Can someone redpill me on communism? I don't want to be a part of the cringefest on the right anymore.
>>545425009communism is when abolishing the social relation that is capital. thats it, its just a negation of capitalism, theres nothing more to it.
just cut your dick off, its THAT fucking simple.
>>545425009>Chuds won culture war with Hollywood trashngmi
>>545425053But that sounds great? Why would I want to live in a society where social relation was defined by money?
>>545425009You won't find the truth about communism on english sitesCheck out Russian ones and Chinese ones.
>>545425009Communism is state oligarchy with gay boomers. More poverty and despotic rules for all!
>>545425009Yes.Communism, a.k.a. judaism, is a jewish invention to trick the goyim into enslavement. Fortunately only retards believe in it because it is so obviously stupid.
>>545425009Fascism is a method for repurposing human insecurities manufactured by the system to further serve the system ergo BDSM humiliation ritual;Most of these "fascist" are just bitches that bend before a power center and destined to get fucked in the ass by the very system exploiting their human vulnerabilitiesThe Elite are Fascist and the plebs (You) are the bitch they intend to manipulate and control...the results are as follows
>>545425126communism is good so long as theres no niggers to ruin it.
>>545425146thats state capitalism
>>545425156Communism requires no niggers to ruin itself and everyone around it.
>>545425149>if you nationalize the banks, jews win
What he's describing goes back to 2016 MAGA and the alt-right. Young people who might have otherwise embraced fascism were revolted by it after seeing Richard Spencer, Chris Cantwell, and the other "fashy goys".Only the biggest subjumans were attracted to the alt-right, and they went on to become the thought leaders of today's, somehow even more pathetic, dissident right.Everyone at Charlottesville should have gotten the Ashli Babbitt treatment.
>>545425009Why is it that Russkies are redpilled on pretty much every issue you could bring up except Communism?Couldn't you simp the Tsars instead?That's your history too and it's arguably a better period.
>>545425208Capitalism is when you take capital and invest it in production and employees. Not buying yachts and space dildos
>>545425258Yes they do. There is often very little of your nation, and lots of theirs, that control what is nationalized
>>545425307Why would Russians have to accomodate westerners? Some Russians do support the Tsars, after all Peter the Great was named 5th most excellent Russian in history
>>545425377The only way collecrivization benefits jews is if they are the collective, so in Israel
>>545425009Communism is based on an assumption that men are equal so power/wealth can be spread "equally'".This is horse shit. There are people who are much more smarter, hard working, innovative and are willing to take risks.In free market society, smart people gain wealth and power. In communism the power is given to random people or wprse: people who really want power but are not qualified to have it. To put simply: communism is one massive DEI program.Go watch the old duo interview of Americas fichest man Elon Musk and china's richest man Jack Ma. The difference between their intellectual is obvious.
>>545425307Tsars kept Russians poor and stupid. Commies at least increased literacy rate, went to space, and kept Russians poor
>>545425440in the gotha programme marx repudiates egalitarianism. read a book you fucking retard.
Just don't go to xitter
>>545425009what's the gay anime malfoid shit? I'm high T so I don't pay attention to fag shit
>>545425307Because communism or at least some form or state capitalism is an actual solution to most problems. This is the pill the board refuses to swallow because1. Hitler said its jewish2. It was tried only in poor unprepared countries, so of course it did not do wonders thereInstead /pol/ goes around pretending capitalism is the trad american ideology, despite it turning US from 90% white to 50% white over a few decades. Or they just simp for national socialism which is never coming back anyway and was also kind of retarded anyway.
>>545425370>real capitalism has never been tried
>>545425009Real communism will never work, because of the greed of the people. Mix of capitalism and socialism work, because it’s good for the people.
>>545425483>Because communism or at least some form or state capitalism is an actual solution to most problems.Don't we have both already today in the USA with welfare and ebt for incompetents and capitalism for everyone else?
>>545425440People got paid more for more work. The only difference in inequalities is that managing 200 people didn't automatically mean getting a 200x the average wageMamagers and directors were seen as just another type of employees. And the owner of the company was the state. No stock markets, no stocks actually. No dividendsDefinitely not for everyone, because in capitalism you can actually live off stock trading and if you are good you don't have to work at all. In communism, you do not have this option. So depending on who you are, it may be better or worse
blunders made so far in this thread>state capitalism is when minimal state intervention>communism not work because bourgeois psychology (fake science) says so
To me its actually very interesting how people are still seething at a fictional character having a happy family. Ok let me redpill you on communism. Ready? Communists are disgusting subhuman traitors. It's an ideology created by kikes to subvert populations. Always one kill away from utopia. Such cancer must be purged. The reason its so effective at oneshotting normalfags is that it does have certain humanitarian common sense things baked in as a bit of cheese for the proverbial mousetrap. It's not wrong that definitely nowadays for example the middle class and lower middle class and wealthy kikes and all sorts of degenerates propagated by them are very far apart and you are busting your ass for them. But this is not a solution because they end up in power with ironically more power that way. It's the same lie as "equality", some are just a bit more "equal" every time.
>>545425009Makes sense that a lefty would immediately resort to social shaming. They do that, because social shaming works on them, they they figure it must work on the right as well.
>>545425009a capitalist will ask how cheaper are you, cheaper than indian = hired, no = go away.communist will not ask anything, you will live like indian work like indian with indian for greater good of india and you will like it. stop being a hippie and accept that the slavery is necessary to sustain your worthless NEET lifestyle.
>>545425009Men cannot be free and equal at same time. Which would you rather be?
>>545425053Why would you want to take away the interest of the individual for the interest of the government?
>>545425638you are equal in your rations comrade
>>545425009>I'll voot communism into a completely captured techno-feudal international system
>>545425666Damnit why does everyone in linux want to be a woman
>>545425665most people arent naturally selfish little shits, its only upon interacting with the capitalist system that they become that way. and communsim isnt when big gov't
>>545425009Have you considered not being an NPC direction brain. Did you know there are opinions beyond leftism and rightism. Become a real human being and make your own opinions and ascend into higher dimensions.
>>545425588You got like a whole thousand billionaires in the US. In what way are you a communist country?
>>545425009Wow that twitter faggot is unironically stupid as fuck, why did you post him here? Anyways here's an overview of communism.
>>545425788>thousand billionairesIf they act as a hivemind with central planning, its just privatized communism. Like post-soviet Russian oligatchy
>>545425009Many business owners are absolute scum and the reason why some things in America are messed up. That said, I’m just normcattle, incapable of becoming radicalized by any ideology, so I don’t believe in communism
>>545425932>its just privatized communismSo, not communism
>>545425932>ultra capitalism is actually communism in disguiseThere you have it. It all twists into schizophrenia posting. "When you liquidate banks and usury you are actually helping Jews".
>>545425009malfoid was at least kinda sexy for 2 or so days, it just kept going for some reason
>>545425976No, the state is very involved with regulations that favor them.
>>545425997Its not the 20th century communism any more, dummy. We are heading towards new era of techno communism that has traits of capitalism attatched
>>545425009>they think genz doesnt recognize false meme operations
>>545426088is every /pol/fag this retarded? how can u unsarcastically say something like that
>>545426049The number of regulations has been steadily decreasing, actually.Not like it matters because regulated capitalism is still capitalism
>can someone give my gay faggot masquerading ass attention? Im just a loser freak who wants everyone else to be a loser zero self esteem leftist like meFtfy
>>545426139You wouldn't know communism if it was in your fat pimply face.>>545426141>if its central planning its still capitalism ok? Ok
>>545426209There is planning in capitalism, it is just done by private enterprise in markets, instead of the state (central planning)
>>545426264So carbon credits, warpspeed mrna lockdowns, importing cheap labor instead of outsourcing aweat shop slaves... not the state?
>>545425009Join us comrade turn away from your wicked ways and together we will tear down global capital and build a better future. I would start with some theory currently I’ve been reading what is to be done by Lenin he was a very brilliant revolutionary. I highly recommend if you have never read it
>>545425009It's a chimeric psyop gone too far
>>545425009Marxism is about labour value, "class" exploitation (people who labour can also own land, trade capital, and engage in entrepreneurship; there are no such "classes"), and the inevitable collapse of capitalism due to the existing contradiction of the bourgeoisie and proletariat (this violates the law of non-contradiction). Marxists also believe that value is not subjective (which it is since the same material good will be valued differently based on preference), but based on labour, i.e., spending 10,000 hours creating mudpies is as valuable as 10,000 hours trading stocks or working in construction. The objection to the mudpies argument is usually "muh socially-valued labour," but this is just subjective value again.Socialism is the collective ownership over the means of production. Since the means of production are scare, this is impossible. Also, due to the ECP and knowledge problem, central planning will always lead to economic inefficiency and collapse.https://grokipedia.com/page/Economic_calculation_problemMarxism-Leninism (communism) is a type of socialism where you have one party that centrally plans everything until, at some point, they decide that they don't want to have power over everybody and give this up so that everyone can live in a classless society.Another issue with "muh class exploitation" is the fact that people are freely deciding to work as employees. The reason that people do so is because they would rather work as an employee than acquire the resources using their own time and skills to set up the business they're working for (or an analogue) themselves. That's the value that the entrepreneur provides—time. The fact that you choose to act at a particular time indicates that you prefer to act at that time (otherwise, you would never have acted). This is referred to as "time preference."For more information on time preferences, read this article: https://mises.org/mises-wire/time-preference-and-success-there-any-link
>>545425456Nigger i didnt say what marx thinks of equaloty. I know marx thought for example that slavs were retarded subhumans.I am saying in communism, it is not the most talented who end up doing decisions and having the most power. It is the most unqualified people who end up in positions like that. Why do you think every public org is so inefficient, slow and shit and cannot ever compete with the private sector? That is because government is just so shit. Only in government you can be the worst fucking retard worker and still have a life time career there and the worst part is the retard will get promoted and have more decision making abiloties aka power and more responsibilities.Mao and communist officials were the most retarded idiots there were. They started campaign to kill all the birds because they thought birds eating seeds was bad for crops. Turns out the birds were actually eating bugs that ate plants and now there were more bugs than ever so tens of millions died.You are the one who should read you retard you are arguing agai st stuff i never even said you faggot ass commie retard.
>>545425009Wow I guess if a Russian flag is posting about American politics I’ll just have to believe it
>>545425751>most people arent naturally selfish little shitsLol, no.Ever but of communist propaganda plays on jealousy. Also every person is a selfish shit, even with charity they will help in group first or those that benefit their goals.
>>545426341There were lockdowns during the Spanish flu as well, it is what the state does for self preservation, or what it believes to be so. Same with climate, except there it is more performative.Outsourcing is a result of government NOT intervening, since it makes market sense to outsource.
>>545426501>Only in governmentwas gonna make an effortpost but saw u said this.
>>545426571Funny you mentioned Spanish flu. Chink flu and spanish flu have the same author. And its no other that the GLOBOCOMMIE Rockefeller family.>The "Lock Step" scenario published in May 2010 by the Rockefeller Foundation in collaboration with the Global Business Network. It appeared in a report titled Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development. The scenario describes a """hypothetical""" world in 2012 where a deadly pandemic leads to tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership globally.They also did the Spanish flu in Kansas a century prior>Frederick L. Gates, a physician and scientist at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, who conducted an experimental bacterial meningitis vaccine trial on soldiers at Fort Riley, Kansas, between January and June 1918.>The first documented case of the Spanish flu occurred on March 4, 1918, when U.S. Army cook Private Albert Gitchell reported symptoms at Camp Funston, Fort Riley, Kansas
>>545425009Surely ruskie nigger can talk about rest of us when he views communism as nationalist ideals
>>545425601No. It's worse for all.Do you know what makes a country safe, prosperious and advanced? I'll tell you: about 4% of the population. Only a fraction of population run businesses that employ more than themselves.A somalia will never be successful because they do not have the 4% who will carry the 96%.This 4% (4 to 6%) figure is shown everywhere, in group projects, open source orojects, in companies, governmemts, video games etc. These 4%, in western countries, are almost exclusively white men.Now imagine what those 4% will do in communism? They are not innovators or enterpeneuers, nope. They are plumbers, teachers, factory workers and miners. Only the people with connections will climb up in communism.
>>545425009Nationalism = Gay. Socialism = Gay. Communism = Gay. National Socialism = Gay. Watching anime and jerking off to cute traps = Straight.
>>545426814The vast majority of businesses do not do anything new. You cannot really take credit for employing people in the mines when the state could easily do the same thing. You can only really take the credit if you invent a whole brand new market. But when did this acyually happen? Amazon and Onlyfans, but these are just digitalizations of existing markets and the technology for this digitalization was invented by the military
>>545426814>Now imagine what those 4% will do in communism? They are not innovators or enterpeneuers, nope. They are plumbers, teachers, factory workers and miners.How do you come to this conclusion?
>>545426621Midwith zoomer muttmerican like you should stay quiet about politics. You don't know shit and you never will. You don't even know the basics of free market economy and why it is overwhelmingly the most stable structure there ever has been. You don't know why countries privatize government own companies to save them (from their own incompetence and inefficiency). You didn't even realise China adopted free market capitalism in the 90s and because of that the country went from people literally driving donkey carts to driving electric cars.Don't post anything cos u are just too fucking stupid to argue with me.
>>545426892That is why I specially mentioned companies with employees. Only 4% create jobs. They are the ones generating taxes, jobs, literally everything. Every company that creates jobs (or a lot of taxes) creates value.
>>545426892>when the state could easily do the same thing.That is the thing. The state ca not essily do it cos they are incompetent.I private company, that competes with others, will always polish itself while a state run business will look dortier and dirtier each year.
>>545425009Communism is what the west is under since at least the end of WWII> central banking> everything is regulated> state trumps individual alwaysCovid has shown what's really under the curtain. Replace "billionaires" with "nomenklatura" and it's literally the same thing. You're deluding yourself if you think you're "free" and you have "rights".
>>545425126Because you're still ruled by a bureaucracy that takes all of the capital for themselves while you wait in bread lines.
>>545426899You can use ai next time.The 5% Phenomenon describes how, in many groups and organizations, a small minority of people do most of the actual work while the majority remain passive or participate occasionally.This pattern appears everywhere: in workplaces, where a few employees take initiative; in volunteer organizations, where the same people organize everything; in communities, where a handful keep things running; and online, where a small percentage creates most of the content.Related to Price's Law, the Pareto Principle and the Matthew Effect, this phenomenon illustrates how participation, responsibility and productivity tend to concentrate around a small core.Ultimately, many people may belong to a group, but only a few consistently take ownership, create momentum and make things happen.
>>545425126Money is an abstract of value, and the only reason anyone interacts with society in any way is to attempt to prosper and create the conditions of greater success for their own genetic offspring. Every social value flows out from the desire to, in some way, store up value in such a way as to make you more likely to have more children and for those children to be stronger and more likely to have many children.
>>545425126Like any system, the system is not important and not having Jews or other subhumans in the system is the ultimate decider of success.Communism is retarded because it has no guardrails to prevent Jewish power. That's all.
>>545427111The USSR had the best steel production in the world. The largest international companies are Chinese SOEsThink about it, there is no magical law preventing a state enterprise from competing.
>>545427324No, the question is - why do you believe communism is not interested in seeing talented people occupy important positions and instead would send then all to work as factory workers? You seem to be basing your views on an assumption that nothing but money can motivate people and if factory worker and musician get paid around the same wage, the musician will just go to work in a factory.
>>545425258Yes central banking is the most Jewish thing in human history.Hyper centralization of government is a failed experiment that has done nothing but maximize human suffering for 200 years to the exact proportion it has been put into practice.
>>545425146Damn. Eyes closed, and everything.. this is elite-level faggyness, right here.
>>545425514>>545425483It's very simple. You either have more state interference in voluntary exchange between citizens or you have less, and less has produced consistently better conditions, and more has consistently produced worse conditions. All buzzwords and jewish pilpul games are irrelevant.
>>545427422This is national banking, not central banking
>>545427680>less has produced consistently better conditionsRetard.
>>545427686>This is the banks as a monolith controlled by a central authority, not the banks as a monolith controlled by a central authority.
>>545427735>Less government interference >Voluntary exchange between citizens
>>545427279Communism and Corpo Capitalism seems to meagre at the end.Communist state is just an all encompassing corporation with a country wide Company Store.When I talk to older dudes that work in a corpo they all feel like it was communism again with different lingo
>>545427790This>Larry McDonald, a Democratic U.S. Congressman from Georgia and chairman of the John Birch Society, was a anti-communist who frequently accused powerful elites of orchestrating a "New World Order". He claimed the Rockefeller family and their allies were working to establish a one-world government that merged "SUPERCAPITALISM and COMMUNISM" under elite control, often citing the United Nations, Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission as key instruments of this conspiracy.>McDonald was killed on September 1, 1983, when Soviet fighter jets shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007https://youtu.be/RXIdbSKRu0A
>>545426501Clearly your whole world view is based on /pol/ memes and infographics. Try reading an actual book sometimes.
>>545427747Central banking means that banks control the government, National banking is the government controling the banks
>>545426501>I am saying in communism, it is not the most talented who end up doing decisions and having the most power. It is the most unqualified people who end up in positions like that.so just like in capitalism then, lol!
The only way communism works is if you remove all the jewry.The only way capitalism works is if you... remove all the... jewry?Get the pattern yet fuckheads, both systems would have worked to an extent and life on this rock would be way better, current China is a mixed bag with low jewry, Stalin was trying to purge the jewry, he was the body of the Russian empire trying to fight the infection albeit his noticing was a little late, theres a reason he's #2 most slandered in the west, with Mao right after.
>>545425440absolutely none of this is true
>>545425146Ew its lemon party
>>545427298capital in the marxist sense is the means of production. so the things that generate wealth would be owned by the state instead of private enterprise. the issue with bread lines was people taking 50 loaves of subsidized bread for themselves to feed their pigs, leaving others standing around waiting for more to be baked. this was a failure of administration and logistics, not a failure of communism. it was simply poor governance.
>communism killed millions of russians>russians continue to simp for communismlol
I’ll give you a red pill that most people fail to mention: It can work, but it doesn’t always work.Communism is meant for non-white people or uncivilized ethnicities. It is the gateway from being a savage to civilized unity. It essentially keeps them in line.Where it stops working is when the people become a bit too good for it, meaning they have a higher enough trust to leave communism. Essentially, it stops being necessary.
>>545428258>absolutely none of this is trueno two humans are equal.at times you aren't even equal to yourself (otherwise, why would schools exist?)communism is bullshit.they'll pretend to pay youand you'll pretend to workor else
>>545427406communism in the west is very loaded, and has a lot of myths and straw men woven in. it's shorthand for "all the stupid people that i hate are going to steal my tv and toothbrush and give it to fags and niggers and we'll have to say up is down and left is right". as you can tell from the responses here, nobody has any real idea of what communism is, or why they hate it. they just know that all the podcasts they watch, and before that the radio and tv hosts, call everyone they hate communists, so they hate communists now. most of these people would say a public library is communism.
Young guys in general just don't care desu. And that is a sensible position. Nothing good is going to happen because no one is good (in most places.) Low quality people iow. No way to save it because it's not even>muh immigrants
>>545429171>communism in the west is very loadedwho was it that said>they pretend to pay you>so we pretend to work?pretty sure it was communists themselves that came up with that.hey, anon.what happens if you decide you would rather not work?what happens then, you retarded faggot?
>>545429094you have zero idea what you are talking about. tilting at pictures of windmills.>from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.>>545429226are you really drunk at 5:30am?
>>545425009It's something you got to learn yourself man.Just start learning and reading and you will eventually become a socialist by default.Education leads to leftism. Simple as.
On the subject itself>AmericaIs already a distributive economy more than anything else. It's hardly anti-communist or capitalist. But the labels don't mean anything to the audience, they are just clothes. Another reason why young people don't care.
>>545429261>i'm going to pretend to not understand because i think that's a valid defenseyou're a retarded faggot.how many people have ever built a hot air balloon out of garbage to break out of a capitalist country?
>>545427680based
>just one more drinky-poo
You can order this book and find out.
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>>545425053>communism is when abolishing the social relation that is capitaloh, so its what happened in the united states 50 years ago
>>545429485>errr durrrr>from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.that's literally why all of the talent tried to leave and they had to build walls, lol.so, drinking is all you're left with.>damn, i can't find a dentist who was smart enough to leave before the walls went up>guess i'll go stand in line for groceries where the staff will ignore me, because there's literally no where else to go>oh shit, there's no chicken left. they only have beets and beans left.but, please, tell me how wonderful communism is, you twat.
you know you're dealing with real intellectuals when they bust out the AI slop
>>545425009If you want to become a leftist, take the following three axioms to heart: All people are equal. There is no God. The state is your family.Also read the book in picrel.
>>545429171>all the stupid people that i hate are going to steal my tv and toothbrush and give it to fags and niggers and we'll have to say up is down and left is rightThat's literally what's going to happen, regardless of how German Santa Claus defined communism way back when. Commies are literally arguing for the extinction of white men. They'll steal our shit, destroy our civilization and give it to some Nigerians. Commies support LGBTQ and are proactively against the family unit. All of your yap about class struggle is cool in theory. In practice, it means they wanna give our wealth to shitpooristan due to muh colonialism.Plus, you know this anyway. You're a deceptive little greedy piece of shit. So gladly, go fuck yourself.
there are brown people in this thread doing the "let me tell you about your people and how it includes me"
>>545429020And how would you keep track of everyone's needs and wants?
>>545425009>*reads about communism*>'hey maybe there's something to this'>*looks up actual communist parties*>"FUCK WHITE PEOPLE - MORE MIGRANTS NOW">wtf?>*moves to the right*
>>545429873Russian poets literally compared Lenin and his twelve people's comissars to Jesus Christ and Apostoles
>>545425440>In free market society, smart people gain wealth and power.what a leap.you really mean >smart people with a certain personality type, in certain circumstances...how many smart people with the right personality type for this trajectory had to divert their time and attention to a child or spouse with cancer or blindness or to something else equally diverting?many such forked roads in life.
>>545427406How would you find them under communism?
>>545425009communism in any form of implementation is the lowering of everything to the bottom and unless you happen to be in the very small ruling elite your life will be terrible.
>>545425009The communist in OP is coping hard, by the way.
>>545425009Everyone assumes communists are blue haired fat faggots or women or brownoids. That's an image that's just not going to wash since commie kiddies live up to it every single time with their ugly tats and piercings, and their adult baby demeanor. You're not Mao hiking through the desert mountains with a donkey. You're some faggot trust fund recipient who thinks brown people are going to cheer for you and hold you up like Khaleesi
>>545425751>most people arent naturally selfish little shitsCorrect, but that doesn't mean that people are naturally inclined to want to sacrifice for strangers.I'll happily work hard to sustain my family, my friends and myself. I won't do that for every single stranger.
>>545425009Communism is fiction. Bolsheviks have used that fiction to subvert and subjugate nations, Americans have used it to supress political enemies and unions.
>>545425307Almost like they know the language the original events are recorded in and not the retconned versions
If you love communism, you love globohomo 4th international. Simple as that
>>545425009Maybe sucking Jew dick wasn't the way to go, white man.
>>545430832'Russian poets literally compared Lenin and his twelve people's comissars to Jesus Christ and Apostoles'In addition to the quasi-religious projection onto the party secretaries, the Communist leadership embodies yet another, far more glaring contradiction within the Communist ideal: the absence of an elite in a classless society.
>>545426718Your world is very strange when the richest jews in the world have to be guilty of communism and not capitalism
>>545425009I don't speak nigger. Can anybody explain this in English?
>>545431654what does Yiddish have to do with it?
>>545425009These little shits have zero respect for our greatest ally, Israel.They are Antisemites.They are Nazis.They are not Communist.
>>545431768Another person who didn't understand animal farm. LolIt was about protecting the revolution from bad actors and spoilers. It wasn't anti revolution.
