Sounds like bullshit to me.
>>545425865Sloppy job mossad. Just in time for the elections
>>545425865You’re a fucking idiot
>>545425901Kys pedo faggot
>>545425865It doesn’t. People are just making things up to protect the reputation of the brown woman.
>>545425934You probably think it was shot down or some conspiratard slop
>>545425901/Thread
>>545425865Ice likes to build up right on the part of the wing that actually produces lift.
>>545425865why would you fly into a storm WILLINGLY with this rinky dinky ass jet lol (rest in peace)
>>545425865Because it's made of a thin sheet of aluminum. Like birds, planes are lightweight and mostly hollow. That entire plane weighs the same as three trucks.To put it in words you'll better understand, aluminum is only about 11 times stronger than pasta.
>>545425955this is the braindamage you get on vaccines and 5g phones, thank god im not you (good goy)
>>545425865ask for its papers
>>545425865it can't. all these aircraft have multiple anti icing systems for the engines and fuselage. they are literally made for flying through bad weather at 30.000ft where the outside temperature is -50C. its fake news
A better question is, why did they keep flying in that storm long enough to incapacitate the aircraft
>>545425865Ice built up, made it fall too fast and break up. Ice is quite easy to avoid, such as flying up high where it's dry, flying low where air is warmer or turning around to known warm air. Basically the boomer retard and the wop girl were flying in the moist danger zone for a long time without any thought of the cold damp air and let the ice build up and then they were fucked
>>545426052At -50C it's actually pretty safe because any water in the air is well and truly already dry and frozen so doesn't stick to the plane
>>545425924U lost. Tranny.
>>545425865Ice sends it in a nosedive.Speed breaks it off.They stalled at high altitude due to ice buildup, probably couldn't deploy any spoilers or flaps or anything due to the ice. With no controls, they couldn't do anything but pick up more speed. Probably didn't pull back on the engines either in the panic. Bigger airplanes have gone down or at least suffered write-off damage due to pilots thinking they can just power through the ice
>>545426085They were flying through -47C air, and then went through a wet storm updraft while the plane was still cold as fuck.
>>545425865are you dumb?
>>545425992They were trying to fly over the strom, but the storm was enormous and it grew very quickly and swallowed the plane. At least that's my guess.
>>545425992>but but but>it has JET enginesjet rated newbies think they're invincible, many such cases
>>545426027>Like birds, planes are lightweight and mostly hollow.Except planes aren't real, retardYou're telling me if I drive this car fast enough...it's just going to go up in the air like a bird? Don't believe me? Next time you're on a "flight", try to stand up and leave, you'll see how they suddenly try to give you a ton of excuses as to why that's not possible because they're terrified of the illusion shattering
>>545425865It didn't. Turbulence and stress from trying to recover the stalled craft is what caused it to break off, which is how these things happen.
>>545426189>You're telling me if I drive this car fast enough...it's just going to go up in the air like a bird?yes, fast cars have upside down wings to keep them on the ground. cars will fly if their upside wings are damaged or not designed properly (yes, i realize you're just trolling)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e21ZjwZGjiQ
>>545425865oh wow, its painted WHITE on the top-sideof course you cant see it at the speed it was going with video compression, yadda-yadda
>>545426189yeah, every time I’ve been on a plane it’s secretly a film set with stage hands dressed as clouds running past the window
>>545426135Yeah so it makes me wonder why they didn't look ahead and see the fucking storm or watch the thermometer. Maybe pilot was in the shitter
>>545425865>So how the fuck can ice break this?look at it tiny as fuck stabiliizer, tiny as fuck wings look like they were made in someone's garage. learjet pedigree is essentially 1970s handbuilt planes, not computer designed robust airships. there was a crash where they left one little panel off the t-tail leading edge overnight and they flew it and it crashed, small jets were made that fragile.
>>545425865Aerodynamics by scale.
>>545426748>tiny as fuck stabiliizer, tiny as fuck wingsthe american solution would be to simply smack BBC on it and call it a day, yes
>>545425865woman pilot
>>545426850(and then milk that DEI equity)
>>545425865it wa ICE
>>545426876actually the pilot was a man, she was the co-pilot. The responsibility ultimately rests with him.>>545426702She was probably blowing him
>>545425865THERE IS NO PILOT ON THAT PLANEI REPEAT: THERE IS NO PILOT ON THAT PLANEWHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ONWHAT THE FUCKWHAT THE FUCK
>>545426027>But it can also go through a forest of steel beams and bring down a skyscraperKek
>>545425865It wasn't just ice.It was ice moving at mach fuck.Anything moving at mach fuck with fuck you up.That's why it's called mach fuck.
>>545427010she ran out of time to finish him off
>>545425865The ice doesn't break it. The ice locked all of the control surfaces, made them stall, and then falling to earth at 20,000 feet per second broke it.
>>545427692the fact so many have trouble wrapping their heads around this is why pilot is the most complex uber driver job
>>545425865At that height, the ice would probably be like cement
>>545425992It's like going in the fastest lane on the autobahn with an unmodified 90's hatchback
>>545425865Precipitation at -51 degrees F at 35,000 ft altitude can freeze the ailerons in place. Lears have a heat bleed system installed for de-icing in such situations, but if it never gets engaged or, often, is nonfunctional, once the controls lock up you're basically screwed.The two damning questions about this are 1. Why did air traffic control not give the pilot a new course when asked 1300 miles earlier before the Lear went into the supercell? and 2. Why did the pilot not throttle back once in the dive, but instead increased speed until the impact velocity was beyond terminal?
>>545427692So how does a plane just freeze all over in a couple of minutes? Dr. Freeze was in the area?Besides, planes have heaters to prevent that from happening.
errr yah its totalllyy the ice that did it. or its probably becky cause shes like a mega slut and can't even do her eyeliner properly. anyway it was so grammable and i was like maydayyyy i guess lol
>>545427943Well maybe it can lock them in place, but that doest make the plane go into an apeshit dive instantly.Maybe they fucked up trying to unlock them
>>545425865These things aren't Iron Horse Locomotives.They are light alloys and rigid skins.
>>545428010It was -47 degrees at their altitude. The girl is heard telling ATC the temperature outside.
>>545427943May as well increase speed so the horror of waiting for impact was reduced for the passengers. His last heroic act
>>545428041How the fuck did her get the job?Of all the pilots you could choose to put in a private jet with passengers that pay a lot of money why would you put an air headed bimbo in there?
>>545425865Ice is a hell of a drug
>>545426189Mr Brownfingers, you are always so apparent, as we follow you from thread to thread.
>>545428010>Besides, planes have heaters to prevent that from happening.You have to turn them on before they ice otherwise it's useless.
She didnt fly pretti Good
>>545428131*did she
>>545425865Ths surfaces used to steer the plane get stuck so you can't control pitch anymore.
>>545427943It wasn't MINUS 51 degrees, those temperatures can only be found in Antarctica.You phone posters can't see the presence of a tilde ~ meaning approximately 51 degrees.
>>545425865The IDF destroyed it. There was a Hamas base in that stabilizer.
>>545428131She passed her exams and had her hours. If you don't hire her because she's a woman you get sued
>>545428274hey grok, what is the average outside temperature at 35,000 feet?
>>545425865Wing make lift, plane go too fast downward and wing make too much lift, rip itself off. Technically never malfunction, wing make lift, just not attached to aircraft no more.
>>545428010>in a couple of minutes?In heavy icing conditions it can happen in seconds, which is what all signs are pointing to in this flight. I assume you've never experienced it in italy but have you ever heard of the weather phenomenon freezing rain? Freezing rain is dangerous as fuck in a car that's on the ground when the primary risk is only sudden loss of visibility. When it accumulates at an even faster rate on the middle of your wings or elevators causing flow separation upstream of the control surfaces or worse total stall states you can end up in an unrecoverable condition faster than you can react. When you have normal slow accumulating icing it usually only collects on the leading edges of the wings or stabilizers so that's where deice/anti-ice hardware is placed. Normal commercial or private use planes do not have any contingencies for rapid ice accumulation on other parts of the wing because such a system would be a nightmare to engineer with everything else they're packing into the wing structure and would statistically speaking never be used. Plus anytime it would be necessary there isn't enough thermal energy likely generated by all the engines devoted only to that task to melt the quantity of ice that accumulates when it starts accumulating in those areas. Heavy icing situations are not something we can really deal with if you find yourself in them. Your only way out is to never put yourself there in the first place.
Was a fkn miss ile test. Expect the real deal within meteres next time. By real I mean uh oh. They will sacrifice shitholes.... Sacrificial ...... So.... Hows the land there.. sacrificebaaal ? Tink so... Hmmm ... What about...
>>545427943You talk like a fag, nerd homos like you make me want to VOMIT
>>545428057Wing generate lift cause of shape. Ice ruin shape ,plane drop like ice. Like a car hydroplaning on a motorway, wing lose 'grip'on te air. Wings arent scoops, they dont scoop the air under the plane, it needs to be flowing or else youre just a fancy flying brick
I figure evey nuke will be your own gfkyourselves.Shitasses. Your gay coke homo orgies in congress wont outsmart me. Fuck you.
>>545426027>That entire plane weighs the same as three trucks.So truck can fly because it's 3x lighter than a plane>>545426189Based
>>545425865I mean, fuck the kikes and all, but you're an idiot.
>>545426027>That entire plane weighs the same as three trucks.TIL that a learjet 60 weights the about same as 3 * normal (american sized) pickup trucks. or 1 * F-650 cab chassis.
Don't they have how to avoid potentially fatal weather conditions classes in flight school? in which case how did she pass given that she failed so badly in the practical test?
>>545426189>You're telling me if I drive this car fast enough...it's just going to go up in the air like a bird?If you build a car with a lifting body, sure.Or you know, add wings that act as lifting surfaces to it.
>>545429214Cover stories bud. Ketchup. FFFFIts a big deal even though it looks "different". Count on it.
>>545429214Sure, but the clanker slop billionaire bro in the back says fuck going around I'm on a schedule, you do as you're told. You're a glorified taxi driver wagie up there.
>>545425865There were only 3 frames where you could see the plane and in one you could barely see the left wing.. there is another video you can see the tail is still intact
Btw we dressed up tomahawks to look like planes. If you're lucky somebody will post a pic./Calling it/w some kind of red meat load. Finger yourselves out and fast.
>>545428931>>545428274There are so many retarded niggers in this thread that I genuinely think the world is going to end in my lifetime through sheer niggery and racial incompetence. I genuinely think if you got a D or an F in high school you should have no rights.
>>545425865wasn't the ice that broke it but the supersonic forces as the plane exceeded its operating limits, the plane itself might have not gone supersonic but the air around the wings did
BREAKING NEWS; MACACA DEPORTED BY ICE.
>>545425865>So how the fuck can ice break this?Wrong question>So how the fuck can a whamen pilot fuck this up?Yes
>>545425865Canadians built it and canada is just India2 making it an another boening incident
>>545429178>1 * F-650 cab chassis.that thing weighs 10 tonnes?
>>545425865>surfaces ICE>FUUUUUCK FULL THROTTLE THE ICE AAAAAH>doesn't work>dive >overspeed>rips offSimple
>risking everyone’s life flying through a giant supercell storm instead of just saying sorry boss flight cancelled due to weather Retards lmao
>>545429517If they don't have the courage/sense to say no then they have no place being professional pilots, the passengers clearly aren't aware of the dangers. I'm sure that in the end they would have appreciated not being killed over getting somewhere a bit faster.
>>545425865Basically rain drops solidify as ice on the wings, and it's rapidly building up to the point when there is no more uplift but a lot of extra weight. Plane has no chance. If you fly any plane in bad weather you will likely die.
>>545428955Ok so why this doesnt happen all the time?Why arent planes falling off the sky because of this?
>>545428434I guess otherwise I don’t reckon how someone young is supposed to get experience in the actual biz if no one wants to hir. If not commercially or chartered, where else do you “work” as a 20 year old pilot
I will believe you assholes are running off a cover story. Show me the turbine engines. Nuh. Grow up.Cant sno the snowman.
>>545428434Dont give me that shit. You know how fucking retarded young pretty women are.She was screaming loudly all the way until they hit the ground.
>>545430103Bpd grills can act. Yaw. I think you're all in a game.. this one..... Dunnit before. HnghhBee smarter.
>>545430061Big commercial jets use the heat from the jet engines on the wings to avoid icing These “private” jet planes are in a weird spot where they’re less tried and tested than the big commercial aircraft like the 737 and the small private propeller planes like Cessnas and PipersEssentially private jets are a death trap statistically speaking
>>545425865diving ten kilometers at full thrust broke it
>>545429971Why did they try to climb out of it? would an emergency landing not have been better or were they fucked either way?
>>545429937>"Uh there's a storm cell, going around it will increase flight time by 1 hour">"REEEEE MY VACATION IS SCHEDULED DOWN TO THE SECOND GO THROUGH IT!"You just know that was the cause.
>>545430233You can’t control anything if you lose your controls due to icing you’re just in for one last wild ride
>>545430233I'm guessing the flaps got frozen trying to create lift so they would have eventually stalled? if they'd kept the flaps fairly level they wouldn't have lost control so badly amirite?
You mfrs took the narrative hook line and sinker. Am let down. Fk u gays.post birth abortions. Let's watch.
>>545430271but if the flaps get frozen level you can still sort of glide to ground? whereas if the flaps get frozen when you're trying to climb you're just going to continually lose speed and eventually stall out.
>>545430218>small private propeller planes like Cessnas and Pipersdont fly at altitudes where they freeze upbut their crash rates is even worse than private jets, because a lot more amateurs are flying them>>545430061you avoid the storms, nigga
>>545430061Because it's standard operating procedure in commercial flight, especially private charters in small planes, to avoid giant fuck off storms. Some outfits have huge exclusion zones around storms that their pilots are forbidden to even approach. This situation was a confluence of a lot of factors and pure bad luck creating the outcome we saw.
I can tell its a big deal not to let you gays get it in your head it was a missile. #No planeGet on my levelShit's gay af, all of it.
>>545430428No brother you can’t just glide the ice is preventing the airflow over your wings and tail it’s just one big stall til you hit the ground
>>545430428It's literally just random chance depending on what shape the ice takes. Wings are carefully designed to make planes fly, sheets of ice aren't.
>>545427943>1. Why did air traffic control not give the pilot a new course when asked 1300 miles earlier before the Lear went into the supercell?ATC isn't going to navigate for every single plane just to circumvent the possibility of pilots being retarded.>2. Why did the pilot not throttle back once in the dive, but instead increased speed until the impact velocity was beyond terminal?They don't train for what to do when everything is already fucked, except maybe some bullshit simulator that doesn't count for anything. The training is about never getting to a crazy nosedive in the first place. Also it's not like it just slows down magically by throttling down after it's already diving at 600 mph
>>545430233I think fucked either way, a large airliner can bleed hot air trough their wings when needed and generally more stable and would have made it trough and most likely not fly into a red storm in the first place. A small jet like this can turn to an icicle in no time.
#Still winning.
>>545430846To be fair, you can literally fly a brick with control. Gassing up to 100% and yanking back on the stick to rip off the stabilio elevator then keeping it gassed at 100% all the way to the ground may have had something to do with it. Power off, flaps out, steady nose up and if you still can't slow down, wreck the fucking undercarriage...at least you get control of the plane again instead of being stuck in a static dive.
>>545431214>He thinks the elevators still pitch the aircraft when the horizontal stabilizer is icedLel
>>545425865they thought adding bottom slanted non operational not elevator back winglets would make up for designing a severely undersized elevator, they were wrong.
>>545431252>> he hasn't a clue as to where icing occurs..Lel - should have put on the trailing edge horizontal stabilizer heater then! Fuck me dead!
I just think it would be better to have your flaps frozen fairly level rather than in a climbing position, at the very least you'll buy yourself some more time in the air I would've thought.I just assumed it was only the mechanical parts that got frozen in place though, if the whole plane was getting caked in ice then obviously they were fucked either way.
Why the fuck don't planes have giant airballoon parachutes that come out.Like if your plane is in the air and shit just goes south there should be a big arse lever you pull on that just breaks teh wings and fins and shit that can drag you about off and then a huge series of parachutes ploomfs out the top.I dont see why a single plane has to crash into the ground and for people to die everLike space ships do this, they just break all the shit off and turn into parachute landing tube. Why not?
>>545431662Because they don't have 20 year old female pilots on the space shuttle?
De icing strips are only on the leading edge of the wing and stab. Thats where you normally have ice. Now these dipshits flew into rain at extremely low temps.Likely had ice build up just behind the de icing system. This would ruin the airflow over the wing causing a loss in lift. Enough ice formed to stall the wing even at high speed. At that point loss of control, at the speed they had enough lift again they would have exceeded the mach number of the airframe. Excellent example of coffin corner in action.
>>545426159>They were trying to fly over the stromIt was known beforehand that storms in this area can quickly grow vertically and reach higher than a Learjets service ceiling so trying to ascend above the weather was a mistake. The captain was authorized to just divert in whatever direction would take him out of the icing conditions so that's what he should have done.
>>545431754Weather radar, which they had on the plane, showed plenty of space and paths around the severe weather, it was completely stupid to plow through it and it cost them. They were diverting before around the larger severe weather but did a b-line through the relatively smaller patch, didn't follow protocol, didn't take the "small" patch seriously, they should have treated it like it was lava, not a suggestion.
>>545432535I am curious how other planes would have fared as that elevator does look undersized.
>>545425893Well just looking at his frontal picture the question seems fairly redundant, doesn't it?
>>545425865at that altitude hitting ice is like hitting solid water
>>545432535Didn't ATC say something like "you are clear around my airspace but you are far off" or something like that and then the next comm was requesting the higher altitude? That's what I don't understand, ATC basically said to go Right and they went Up.
>>545426748>look at it tiny as fuck stabiliizer, tiny as fuck wingsThis is basically it. A Learjet 60 isnt safe to operate in icing conditions at high altitude. Once they had flown themselves into that, the situation was far from "manageable" because trying to gain altitude and fly above the weather isnt safe, and performing a turn and diverting also isnt safe, so your best bet is basically to descend while flying straight ahead. So if you're happening to be flying in the direction of a storm that gets worse as you descend you're a bit fucked.
>>545425865people don't know how CMOS camera sensor works, including the vast majority of the youtube aviation grifters who rush to conclusion from a single frame.
>>545433103They could have gone left or right, left would have been going between the large weather and small patch. I think they didn't take it seriously like they had notably done before and thought they could go through it because it was "small," with maybe overestimating the plane with a chance that plane in particular is under designed to handle bad weather with a small elevator.
>>545425893Fr?
I want to know what patents the rich techfag owned/filed for.
>>545425865same reason white technology has frequent laundry fires lol
>>545426067>expert saysnigger they have sensors that detect iceit's not like when you ignore the smoke detector beep
>>545425865Ice didnt break the plane, a woman did.
>>545434061He started a couple of companies, one of them was to identify anonymous website viewers. video interview of him going over it saying what a great business opportunity it is because everyone else is adverse to breaching privacy laws. basically the flock of web browsing.
>>545425901This. I think the 600-800mph with ice buildup could tear it off. >>545426159They were so close to destination, what's wrong with cruising lower to avoid cold temps? Is rain really that scary for pilots?
>>545434193next you'll tell me pilot tubes can't get blocked
>>545427010Akchually the responsibility is for the co pilot to look up weather, the pilot does the flying while that's happening. But ultimately it was the pilot that trusted the copilot and didn't request a different co pilot. She wasn't even old enough to drink.
>>545434350they were probably boxed in by rapidly growing storms and ran out of time and got caught in one trying to fly over it.
>>545434589Nope. Weather map, flight path and timeline shows otherwise.
>>545426850>indian/Israeli flag>obsessing about bbcPottery
>>545425865Just wait at the door until 1 second before the plane crashes then JUMP UP!, the physics will not fail you. You can do it GIRLBOSS!
>>545425865so you're saying the audio of the pilots talking about getting iced wings on the radio is fake?the wings rely on their shape to accelerate air to different speeds to create lift. Ice changes that shape
>>545425865Read more about stress analysis.
>>545425865Has wing and control surface design that is prone to getting fucked up by small amounts of ice (wing shape stops producing lift when ice forms.)Manufacturer compensates for this by repeatedly warning pilots not to push it beyond it's capabilities. IE never fly it near storms, let alone through one. This incident should be a wake up call to private jet pilots. Every single commercial pilot that has chimed in on this incident mentions how they actively avoid storms by atleast 20nm or more. They typically share a horror story one the one time they didn't and that's why they always do, fuck the fuel and fuck the ATC they just say it's an emergency than it's ok.Learjets but especially this model are really unforgiving if the pilot pushes it beyond it's abilities of if it gets fucked up in a storm. That's why it crashed. Even among private jet pilots the Learjet 60 isn't popular or beloved.
>>545425865ice stalled the plane you retardthe stabilizers tore off as they were doing missile speeds straight into the ground
>>545425992ATC said no when they politely asked to divert SE around the storm front. What a more experienced crew would've done was replied with "I'm not requesting, we need to divert to avoid dangerous weather." Which ATC would've said "ok I'm clearing traffic in that area for you."Sounds biegne but reading some pros accounts of similar incidents it sounds like they should've just told ATC the needed to out flank this storm. One pilot recounted how he once requested a divert around weather and ATC said no then he said "it's not a request" and ATC said "ok you got it go for it."There really wasn't much traffic in that area at the time so they'd have been fine going around it. They needed to make it clear to ATC they needed to go around. You can tell copilot was rattled when they had to try to overfly the storm instead cause the Learjet gets fuckier to fly at higher altitudes (thin air increases odds of coffin cornering which seems to be what happened to them.) Chick gets blamed for not being more assertive to ATC but to be fair pilot should've chimed in with "it's not a request we're diverting around this storm, got it?" Which is totally fine to do. ATC are like women, they like confident assholes.
>>545426748>robust airshipsJust fyi airships were notoriously fragile. Not just the Hindenburg. America abandoned them after a few of ours were destroyed in wind storms. As cool as airships are they don't exist anymore (rigid type I guess meme blimps are still a thing sort of) so none are designed by computers.Wide bodied airliners are the beasts of the skies these days. Not airships, sadly.
>>545425865it doesn't the ice forms on the wings and over time causes the auto pilot to constantly correct with a high angle of attack. so when they tried to climb further they actually entered a stall, but they stalled right in the middle of the updraft which just caused their nose to plummet, they started to pick up speed again, but this pushed them passed their mach boundary before they could react and in the overspeed they broke their tail off.that's my guess.they should have known something was fucky when they were picking up ice and precipitation above 30000 ft and should have diverted and waited out the weather. but they flew for 10 minutes straight into the heart of a storm.
