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What a retarded decision. Why did Germans think this was a good idea?
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>>545376387
To exterminate parasites, when you see a cockroach roaming around you don't think for very long.
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>>545376387
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>>545376942
Wow, he is just like Trump with his retarded walls of text tweets nobody reads.
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>>545376898
that went very well for them
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>>545376387
well it worked out for them in ww1 maybe they thought second time gonna be the same
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>>545376387
They saw Russians get their bums fundled by the Finns and figured that rolling over them wouldn't be that hard.
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>>545377395
>well it worked out for them in ww1
It didn't
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>>545376387
It was a special military decommunisation operation to stop the genocide of ethnic Wolga Germans by genocidal communist. It lasted longer than planned but by 1990 it was successfully completed.
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>>545376387
Hitler was a crack head
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>>545377677
Idk why he even invaded Poland. That was such a low IQ move.
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>>545377805
Catching people off guard was his only succesful strategy. He betrayed everyone he had an agreement with. You can find quotes with him saying everything because he lied all the time. Once you look into him beyond watching "the greatest story never told" you find out that he was kind of shitty, he sucked at war and he brought on the ruin of his nation and tried to drag every german down with him
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>>545376898
ok, but why did he make a pact with said cockroach to split Poland together?
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>>545376387
Meth & 'tism.
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>>545378053
>because he lied all the time

Yeah, he was a chronic liar. But I think this was just because his racial theory was bullshit, so he had to lie to somehow cover the holes in it.

>British are peak Aryans, more so than Germans
>Actually, guys, I changed my mind, they are Jews

And he did this shit all the time.
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>>545376387
They had a deal with the Soviets. It was like splitting a cake for two.
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>>545378053
>Once you look into him beyond watching "the greatest story never told" you find out that he was kind of shitty, he sucked at war and he brought on the ruin of his nation and tried to drag every german down with him
Everybody knows aside from fringe retards that and the "right" would do good by ditching that nigger.
Anyways, in theory he could have maybe been a good option for the west, but not for Slavs.
Hitler was always butthurt at Slavs while worshiping France and Britain while it's those two that brought disaster upon Germany and not us.
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What did the Ukraine blow up today?
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>>545378221
>But I think this was just because his racial theory was bullshit
Back in the day people made such theories for breakfast and it was all bullshit.
Now we have genetic studies but people will still spout the old bullshit either because it's in their history books that haven't been updated yet, popular internet horseshit and so on.
My grandmother told me carrots are good for eyesight all my childhood despite me telling her it's wartime British propaganda.
So despite all the evidence to the contrary people here think Hitler sent Wehrmacht to build swimming pools for Slavs and jews for some reason - because defeated people play the victim to survive. It is a natural defense strategy.
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>>545378468
It is especially strange when they claim that Hitler loved slavs and considered them fellow aryans, when in reality he wrote in his own book that Slavs are a foreign race. People don't bother to check even source material.
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>>545378468
>So despite all the evidence to the contrary people here think Hitler sent Wehrmacht to build swimming pools for Slavs and jews for some reason - because defeated people play the victim to survive. It is a natural defense strategy.
Also, because Hitler was right about some things that means he was right about everything he ever said and he should be venerated like a holy man.
People hold nothing sacred these days in times of irreligiousness and lack of principles, so many people turn Hitler into some sort of a holy man who never made mistakes and everyone today should be judged on the fact whether he likes Hitler or not.
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>>545378589
>when in reality he wrote in his own book that Slavs are a foreign race. People don't bother to check even source material.
There are different source materials, but most people never read them anyways.
Some published editions of Mein Kampf redacted his anti-Slavic stuff because after WWII both Soviets and Americans pushed their own propaganda because they've each held piece of Germany and neither wanted to kill every last German.

You know, you gotta toss them a few bones. All these Germans needed a new place in post-war world. Some of these inaccuracies come because of that.
So in western editions of Mein Kampf the anti-communist struggle was emphasized, they took all the memoirs written after WWII by German generals as sacred and completely accurate so we now have at the same time people hating Germany for the Holocaust and their crimes while jerking off to any German WWII equipment and thinking 20 Russians died for 1 German.
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>>545376387
In nazi racial theories, they vieved USSR as an Africa or Native America tribe their country, the plan was that once they beat their army at the border during the first few weeks, the whole country would fall apart and Germans would march to the Urals almost unopposed
Kinda similar how Japan thought that the country with 20x stronger industry won't crush them because they are all gay and pacifists and will let them do whatever they want, a wishful thinking taken to an absolute extreme
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>>545377805
Becuz poopland sucks and isn't a real nation.
I can understand why he saw an opportunity to mop a failed colony off the maps.
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>>545378873
>Kinda similar how Japan thought that the country with 20x stronger industry won't crush them because they are all gay and pacifists and will let them do whatever they want, a wishful thinking taken to an absolute extreme
They did not think this lol, do you think those people were some immature children? Maybe you are hyperbolising it conciously but still.
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>>545379079
That was the goal, Japan didn't want to invade California and march to Washington, they were hoped that anti war public opinion would force the government to sign peace where Japan gets all the Asia for themselves
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>>545378846
I recognize you. You are one of the posters I actually enjoy reading here.
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>>545376387
>>545377091
Wisdom is foolishness to the wicked.
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Reminder that 4chins is banned in Russia
Therefore every russian flag is a vpn.

Which means they can use any flag = russian flags are indians/israelis.
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>>545376387
Because Hitler and a lot of his generals had no idea what they were doing. Hermann Goring basically pissed away the Luftwaffe trying to bomb the UK into submission so by the time it came to invading the Soviet's they had no real air force left.
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>>545376387
We're almost in year 5 of the special military operation.
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>>545377247
When you fail at something you need to try it even harder.
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>>545376387
To kill poor jews living in that land. Going further was pointless, because jews didn't live further away in the east. Lol lmao.
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>>545376387

It was retard decision indeed...they should have simply annihilate Leningrad and all its people and not tie troops to siege it.
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>>545376387
Germans were so superior militarily, they would actually have pulled it off if the Fuhrer, his inner circle, and a good chunk of the highest ranking Nazis weren't utterly and hopelessly compromised if not downright double agents
Time and again Hitler, under massive amounts of drugs from his personal physician (incidentally, a half-jewish mind control expert) managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with retarded directives
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>>545379346
Japan hoped to secure resources and lead a defensive war of attrition, securing the islands as supply bases and using long-range submarines so they can bring Americans to the negotiating table.
Some high officials considered it to be a vain hope but they needed the Indo-China and Malaysia otherwise Japan cannot secure it's position without supplies.

Americans were not in a war mood so this was not a stupid assumption. It was Pearl Harbour that shook them.
Japanese had intelligence presence and an idea of what Americans are up to more than vice versa.
Unless you've read more books on the Japanese-American spy warfare than I did (1).
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>>545380278
>Germans were so superior militarily, they would actually have pulled it off if the Fuhrer, his inner circle, and a good chunk of the highest ranking Nazis weren't utterly and hopelessly compromised if not downright double agents
And if USSR was not led by the retarded Georgian they'd occupy Germany by 1942 and border France at Alsace, under "what if X side was lucky" Germany was already very lucky up to 1941.
Might as well hope for Aliens to have landed in front of Reichstag and give them plasma weapons, come on.
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The actual reason is they underestimated russia's wartime capabilities, probably in part due to the results of the spanish civil war and partly because of ideology - russia still tried to do a communism and was actively doing revolts / wars in europe (see spanish civil war) to push communism.
The jump ahead for basically every country in this time period was so massive you were just guessing how capable your opponent was, with numerous more "advanced" countries crumbling instantly from new war doctrines and mechanization it was actually plausible to crack said country the same way they did like 10 of their neighbors.

Only Russia managed to modernize somewhat and had an unexpectedly strong industrial base.
>>545377805
The breadbasket of europe in a time where tractors and farming were making massive leaps forward.
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>>545380463
Nonsense, the USSR had neither the ambition nor the capability to invade Western Europe
>muh Icebreaker
Please just stfu
>Germany was already very lucky up to 1941.
There was no luck involved. They were lured into conquest and goaded into war, by the usual suspects
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>>545380633
>Nonsense, the USSR had neither the ambition nor the capability to invade Western Europe
Not in the short term for sure and long term only speculation, but I never said that, I mean that if USSR anticipated operation Barbarossa coming they'd not have almost their entire army destroyed. Instead they got caught pants down because Stalin was a retard.
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>>545377440
Germany defeated Russia in WWI.
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>>545376387
>Why did Germans think this was a good idea?

because as long as they were supplied well they had a 20:1 k/d against you - you only over came them when they ran out of oil and bullets
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Speak of the devil, like I said lol.
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>>545380793
> Stalin was a retard.
A useful idiot just like Hitler, with jewish confidantes, just like Hitler, making 'mistakes'; cohencidentally leading to the slaughter of millions of Europeans, just like Hitler
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>>545376387
Adolf Nigger was at war with judea and he had 5 million spare Aryan men, but instead of winning the war by invading Britain he blew them all in Ukranny genociding vatniks and babooshkas.

Retarded Krauts, we could be on Titan by now
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>>545377805
why did you?
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>>545376387
they were reliant on russian resources so for russia to beat then, all they'd have to do is build up their military forces to a size beyond what the nazis could handle, and then cut off trade with them.
The nazis had to strike russia before they got too strong. in their opinion.
The correct path to take would have been to ally with russia and literally adopt puesdo communism to please them and wait.
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>>545383336
Proofs for Stalin? US helping USSR by sponsoring factories and tech transfers they paid for is not proof that Stalin was dancing to the tune of some jew especially tune as psychotic as that.
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>>545383847
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Hitler was a deluded fuckwit.
Germans got off very lightly. The red army owed them nothing but total annihilation
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>>545376387
>Why did Germans think this was a good idea?
They were in dire need of fuel. No fuel = we lose without a fight. So they decided to do suicide run on USSR and lost big.
>>545378090
So he could backstab the backstabber and eat a shotgun barrel of uncle Stalin
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>>545384182
>They were in dire need of fuel. No fuel = we lose without a fight. So they decided to do suicide run on USSR and lost big.
Even a cursory glance at the cold hard facts would prove this nonsense wrong. That's how lazy you are, and how dumb for even speaking
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>>545377247

Dude, we have no room to talk. Do you feel like we are still winning? Do you feel like you WON that war? Fucking moron.
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>>545376387
Germany is the size of Texas. What made them think they could win?
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>>545385542
Japan is even smaller and defeated russia.
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>>545377677
>Hitler was a crack head
Agree.
>>545377805
>Idk why he even invaded Poland. That was such a low IQ move.
They thought that after a red color revolution of 1917, with German and british agents executing it.
>Marx is german, Engels is German,
>lenin spent 10 years in Switzerland training in color revolutions,
>and then got a secret german train to cross Germany and Poland into Russia
They thought that they now completely controlled the entire world .
In which case, they wanted to launch One World Government under their rule.

Funny thing happened , Russia and Stalin tricked them and went out of their control.
So, they had to find some fanatic (Hitler) , and finance and equip an army , and start their another world war against Russia.
>to take Russia back under their control
>into One world gov
In order to start a war against Russia, they needed an army directly on the Russian border.
>just like now with Ukraine.
So they agreed to split poland, so that their nazi armies land on the russian border.
Obviously they never meant to have any peace agreements.
This didn't work, they lost the war.
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>>545383336
Stalin was a paranoid retard who is the primary reason for such obscenely high losses on the Eastern Front, not to mention how he killed many capable officers during his purges, it wasn't "jooish confidantes", it was Stalin being Stalin
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>>545385773
No to everything you said.
Stalin Wasn't paranoid enough .
Should have started a war himself, by crossing the border and starting to destroy nazi army that was collecting at his border.
>pretty much like Putin did with Ukraine.
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>>545378053
>. He betrayed everyone he had an agreement with
True.. he gave hung*rians half of romania,wtf was that shit
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>>545376387
Basically hubris
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>>545376387
Well, it would have probably worked out fine without Americans and their lend-lease. If it was that close in reality, I think it's unfair to call it a retarded decision. It was a gamble that didn't pay off.
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>>545376387
Same as Napoleon: you can attack Russia when you are ready, or you can let Russia attack you when *they* are.
For Napoleon it was to prevent you from easily overtaking the occupation garrisons after France's armies got finally sent back home.
For Hitler it was because the burger-kikes where bankrolling you for the sole purpose of crushing the goyim uprising so same deal: no hope of good ending by just letting you be.

>lmao they got a bad ending anyway
1% chance for a good ending now is a better strategy than 0% chance for a good ending later.
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>>545385773
Well, how convenient for a tribe aiming to genocide millions of Europeans, to have such a retard opposing another such retard
> it wasn't "jooish confidantes"
But there was a jewish confidante nevertheless. Stalin's nr 2, trusted lieutenant, designated successor, favorite confidante and son-in-law's father until the very end; >>545383977
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>>545385773
>Stalin was a paranoid retard
Only wasn't paranoid when it came to trusting Hitler, imagine that, the whole army is unprepared because the chief retard was totally sure Hitler wouldn't open the 2nd front.
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same as the current russia ukraine war. goal was to make whites kill whites.
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>>545386217
Stalin wasn't pranaoid enough, agree.
He had to re-industrialize entire Russia, rebuild factories etc.
He knew the war with German nazis and the west was inevitable and was coming.
Had to start heavy industry and mass produce cars, trucks, engines, tanks, air planes, trains etc.
Too huge of an undertaking in 10 years or so.
So , while 100% russian spy agents were telling him that a massive nazi army is collecting at the russian border.
He needed a year or two of a peace for the mass production/ manufacturing to start working.
That's why he made a pact with the devil:
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>>545385895
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A couple of things to consider.
>the advances of the wehrmacht in the east are directly correlated to availability of fuel
>the german regime needed to invade to secure oil reserves
If they had more oil they probably could have pulled it off. Maybe.

I personally believe the "just take baku bro" narrative is misguided though. The amount of time it would have taken them to restart capacity, then find the resources to build the infrastructure to transport that capacity effectively. Just doesn't compute. Especially given that in a hypothetical where they start pumping loads of oil in baku in say 41 or 42, then the allies would just bomb it in 42 and 43, given they're already bombing romanian oil capacity in the same time period.

It was misguided with hindsight, but I think the genuine believe by Hitler was they could swipe oil and force a decisive victory. I think he severely miscalculated the ability of the soviet regime to hold together in the face of so many bad encirclements and losses in the early stages of the war. Maybe it was their propaganda, the state police, stalin or whatever you want to pin it on, but literally no other nation state at that time or since could endure such a degradation the was the USSR did in the early stsges of the war. Probably the only one that would have is the Nazis themselves, as shown by the desperate defence they held in the end.
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>>545376387
>What a retarded decision.
You don't know the half of it.
Before WW2, the USSR helped rebuild the German military (in exchange for technology) by giving them bases on Soviet soil.

"in the 1920s, several German secret schools, training and military research centers were opened in Russia. The government of the Weimar Republic spared no expense to maintain them, allocating up to 10 percent of the country’s military budget for the purpose annually." - https://www.russiabeyond.com/history/332746-how-ussr-helped-germany
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>>545386189
>Well, how convenient for a tribe aiming to genocide millions of Europeans, to have such a retard opposing another such retard
Because psychopathic retards have NEVER EVER ruled European countries right? Stalin for all the shit he's done basically decimated Jewry and their influence in the communist party and Russia, hell he coerced Kaganovich's brother to kill himself while the former did nothing about lmao, so much for being a Jewish stooge
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>>545386217
>Only wasn't paranoid when it came to trusting Hitler
He didn't trust Hitler(he trusted no one), he just didn't believe he'd attack before 1943 or so
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>>545386595
>I personally believe the "just take baku bro" narrative is misguided though.

This is one of the craziest things they had expected. There was Iran occupied by Britain right next to Baku. Even fi they did somehow capture it, they would just be bombing it into the ground each day. And it would have anyhow been a logistical nightmare to pump out oil, transport it all the way to Germany, refine into fuel and then transport all the way to the front. Sounds like a crazy plan.
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>>545376387
They wanted thing
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>>545386925
>. And it would have anyhow been a logistical nightmare to pump out oil, transport it all the way to Germany, refine into fuel and then transport all the way to the front. Sounds like a crazy plan.
Germans and logistics are 2 things that don't go together
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>>545376387
>Why did Germans think this was a good idea?
Hitler followed the orders of the vatican to destroy bolshevism. he was a jesuit stooge, Mein Kampf was written by a jesuit too.
ww2 was a war on russian orthodoxy and german protestantism.
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>>545386925
Since London WAS financing Hitler's army and was on hitler's side.
Before they switched around 1943-44, when Russia already won ww2, basically, technologically.
It may have been tricky, Iran may have staid under One World Gov brits+germans.
But regardless, this failed anyway .
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>>545387316
>Hitler followed the orders of the vatican to destroy bolshevism. he was a jesuit stooge, Mein Kampf was written by a jesuit too.
>ww2 was a war on russian orthodoxy and german protestantism.
This.
It was a war of one of the 100 Vatican and Vatican jesuits "wholly wars" for their god, the Satan.

>that's why I said above Stalin made a pact with the devil
>in order to save a few years to restart mass production and manufacturing.
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>>545376387
Bad intel
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>>545376387
>Why did Germans think this was a good idea?

The German military of WW2 is massively overrated by Wehraboos
They got high on their own supply because they had a few early victories with the Blitzkrieg meme and got insanely lucky with some morale shock surrenders. They were always doomed because their meme doctrine falls apart as soon as you have to attack a country over water (UK) or one that's large enough that they can fall back and fight attrition warfare rather than immediately surrendering (Russia)
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>>545387507
>It was a war of one of the 100 Vatican and Vatican jesuits "wholly wars" for their god, the Satan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
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>>545386925
Yeah ive heard cope that they brought some pipelines and equipment to restart production, but it wasn't enough to matter. Even if it wasn't bombed to the shit after starting up, they were struggling to make steel because of all the bombing, labour and other shortages. Yet they're going to pull hundreds of km of pipelines out of their ass, defend them and then expect the allies to not sabotage or bomb baku.

If baku was running under german control, they'd have special forces going in via the caspian to blow it up. Just one example of how risky maintaining that position would have been. I mean hell, the allies might have opened up a front on the iran border if he'd made it that far.
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>>545387507
also WW1 was a punishment by the jesuits on Germany for the Kulturkampf.
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>>545386736
>i fucking hate jews
>does everything jewish communists did
>allies the jews
>recieves nukes from the jews
>establishes israel
Ok tranny.
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>>545386813
Almost like Stalin had boatloads of intel saying Hitler would invade in 1941 but thought it was British planting evidence and their double agents in his spy network that wanted to bait him into the war.
It's pretty much impossible for Germany to amass millions of soldiers, construct infrastructure, conduct air recon and draw maps, supplying the army etc without the whole world noticing. Germans cannot bend laws of physics, Stalin was just an idiot.
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>>545387898
>I mean hell, the allies might have opened up a front on the iran border if he'd made it that far.

I don't see why not. Again, they had troops in Iran and their Indo-Pacific theater was not too far away either. Still my main point is that maintaining such an impossibly complicated logistical system amid a world war and widespread partisan activity would be next to impossible. The Baky plan was always a pie in the sky, from the very start. Not to mention that upon sensing they were going to lose Baku, Soviet troops would have just set the wells ablaze and Germans would occupy burning infrustructure.
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>>545388188
The Brits and the French had a plan to destroy your Baku oilfields in 1940 btw. In case you didn't know.
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>>545376387
It was a desperate move. And we all know how desperate moves end up 95% of the time.
Dude didn't have the logistics for a long war and he knew it.
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>>545386595
Great post
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Has anyone war gamed if Hitler honored his non aggression pacts and simply paid for things he wanted from the USSR?
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>>545388313
I did not know that.
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>>545387905
Stalin was a jew puppet that went fucking rogue and out of they control.
Hell, his brutal purgue of the (((old bolshevik))) guard was the only based thing he ever did.
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Also, smarter neonazis say that Germany could have won not by capturing Baku, but by destroying it (though nazis never planned for cutting off USSR from Baku, rather, capturing it? Geniuses). Because USSR was almost completely reliant on Baku.
Though it is unlikely that this would have changed the outcome of the war, only prolong it.
>>545388602
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike
Moscow, Berlin and London were dancing around each other up to 1941, Stalin thought the British were looking to bait him into the war (of course, they wished that but most of the time they were providing valid information that the Germans were planning something in the east).
British thought that Stalin is Hitler's ally.
Stalin wanted the "capitalists (Germany, Britain and others) to duke it out".
US had a lot better relations with you because IIRC the ambassador they sent to Russia was some insane closet communist who praised USSR to insane degree and said that every bit of negative rumours about Stalin or his shenanigans were lies.
Sometimes history played out the way it did because of some retarded naive ideologue diplomats whose intelligence was far lower than their responsibility.

US diplomats believed everything Japan told them and spent their time with geishas and expensive dinners which is why Japanese were able to completely fool them on Pearl Harbour and government trusted these officials more than "fearmongerers".
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They arent the smartest bunch
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>>545387905
>establishes israel
that was Bongistan thobeit
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>>545388853
>out of they control
>does everything jewish communists did
>allies the jews
>recieves nukes from the jews
>establishes israel
>>545389406
>It is a "paradoxical aspect of the Zionist miracle," wrote the historian Paul Johnson, "that "among the founding fathers of Israel was Joseph Stalin." Not only did the Soviet Union under Stalin vote for partition, and also recognize Israel, it had come out in favor of a Jewish state well before the United States. Moreover, it had held firm in that support both before and after the vote, and had indirectly assured that the newborn state would have the war materiel it desperately needed to defend itself.
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>>545388541
It was the Soviets that broke the pact.
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>>545389616
Israel had a female prime minister back then
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>>545389138
>US had a lot better relations

I think Roosevelt was quite a friend to USSR as well. Unlike Truman, he never really viewed Stalin as his archenemy and was ok with working together. No wonder is considered one of the best presidents the US ever had, if not THE best. He was genuinely a great mind.
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>>545376898
>>545376942
>>545377091
>>545377247
>>545377395
>>545377400
>>545377440
the soviets had amassed millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of tanks and airfields in offensive positions close to the german border
the war was a preventive war
thats why Germany captured millions of soviet soldies in the first months of the war and destroyed 30k soviet tanks
this entire board is nothing but kikes and brits under russian flags at this point
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>>545390595
Anon, by this time you should have realized this meme analysis holds no water in serious discussions. It may appeal either to the gullible or the biased, but that's about it.
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>>545390595
Yes, USSR's doctrine and the plan about what to do once Germany attacked was moronic and did result in operation Barbarossa.
The plan was a massive counterattack and bringing the fight on your territory instead of playing with space and delaying actions against your units.
However at that point they were not ready for war.
What happened is that as Germans caught many units pants down, some units mounted an offensive into Poland and sat in villages for some time before they realized that they're now in deep enemy territory and they won't get supplied.
USSR had no coherent plans for defense that made sense after they've taken lands under Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
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>>545387902
Don't be daft, WW1 was just anglos and their minions ganging up on Germany while their jewish puppet masters prepared the grounds for Israel, and WW2 was them finishing the job
>>545390595
Look it's muh Icebreaker again, the shittiest of hitlertard copes
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>>545390226
>Confiscates the gold of American citizens
>great
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>>545391812
are you that uneducated that you dont know that the royal families are related to one another and do the bidding of the papacy?
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>>545390743
>russian commienigger does commienigger things
Surprised nobaldi award.
>>545391812
Nothing about the icebre... Ah, its the nafri dutch commietrannyagain.
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>>545392047
>royal families do the bidding of the papacy
You don't actually believe this do you?
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>>545393375
maybe you should pay more attention to official royal and royal associated paraphernalia.
the next step should be to identify which order it belongs to and then tie it back historically on who it represents.
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>>545380154
The same logic that west of iron curtain there were no death camps. East of iron curtains aaaaaaah trillions of death camps!
I guess le evil nazis knew exactly where iron curtain would fall. Looked up in horoscope i guess.
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>>545393872
Could it possibly be that they built death camps in places where people they wanted to exterminate actually lived?
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>>545393872
>The same logic that west of iron curtain there were no death camps. East of iron curtains aaaaaaah trillions of death camps!
Curious how in Slavic countries nobody cares about jews despite millions of death camps.
So all USSR had to do was say there were so many and turn the pro-white based Anglo-Saxons into jew worshipping monkeys who then accepted mass immigration?
How does this work exactly.
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>>545393695
whats that on their neck?
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>>545390595
Retard, barbarossa was in development a whole year before Soviets started propping up forces near your border
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>>545393695
>>545394433
and why does the Kaiser wear it too?
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>>545376387
It could've been successful if they hadn't delayed the invasion to bail out the Italians and had concentrated on taking Moscow instead of trying a broad front strategy.
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>>545376387
It was the only way to save Europe, but as you can see it managed to save half of it.
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>>545393375
weird that they are all in the same club, the Royal Order of Malta, who were Crusaders for the Papacy.
I wonder who really gives them their orders to wage war.
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>>545380474
As usual, a valuable post with real information is completely ignored by the dozens of retards that live on this board now.
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>>545394497
>had concentrated on taking Moscow
I suggest you read about efforts of fortifying Moscow in anticipation of urban battle. It was more fortified than Stalingrad and it was also several times bigger than Stalingrad. But first you need to reach the city.
Also, north approach to the city is full of bogs, canals and generally shitty terrain.
They could never surround Moscow.
Terrain surrounding Stalingrad is a flat open steppe.
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>>545383847
Please shut the absolute FUCK up you fucking shill faggot retard, my God.
>LE PROOFS?!
fucking KILL YOURSELF!
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>>545394613
hmm, who do they answer to?
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>>545394984
Please, substantiate your claims to this chicken. Sadly, it is programmed to only accept Russia Today and Sputink articles.
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>>545393953
*sigh*
Pearls swine niggervodkavasjabljat.
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>>545378293
The right doesnt worship him because of his anti slavic stance, but because of his anti jewishness. Since jews have controlled us for a century or more, endorsing Hitler rebels against them, which is why its basically illegal
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>>545380474
According to speers memoirs the decision was made because germany was crucially dependent on romanian oil, which the ussr could knock out whenever it wanted with a surprise aerial attack from crimea.
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>>545394613
Really, this is your proof? European royalty wearing the Knights Hospitaller cross?
Look dumbass, those Knights had fuck all to do with the Vatican in modern times, they literally had an Orthodox Grandmaster in the early 19th c.
You better be fucking pretending to be retarded
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>>545395745
You do understand why Europeans have mixed feelings on the guy that ravaged through an entire continent that you as an American might not because the last time your homeland was at war where your personal lives were at risk was the civil war? Not that you are not a real person or a country because you did not suffer as much but you know, try to put yourself into our shoes. It's not only us, western countries have beef with the Germans and immigration doesn't really change that if they even have any face to save.
There is no reason to venerate Hitler because that is just gonna put off most people. You are not gonna get a Htiler voted in.
>inb4 voting is gay and all
Fine, but who says collapse of the system is coming which will cause civil war?
There is simply a possibility "you" (maybe us too, who knows) become Brazil 2.0 where nobody raises a finger.
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>>545395919
>the vatican crusader knights wear their identification of loyalty to the papacy but this doesnt mean they are vatican stooges
we reach levels of cope and denial that shouldnt be possible.
no, millions had to die because some schizo shot a royal member in serbia, has nothing to do with the protestant population of britain and germany and the orthodox of russia who are enemies of the papacy...
open your eyes goyim, its in your face who the devils henchmen are.
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>>545396066
Also, right propagates some form of European unity. But if you glorify Hitler you're gonna piss off Slavs. If you don't want any unity with us, rile the neonazis since they claim a Slav that doesn't worship Hitler is a kike.
If the "right" is stuck in WWII optics, it cannot feasibly win anywhere.
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Conclusion: Hitlerism is retarded, nationalsocialism is still great.

Heil Farwerck! Heil Wirth!
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>>545387902
>also WW1 was a punishment by the jesuits on Germany for the Kulturkampf.
Interesting .
Yeah, Vatican and jesuits are serving the Satan, 100%.
They are Dark mages using dark magic .
>using dark magic is only getting you THIS far, btw.

Slavs had historically white mages defending slavic territory / Tartaria.
Then the white mages lost to the dark mages, unfortunately.
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>>545396066
I understand why slavs dislike Hitler, I am just explaining why neonazis in America venerate him. We are quite literally run by Jews. Our entire conservative establishment is run by Jews and someone like Thomas Sewell endorsing Hitler or calling himself a Nazi is basically the most efficient way to avoid the Jews' constant attempts to take over rightwing movements and use them for their own ends, which they have been doing since they took over the republican party as the neocons and even before that since they ran movies, TV, and radio since the 1920s and every single "patriotic" piece of media you've seen since then has been made with their approval. For us, we have an existential crisis with the jews, although I think it's quite possible that Hitler did not.
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>>545392047
>>545393695
>the royal families are related to one another and do the bidding of the papacy?
This is correct.
Royal families serve the Vatican and they both serve Satan.
>dark forces.
Including btw House of Orange from Netherlands. >>545393375

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Orange-Nassau
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>>545376387
When Russia barely one the Winter War and had a bunch of shitty old tanks and planes the Germans thought they were weak and ripe for the picking.
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>>545396837
there are no white hats to save the day.
satan is the ruler of this world until Jesus returns.
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>>545396978
>>545397038
Yeah thought so. Muh Vatican is and always has been christcuck cope. Anything but naming the jew
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>>545397117
>Anything but naming the jew
where the fuck do you think the templars, jesuits and converso jews come in?
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>>545394613
>weird that they are all in the same club, the Royal Order of Malta, who were Crusaders for the Papacy.
This is CORRECT.
Knights of Malta are the old order of the Vatican.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_Malta

The Hospitallers became people who control hospitals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Hospitaller
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>>545397117
also look up the papal jews and court jews. ffs jews run the vatican bank, the Rothschilds.
its a big club and youre not in it. satan always larped as the good guy.
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>>545388313
The more you know.
>>545388188
Im fairly certain they already were cutting wells and removing equipment/workers after the land access was cutoff, in preparation for the germans taking it. They had a full contingency to destroy the productive wells too.
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>>545397038
>there are no white hats to save the day.
Yes there are.
>satan is the ruler of this world until Jesus returns.
Satan is a 3D figurehead placed here to wake up souls quicker.
He's a low level 3D negative entity.
There are a number of other low level dark entity parasites here as well.
The issue is that 1. we have Free Will here on the planet,
>you are free to do negative things here, including serving satan.
2. There are negative entities here who WERE NOT allowed.
>have no licenses to be here

Since they are not allowed, and they are currently parasites here. Some of them are currently being flushed.
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>>545397440
Rothschild is a british-german kings family banker.
And the banker of the Vatican and 15 other italian black nobility families.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_nobility
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>>545397586
no anon, stay with the biblical truth. satan is the supernatural ruler over this world. he simply gave the papacy his throne to act on his behalf on the world.
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Ivan, you're the one who's on day 1,713 of the 3-day Special Military Operation in Ukraine. Shut the fuck up.
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>>545397440
So? Vatican faggots haven't had any actual power for centuries you retard
It's jews all around. That's what you're running cover for, obviously
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>>545376387
It worked for a good long while in fairness.
Were it not for lend lease and pressure elsewhere the USSR might have collapsed, or been driven beyond the Urals as a rump state.
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>>545397787
Bible, unfortunately is not the truth. It has been written by very clever cultists,
the Vatican jesuits.
That's why the very first thing they push is as old as day manipulation tactics -
you have sinned.

God didn't give papacy the throne. Only the Satan-Yahveh could.
When someone pushes this trivial guilt tripping manipulation tactics, that's a cult.
There is no god there, only Satan.

Besides , you are 1) eternal, and 2) are the largest energy beings on the planet, and
3) copy of the creator.
And since the creator is your father, you can talk to the real god directly.
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>>545398213
>lend lease
Oh no, he said the words. Paragraphs incoming.
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>>545376387
They had to make a detour to coup Yugoslavia. That's what fucked them over. It's common knowledge.
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>>545398116
>Vatican faggots haven't had any actual power for centuries you retard
oh you gullible retard. the vatican controls the jews, who do you think is credited with the creation of the nation of Israel?
the Rothschilds.
who are the Rothschilds working for?
the Vatican.
this is exactly why they call us cattle, to dumb to add 1 and 1 together. the jews are a tool of the papacy to make it look good in the face of evil.
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>>545398262
anon, God is the steward of his word. its has the written Word and the Truth.
why do you think the papacy suppressed the bible so long? it condemns the papacy.

>Only the Satan-Yahveh could.
so you are a gnostic?
Yahweh is Jesus.
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>>545398356
'Common knowledge' in these matters is rarely true
In this case too, as the yugo walkover could never plausibly justify postponing an operation of Barbarossa's extent
Also of course, Barbarossa would never have started with the Blitz still ongoing
Its postponement until summer was simply one of many acts of sabotage, since the puppet masters had to walk a fine line between emboldening Germany to attack the USSR, yet making sure it would lose
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>>545398403
>. the vatican controls the jews
Sure thing, retard
>Rothschilds are working for the Vatican
LMAO
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>>545398709
so you rather stay naive and ignorant. got it. pearls before swine.
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>>545397586
>>545397787

>2. There are negative entities here who WERE NOT allowed.
>>have no licenses to be here
>Since they are not allowed, and they are currently parasites here. Some of them are currently being flushed.

For instance.
Planetary Schumann's resonance is being raised , and planetary temperatures are being raised.
>you see very hot temperatures

>there are Reptilian entities here.
>they love cold temps and hate hot temps since they are cold blooded.
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>>545398919
dont fall for red herrings.
the truth is simple.
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>>545398630
>yugo walkover
Bro, the war here lasted for 4 years. Italians and Germans never controlled Yugoslavia even with collaborators form Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia and Montenegro.
Map makers used to love portraying Germany and Italy controlling entire Europe but in truth they couldn't beat the partisans in their own neighborhood.
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>>545398569
Buddy, the Creator loves all his children .
>you , me, your neighbors, your coworkers, etc
>your enemies even
>even the Satan.
Satan is a fallen angel , but nevertheless he's also God's child.

Satan=Yahveh , the same entity created by the Vatican jesuits.
A real god would yell and scream at his own children, wouldn't select favourite group,
and wouldn't throw his children out
>from the garden of eden.

I am realist, I see that current Vatican is all satanists, they worship dying person spilling blood on a cross .
This is a dark ritual btw, similar to woodoo.
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>>545377091
You can cope all you want but your country is the single worse thing that ever happened to the world. Russian intelligence and bravery was removed from the gene pool under your new masters, who you subhumans defended fervently. Embarrassing history leading up to present day. Congrats on being scum.
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>>545399019
No, I simplified truth above.
The truth is more complex.
We have an INFORMATIONAL field everywhere.
Everything that is happened is recorded in this Informational field.
>basically a cloud backup.

You KNOW when things are true, because your Soul/ subconscious can connect to the truth field and scan if this stuff is there.

The Vatican jesuits and satanists are pushing fake egregores into this Informational field, to confuse you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore
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>>545399220
sure, the Jesus the roman church depicts is not the Jesus of the bible.
Jesus reigns heaven and earth from his throne, the blood he spilled on the cross once was for you so your sins are forgiven before a righteous God.
satan is not yahweh, and satan wont be forgiven.
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>>545399422
thats new age garbage that is pushed by the jesuits, dont fall for it.

>The Vatican jesuits and satanists are pushing fake egregores into this Informational field
then why do you believe in their creation and not in God?
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>>545399058
>the war here lasted for 4 years.
Irrelevant, when the regime change operation that supposedly delayed Barbarossa was over in a matter of days
Why even bring this up? You're only exposing yourself as a disingenuous retard
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>>545399489
That's how the modern day physics works. \
Modern day physics.
The Information can travel infinitely fast, physics proves it.

I am telling you that the Vatican jesuits have figured this one out a long time ago.
Since likely we built first pyramids, maybe in Egypt.
And then built another 100+ pyramids all over the planet.
>while pulling TECHNICAL information for it from the unknown sources.

So , Vatican jesuits know that you are the entity with the largest energy on the planet. That are copies of the creators, and are actual creators.

So, the satanists developed food poisons, dark rituals, frequencies etc.
In order to keep humans trapped and enslaved.
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>>545399833
ok, and what is your way out of that system?
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>>545399591
The regime change didn't last for days. It wasn't finalized until 1945. When the Šljivovica Coup happened, that was the beginning of the WW2, the civil war with several factions. Some of them still fought even after WW2 ended. Similar thing happened in Greece.
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>>545399833
>So, the satanists developed food poisons, dark rituals, frequencies etc.
We are highest authority in ourselves. External cannot hinder the internal. Empty fearmongering.
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>>545400011
None of that is relevant for the topic at hand you mindless dimwit, which was the yugo walkover insofar as it postponed Barbarossa
Anyway thats enough tard wrangling for the day
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>>545399926
Stop eating or drinking poisoned food and sugar.
Try to slow down.
Satanists want you to run around like crazy so that you don't have time .
No time for yourself means you can't slow down, sit down, and listen to internal voices.
>mostly God / the Creator talks to you INTERNALLY,
>you'd hear the correct directions INSIDE.
>you can call this directions from God
If you are running around/ stressed/ guilt tripped, no time for yourself.
You won't be able to hear god inside of you.
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>>545400230
>and listen to internal voices
>You won't be able to hear god inside of you.
thats not God you are talking to. you are still tapped in the satanic mind control system.
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>>545400056
Come over to USA and try food here , if you a real person and not a guy on VPN.
Food in US has been completely poisoned.
Sugar and corn syrup is everywhere.
You can't be poisoning youreslf and then wake up and hear what god would tell you ,
you need to fix your internal radio first.
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>>545399328
>a book citing 0 direct evidence on the main thesis (cause none exist) based on speculation
This is so /pol-like to post a half-assed source material that had its own author basically admit that he made it up
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>>545400402
all other schizo threads get autosaged. sorry.
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>>545400200
There was no resistance movement on the same level as we've had and it started as soon as Germany attacked USSR. The same day the Nazis attacked, partisans here have started to stab them in their backs. I'm not saying they were the main reason why the Nazis were defeated, but they were a real thorn in their shoes.
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>>545400364
You do know saints and enlightened people can eat poison and stay alive. You're never gonna be a great person just by eating normal food and you're not gonna be a bad person if you don't eat the best food.
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>>545400318
Let me try again.
You are a Soul, you are not a body.
As a Soul , you are eternal. When body dies , your soul goes into a non-material world,
processes its experience here ,
and then decides , more experience, so it reincarnates here again .

When your soul reincarnates here, it has it's own experiences that it decided to receive here, in this heavy 3D world.

Your Soul/ Subconscious connects to an Informational / truth field. That's how you "sense that something is true or not".
You need to stop relying on your mind, and start relying on your feelings.
Listen to yourself .
Your ego may be very very confused and aggressive first.
Then once you stop your ego, your matrix programs, and your brain from reacting,
then you will start receiving Clarity and Quietness.
And then you'll hear stuff internally, what is your purpose here, etc.
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>>545376387
They didn't think that at all. They spent over a decade desperately trying to avoid war. Dumbfuck. If Hitler wasn't such a nice guy, suing for peace all the time, you wouldn't have endured holodomor. Ukraine wouldn't be a thing. Russia would have held its lead in the space race. Every single aspect of your life would be infinitely better.
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>>545400614
Yeah you see that's the problem with you slavniggers, and always will be. Like actual niggers, you cannot transcend your own emotions to get at truth. You don't care about discussing the starting date of Barbarossa. You want to make a point about muh partisans, which is completely unrelated. Thus you are completely in thrall to your little ego driven emotions, like a woman, or a nigger.
This is exactly why, on a genetic level as much as cultural and economic, you always will be niggerish compared to us
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>>545400768
>You do know saints and enlightened people can eat poison and stay alive.
No they can't.
You are in a 3D world here. This 3D world is very heavy 3D.
You are in a 3D body. Your current 3D body is a Lamborghini, and you are feeding it ass poor gasoline .
You are going to feed it, and feed it well.
Figure it out.
Before your body will return back to a race car state.
>otherwise it'll stay Yugo.

BTW I am going to tell you......Your body is a dual engine.
It's using food and electricity as energy.
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>>545400776
>As a Soul , you are eternal.
no you are not. that catholic teaching.
Jesus talks about the death of the soul.
> When body dies , your soul goes into a non-material world
again, catholic teaching. you dont go into some other world.
either you are resurrected to life or the second death.
>and then decides , more experience, so it reincarnates here again .
thats new age eastern mysticism which is pagan.
>That's how you "sense that something is true or not".
you dont sense anything, that your subconscience.
>You need to stop relying on your mind, and start relying on your feelings.
new age eastern mysticism, dont think just follow your emotions. this is how you perish.
>And then you'll hear stuff internally, what is your purpose here, etc.
and who do you think is talking to you? do you not know that satan comes to you as a friend?
he didnt appear as a demon to Adam and Eve, but a shining light.
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>>545379665
OH that's a good sayin'. I'll adopt that.
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>>545400876
You sound jealous because your country fell in just 5 days. Next time don't try fighting world wars using bicycles.
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>>545377805
Do you honestly not know? Are your schools like ours - teaching that Hitler was actually Satan Himself and did everything For No Reason because he's a Giant Poopyhead?

Germany didn't invade Poland, Bolshiveks did. They'd already murdered tens of thousands of ethnic Germans in Poland and planned to genocide several more tribes throughout Eastern Europe (which they succeeded in doing in the end.) The entire war was defensive.

Russia, America, and England were absolutely the "bad guys." You should be ashamed of the history, not proud.
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>>545401056
The catholics are from the Vatican, and they removed every mention of reincarnations from anywhere.
They want you to be scared, and to manipulate you via scare tactics and guilt tripping.
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>>545378589
>Its especially strange when shit that never happens happens.
You're retarded, stop making shit up. Nobody says Hitler liked the people he said annoyed him. You act like because you're illiterate that everyone else is ALSO illiterate. No, Ivan, you're just a drunken fool.
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>>545401391
Reincarnation is not a good thing. The religions that believe in reincarnation explicitly want to escape the cycle of reincarnation. We get one chance in life to earn our place in Heaven, most go to Purgatory then ascend after who knows how long. Much better deal than reincarnating and living a million lifetimes if you ask me.
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>>545401391
no, they want you to bow to the papal authority who claims it can forgive sins.
Jesus already died for your sins and it is though faith in him that we are forgiven and receive the resurrection of life.
reincarnation and eternal soul are the creation of satan, its what kabbalistic jews believe in.
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>>545401530
>most go to Purgatory
purgatory is not real. its a satanic teaching. either you receive life or judgement in fire. no inbetween where you come out somehow.
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>>545379079
>do you think those people were some immature children?
Yes. If you notice, anyone who takes the Israeli education system at face value and never questions IS IN FACT an immature child. And one quality of immature children is the inability to see facts, logic, or maturity when it bites them in the ass. To them, EVERYONE is an immature child.
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>>545379676
Oh thanks, didn't know that fren.
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>>545401615
Purgatory is the default. What would you have? Half the souls going to Hell? With Purgatory you suffer through some tough lessons before being purged of your sins. Without it you go straight to Hell, and that's cruel. Hell is for the irredeemable. Most souls are redeemable, if not in this life, then they are in the afterlife. Besides, not having a place in between would dilute the success of entering Heaven.
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>>545401549
>, they want you to bow to the papal authority who claims it can forgive sins.
True .
The Vatican jesuits also control casinos / gambling.
Selling alcohol and cigarettes .
Selling illegal drugs, etc. to fund themselves.
And hide free energy generators, keeping us energy slaves basically.
Besides using dark magic stuff. They are Satanists, no doubt about it.
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>>545376898
typical projection
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>>545401530
Reincarnation of the Soul makes YOU ETERNAL. Think about it again.
When your body dies, your soul leaves, then reincarnates into another body.
This makes YOU ETERNAL.
Why do you think all cults hate reincarnation??
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>>545400402
Because you posted schizo idiocy as the OP, retarded fucking faggot jew.
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>>545401820
entering heaven isnt success, its a free gift offered to us.
there isnt some place once you die for you to learn some lesson, either you are in Christ in this life or you are not.
the wheat and the tares, the goats and the sheep. its clear cut. dont believe in fairy tales.

>>545401952
so why do you refuse to offer your life to Jesus Christ?
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>>545390595
Lmao
no
those troops where in newly occupied Poland and building defences, you don't prepare for invasion by demobilizing your troops and spreading them thinly over a border
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>>545377400
Finns got wrecked and lost a bunch of land
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>>545401530
>most go to Purgatory
The Vatican jesuits demoralization/ scare tactics.
Let's put it this way.
there are 27 levels.
Level 1 is purgatory , so to speak.
You get there if you were a literal evil fck here -
raped , killed, mass murdered, created wars, etc.
Other than that we are on a Free Will planet, where both (+) and (-) are allowed.
>you can go kill some evil 3D avatars in this video game for instance.
If your soul understands what is good and evil here, there's absolutely 0 reason for purgatory.
>other than vatican jesuits guilt trip/ demoralization tactics.
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>>545378293
Hitler hated the French more than anyone, have you read his shitty book?
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>>545378221
>>British are peak Aryans, more so than Germans
>>Actually, guys, I changed my mind, they are Jews
This is a perfectly reasonable process that many people go through
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>>545378873
Retarded comment, they didn't think this and Japs knew it would lose a prolonged war with the USA
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>>545402118
I am a server admin, sent by the Creator,
who's related to jesus christ.
i am here to wake you up from brainwashing, by the jesuits and the matrix.
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>>545402080
Earthly life is a test, it's not a reward onto itself. You're supposed to live according to God's plan for you and then join Him. Afterlife lasts FOREVER, there is no violence, sex, competition or jealousy in Heaven. Living world is the world of temptation and sin. You're only physically alive for the 1% of your existence.
>>545402118
Heaven cannot possibly be free by virtue of being Christian. It has a very long waiting list and it's not like in the Simpsons where dead guys just stand in line. In Purgatory those who have not rejected earthly sins can follow Christ in suffering in order to allow themselves to ascend and it happens only once a year ON NOVEMBER 2ND!
>>545402342
Jesuits are the best thing that ever happened to 16th century Church. They're the sword of Christ stopping the heretics all over the world by using their own devilish tactics against them.
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>>545376387
Autism.
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>>545376387
He needed oil and also seemed to legitimately believe the USSR would collapse after "kicking the door down" due to his views on Bolshevism being degenerate jew stuff. Similar to how he discounted the significance of declaring war on America because views on capitalism being degenerate jew stuff.

Probably kinda high from beating France so easily.
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>>545402695
I am long out of it.
you are still trapped in it and its lies.

>>545402834
its is free by being in Christ.
once youre in the kingdom you are in for good.
there is no seperate purgatory, its a catholic lie to make money off the gullible. you cant buy yourself into heaven.
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>>545382119
yes they killed lots of civilians, once you remove them, and include the other axis forces there, it's more 1 to 1.3 and not enough
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>>545376387
Phantom timelines. In our timeline, the Japs never fully invaded Siberia thus not giving Hitler the full support needed to conquer the USSR. Had they committed, the USSr would've collapsed which explains why he invaded them.
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Hitler wasn't crazy. He knew what he was doing. His allies let him down.
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>>545402957
You don't bribe your way out of Purgatory in Catholicism. There was a long-standing corruption in the Medieval Church, but those practices have been purged in Council of Trident.
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>>545376387
High on Meth you think you are unstoppable.
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>>545402834
>You're supposed to live according to God's plan for you and then join Him.
Sort of correct.
You are on a Free Will planet, where you are the creators.
Both (+) and (-) games are allowed here.
That's why the above,
>. Living world is the world of temptation and sin.
There's really no such thing as sin .
If you are referring to sex, God created your body with 2 sexes, and designed to have sex and procreate.

The Vatican jesuit satanists made it into a largest guilt-tripping manipulation ever, calling it a sin.
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>>545403119
>but those practices have been purged in Council of Trident
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>>545384175
>Germans got off very lightly
If Hitler didn't hold back his army maybe that would've happened had they been allowed to develop all their weapon tech. Something has never sat right with me in regards to world war 2. Feels like time travellers messed with the timeline.
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>>545398356
Sure, let's invade Russia in April
Stupid retard
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>>545399058
Yugoslavia collapsed in six days
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>>545388184
It's very possible for them to do that, look at operation Uranus where the soviet's did essentially the same thing and am masses two armies while Germans where fighting over Stalingrad
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>>545403319
Yes. And then the real fun began. We had NDH in cold war against Germany and Italy while being nominally on their side, the Četniks who had many factions ranging from restoration of Yugoslavia to making Greater Serbia without the others, and Partisans who won and recreated Yugoslavia, but with Istria. There were also minor factions like German minority, the Bosnian Muslims, Montenegrins, Albanians...
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>>545376387
People really like to reevaluate WW2 through the lens of it being this great struggle but it really was never close. The Germans did have a good opening run, but they were never going to defeat Britain Empire even if the USSR and US never entered the war. They may have eventually sued for peace with them, but they gave up planning an invasion of Britain very early.

The initial invasion of USSR was impressive, but it was in hindsight over when they failed to reach Moscow before the winter and allowed the Red Army to reconstitute and bring reserves from the East. It was definitively over to contemporaries after Stalingrad. When the US got involved, it was obvious it was not only over but would be over quickly. The Germans surrendered less than a year after D-Day.

The Russo-Ukraine war has been going on longer than WW2.
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>>545376387
They thought japan would invade from Siberia cutting off LEndlase in the process.
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>>545385947
He knew his history. The jews harshly punished Hungary after the first world war. He was undoing the jewery. A Romanian is the last one to call anyone out for betrayal. Switched sides before the Bolsheviks had even entered Romania, they'd only taken Moldova at the time
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>>545403467
>then the real fun began
> Germany: 19,235 killed
> Italy: 9,065 killed

> Partisans: 245,549 killed
> 514,000 civilians killed

Damn, you Slavs got steamrolled worse than Iraq in 2003, and by Germans on their seventh front and Italians, of all people, nonetheless.
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>>545390595
>the war was a preventive war
Then why was Stalin in shock for days that Germany invaded after they just signed a 10 year non aggression pact?

Stalin must have thought hitler was insane for sending 3 million Men at him instead of 1 at Egypt.
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>>545403198
There is no sex in Heaven. There is no procreation. Those are earthly activities. There are no urges in the afterlife because you stop being human. Free will is not a positive thing and it inevitably leads to sin and sin is simply defiance to God's law and plan for you.
>>545403858
That's because Germans and Italians used proxies to wage war for them. Germans and Italians were occupational forces meant to keep their 'allies' on a short leash.
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>>545404014
> Christian God
6 million jews were murdered in the holocaust. One of the architects of the killing of jews was Adolf Eichmann. He was caught by Israeli forces hiding using a second identity in Argentina. He was put on trial and sentenced to death but before he was put to death, he accepted Jesus christ as his savior. According to the teachings of many branches of Christianity, eichmann went to heaven to be with God but the millions of jews he oversaw the murder of are currently burning in hell for eternity.
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Well when you conquer france and the rest of western Europe, invading and conquering a land of asiatic subhumans doesnt seem like such a bad idea, i guess it was just bad luck... still exterminated a shitload of them tho
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>>545403858
90% of those partisans where prob civilians, Germans are shit at war and Italians even worse, look at the civilians they killed in the ussr
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>>545404129
That problem stems from Arianism, the earliest heretical cult where all your sins get absolved once you accept Jesus, that's what emperor Constantine did. I don't think mass murderers qualify for Purgatory, let alone Heaven. There's accepting Christ and then there's pretending to be accepting Christ in fear. There certainly is a point of no return. That's why we have 7 cardinal sins.
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>>545404443
Your semitic fairytales aren't real
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>>545404352
>believing russian civilian casualty estimates
and I'm sure you believe Ukraine has killed 30k civilians in the rus ukr war, Ivan
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>>545376387
It’s German humor, you wouldn’t get it
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>>545404741
You trust them when it's time to make fun of them for the Winter War but don't trust them when it doesn't suit you.
Where do you think their casaulties for winter war come from, London or Berlin, retard?
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>>545376387
Internal pressure.
Too much land (about 92-95%) was in the hand of mostly the aristocrats (around 2%)
So Hitler had two options.
Land reform or give the havenots land by taking it away from someone else.
Guess which the fascist considered to be the easier option. Also the same people who thought like this are still in charge of Germany till this day.
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>>545376387
they thought russgolia would grow too powerful while germany weakens fighting the allies across europe. if only they realized ruskis can't fight an offensive war to save your lives. unfortunately one can't predict the future.
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>>545404741
>nooo!!! you can't believe the numbers that don't support my point!!!
kek
are any numbers real?
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>>545405020
>ruskis can't fight an offensive war to save your lives
>loses to ruskis fighting a offensive war
Uh huh...
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>>545376387
Because the Soviets were planning to team up with the Brits to destroy Germany. Rather than wait to fight the Soviets after they modernized their army, Hitler's only chance was to initiate a preemptive attack. Jewry was the mortar which bound the US, Brits and Soviets together. There was zero chance of global jewry not mobilizing their forces to punish Germany for kicking jews out. What became of the US and Britain after "winning" the war proves that Hitler was justified in fighting. Russia is fortunate that jewry eventually abandoned ship there. Interesting how when jews abandon your country, they marshall their other golems to harass you. Russia is now in the same position as Germany prior to WW2 but thankfully, the US is decrepit husk of what it used to be.
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>>545404874
Is that what Jews teach in German schools? Sad state of affairs. Try reading what your ancestors said about themselves, instead of what contemporary (genocidal) Israelis say about it.
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>>545406172
No, the Jews at school teach Hitler did this, because he was evil.
This is all self-analyzed, taking into consideration the various circumstances. Hitler was put in power by a mass movement. Land issue was among them, and Hitler was not going to bite the hand off that fed him. A lot of aristocrats and industialists backed the fascist party.
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>>545406334
Your take isn't reflected in a single document. Tens of thousands of Germans being murdered by Bolsheveks started the war. Millions being murdered by them ended it. Do you think Israelis were good people who were booted from 100's of nations for being so nice? That Germans ALSO broke thousands of years of precedent and magically became mean idiots? Please.
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>>545406638
>Your take isn't reflected in a single document
But it is. In quite a lot of documents.
But yeah, discussing it with people who have a single issue obsession is a time waster.
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>>545407039
Please, link or post one, I'd love to add to my knowledge of the subject.
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>>545376387
the way they mowed down russians up until december, no other prior country in history would have been able to withstand that

should have made it a limited war for liberation and get buffers bw soviets and germans, and still not lose all the oil in the process
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>>545403470
I'm not sure thats a fair assessment.
If malta fell and operations in the Mediterranean became untenable, we don't know how north africa plays out. The worst case is the suez falls, the best case is they are able to extract Rommels Afrika Korps to fight elsewhere. Things where pretty tight in 41 and 42. I don't subscribe to these meme ideas like "just do x and germany wins" but if the med goes a bit different, greece plays out a bit different and the soviets actually capitulate, it's difficult to say with certainty that D Day can be pulled off in the same manner if they have a fully stocked atlantic wall with all the armour and men that were tied up in the east. They abandoned millions of litres of fuel in NA, while they struggled to keep their armoured divisions fueled up elsewhere.
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>>545377677
dats rite, hitler was born shaneekwa jenkins dey finna erasing us history
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>>545380278
the exact opposite. the prussian general core was compromised, canaris was an evil christ cuck fucking a russian spy actively subverting german efforts (even preventing winter supplies from arriving on time), generals were disobedient ad hindered hitlers plan which was to hit the caucaus instead of moscow and failed to heed his orders to capture russian rails. basically he needed his own purge like stalin did but was not so ruthless.

even despite all this germany still would have knocked out moscow if winter had not come early
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>>545408143
Little did the Germans understand... The Bolsheviks in charge WANTED all the Russian soldiers to die.



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