Across completely isolated cultures, humanity repeatedly stumbled onto the exact same dark logic: sacrifices as functional metaphysical technology.From Neolithic infant burials beneath Jericho’s walls and Shang Dynasty foundation pits in China to 200 bound bodies beneath Teotihuacan’s pyramids, the operational rules never changed. Violent deaths, unburied remains, and precise placement at posts and doorways were consistently treated as a repeatable system to create guardians, bind spirits, and secure power. Written records—like the Greek Magical Papyri and Mesopotamian incantation bowls—spelled out these exact instructions for controlling souls like tools.The ruling classes understood the mechanics and used them to anchor empires, build monuments, and consolidate control. Organized religions were then distributed to the masses to prohibit the practice, leaving the actual mechanics strictly in the hands of elites while convincing everyone else to abandon the tech entirely.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45BqFDcEsVM
>>545367049Even today
You don't need to convince me any further, I already want to kill them all
>>545367218its very cold and calculated and basic logic.Human will can dominate nature. Domesticate stuff. Spirits are part of nature. Magician can domesticate weak spirits. Sure adult ones are stronger, but they are tricky and unreliable. Child spirit can be groomed by them.Its insane, but they have their logic.
>>545367049Let's pick something simple. A criminal gang that does something like sell drugs. There is always a need for "muscle" in such gangs, even during "peacetime" because when someone steals like half a million euro or more of your drugs or drug money you can't just go to the police about it.Then there is basic "policing" of their turf, which they have to be ruthless about because if you just let even just one guy (that's not even affiilated with your gang or is kicking up money to you to operate) you get a repuation as being soft and weak. Which then, congratulations, others are going to exploit that. You will see more attempts to steal from you. More attempts to just assassinate people and even guys under you will want to kill you because they don't want to take incredible risks (risks of long jail time, or death) for a weak or simpleton leader.How do such gangs then ensure that "soldiers" are actually good at "the job" of ensuring that rules are enforced and people know not to fuck with them? Many of these gangs, even in prison, have initiation rituals. They will ask you to kill someone. If you don't do it, they kill you. Now not only have you demonstrated you're serious and do what is required but they also have something on you, they know you committed the murder because they fucking told you to do it, maybe even gave you the weapon too.This is then why, in the darkest, most evil gangs, often the ones that truly rule over us, have some of the darkest initiation rituals, like killing or raping (maybe both) of children. Because if you do this, what won't you do? And they also have massive leverage over you. Your hands are now very dirty, and bloody welcome to the gang. Even some of your dumbest evil people will know if they do something like kill or rape a child they could get killed if they go to prison. The bigger the stakes, the worse the initiation rituals.
>>545367049Definitely gonna watch this.I remember watching Molyneux's the story of your enslavement years ago and that made the world make a lot more sense. I didn't even know about the jew factor yet
>>545367218some magicians use roaming spirits, they dont sacrifice, they make an offering place and idols for them to inhabit and then they domesticate them, they carry them out as well...There was one account of this guy crisping slowly his baby son til he was all dried as sacrifice so he can have him as magic spirit that benefits him from that realm, but most of it is linked to building and construction. I have noticed that when it comes to buildings and monuments they do use adults often and a lot.
>>545367838Also they have important distinction of doing the death violently by other human. If it is normal death, or animal the spirit does not linger it seems. So for binding spirits to a place is usually done violently. Something about confusion and suffering that attaches most spirits to a place. I see a lot of links to attachment like sytem present in buddhism. Like it is weaponized.
>>545367687Now add after they killed the guy for a gang they take his skull, invoke Helios to give them rule over his spirit and then they burry the corpse in mob HQ to be their guardian spirit. Like Adolfo de Jesús Constanzo. Yes. Google that insane shit.
>>545367941Oldfags might remeber icke talking to schizo nigger shaman and him explaining the ritual of human sacrifice by steps.(They let you run first time so you get hyped even more, but then they catch you for sure and you start making some ultra adrenoits over chemicals that make everyone high)
>>545367049moral of the story is dont get sacrificed if it works you will have to goy in afterlife as well, make sure your remains are safe also and dont get overly attached to anything or anyone it can be used against you.
>>545367049retarded schizos are in power
>>545367218The thing that gets me is how you get to that level of lack of empathy. If I get mad at a loved one and say a cross word I spend all day feeling bad about it. How do you do horrible things to children and just walk away like it was nothing? Truly demonic
its not about magic schizoanonI remember reading about ancient canaanite (jewish) child sacrificeand the reason it "worked" for them was because of the power of self-beliefthey rationalized>I sacrificed my own children, my flesh and blood I killed in honor of my god, this better work, because if it doesn't, if I lose the battle, it means I killed them for nothingso they fought harder and more desperatelythere is no magic, there are no spirits, its just disgusting groups abusing human psychology
>>545367049>deserts increasing>life dwindling>turmoil escalatingYea, and its 100% because they keep killing the young.When will the young eat the old instead?
>>545368708Yes. There is a method. What is fascinating is that you find it across isolated cultures, from Neolithic Jericho to Shang China, Teotihuacan, and Fiji. unconnected societies independently used identical "rules" for foundation sacrifices, universal tech.
>>545368770Will to power. Why does human domesticane animal or tame forests. He can. Why is adult stronger than child? Just is. They dont care about morals. Their will is greater than that of a tortured confused young spirit so they will win. Its all very very fucked up, but logical.Why lion aims for sick anthelope before a healthy adult one? Easier meal. Less calories but risk to reward.
>>545368074>Adolfo de Jesús Constanzo>Constanzo was baptized Catholic and served as an altar boy, but also accompanied his mother on trips to Haiti to learn about Vodou>>545367049>Organized religions were then distributed to the masses to prohibit the practice, leaving the actual mechanics strictly in the hands of elites while convincing everyone else to abandon the tech entirely.Yeah because dabbling in the occult turns you into a fucking monster. You stupid shit. It didnt work for Constanzo, the stupid shit got himself killed over his own delusions.
>>545367049The elites are just fucking retarded, they literally believe in magic because logic has failed to prove any of their goals possible or good. They are the dimwitted children of elites, fearful of work above all, and they believe in fucking magic. Not just magic, they only believe in old magic, which seems especially stupid to me. A long time ago it was a much smaller world, the retards pretending to be witches didn’t have secret arcane knowledge back then that they don’t have now, there was just less witches so you took them more seriously. Surely if magic had any merit the greater number of witches today would have more refined magic not less.
>>545369023I dont think elites have those restrictions.
>>545367049Current elite are faggot gnostics, Sabattean-Frankists or Chabad schizos. They have extreme mental illnesses and misunderstand proper Platonic philosophy. They want to bring about their Messiah and anhilate the 'evil' material world, and will even try to communicate with evil through human sacrifice in order to achieve this aim. >>545368586Unironically this.
>>545369087Merely drunk with power. In reality it doesn't take much to be a successful assassin, and all the power that using them can give you. They're equating the power of subterfuge as proof that the occult holds power and thus justify their actions with circular logic. It would all fall like a house of cards in the right circumstance, like it did with Constanzo. And none of them will live forever, no matter how much they try. It's just madness and evil deeds, nothing more.
>>545369485maybe or it has been going on behind the scenes always for last 10000 years, sometimes by everyone, sometimes openly, but I dont think it ever stopped. It seems like its a part of our human condition. Maybe we were the archons all along lol
>>545368690It takes 'practice'. What they don't realize when doing this, is that they're actually destroying the part of their spirit that lets them perceive God, and therefore be bothered by a conscience. It may help them become rich on Earth, but their afterlife is especially rough. Essentially, they become the lowest, most tormentable class of demon, that even people in the 'higher hells' don't even want around.
hylics/neurotypicals/cluster b/npcs cannot self-createthey need to take from something always to sustain themselves. they are not connected to source energy and are purely material constructs doomed to entropythat's why you get mainstream terms like energy vampires now>>545369163gnosticism is anti-empire and anti-world power you clueless faggot
>>545370125Imagine you enter the "club" they tell you they invented all that god stuff so nobody else would use their cheat code. You would probably accept that logic. And like the finnish anon said. Power all arround you prowes them right.
>>545368708>every single culture on earth practiced or currently practices human sacrifice>because it doesn't workReally nigga? No, seriously, really, nigga?
>>545370600now we are talking...yes. you think.What could it be? Maybe its some ancient relic from out of africa (sounds unlikely it would survive)....maybe its some human psychology archrtype (probably not)....maybe it does work. Any other maybes?Btw speaking of Jung. In these rituals humans have seperate spirit our shadow and it can be measured and stolen to serve.
>>545370378You act like you believe this, but have you lifted a finger to remove any of the evil people from existence? If you believed that was the case, truly believed it, you would be 'doing things'.
Funny that guy that killed a bunch of children in a kindergarten didn't gain power..he was sadisticly raped in jail¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>545370822if I beleived this I woud piss my pants to go against them because they will shoot me using zogbot, then take my skull and make me their spirit slave for eons. i would be even more scared then bro, if u can just do hero and go to jesus its easy. If they farm your soul weather you hero or no its not such a good plan. What I would care for more is how to keep my remains safe, how to train my spirit, how to avoid being violently sacrificed etc.
>>545370340>gnosticism is anti-empire and anti-world power you clueless faggotCan you read you fucking, mouth breathing idiot?He clearly stated:>>They have extreme mental illnesses and misunderstand proper Platonic philosoph
>>545370792I am from a family that practices sacrifice. I know for a fact that it works and that it's all real. There is no way I could convince you it's real with words, it has to be experienced. I don't think. I'm not guessing. I KNOW.People that dismiss this shit offhand are fools that have never searched for the truth a day in their lives. This shit is everywhere. The people that do this are everywhere. They are in your schools, your hospitals, your governments, they are your neighbors. And they rely on your ignorance to get away with it. In other countries it's not even a secret, it's done openly in broad daylight.
>>545370822>>545370976This is where the fun happens. Nut up or shut up. Spiritual warfare is very real and niggas do be dying all the time. I am not somebody niggas want to be casting spells on, I'll put your whole coven in the dumpster where it belongs.
Human sacrifice has a pretty simple logical progression so it's not really surprising many cultures would independently engage with it:>reification of abstract concepts as deities/spirits>anthropomorphism and desire to manipulate the elements gives rise to the notion that these entities might want things from us>common sense dictates greater value sacrifice = greater reward>great value imposed on human life = great reward for sacrificing itMix in the organically emergent notion of the soul and you get questions, and later answers, regarding the souls of the sacrificed.It's really not that deep. Tragic, but not deep.
>>545371478if we accept thair own framework to win we would also have to be some necromancer sacrificers. i dont want to, isnt there a better way.
>>545371330What the fuck is that shit anon. Is every nail specific ritual or?
>>545371330>The people that do this are everywhere. They are in your schools, your hospitals, your governments, they are your neighbors.I am worrird if they are in the morgue. If I am dead my corpse goes through the system. If they have a magician in the morgue house he could get me there. Its not like I can fight back if I am dead. Should I make my own tomb? Funeral pyre? System doesnt allow that I think.
>>545371582>we would also have to be some necromancer sacrificers.That's not a logical conclusion. You don't have to embrace satanism to delete satanists.
>>545372059What if its not satanism its just how nature works and satsnism angle is to keep you ignorant and weak?
>>545371582Bruh, my nigga, this problem was solved ages ago. The entire reason Christ had to be sacrificed on the cross was to counter all of that shit. All you have to do is believe on his name and accept that he died for your sins and you will gain access to the tools you need to fight them without becoming a necromancer or a kung fu master. Wielding them is another matter. You need skill too.>>545371627It's called an nganga or a prenda for the spic version. Every single individual item in that mix serves a purpose. This thing is capable of killing people at a distance if they have no spiritual defense or if their defense is not strong enough.As far as I know there are three ways to fight this sort of thing, become a better necromancer, master your chi control and beat the fucking shit out of the demons it sends, or rely on the forces of heaven to do your fighting for you. Or some kind of combination of the above. Basically get gud or get got. Normies are sitting ducks waiting to be reaped.
>>545371929They do, sorry to have to tell you. They also have people taking babies blood when they are born to use in rituals. You better learn how to become ungovernable and start praying to Christ. I am not joking.
>>545372161>The entire reason Christ had to be sacrificed on the cross was to counter all of that shit.Or entire reason that story was invented was to monopolize that shit? Who wrote the jesus stuff? Jews. Not very trustworthy are they.
>>545372123>What if its not satanism its just how nature worksThen prairie dogs would be dominating humans.
>>545372232I dont buy the christ thing. First its all jewish. Second it could fit the narrative to monopolize the knowledge. Third all sources for jesus even being real are shitty. I dont have much to fall on when all of this is troubeling me in regards to christ. Id rather use buddhism methodology and try to not be attsched so they cant hook me.
>>545372275>Then prairie dogs would be dominating humans.I dont get it sorry.
>>545372234Alright hoss, I said my piece. Keep grasping at shadows in the dark while the real players are bodying you entire civilization. I'm not theory crafting here. I am telling you what the deal is. Take it or leave it.
Abortion is already a sacrifice, for every three kids being born, another was aborted. 70 milions each year
>>545372424Fair enough. We can disagree or not talk about it anymore. I think I was genuine. When it comes to matters of faith in the end its up to just that.
>>545372324Good luck with that. You're not strong enough.>t. nigga that punches demons in the mouth for fun
>>545372562>nigga that punches demons in the mouth for fun? i am now curious, huh? how? dreams?
>>545368708Midwit normie take with muh psychology. The spirit realm is more real than the physical world.
>>545372674Bro I just said become a kung fu master and use your chi to beat the shit out of them. Defeating them in dreams works too but you need a method.The Buddhist route is a version of that. You don't have what it takes to do that though. If you did, you wouldn't be sitting here asking day 1 questions. It would be rising up inside of you like an unquenchable fire and you would simply be fighting. This is why I tell you to turn to Christ. He'll give you what you're missing if you ask.
>>545372429Sacrificing humans is the most effective society building strategy. First, you trap them in a concrete jungle and lock down the valuables with guns. If they don’t work, they don’t eat. If they die, that’s good. Because humans have proven time and time again, gore doesn’t stop them from breeding more. You kill them on purpose too, and whatever meager possessions they had are now distributed. When you kill 1 million people, it’s like a gold rush. Most of the labor will kill you eventually, and when you die. Thats too bad for you. I wouldn’t say they try to cover it up. We’re held hostage at gunpoint and not allowed to leave. They said they own everything. They kill us too. It’s a clever system which kills a portion of people so that the remaining get free stuff. Governments are just a way to hide the killings behind some type of credibile concept, but I’m really not sure who they think they’re fooling. Theyll say other people are convinced.
>>545373182>You don't have what it takes to do that though. If you did, you wouldn't be sitting here asking day 1 questions.maybe, maybe not. you have fairly limited information to make any decent conclusions, but maybe you have supernatural abilities.
>>545373418Is it rising up inside of you like an unquenchable fire? Do you have what it takes to do pic rel? I do have supernatural powers but all I need is deduction to figure this out. You are an autistic intellectual, not a warrior.
>>545373733I and you is how they get you imo
>>545373891That answer is more Jewish than anything in the bible and it proves my point. You don't even have the courage to answer. The Buddhist path is a waste of time and contradictory on its face. How can one become a bhoddisatvha AND be free from desire? It makes no sense. Good luck to you though. I'm sure that intellect will carry you far in matters of SPIRIT.
>>545367049Their want for children is multi faceted, but the most important in modern context is their blood contains stem cells for life extension and longevity. Pure Jews are all fucked up from genetic bottlenecks. They need transfusion and organ transplants constantly.
>>545374366I think theravada and pali canon are what was orignal buddhas teaching. Boddisatva is mahayana. It feels like you only offer me 1 solution, christ and when I say what my issues are you insult me and dont want to address any of the issues.
>>545374423probably blackmailing as well>>545373380all cities have negative demography, they suck up people and kill them, but they all have bigger network so more and cheaper stuff.
>>545374469I am not insulting you, you are percieving it as an insult. I am giving you an accurate description of your character. I have given you THREE solutions, you are not suited for two of them and in the long run there is only one solution that is permanent. That is the whole point of Christ in the first place. He is THE way. Not A way, THE way. I point you to Christ out of mercy to save you years of pointless struggle. You cannot perceive this because you are lost in your intellect and so I will appeal to your intellect with this question: In matters of spirit does it not make the most sense to heed the words of the KING of spirits?Your issues are not worth addressing because they are foolish. You are a fool. This is not an insult, this is to say that you lack wisdom. Intellect is not the same thing as wisdom and it makes a poor substitute. I have no desire to engage with the naval gazing of fools and even less so to engage with cowards who cannot find the courage to confront their own lack of understanding, so I do not, as I have no obligation to.The words I have said to you are more precious than gold, they are treasures of Heaven. You do not have the disposition to perceived this, thus you are unsuitable for the path you have chosen. It is a simple deduction to make. You lack courage and wisdom, you are an ignorant wretch. There is only one path available to such a man that will bring him any measure of comfort and joy: Christ. I share this knowledge with you freely because I love you, as you seem unaware.
>>545375905blah blah, pride, arrogance, you suck, obey christcuck goy.hello jew
>>545375905I just dont see how you could even know this about me just from a few posts.
>>545375905>matters of spirit does it not make the most sense to heed the words of the KING of spirits?That would be this scary guy holding the wheel, not jesus. Jesus is just jewish mythos this sacrifice thing has been everywhere and with isolated cultures.
>>545376136Exactly.
>>545376236Let me simplify this for you. Can your belief system do pic rel? Can it teach you to do it as well? If not, it is worthless, because that is what you are trying to fight against. At the end of the day, might makes right. Every knee shall bend.
>>545372363They kill their offspring constantly, so if it was some kind of natural law, they'd be benefitting more than humans.
>>545376830Bro, you're looking at everything through a Christian lens (might makes right, angels with spears). There are examples. Like When Mara (the ultimate personification of evil/death) attacked the Buddha with an entire army of demons under the Bodhi tree, the Buddha just touched the earth. Maras whole army vanished into nothingness because they had zero power over a fully liberated mind.Or read the Atanatiya Sutta where spirits bow to the Buddha, or how monks tame forest demons just through boundless Metta.
>>545368996>a jew>trying to justify its animalistic instinctsOk. Well. Keep eating YOUR kids. We are onto you now.
>>545377575im anti jew. read what I have written. my biggest issue with abrahamic approach to this issue is that is is jewish. I am trying to figure them out.
>>545377680I did, which is why I responded like I did.You are 30ptbtid now.Either you are trying to spin this your way, or you are trying to manipulate the perception.Let me be clear. Consume your own children. That is your future.
>>545377449No, I am answering your original question about how to stop necromancers from enslaving your soul. If you think you have what it takes to accomplish that through your method, then what have you to fear? I know what it takes to accomplish this from the eastern paths as I have walked these paths. I also know what it takes to accomplish this through the Christian path. The latter is far more simple and far more easy to accomplish.If you think you have what it takes to stop pic rel from affecting you when that's your skull in the cauldron, then by all means have at it. I'm just pressing x to doubt and offering you a better solution. Knock yourself out, champ.
>>545378446You're a faggot jeet, may your false gods destroy youshiva brahma vishnu all eat each others asses human centipede style forever in hellThe Lord Rebuke You satan
>>545378446>I'm just pressing x to doubtYes, it doesnt bother me though. Anyway. Lets not get stuck on this. We can probably find some other angles we can have a constructive talk on.What do you think of ancestors spirits and that form. Also ancient. Would that also have an effect?
>>545378167Im curious on the topic thats all. Implications and how different anons approach it. I denounce the talmud and torrah and all that, how else you want me to prove my non appreciation?
>>545378667The fuck are you talking about nigga I'm a white Christian male that eats false gods for breakfast trying to convert a pagan right in front of your eyes. Check that hair trigger, brother.>>545378749>the man who is afraid of necromancers thinks he has what it takes to make their demonic masters flee from him with just his presence like Bhudda.Can you truly not comprehend how foolish this line of reasoning is?
>>545378749Didnt see your pic. I am literally capable of performing this task and have performed it in the past several times. I am telling you you don't have what it takes. Christ offers are far simpler and far more elegant solution.
>>545379435>Can you truly not comprehend how foolish this line of reasoning is?The Buddha never claimed to be a magical superhero who solves your problems while you sit there weak. He taught that even an ordinary person can build a mind so grounded and clean that spirits and dark energy simply have nothing to grab onto. I'm too weak to handle it, just hide behind some jew guys shield because....
>>545379567>Christ offers are far simpler and far more elegant solution.die like a goy and trust me bro?
>>545379857>>545380000Christ doesn't do that either. He gives you what you lack so that you can do it yourself and the authority of His name lets you command the spiritual forces arrayed against you. Also, that is literally what bhudda claimed and it's even what you claimed in your example of him.Do you see how I am addressing your question while all you do is dodge and pivot and change the subject? This is what I mean when I say you are a coward and you do not have the disposition.You literally ARE too weak, you will fail and be eaten alive by the spiritual forces you refuse to understand. You are prideful and ignorant and your hatred blinds you. Until you can 1v1 a necromancer or even directly answer a question,your words are without merit.I ask again. Do. You. Have. What. It. Takes?Do not deflect. Gird your loins like a man and let them stand. If you cannot even do this, how can you possibly perform bhumisparsha mudra correctly?
>>545380534Nobody owes you a theatrical performance to prove their worth. When you calm down and drop the dramatic roleplay, we can talk like adults.
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