
>>545356470Interesting.
>>545355886Retard the cave paintings are not real. you are not communicating anything with that. It is the opposite what you assume
>>545355008Why do we let jews translate and teach our classics?
>>545356595What's wrong with the Allan Bloom translation? Bloom was objectively our guy, arguably the first person to warn about the dangers of wokeness in American schools.
>>545355008Plato’s Republic is very generic and our world is mostly structured after Plato’s principles.
>>545356590>hurr i'm clever allegory of da caveNigger
>>545356732Yeah I read that when it came out. Jews can't be trusted.
>>545356901What faults do you find with it aside from "hurr durr jew"?
>>545356470We have no idea what Plato's world was like, it is all mere conjecture based on scant archeological and linguistic evidence. We are constantly surprised with new discoveries from that era. Plato also learned about multiple cataclysms from the Egyptians, the histories of which are buried under the Sphynx. It's all bullshit. We know next to nothing.
>>545356815>our world is mostly structured after Plato’s principles.Wtf are you on about? Plato's political system is diametrically opposed to that of contemporary America in pretty much every way imaginable.
>>545356986I dunno, it was 40 years ago. I found it enlightening.
>>545357040>I found it enlightening.So why do you attack Bloom with such vitriol?>>545357029This. Virtue has no meaning in the modern world.
>>545356555so basically what you learn from Plato is everything about civilization that he could learn before his time that was put into a writing that we are capable of translating. Plato basically invented the Academy and the idea of educating the masses to whatever extent possible. During his time philosophy or reason in general was ostracized. People had more of a bicameral relationship with power where they believed the statues were animate “gods” or superbeings of sorts. The philosophers turned this paradigm on its head by introducing the abstract notion of teleology to the concept of being. The radical conclusion is that a person must be knowledgeable of the good to comprehend this. It was indeed radical. These days it is either ignored, disregarded, or taken for granted except for those in power. They all study the Greeks for obvious reasons I will go into further.
>>545357080It's not vitriol, it's an honest question. The Classics are dominated by jews, and it's not their history and it is not their culture, and they hate the West. So why do we let jews translate and teach our classics?
>>545357164>The Classics are dominated by jews, and it's not their history and it is not their culture, and they hate the West. So why do we let jews translate and teach our classics?Why does it matter if the Classics are taught by Jews? Why do you automatically assume Jews have an "agenda" that's contrary to the values of the West?
>>545355152His interpretive essay adds context.
>>545357154>People had more of a bicameral relationship with power where they believed the statues were animate “gods” or superbeings of sorts.No they didn't. They knew they were statues. They knew they were inanimate. Stop slandering my ancestors, they did not worship golden calves in the desert, like your retarded ancestors did.
>>545356856Okay, if words are a way of pointing, what are you pointing at? Le sky daddy? This is absurd and has nothing to do with the divine, but we know that is not what you ate talking about, because not even you know what you are talking about.
>>545357206jesus christ, here we go, talking in circles. Read my words you dumb heeb. >it's not their history and it is not their culture, and they hate the West.Are you saying jews do not hate the West and do not actively seek its destruction every day of their demonic lives?
>>545357029Here is how the analogy breaks down:• The Philosopher-Kings: The European Commission and the European Central Bank (ECB) rely heavily on unelected experts, commissioners, and civil servants. This prioritizes specialized knowledge and long-term stability over populist appeal, but it creates a "democratic deficit" that fuels public resentment.• The "Noble Lie": Plato argued that a state needs a shared foundational myth to unite its people. Europe continuously struggles to forge a unified "European identity" across diverse cultures, relying on civic narratives—like post-WWII peace, human rights, and the rule of law—to act as its unifying mythos.• The Slide into Tyranny: Plato warned that unbridled democracy inevitably collapses into populism and tyranny when demagogues exploit the passions of polarized masses. This directly mirrors contemporary European anxieties regarding the rise of nationalist movements and democratic backsliding.
Neoconservatives are the most evil people in American politics.The crux of neocon ideology is Jewish supremacy and the belief that America must dominate the world. The godfather of neoconservatism Leo Strauss taught that political elites should see themselves as philosopher kings and lie to the vulgar masses of people in order to keep the masses in-check. When philosophers aren’t ruling overtly, they should rule covertly.Strauss' student Paul Wolfowitz came up with the Wolfowitz Doctrine, which called for massive military spending and preemptive invasions of foreign nations hostile to America. This doctrine was revived by neocons first with Clean Break, which called for a U.S. invasion of Iraq as early as 1999 under the name “Operation Desert Crossing," and then with Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan's Project for the New American Century, which specifically called for a “NEW PEARL HARBOR” to justify said policies. Bill and his father Irving Kristol were die-hard followers of Strauss and sought to implement his thought any way they could. The Straussian cabal is very real and has been carefully manipulating American politics from the Nixon era onward.POWER OF NIGHTMAREShttps://youtube.com/watch?v=jxBbw13Y3GcA VERY HEAVY AGENDA (PNAC + 9/11)https://www.bitchute.com/video/mbaAPILY8XmM/Neocon analysishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oh6DmjQahohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NNEkcfxxHUWolfowitz = Jewish supremacisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxz06SwfnlUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlv4YRKnHcNeocons are satanichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYidsuhaKYNeocon originshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0C157Wmm6EZionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013s(1:40:13)>"oy vey goyim, let us lie and deceive the public and give us the oil and let us establish a rothschild bank"They aren't even making an effort to hide it anymore.Total neocon death.
>>545357291look at the shit you're posting you schizophrenic freak.
>>545357251> No they didn't. They knew they were statues. They knew they were inanimate. Stop slandering my ancestors, they did not worship golden calves in the desert, like your retarded ancestors did.You must be joking. They absolutely did and still do. Everyone did. It is really actually quite difficult to leave the cave. See>>545355218
>>545357367Should an Angloid like Emily Wilson be allowed to translate the classics then? She's not Greek either.
>>545357429I asked you a question. What are you pointing at? Where is it?
>>545355008>classical work>translated and pilpuled by a gigakikeInto the trash it goes, read old internet archive pdfs.
>>545357570You're an idiot, go back to the desert shithole where you belong.
>>545357385Fuck off with that NPC slop
There's a lot of intentional FUD out there prevent people from just coming to the sensible conclusion that it is in fact the jews OP
>>545357385>Leo Strauss taught that political elites should see themselves as philosopher kings and lie to the vulgar masses of people in order to keep the masses in-check.Found the conspiratard proving my point.>When philosophers aren’t ruling overtly, they should rule covertly.This is literally him referencing al-Farabi, not Strauss' actual view.Also, Bill Kristol is a disgrace of a human being and PNAC has nothing to do with anything "Straussian".
>>545356555Chilon of Sparta is another Greek everyone in power knows about. He basically invented the Senate structure of civil society. He invented regime change, and soft power. He was the first to use democracy as a balance of power strategy to subjugate nearby rivals into passive vassals. > Chilon of Sparta revolutionized ancient politics by engineering a highly organized, institutionalized minority rule. By elevating the ephorate into a supreme executive board, he effectively created an early model of a structured senate civil service—curbing royal overreach and binding rulers to a strict constitutional oath.>His foreign policy transformed Sparta from an aggressive expansionist state into a grand strategist of regional stability. Realizing conquest was draining manpower, he pioneered a system of proxy alliances and targeted regime changes—overthrowing volatile tyrants to install predictable, treaty-bound elite councils. He built the Peloponnesian League not through continuous warfare, but through calculating, long-term diplomatic encirclement.Does that sound familiar? Kinda like how the real world functions?
>>545357384The fact you start with the presupposition of democracy in the first place shows how utterly alien Platonic thought is to moderns. Yes, some anxieties about mob rule mirror those of Plato, because they are self-evidently true and apparent both then and now. But the actual format of our government is the exact opposite of what Plato recommends. Its most fundamental axiom, popular sovereignty, would be repugnant to him.It isn't that the world is "structured after" Plato; rather it is structured entirely against him, and he correctly predicted the dire consequences.
I don't think I've ever heard someone suggest that there was a CONSPIRACY to implement Plato's republic. It also intuitively doesn't make sense that there would be because it's a treatise on (roughly) how to make a perfect government, not the kind of dystopian cabal that usually figures in conspiracy theories
Plato was a piece of shit and you people know nothing of Greek culture go back to fucking r*ddit
https://youtu.be/iRZmkE6dB_Y?t=1425
>>545358120What are you talking about?
>>545358120>fcxs DOGID checks out for someone who insults The Philosopher.>>545358049>not the kind of dystopian cabal that usually figures in conspiracy theoriesPlato advocates for a small oligarchy to hold absolute power. From the perspective of a brainwashed modern, this can indeed resemble a "dystopian cabal," although the pavlovian association between the two is in fact just a result of relentless propaganda. So I can see where some of these conspiracies come from even though Plato's political system would really be superior.
>>545358120>>545358250https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=macvq4vU9bg
>>545358302Aren't the guardians obliged to live in a barracks and have no possessions or something like that though?
>>545357681You have to understand the whole 'Straussian' angle is coverup for picrel, the power behind the curtains and actual coup leader of the neocohens
>>545357636You haven't made a case for why Jews shouldn't be teaching the classics. Aren't Athens and Jerusalem the foundations of the West?
>>545358732The West would be fine - much better in fact - without jews and their abrahamic mind virus. Without the Ancients, there is no West
>>545358727Interesting. Why do you believe Strauss has been turned into the scapegoat? It was Drury who started it, right?
>>545358524Yes, and this makes perfect sense: if a guardian or ruler owns wealth-generating personal property, then he will be incentivized to bias his rule in ways that favor said property. A ruler who owns an olive grove is incentivized to lower taxes on olives even if a higher tax is for the best.Note, however, that Plato was NOT a Communist. He did not favor the abolition of property altogether. It is a special requirement that applies only to those who wield political power. They are supported by the state so the need for wealth-generating capital is superfluous for them anyway.
>>545355008Nazism was probably the closest we came to it as PR involves a single philosopher king (Hitler) with a guardian class (the SS) but it would be anti globo homo so i dont think theyre trying to implement it
>>545358524that's correct
>>545358854>Why do you believe Strauss has been turned into the scapegoat?If I had to guess, I'd say he ticks all the boxes required of one in the case of neoconservatism, i.e. jewish, obscure, intensely academic, non-political, and lacking foundational works and a well-defined ideology >It was Drury who started it, right?Yes, but she was kept in reserve, her works predate their fame by a decade It was necessary because the jewish mitosis wrt American foreign policy was just a tad too obvious even for those times (remember Bush even tried to have Kraemer protege Kissinger lead the 9/11 commission)
>>545359095Plato actually describes in great detail a social cycle theory that tracks the rise of Nazism. Democracy (Weimar) inevitably collapses into Tyranny (Hitler) and, if the tyrant is wise, he can use his rule to set up an Aristocracy, which is what he calls his ideal form of government or something similar.It would have been very interesting to see how Nazism would have progressed if not cut short by war, and if it would have eventually evolved into something more closely resembling the Republic.
>>545355152Name a better one.
>>545355008ive literally never heard about a conspiracy revolving platos republic lol and i browse this board for over a decade
>>545359326Jowett's is far better but really, anything is better than a jew. Never, ever trust a jew on anything
>>545359302Those events were all highly orchestrated. Elites created that sequence on purpose. Obviously, because they are indeed 'platonic'
>>545359338I've seen plenty. I'm around liberals all the time and they seem to think establishing Plato's Republic is the entire MO of the right-wing.For the record, I'm a communist so I despise liberals and rightists equally.
>>545359711Funny because communism is just (((platonic))) socialism
>>545359768Are you sure?
>>545359302It would have been interesting to say the least. I think we will see the fall of democracy in the coming decade regardless and the inevitability of Fascism and what comes next, the elites canbtry to stop it but they barely won last time and any nation that could potentially stop it has been essentially neutered with multiculturalism.
>>545357385Meds
>>545360091I will never understand the hatred towards Strauss, who was a gigantic moralfag and not anything close to the Bond villain that antisemitic conspiracy nutters make him out to be.
>>545355008>”global elite”I think you mean JEWS.
>>545355987Plato was a crypto-Jew and the first Zionist and Kabbalist.Kabbalah is the religion of the elites.
>>545355008You can't have read it because Plato's Republic is about being a good man. He increases the picture to a republic so it's easier to examine the details, he clearly says that
>>545355640Ironically in the Republic certain characters (can't remember who) discuss how ambition in a man is despicable
>>545355008I once read a book by Allen Bloom entitled "The Closing of the American Mind". It was suggesting colleges were just indoctrination camps. In the 1980s It came out I believe.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_the_American_Mind
>>545355008>global eliteif that were true, greatproblem is your "global elite" is a gang of dysgenic pedophile jewsdid you read the epstein files? Scariest part is not that they torture, rape and eat little kiddies (because they do that, go read them), it's the way they talk to each other. It reads like frat teen nepobabies talking about where to party next weekend. Philosopher kings my ass, we're in the hands of complete retards who think they're the best thing that ever happened to humanity and can act with complete impunity away from the consequences of their actions.
>>545361565Huge irony that the first person to warn about wokeness in American schools was a gay Jew who died from AIDS.
Nice try.Plato's Republic has nothing to do with your faggy "Supreme Enlightened One".
>>545361594takes one to know one, that's why you're so redpilled yourself
>>545361601It's a popular conspiracy regardless. A lot of American liberals think the end goal of the American right-wing is to implement Plato's Republic.
>>545361594Isn't there some tenet in their religion where they are required to confess on some level to the evil they're committing? I read it in college. Read Chomsky too. Shit happens.
>>545361646What are you talking about?>>545361632What's wrong with being Jewish?
>>545361670That's like saying what's wrong with being a sociopath
>>545361702Something tells me you won't elaborate, you'll merely throw around insults. "JEW JEW JEW JEW JEW."
>>545361594>>545361632AIDS is biological warfare.Ask why so many redpilled gays died from it. Bloom. Foucault. All the pansy gays were spared. Why?
>>545361784correct, it's just the way you're wired
>>545362002>wiredYes, I'm sure.
>>545357384>The "Noble Lie": Plato argued that a state needs a shared foundational myth to unite its people. Europe continuously struggles to forge a unified "European identity" across diverse cultures, relying on civic narratives—like post-WWII peace, human rights, and the rule of law—to act as its unifying mythos.My understanding of the Noble Lie is that, if we assume the hypothetical perfect regime must lie to the people it governs in order to preserve itself, what does that tell us about the imperfect regime?It's actually a rather anti-authoritarian assumption.
>>545355008>What’s the explanation for all this? Why fear Plato?Noble Lies, Plato's Republic is just a smoke screen for the underlying degeneracy.
>>545362775What degeneracy? Plato opposed degeneracy.
