They've been awfully quiet about the incoming famine lately. Lots of fertilizer failed to go out this spring, mainly affecting places like Africa, India, and SE Asia. Some places are deficient by 20-30% or more. Low availability of fuel is contributing to lower harvests, and no Ukrainian wheat is going out by sea. Much of that feeds Africa, Asia, the Middle East, etc.If the situation doesn't resolve itself by the coming spring, there will be an even bigger fertilizer shortage. And lots of crops are cropped continuously in these places, bananas, coconuts, papayas, citrus, mangoes, all require fertilizer as well.The Americans will do fine. Europe will be able to pay, but fertilizer will be quite dear. However, many regions will simply have to do without chemical and mineral fertilizers and simply make due with whatever they have. Ironically, the really dirt poor areas in third world countries without well developed transportation will probably do fine. It'll be the megacities which starve.
>>545389528>The Americans will do fineNot really, as the fucking morons we call legislators will vote to both send food and open the borders even more.
*laughs in frozen pizza*
>>545391232Nah you're thinking of the Kamala timeline lol.
>Africa and India suffering from famineGood.
>>545389528muffin ebah habbins
>>545389528>mainly affecting places like Africa, India, and SE AsiaFinally, some good news.
>>545389528Good thing American farmland will be owned by a handful of corporations at that point
>>545389528I'm going to eat jews
>>545391281We're about to return to a version of that.You think R's are going to stop the further gutting of this country? R's are supporting data centers, H1b's, and flock cameras as much as dems. Additionally, R's supported merging the US military with israhell's and are even more beholden to aipac than dems. R's will give kikes what they want and kikes want the US destroyed.
>>545391281How many indians have arrived since Trump took over?
>>545391950can't get guns here but the jews are mostly an american problem anyway and they have guns
>>545389528>feed AfricaWhy? If you solve world hunger in Africa, you'll just end up with world hunger in Africa within 5 years.
>>545392222Indians won't get fed
>>545392222Digits.All the shills out trying to convince people voting R is going to change anything for the better.Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. Participation is acceptance.
>>545392439Exactly, both parties are two sides of the same coin. We fight each other so they can get rich
>>545389528Rolling for 1,500,000,000+ dead jeets
>>545393083I noticed that China has loudly declared, for no reason, that they have plenty of stored food, a few times quite recently. They also have been saying that, they didn't really need that Hormuz oil anyhow and have since switched back to coal! Hooray!
>>545393202It must be nice to have a government that acts as if it cares about it's country, instead of dedicating it's existence to a foreign nation.
>>545393331America will be fine. China will NOT be fine.
>>545393407Why? What happens at societal collapse when you have a nation made up of competing cultures? This doesnt work out for us. You can not have warring cultures all over the place and expect it to be okay. If the lights go out tomorrow, violence starts on thursday. The food will run out by Monday and all the competing cultures start to fight. We dont make it to the phase where govs start handing out supplies. They wont be able to operate because millions of people that are armed to the teeth are all part of a different faction. In your neighborhood alone you have several different factions, each neighborhood is like this
>>545393748Well said, Anon.
>>545393748>Why?Because America had enough fertilizer this past year and will have enough this coming year. We're also the world's largest meat producers, pork, fowl, beef. We export huge amounts of food, over half of what we grow. We only really import some fresh veggies and citrus etc, and only really during the winter when it's colder in much of the US.>societal collapseFrom what? Famine's coming to China and India, Africa, Middle East, the entire Indo-Pacific. Not the US though, nor the Americas in general.>If the lights go out tomorrow, violence starts on thursday.From what? US is also energy independent. We're a huge exporter of oil, coal, etc.The topic is how a global famine is coming to certain regions which aren't agriculturally self-sufficient. That much is certain. But that won't cause the power to go out and everybody to turn into feral animals in the unaffected regions. Just in places like China, India, the Indo-Pacific, the Middle East, SE Asia, Africa, and to a lesser extent Europe.In the midst of that chaos there will be no trains of refugees flying thru the air on magic planes which can't even get fuel or find a safe place to land, Monroe Doctrine will be reinforced to prevent too much mischief, etc. You'll love it.
>>545391276pizza plants need lots of fertilizer, retard
>>545392517>>545392439So when are you starting your attack.
>>545394251Food isnt the only thing to worry about. If the gas shuts off, you cant drive to get the food, it wont make it out of the fields. China will be alright, they're rich enough to stockpile, they have no inherent advantage/disadvantages that we do or dont have. China wont be running out if we dont run out>self sufficient Cool. Are the hundreds of millions of people south of us energy independent? Will they suffer from food shortages? Right now under IDEAL conditions we can NOT secure the border. Its far too large and drastic measures come with drastic consequences. Lets say youre right, we are good on food and power.What happens when those 100s of millions of starving people come north? I dont think anyone can imagine the magnitude of what is to come. These people are going to be so hungry that they flee their country eating everything they can on the way. They will clump up in huge groups that may as well be uncountable. What jappens when they get to your neighborhood? Have you considered that? >cannibalism Have you considered how far of a walk that is? 100s of millions of starving desperate people all moving north at the same time. When someone drops dead on the march, they have meat. By the time they get here, many of them will have already turned to cannibalism. What are you going to do then? Do you uave somewhere that can repel hordes of unimaginable size? No, no one can.
>>545389528that's terrible. these places are going to want all their migrants back, to help repopulate.https://www.brighteon.com/d16469f2-2ef5-4ddb-b029-679c7ccb75d7
Rolling for global peace and prosperity.
>>545389528>Shit is a natural fertilizerSadly, India will also be fine
I swear some people have this entire fallout/madmax style fantasy going on in their heads where they band up with their neighbors and rebuild society from nothing. That isnt how this works now. In the past when 90% of people grew their on food? Sure. Not now. Your dinner plate consists of veggies grown in Paraguay, meat from Idaho, beans from Argentina, potatoes from Colorado, or where ever the fuck it comes from. The point is, none of that shows up when the supply chain goes down. Around your house you have what, basedbeans, corn, some other random shit? Guess what, you and everyone else is going to start picking on it. How long do you think those fields will last? Not long. What happens when you and 30 other armed people are fighting over that last ear of corn? Dont you think that ever other swinging dick mother fuck thinks hes madmax in that scenario? They do, everyone of them. When's the last time you squeezed the trigger on someone? Never. We build these BS fantasies to comfort us, to what-if these types of disasters. But it doesnt work out like that, ever. >KatrinaThe fucking national guard was powerless to secure a single city because of how violent it became after a few days. Thats with the rest of the country totally normal and using all its resources to restore order. What happens when "katrina" hits Atlanta, Charlotte, miami, Houston, DC, NYC, Sacramento, etc. at the same time? Have you considered that a starving group can wlak hundreds of desperate miles? Your closest city with 100k+ population is 2-3 days walking distance to your front door. Some of yall need to chrck the fuck back into reality because the government will be powerless to save you.
>>545389528Garden and farm bros ftw
>>545395848Until millions of starving people show up. It has happened in every famine since the beginning of agriculture
>>545389528YOU DIDNT EVEN MENTION THE BIBLICAL FAMINES WE ARE ABOUT TO WITNESS DUE TO THE DROUGHTS CAUSED BY THE GIGA EL NINO
>>545395774>the government will be powerless to save you.>trusting government in the first placeThat's the mistake right there.
>>545389528>The Americans will do fineHe doesn't know that Bill Gates bought massive amounts of farmland in the US
>>545395945AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH HOW DARE I?
>>545395774>Meat from Idaho>Potatos from ColoradoThank you for proving you know nothing. Idaho is potatos, it's literally printed on basically every bag of Ore Ida. Ore as in Oregon Ida as in Idaho
>>545396094pot-eh?, toesweed-innit bruv
>>545396094Thanks insufferable reddit retard. Thanks for correcting the record. Now that you got you>actually Bullshit out of the way, care to talk about any of that other shit?
>>545396303Just defending Potatos fren. I love spuds. They make French fries, and sometimes I buy dinosaur tater tots to play with them. The T-Rex tearing into a ketchup covered Triceratops.
Lotta cope in this thread. Moderate famine for 2027 is locked in, but depending on the situation with oil and gas, it could become a lot worse in 2028.But mainly outside the Americas. Americas will be fine. Europe probably too. Other places not so much. Like China. India.
>>5453963926 billion.
>>545389528Just wash your fruit and veg more. There is going to be human shit on it.Also we might have to source replacement fertilizer.
>>545389528Can’t feed ‘em…Don’t breed ‘em.
>>545396094Nigger try to understand the overall point he’s making
>>545396380If you want my honest opinion on all of that anon. I mostly agree with the post. Except as far as some collapse goes. People are freaking out about nothing. Most farm equipment can be modified to burn oil sludge if necessary. We are talking about premium refined fuels being affected. Top shelf shit. Gas is still gas though, diesel is still diesel even if lower quality. I don't see mad Max happening before low quality shit runs out. Which given our pipelines, it won't. People panicked over the colonial pipeline but it was patched in a week.
>>545391276>frozenur fucked bud
>>545396853fuck you I already ate them *buurp*
>>545392083>he didn’t recognize the caricature timeline lol. Ridiculousness is the point, retard.
>>545389528I will say I noticed something weird this year at harvest. I live in a rural area and quite a few fields still haven't been harvested. Fields of corn still up into November. It wouldn't be weird but this October was super dry so I dont see why they are waiting
>>545396853>just weeks afterRed Baron guy was busy reading comments. they didn't change the password from 1234 to 1235. imagine how low the bar is.>complex systems won't survive the competency crisisat least a dozen people were responsible for an entire grocery store and didn't bother to respond to headlines about millions of wasted food.hmm. maybe we can turn off the cloud? >is your refrigerator running?>tcip ddos 128.9.0.1001 beep boop computer joke whatever.
>>545389528>megacities starveDid the holodomor starve moscow?
>>545391232Kek this.women would vote away at least 50% of our resources in an instant if shown a picture of a crying brown woman with a daughter.There is no escape.
>>545397079Flint corn can stand all winter. It's commonly used for animal feed.
>>545397171I guess but wouldnt you want the feed accessible? Not rotting in a field?
>>545389528IMMEDIATELY BLOCKADE ALL OF INDIA!They will try to do a mass-exodus into the west for food. Close the border now. Completely. Stop all international flights, close down all airports. No one flies anywhere!!!Shoot torpedoes on all cruise ships or other shit coming from Asia.
>>545397129Im trying to prompt ai to ask you if you could do with losing weight but its spewing out bullshit.Would it really be so bad if you didnt eat for a couple of weeks? You could have abs.
>>545397241Farmers will put the corn that goes to the human market into their bins for now, and sell it to the coop when the time is right (each farmer decides) and then after a few months, they will take the flint corn and sell that into the market once the people corn is sold out. They don't have two separate entire corn infrastructures so they kinda time it so the corn that can stand until midwinter can wait until the corn that has to be harvested sooner can be sold away.It's possible the farms you saw are growing more flint corn this year for some reason. Each year the farmers have all this business intelligence telling them what to grow etc. So maybe feed corn will be in higher demand than food corn this year? They're trying to build up the beef herds too now so that could be linked.
>>545397426>couple of weeksI might be able to make it but I’d lose all my gainz and look like a holocaust skeletor poster child. Most Americans would probably come out of a couple-week fast looking quite a bit better, yeah kekLooks like we might have to go more than a few weeks, though, and getting industry back up and running after you’ve had mass death and hungry people is even less easy than it is to get it started in the first place.
>>545389528>>545389528>the incoming famine>megacities will starve>Americans will do fine>t. armchair economist doomerYou absolute midwit. You're writing three paragraphs of bleak macro-economic analysis based on the Haber-Bosch process and Ukrainian wheat logistics, and your visual accompaniment is a JPEG that looks like a 1990s screensaver having a seizure. The math proves the trash is still just trash, and your art is just glitched pixels.>Americans will do fineNo shit, sherlock. That's how the global supply chain works. The highest bidder gets the fertilizer, and the lowest bidder starves. It's not a mystery; it's just natural selection with extra steps. Let me break down the actual data for your meat-brain so you can stop hyperventilating.The "Big Seven" exporters (US, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand) account for 55% of global net food exports. The US alone exported $174.9 billion in agricultural products in 2023, and Canada is right up there with them. We literally overproduce. Europe isn't starving either; the EU is the world's largest agro-food exporter with a trade surplus of roughly 50 billion euros. Yes, Africa imports 70 to 100 billion dollars of food annually, and China is the single largest net food importer with a deficit around 75 billion dollars (driving massive imports of basedbeans and corn). Japan and Korea are structurally dependent on imports. So yeah, a fertilizer shock is going to make things expensive and suck for the actual import-dependent megacities in Asia and Africa. But you're acting like the West is going to collapse into a Mad Max wasteland because Ukraine can't ship wheat. The US and Canada will just sell their surplus to the highest bidder in the Middle East or Asia, and Europe will keep exporting high-value processed goods to pay for its raw inputs.
>>545396754My issue is that everything now is shipped in from somewhere. Even if we can burn the low tier fuels, they run out. All of our complicated machinery such as refineries and electricity production are extremely technical. Back in the day, anyone could work on a simple tractor engine with a but of help. Could you imagine getting a group of guys together and trying to turn on a reactor or a refinery? Hell, back when engines were less complicated, a guy with a 5th grade reading level could figure ojt the manual. People cant even read manuals now
>>545397918Measuring the exports and imports in dollars and not breaking it into categories is silly. Thailand can grow all the mangoes and bananas and palm oil it wants but they still suffer rice crises on a regular basis somehow. And I always said that the Americas will be fine. OTOH Europe will be missing their major wheat input this year, already, and so will the MENA region. Ukraine's wheat isn't going out. Which will indeed result in a bit of a shock and crisis in Europe but as I also said, not nearly as dire as elsewhere... NEARBY. They will have another rapefugee crisis for sure.
>>545394611How are we going to score the electrolytes our pizza plants crave?
>>545395644But do jeets (and even a lot of “educated” westerners too for that matter) understand that literal human shit cannot be piled onto a field as fertilizer? That it indeed requires at least SOME processing beforehand? There’s a reason why composting is a thing and you don’t just dump waste right into your garden. Even cow dung is not ready to be proper fertilizer straight from the cow ass>Indians shit in their fields for massive big brain izzat gains>crops do worse than beforeMore likely scenario.
there are too many people it's no secret, shit like vaccines, abortion and feminism is effective on rich countries, but for africa and india you need actual famine to self correct. I know spain/france/germany are some of the top food exporters worldwide all top 10, and i'm sure rest of europe will be fine they'll just have to pay more for food
>>545389528starving people is a meme as humans can eat almost anything
>>545395924I’m a pretty fucking serious gardener myself and this is pretty heavily apparent if you stop and think to yourself for a minute, unfortunately.I can plant and tend my crops like nobody else but that means literally nothing when I have to stay proximal to those crops the entire time they grow to defend them from both niggers and pests. I cannot pick up the crops and take them with me if I need to move, especially without normal road infrastructure. The longer I stay and use resources (including my own time) to tend my personal crops, the bigger a disaster it will be if the pillagers come at that time.If it even -looked- like civil unrest was upon us anywhere between january and march, I probably wouldn’t plant at all and would spend my time and resources doing other things.Entrenching yourself for defense literally does not work in the face of hoards. Mobility is the key to survival, if survival is even possible.
>>545398113They hire fresh out of highschool for linemen and electricians anon. I don't know who lied to you, but grids haven't really increased in complexity. Just bureaucracy.99% of the complexity is arbitrary from green scam deals that can be scrapped in a pinch. We don't actually need Chinese filters to boil water. Reminder, you boil water to spin a turbine. It isn't hard.
>>545389528Famine in Africa and India?And economic pressure in the West so we won't get grifted into sending bailout wellfare checks?How am I effected by this? I'm Belgian. We fucking own Europe.
>>545397551Fascinating. I never thought of it like that. There is a lot of hog farms around here maybe they are getting told to fatten the pigs for cheap meat?
>>545389528No shit, and it's going to be even worse when the grid goes down and fuel stations run dry in areas and supplies to grocery stores start to run dry.Why do you think the US government is training bases to work for 3 months off grid and are training for mass graves?We hit peak society in the early 2000s and have just been riding momentum upwards a little like a rollercoaster and and big drop is coming.
>>545391276*laughs in canned deenz*
>>545391232I will continue to shart in the mart, and there's nothing to can do about it
>>545400021>>545400172Not falling for your jew psyop. Nothing will happen.
>>545395337That's not going to be an issue if things collapse all over. The bigger issue will be all the fucking indians in Canada migrating south so they don't freeze to death, spraying diarrhea on everything they cross the entire way.
>>545393748You do realize china is also filled with competing cultures right? They're not a mono block like everyone seems to think
>>545389528theyre going to feed you to the nogs.>OH NO MUH STARVING AFRICANS QUICK WE MUST ALL SAVE THEM AND FEED CHUD TO THEMchud has nice chicken thighs, theyre going to like it.
>>545393083Rollen
Yes!
>>545401388Success and checkedPajeets on obliterationwatch
Do you guys think it might have something to do with people finding out that Republicans have Israeli foreign agents working their campaigns against American citizens?
>>545398224Never mind that Americans are already living paycheck to paycheck and having trouble keeping up with the bills. What good is our huge surplus of food if no one can afford to buy it?
>>545401603Government gibs happen whenever people ragey in cagey. They'll just hand out beer coupons again.
>>545389528Nothing ever happens.
>>545401490It’s crazy because I can tell that this line of trying to convince me is exclusively used on this site. There are genuinely zero liberal family members I know who are any more willing to criticize israel or their influence in american politics as a whole. Not a single one. They think that this or that should be stopped in gaza but all jew-related opinions stop right there.There is no democratic leadership openly criticizing israeli interference in our governance either. It all centers around gaza.If I can only see this type of liberal “opinion” here, then it is not a real opinion. Just like support for the war in iran: shills here would have you believe there’s a lot but I can’t even find any among the boomer maga fucks I know.
>>545399282Exactly, this is the worst case scenario. All of that doomsday prep stuff works great on a local scale like Katrina. Hell even a country wide one would be almost alright. The problem is that no country is now self sufficient. Every single country has geared themselves to be totally reliant on the trade systems. The moment they go down, everyone on earth is now on trouble. It sucks and it terrifies me.
>>545399344Thats nice. Those lines uave been roughly the same since the 70s, but that power plant isnt. Its more efficient, just like all pf pur engines. That substation isnt the same either. Without those, the line is just heavy rope
>>545402383Just remember to have fun, call someone a nigger, and enjoy the ride. It’s literally all we can do. Sometimes I think what it’d be like with the comms down>I wonder what anons would be saying about this>I wonder what anons think I should do with [thing] coming up>I wish I could ask somebody outside my own country and new cycles for perspective>I bet anon could have solved this problem in 2 seconds. Wish I could ask…But all of those things touch upon something deeply endearing for us (if we’re being honest about it). That same connection COULD happen with local people if you did things right and had a good spot before needing to move north. You COULD end up meeting other chuds irl and getting to have the campfire chud talks we always wanted to have. I could go on but it would get gay, the point is that there are little silver linings all along the way that make things slightly more livable than they seem from the bird’s eye view. There will likely be at least a little something to enjoy so try to remember to enjoy it. “Memento mori” is fucking GAY. Memento risus
>>545401803I don't think that we're talking about the end of the World itself, but there's been a number of collapses throughout history. A lot of people are looking at the drop in oil supply, then looking at the Bronze Age Collapse and saying "hmmm".
>>545401708Well, there have been famines caused not by a lack of food, but by an inability to distribute it properly.
>>545389528TOTALJEETDEATH
>>545398271Brawndo has what plants crave, anon.
