Serbs have consistently become the worst posters on this board.
Serbs are okay by me.Swedes are probably the worst.
>>545471133This is a retarded Albanian diaspora spammer in Canada who said he's there to conquer it and posted a dead little swedish girl
>>545470794Its only 3-4 threads every day, not as bad as it can get.
>>545472752What I got from this webm was that stupid Serbs were okay with their women getting fucked by Turks just so they could keep their idolatry Trinitarian Christ worship.
>>545471588well good luck to him because if he wants to claim canada for himself he's going to have to go up against several million jeets
>>545472970they grew stronger every time.
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>>545473304Genes common in the Turk tribes like Avars, Gokturks, Osmans, Seljuks, Pechenegs, Cumans
>>545474918Huns and Avars and Seljuks
>>545474953Scythian and Turk
>>545470794Assuming this meme was made by a Bosnian, or Albanian, your only argument is that Serbs didn’t just allow themselves to be genocided and for a time, made concessions? When you literally converted religion to gain favor in the ottoman court?Yeah bro I don’t think that cuts the way you think it does as at best it just means they are slight pussies and you’re a massive one
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>>545475156YDNA is passed from father to son - look at this then. Did Jesus save your bloodline?>>545474918>>545474953>>545475084
>>545472970Brotha. You literally discarded your entire identity and religion for better favors and you wanna try and criticize Serbs for surviving until they had the strength to fight back?
>>545472752It's nice how you trust these ultranationalists when they do this atrocity porn but when they say total allahniger death they are not to be trusted
>>545475310I’m only like 1/8 Serb and the rest is Swedish and northern Italian. But your ancestors literally converted to get special favors from a hostile foreign enemy. And you criticize the people who at least resisted them the best they could.Meanwhile they bodied your supposedly superior genes in the 90s and the only thing that saved you was nato.Explain this
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>>545474918>>545474953>>545475084>>545472970Albanians closest match to Turks in the Balkans
>>545475535Dont talk to this retard, he´s just a mentally ill shqipnigger living far away from his holy dardania KEK
>>545473310>Keeps spamming the same image from 2021 floods that flooded landfills and carried it in the river, got cleaned in a week, just so he can project>Albania is more polluted than India>Population 2 million>https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/rankings_by_country.jsp>According to the Quality of Life Survey conducted by the European Commission, around 17% of respondents said they lack a toilet or shower at home17% of albanians don't have working showers or toilets>17% of albanians don't have working showers or toilets17% of albanians don't have working showers or toilets>(the highest in europe, 4x higher than the next) (Macedonia, large albanian population)https://www.balkanweb.com/en/Survey-shows-Albanians-have-unsanitary-and-damp-homes/#gsc.tab=0
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>>545475313>>545475535Serbs rather prefer a dick in their ass than losing their blind faith that can easily be debunked? Anyways, I hope you’re aware that these lands were previously arian in belief so Islam isn’t that much different from it. Serbs were freed by Russia and England and France, they never fought out of their own accord. Even in the 90’s the west banned weapon sales to everyone that fought the Serbs. Lots of fake history you are spouting 1/8 turkrapebaby
>>545475648retarded turkrape bot
>>545475717Can you ask yourself if these Serbs are white or European looking? Just look at them.>inb4 they’re gypsies and nepalisThey’re throwing up their Chetnik gang sign and have Serbian phenotypes. Yes you are not European.
>Turkey donates to Albania>Albania builds the largest mosque in Europe
>>545470794Oh no, he found the threadIt is over for Albanians now
>>545475874>Serbs were freed by Russia and England and France, they never fought out of their own accordShiptar alternate history is amazing, where do they teach you this
>>545470794You're literally an analbaboonian nigger living on gibs in Canada.Kindly remove yourself.
>>545476026>I post Albanians>He posts gypsies >Might post southern Serbs with gypsies bussed in (cluster closer to Albanians and Bulgarians than rest of the Serbs)>Meanwhile the only white Albanians are Slavic assimilated onesBelgrade school in reality
>>545476132lol copehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Adrianople_(1829)
>>545476251Gypsies? They’re Serbs but yes for outsiders we might as well consider them one and the same.
>>545476026
>>545476026>inb4 they´re gypsies and nepalisWell they are Gypsies you fucking retard, they just happen to identify with the serbian state and people wich is fine my book as long as they behave civilized.Now when it comes to you shqipniggers, you ALL tend to be small, violent, brown and criminal LMAO. At least the ones from KOSOVA and FYROMI swear to god you shizo, i bet your last name is Osmani or something like that hahaha
>>545476333All it does is show you're aware you can't compare to ethnic Serbs, so you have to post gypsies and your genetic kin in southern Serbia
>>545473073https://www.gbnews.com/news/albanians-top-list-most-arrests-per-population-uk
>>545476488Same in Greece, Albanians make up 4% of the population, yet 25% of convicts. Worse than African Americans.
>>545476263Serbs already did the heavy lifting, Russians just cemented the autonomyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Revolution
>>545476403They’re Serbs, not gypsies. But yes we can’t tell. Very difficult.
>>545476610
>>545476617ok Ibrahimi
>>545476610>>545476664What's the difference between her, a paleo Balkan Albanian and this Turkish foid celeb dating a Serbian celeb? Nothing except the Turkish foid is more tanned, there was no difference between Balkans and Anatolians prior to Slavic migrations and bleaching the Paleo Balkan monkeys..
Can someone please explain to me what caused the Albanians to so enthusiastically join forces with the Turks against their neighboring nations?
>>545476610>>545476664>>545476703Rita Ora, Albanian po(rn)p-star>Dyed hair, naturally black>Darkest eyes>Brown skin
>>545476599Nope, you were bound to get crushed. Besides that this happened. Literally not of your own accord. Even in 1878 after you chimped out and got crushed by ottomans you had to he saved by Russia again.
>>545475731>>Albania is more polluted than India>>Population 2 million>>https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/rankings_by_country.jsp>>According to the Quality of Life Survey conducted by the European Commission, around 17% of respondents said they lack a toilet or shower at home>17% of albanians don't have working showers or toilets>>17% of albanians don't have working showers or toilets>17% of albanians don't have working showers or toilets>>(the highest in europe, 4x higher than the next) (Macedonia, large albanian population)>https://www.balkanweb.com/en/Survey-shows-Albanians-have-unsanitary-and-damp-homes/#gsc.tab=0Albania in all its history : 2 medals, India tierSlovenia, same population, 30 years of independence: 58 medals
>>545476859Serbia won more medals last Olympics in tennis, basketball and shooting than Albania in its entire history
>>545476709Serbs were conquered, Albanians merely made an alliance. Keep the blood clean and the land intact. You prefer Albanians get raped like Serbs? Just look were they originally came from.
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>>545476814>Literally not of your own accordhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/of-own-accord
>>545476935Google search debunks all Albanian lies in 0.2s, no relation between sarbans and Serbs genetically, historically or linguistically.>There is no genetic , linguistic, or historical connection
>>54547695413th century AD turkblood proven
>>545476954Nikola Jokić, confirmed N2-P189.2Meanwhile Albanians >>545476351
>>545476709I suppose serving as a fifth column for the Turks had its perks, but one would've expected the Albanians to put their differences aside and unite against a common outside enemy. It's just a mystery to me.
>>545470794No serb ever called me a nigger.
>>545477000Yes see this>>545476814Slave…
>>545476996Meant you>>545477167
>>545477224Serb man fucks pig in ass
>>545473073Albanian ISIS member who threatened the Balkans
>>545477304>>545473073Albanian ISIS member
>>545477304>>545477376>>545476046>>545473073Albanian ISIS member
>>545477122Are you really being a low iq nigger here? Serbs are the shittiest people in Europe.
>>545477167Russia pressured serbs to fight the ottomans?
>>545473073>>545476488>>545476542>Since the late 1990s, Albania has had a reputation as a global leader in human trafficking.>ECPAT Albania estimated that in 2018 alone, over 5,000 Albanian children were victims of international trafficking.>Albanian Law Does Not Protect Children From Being Exploited Through Prostitution>Albanian woman, Sara, was kept as a sex slave>Albanians traffic Albanian, British, and Ukrainian children to the highest bidder for sexual exploitation
>>545477000You have the Sarbi YDNA, Albanians do not.
>>545477481Yes. They were good slaves that barely revolted, Albanians revolted 10 times more but it was a matter of payment and some land.
>>545476935Serbs get their dark skin from their Paleo-Balkan blood, the actual rape babies are the Croats who look more Slavic.
>>545477704It’s from this instead.>>545477531
>>545477531>Posted the vlach heat map award like a disingenuous retard>Still only 2.3%Serbs original dna is I2, there's no speculation about that and it confirms that Serbs and Croats were West Slavic tribes that migrated to the Balkans and conquered it. I.e. it's a pre-indo-european haplogroup.We also know that any I is more related to any other I than to any E or R or J due to coming from the same parent clades. We also know that applies to any E, any R and any J. So the map here is telling even if we forget autosomal >>545475594and maternal >>545475648
>>545477596>When looking at the overall balance of centuries spent under Ottoman rule, Albanians fought the most for the empire by providing thousands of elite troops and dozens of high-ranking leaders across the globe, while Serbs fought the most against it by launching continuous, systemic rebellions and wars of independence that ultimately helped dismantle Ottoman rule in the Balkans. Conversely, Serbs fought the least for the empire after the 16th century as their role shifted almost entirely to anti-Ottoman resistance, while Bosnian Muslims fought the least against it, directing their weapons toward Istanbul only in specific instances to defend their regional autonomy or when they felt abandoned by central imperial reforms.
>>545477596>barely revoltedSerbian uprisings against Ottoman ruleYear Uprising Location1594 Banat Uprising Banat1596–1597 Herzegovina Uprising Herzegovina1688–1690 Serbian revolts during the Great Turkish War Kosovo and central Serbia1717–1718 Vučitrn Uprising Kosovo1737–1739 Serbian Uprising Raška and surrounding regions1788–1791 Koča's Frontier Rebellion Central Serbia1804–1813 First Serbian Uprising Central Serbia1814 Hadži Prodan's Rebellion Central Serbia1815 Second Serbian Uprising Central Serbia1834 Serbian revolt in Bosnia Bosnia1841 Niš Rebellion Southern Serbia1875–1878 Herzegovina Uprising and Bosnian revolt Bosnia and Herzegovina
>>545477862>>545477596Serbia has the largest list of conflicts against the Ottomans in the world, while other Balkan countries like Bulgaria, Greece and Albania have less overall than Serbia has in one decade.Serbs were also bordermen and military guard in the Austria-hungarian empire, especially in Vojvodina (hence battleland) and Croatia (hence srpska krajina), where they were given permission to settle near the borders after Serbia and Bosnia fell, in exchange for military protection. This means that even in Austria Hungary and Croatia, a significant portion of the soldiers were Serbs, fighting for their flags, not Croats.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian%E2%80%93Ottoman_conflicts
>>545477938Albanians had over 100 revolts but were always paid off in the end.
Austrian campaign, ottoman siege of Vienna, foreign fighters for the ottomans by ethnicity.Albanians were literally the enforcers of ottoman rule, and fought the most for the ottomans, just didn't have a state >>545477952>>545477862
>>545477952lmao
>>545478126Serbs were not good soldiers or warriors. Entire reason you exist in the first place was because of opportunism and bigger players fighting with each other. As soon as you dingholes become topdog by accident and face another big state you shit the bed like pic related.
>>545478280t.
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>>545478408Battle of Kosare, embarrassing Serb defeat by Albanians
wait is this serb faggit the same one from /int/ that doxxed himself? this retard actually has psychosis
>>545478280>20000 women raped by SerbsEstimates for the number of people raped during the 1998–1999 Kosovo War generally center around 20,000 victims, though exact figures remain unverified due to social stigma and underreporting
>>545478461>boasting about genocide again >whines when he gets his shit pushed in
>>545474918Look at these stupid names. Look at these fucking retards. Ha.
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>>545478579I think so, he’s from some political family. Incredibly stupid individual using a bot I’m told and then occasionally making his own post to not lose too much izzat
>>545478579>>545478230>t.picrel
>>545478230>>545478579>>545478628>>545478722>Turks only left in Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Kosovo, Macedonia and Muslim countries that hid them, where they assimilated (Bosnia, Albania)>Local converts spared (Bosnian Muslims)
>>545478587Keep boasting smdija pig fucker but your fate is already sealed.
>>545477774>the geographic distribution of one uninterrupted paternal lineageYou realize that says almost nothing about their full ancestry? And that Cyprus is even stronger in that image than Serbia?
>>545478628the irony is you're more related to the fake turks than uzbeks are
>>545478786Yes, it shows how they are related. It’s at 4% males which is large. This particular gene, J2b1 is not found in any ancient European gravesite. It’s self evident it came with the old Serbs previously called Sarbs
>>545473073>>545471588>>545471133>>545473304there are 7-10 MILLION ALBANIANS in the world, ONLY 2 MILLION LIVE IN ALBANIAABOUT 20% OF THE 10 MILLION LIVE IN TURKEYSWITZERLAND IS 6.6% ALBANIAN DUE TO RAPEFUGEESRAPEFUGEETHERE ARE 50K TURKS IN KOSOVO, MORE IF YOU COUNT ASSIMILATEDhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanianshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Turkey
>>545478875LOL, Turks have more Slavic admixture than Serbs or Croats have Turkish >>545477704>>545475648
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>>545479063Autosomal dna is more influence by maternal dna than paternal dna, do you understand what the means? Are you like 20 or something?
>>545478962And by the way it's the ethnically Greek part of Cyprus in the south that has the strongest instance of that haplogroup, from your map. And besides, the Serbs started as a Slavic expansion out of a marshy part of Poland or Ukraine before absorbing tons of Paleo-Balkan blood and culture.
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>>545479445Don’t know but it’s from Iran. It’s not from Europe, zero recorded ancient gravesite individual bears this gene.
>>545476488>>545476542>>545477530
>>545478875This video of a homosexual croat/albo stepping on a Serbian flag while fighting for a jewish president before getting blown up by a drone almost destroyed SerbiaNEVER post this again albo
>>545479063It's not even Turkish lol it's just west Anatolian admixture
>>545471133>SwedesIt's probably also a Serbian
Albanians name their kid after Tony Blair "Tonibler" then proceed to commit the most crime in the UK (2x more than Afghanis)>>545476488, rape more than somalis >>545479775
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>>545479918t.kosovar rapefugee in Norway that's a regular in these threads Albanians so strong they WONNED against Afghanistan in Norway too
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>>545478230 YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE ALBOS RIGHT BELOW THE SERBIAN NAMESBAHAHAHA
>>545475594>>545480193Albanians come from MENA, not that surprising
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>>545479743Ancient remains are hard to come by especially when cremation was common among indigenous Europeans around the Alps. You no doubt already know that there was an enormous influx of farmers into Europe from Africa and/or Asia (still racially white) during the Neolithic so a DNA map can link Europe to the Middle East in all sorts of ways.
>>545480598Cope, plenty of pre cremation and post cremation era gravesites all over Europe. For instance we have plenty of pre cremation Hellenic and Roman sites. And cremation wasn’t the sole funerary practice at any point in time. You’re coping about unknown unknowns, the truth is that Albanians completely lack this Iranian gene while Serbs have it.
>centuries long alliance with turkey continues>Turkey donates free equipment to Albania and Kosovo
Albanian war criminal
>>545480954>>545481020
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>>545480973>Cope, plenty of pre cremation and post cremation era gravesites all over Europe. For instance we have plenty of pre cremation Hellenic and Roman sites. And cremation wasn’t the sole funerary practice at any point in time. You’re coping about unknown unknowns, the truth is that Albanians completely lack this Iranian gene while Serbs have it.
>>545480973"Iranian gene"what Iranian gene?Btw if we have that gene so do all other Slavs so i need proof for that
>>545481255He thinks vlachs (a paleo Balkan peoples) = Iranian, it's literally a heat map of vlachs hence they also have it in the south
>>545480973Albanians are literally part-Turkish just like their language, meanwhile Serbs show no substantial ancestry outside of the Paleo-Balkan and Slavic mix.
>>545481255This one>>545477531Not all slavs have it, it’s mostly found in Serbs, around 4% of Males, 100% associated with this ancient migration >>545476935Albanians do not have this gene. 0%. 0% in ghegs. Tosks have it at 1% but tosks have more Slavic YDNA so…
>>54548142870-80% of Albanian surnames are Turkish LOLAlbanian serial killer in Greece
>>545481428Albanians have zero Turkic ancestry while Serbs have plenty>>545474918>>545474953>>545475084
>>545481618And of course Serbian language significantly more Turkish in mixture than Albanian. When will the serboons admit the obvious? Genes, culture, language…
>>545481358Nope, highest frequency is in Vojvodina which was infested with Serbs after ww1.
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>>545482168But enough with your genetic brothers from southern Serbia and E haplogroupReal Serbs >>545476251 >picrel Albanians
>>545481526>>545481358Ok so i had to fact check this homosexual Albanianhttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/j2b1-m205-introduced-to-eupedia.34743/This shit formed 6k years ago and it's not even confirmed whether it came from Iran or the Caucasus and then it spread to the Levant and then to the Balkans he already made a mistake thereSecondly it's thought to have spread from Kura Araxes culture and guess who is closer to Kura Araxes LOL
>>545482347You posted gypsies, your brothers. Here’s some Serbs.
This is how I imagine you:Brown, ~30, min wage, obese and low iq
>>545482474>Posts southern Serbs again>Cluster closer to Albanians and Bulgarians than rest of Serbs
>>545482471Not found in a single ancient European gravesite, not found in a single gheg Albanian but plenty in your kind. Not indigenous to Balkans, brought by Serboi tribe.
>>545482558How I imagine you>>545482641Cope, it’s in Belgrade>inb4 they bussed in people from nis or someshitYou’re embarrassing.
>>545482474Reality, school sports competition in Vojvodina and celebration of Serbia 's success at Olympics >>545476910>>545476859
>>545482828Highest frequency region for Sarbani YDNA from Pakistan >>545477531
>>545482667You gave 0 proof Serbs are related to the Serboi tribeAccording to the heatwave map you are closer to the people who spread it than i am despite it being rare in muh gag albos
>>545482981Kek, what a looping lying retard.1) has nothing to do with Pakistan, but Iran2) is a vlach clade, literally a heat map of vlachs3) is 2.3%, roughly same in Albania4) I1 for example, which is Scandinavian, is 8% in Serbia, non-existent in Albania >>5454804235) your lies are so low effort that they get debunked by google in 0.2s >>545477000>>545477000>>There is no genetic , linguistic, or historical connection
>>545483143I gave plenty of proof but you’re just a thick skulled kvetching tard. You don’t know what half of what you’re saying means. Like heat maps,,,, that’s frequency and autosomal dna is mostly maternally influenced…shit man
>>545483512Lol another debunk
>>5454834081)yes right next to Afghanistan which sarbs came from and right next to Iran2)it’s not vlach found highest in Vojvodina and low in Transylvania, Wallachian and eastern Serbia in comparison 3)it’s not 2.3% lying boon, 0.5 average because it’s 1% of tosks and literally 0% of ghegs4)I1 is unfortunately found in 4% of Albanians according to rrenjet and your own map stupidYou’re a dishonest shameless turd
>>545483704Nope.
>>545483143Historians, geneticists and linguists are all in consensus there is no connection, and his source is a single alboriginal blog on familypedia. There is a theory that south Slavs and Germanics come from Iran, but not Pakistan. The two are unrelated. The Iran one is entertained by geneticists, linguists and historians, while the Pakistan thing is so fringe and lacks any merit, that it's immediately disregarded, because a literal Albanian blog is where it comes from.Google debunks it 0.2s.Instead of coming from Iran, Albanians come from MENA
>>545484054It’s from Pakistan, the Sarbani valley… you have their YDNA, you have Turkic YDNA, and you have more non-E-v13 E1b than Albanians, even more J2a, even more G2a. Literally you have more non European blood lines than Albanians and more Turkish words in your language too.
>>545483916Yes lying Serb turd lied again, different anon but they’re all the same. My YDNA tool shows absolutely zero J2b1 YDNA before 200 AD. Only two found in 250 AD, one in Italy and one in Britain. Probably slaves.https://www.exploreyourdna.com/Tools/HaplogroupExplorer?q=J2b1&type=ydna&dateFrom=-5000&dateTo=500
>>545481618>what are subcladesYou realize there are different subclades of I, right albonon? That the variant of I in Scandinavia, the Balkans, and Sardinia is entirely different and reflects thousands of years of branching and indepent development?By way of those graphs and your logic, Swedes and Norwegians have more turk DNA than the Balkans. I genuinely want to hear how your brain reconciles those differences.
Why do mods allow blatant botposting like this?He made a LLM to flood every thread mentioning the Balkans. He even admitted to it.He breaks both the no spamming/flooding rule and the automated spambot rule, not to mention the off-topic rule because he made the entire thread about Albanians for some reason. Why is this allowed?Here he is, outright saying he made a bot to spam the board several times:https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/544305371/#544313723https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/543661551/#543675008https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/545038528/#545047304Does this board even have moderation anymore? Presumably yes, since someone had to sticky that thread on the top of the catalog. Why do they allow this retard to destroy all discussions like this?
>>545484753independent*
>>545484292>Muh Pakistan muh lie that gets debunked with one searchRepeating a lie does not make it true. Iran theory is Caucasus, about as distant from Afghanistan as the Balkans.Calling Germans, Lithuanians, Finns, Serbs, Croats poles, danes, swedes etc as Turks when you're the closest match and look virtually the same shows your cognitive dissonance>More noneuropean bloodAlmost all of your blood is near eastern that's only classified as European due to political reasons. E, J and G are all near eastern. Your only European blood is ironically enough Slavic from Serbs. Our only brown and non European blood is from brown Paleo balkaners, hence southern Serbia looking like your Jeet tier people and having E haplogroup instead of I2>LanguageThat's just archaic words that are still in the dictionary, whereas you simply removed archaic words.Your culture, genetics, religion, language, flag, height and so on make you the black sheep of Europe, and the only ones you share something with are ironically Turks.
>>545484753Yes, here’s the subclades for N>>545477057 that Serbs have lol Turk of course
>>545483916"Nope"Retard i just showed you IT IS Europeanalso you have more J2 than Serbs>>545484054Yeah, it's agreed that Slavs and Germanics both came from Corded Ware but Albos still haven't figured out it yet lol
>>545484742>muh self selected sample of 80 for Albanians, statistically invalid>still only 0.036>unrelatedClustering close is due to a similar broad ratio of Early European Farmer (EEF) and Western Steppe Herder (WSH) ancestry. It does not mean they have your genes (they don't, there's no descendant correlation between Hellenes, Romans and you)>0.036AUSTRIAN EMPIRE WUZ SERBIAN EMPIRE, WE WUZ AUSTRIANS!
>>545484927You’re lying right now, even your precious Gemini says you’re lying.>E, J and G are not European Okay, way older in the Balkans than your genes and your subclades are not the European ones. That’s means you have non European blood.>languageCope about Serbs having the most Turkish words lol
>>545485134No you didn’t show shit, post a sample, post an ID, post a study. J2b1 is not a European ydna.>albanians have more J2Yes J2b2-l283, 20% in Albanians, but barely 2% in Serbs because it is Illyrian and Serbs aren’t.
>>545485328It doesn't matter how old something is, but whom you share it with. You share your blood with Turks, Greeks, Bulgarians, south Italians and north Africans. We share it with other Europeans.
>>545485631
>>545485146Yes, their YDNA has proven Albanic origin, proven a billion times already.
>>545484742Retarded autism but why not show a heatmap of the kura axes aka the one i sent
/thread
>>545485631>it doesn’t matter how old it isYes it does, you belong in Russia or India not Balkans. You share same lineages there.
>>545485758That’s autosomal DNA, you are sidestepping the issue of there being zero J2b1 sample in ancient Europe. Typical dishonest Serb.
>>545485796See, same cope again. You don't belong in Europe:1) genetically2) linguistically3) religiously4) culturally5) physically (height, physiognomy)6) flag wise7) everything wise probably lol
>>545478994>there are 7-10 MILLION ALBANIANS in the world, ONLY 2 MILLION LIVE IN ALBANIA>ABOUT 20% OF THE 10 MILLION LIVE IN TURKEY>SWITZERLAND IS 6.6% ALBANIAN DUE TO RAPEFUGEESRAPEFUGEE>THERE ARE 50K TURKS IN KOSOVO, MORE IF YOU COUNT ASSIMILATED>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Turkey
Serbs are so lowly they worship Russians, who are honorary niggers.
>>545475731>>Albania is more polluted than India>>Population 2 million>>https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/rankings_by_country.jsp>>According to the Quality of Life Survey conducted by the European Commission, around 17% of respondents said they lack a toilet or shower at home>17% of albanians don't have working showers or toilets>>17% of albanians don't have working showers or toilets>17% of albanians don't have working showers or toilets>>(the highest in europe, 4x higher than the next) (Macedonia, large albanian population)>https://www.balkanweb.com/en/Survey-shows-Albanians-have-unsanitary-and-damp-homes/#gsc.tab=0
>>545485939THERE IS you fucking idiot i just sent you the Eupedia article why didn't you read italso L283 is not exclusive to IllyriansBut i don't know why you are obsessed with haplos, if we went simply by haplos then Indians would be whiter than Balts lol
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>>545486090It’s all you projecting Serb turd.
>>545470794many are saying this
>>545486685If there is then say the sample ID or study because I know there isn’t. Already posted the tool I used to find that out. >l283 is not exclusive to IllyrianYou’re right, found in ancient myceaneans, ancient pre republic Romans and Yamnaya. J2b1 not found in a single ancient gravesite from illyrians. Literally not a single one, not Roman, not Thracian, not Dacian, not Hellenic not a single one.
>>545486787Yes, look at itt one poster posting way more than me for some reason
>94pbtturkrapebaby
>>545486782>height Serbs love posting this cope but even their precious LLM have stated that Albanians have always been historically taller than Serbs.
>>545487784Good that we have modern genetic studies showing that people from Herzegovina are the tallestbut sure use that retarded coon who was biased and got disproven
>>545488056Genetics such as I2 also found highly in Sardinians which are the shortest Europeans in all of Europe? You’re really just trying to grab at anything to win lol how pathetic.
>>545488266>>545487784>Reality
>>545487031Those are two completely different claimsJ2b1 M205 has been found in ancient European remains including Roman period samples. I never claimed it was proven to be specifically Illyrian so stop being a street shitter and accept it
>>545488056Oldest J2b1 found in Europe, literally Latifunida slave, subclade likely from Cyprus. Serbian J2b1 is from Iran, no doubt. From Sarban people that became Serboi people in Claudius Ptolemy geographica.
>>545488482Can’t even do it, we all know since you know well some genetics, that using samples from imperial Rome is not in any way ancient Europe since they imported brown people from Middle East.>>545488506You can find a single J2b1 native sample from Balkans because it was never from Balkans like J2b2-L283. Btw their last common ancestor lived over 10,000 years ago but that is historically irrelevant.
>>545488708*cant find
>>545488458Reality, Serbs committed terrorism on Albanians in almost every way and you even boast about it. Albanians have always been historically taller than Serbs. Just a fact of life, that is being reversed now since ghegs in Kosovo average 5’11 and the samples in Albania are not correct but either way it’s pushing upwards back to historical normalcy.
>>545470794What blows my mind is that Serbs seem based and redpilled IRL but they post the most faggoty pro-EU, pro-jewish takes possible online and on this board. It's almost like the Serb flags on this board are JIDF jews using VPN . . .
>>545488506It is not established that the York individual was a slave nor has a Cypriot origin been demonstrated.You also have no conclusive evidence that Serbian J2b1 originated in Iran I have already proven how retard that claim isAnd there is 0 genetic evidence linking Ptolemy's Serboi to J2b1.
>>545488934Reality is you started the conflict in Kosovo by attacking Serbian police officersyou even got classified as terrorists by Americans lol
>>545489399Don’t you get tired of losing all your arguments?
>>545489848I give up either you are disingenous or you are just trollinggive an actual argument and i will respond
>>545489848That was the York sample from 250 AD. Also from 250 AD, Italian sample of J2b1. These are the two known J2b1 samples in Europe but not from before late Roman Empire. They are not indigenous to Europe let alone Balkans. And Serbs have this YDNA at 4%, Albanians 0%.
>>545490116The argument is these aren’t European YDNA from ancient Europe. Latifunida slaves. At best you can say they are soldiers of Severus…Serb J2b1 is not from that since Albanians would naturally have it too.
>>545489608Serbs had a genocidal policy for Albanians you seem to forget this. Tito tired to tard wrangle you but in the end Serbs stole the presidency, reduced rights for Albanians and killed protestors. You started this.
>spammer got bannedThank you janny.
>>545490687“Hahaha, well I told you why I do it. Since everything is a loop as far as the discussion is concerned, it's not a waste of time but I can train the llm and align it with my organic posts and arguments.”Good
>>545470794kill urself albo nigger
>>545490242You are confusing the oldest discovered sample with the actual origin of a haplogroup Just because the oldest samples that were found date to Roman times doesnt mean M205 magically appeared in Europe in 250 ad ancient DNA sampling is limited that is not proof of absenceAnd your 0% albanian claim is based on shitty tiny samples(55 jfl) not the entire albanian populationThere are literally albanian M205 carriers in current DNA databasesYou can argue for a near eastern origin but stop presenting your migration theories as established facts you have no proof that M205 was absent from the prehistoric Balkans either
>>545490438There is no proof that the York individual was a slave or that the grave was filled with slaves and that doesn't change the fact that M205 was present in Roman EuropeYou are confusing the presence of a haplogroup with its place of originAnd why would Serbian M205 automatically have to be found among albanians jfl Modern pops dont inherit every paternal lineage from every ancient population that inhabited the BalkansYou still haven't demonstrated that Serbian M205 came from Iran and you didn't prove when it entered the Balkans, you are treating your own BS migration hypothesis as established fact
>>545491830Yes I’m aware duh, there are zero ancient samples of J2b1 in Europe, zero. Maybe I should’ve have stated pre antiquity. The only two samples from late antiquity are Semitic racially from 250 AD.And Albanians do not have this gene, ghegs. Literally zero. My source is rrenjet that has 2000 Albanians tested, literally just 12 Albanians have J2b1 and they are all tosks. Tosks have this gene because they have more Slav roots than ghegs and Serbs tried colonizing south Albania for decades in 14th century plus committed many crimes.
>>545492647Serbian J2b1 is not from the Balkans because there are zero ancient samples from there. It’s not from caucus either since only Armenians have it and others don’t, and Armenians are related to Iranians that have it so it’s crystal clear. It’s important to understand this point, ghegs would naturally have this gene if it were native because ghegs have all the other associated ancient Balkan culture genes and even western Hunter gather I2-M223 which is 2% in Albanians and Serbs have same 2% frequency of this specific subclade denoting it was also ancient Balkans.
>>545492664You are literally CONTRADICTING Rrenjtt itself lol their own M205 page estimates it at around 1% among albanians and identifies three separate albanian branches including one found in northern albanian territories between Koplik and ShkrelThey also identify M205 branches in Gjirokaster so your claim that it's exclusively Tosk is WRONGAnd where exactly is your evidence that the Tosk M205 carriers acquired it through Slavic ancestry? Rrënjët actually discusses an eastern origin for these branches not some proven Slavic introductionand also to respond to your Kosovo claims you have attacked Serbs during ww2 and were mass imported by Tito after ww2YOU officialy started the conflict by forming the "KLA" a TERRORIST oragnization
>>545494445Yes it’s tosk. Gjirokaster is tosk land, here we have 12 people, from 1200 samples but total in rrenjet is 2000 so it’s less than 1%. And 2-3 dudes out of 1400 ghegs is practically statistically zero.>you have attacked Serbs since ww2Serbs were literally genociding and writing plans to steal and colonize Albanian lands before that.>>545477469Kosovo was majority Albanian before Yugoslavia even existed. Serbs started it.
>>545493651First of all M205 is NOT only found in Armenians so that's one wrong already because it is found in Georgia,Azerbaijan,Syria,Lebanon etc..Second you used genetic relatedness between them and the Iranian to establish the origin of that haplo that alone is extremely retarded but it's your SECOND mistakeI2 M223 is not specific to one specific Balkan haplogroup family and it does not establish we got it from the same ancient popsAlso claiming ghegs would naturally have M205 if it were indigenous and is flawed because of genetic drigs,pop bottlenecks and etcYou are confusing modern haplogroup distribution with prehistoric pop history
>>545494445>And where exactly is your evidence that the Tosk M205 carriers acquired it through Slavic ancestry?From this
>>545495485Map clearly shows zero for Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kavkaz mountains.
>>545495373Gjirokaster is Tosk territory i never said anything about that and sure M205 is clearly rare among Ghegs based on those numbers but rare does NOT mean historically absent You're still using modern pop frequencies to make claims about prehistoric pops and unless you have ancient DNA from the relevant pops you CANNOT establish that M205 was absent from ancient northern albania or the Balkans>>545495534This is related how?>>545495731The FTDNA derived M205 database actually lists carriers from Georgia and AzerbaijanYou are confusing a map of tested individuals with the actual distribution of an entire populationAlso Rrenjet itself lists Y22059 families in northern albanian territories including lohje and rec. I am not gonna claim this proves ancient gheg M205 but you cannot pretend the lineage is exclusively southern eitherShow actual genetic evidence for the Slavic introduction theory instead of using a medieval historical figure as proof.
>>545496704Literally you said 1 gheg, out of 1400 ghegs. The other 11 are tosks. Such a stupid point you’re trying to make because it’s 1 person.>unless you have ancient DNA from the relevant pops you CANNOT establish that M205 was absent from ancient northern albania or the BalkansKek yes I can because there are no ancient dna samples because they never existed, the onus is on you to prove they did and you’re trying to use unknown known arguments which is not an argument just cope. >this is related howSerb terrorized south Albania for decades and tried exterminating and replacing Albanians. His own words. Reason why J2b1 is in tosks today.>Georgian and Azeri carriersAnd less than 0.5% total, any carriers are Armenian or Iranian in origin. >you cannot prove lineage is exclusively southernYes i can because it’s 1 or 3 in 1400 is called statistical noise, literally less than 0.2% and probably from recent tosk movements.
>>545497643I am not disputing that M205 is extremely rare among ghegs But you are jumping from low modern frequency to a specific historical migration theory WITHOUT proving ithaving 1 to 3 carriers out of 1400 does NOT establish that they descend from recent tosk migrants that is yet ANOTHER assumption you have NOT proven.and thomas preljubovic being involved in medieval conflicts with albanians has absolutely nothing to do with the YDNA of modern tosk M205 families do you have of his YDNA results or any genetic connection between him and those families?also your map argument is misleading the FTDNA derived database lists 4 Georgian and 4 Azerbaijani M205 kits but the map hides locations with fewer than 3 carriers so blank doesn't mean zeroalso not claiming prehistoric gheg M205 has been proven i am asking you to stop presenting an unproven Iranian or Slavic migration theory as established fact as you still need actual genetic evidence for it
>>5454986231 in 1400 ghegs being J2b1 doesn’t prove it was always there amongst GHEGS. Never, none, you’re pilpuling now. One guy, literally one guy, out of 1400. Clearly, I mean clearly is a tosk transplant. Or descended from a Serb. Literally just 1 guy.>this is an assumptionIt’s pilpul. Practically (statistically) zero percent in ghegs, 1% in tosks. Any ghegs that do have it like the 1 you stated is a tosk or Serb. >>>545498623>thomas preljubovic being involved in medieval conflicts with albanians has absolutely nothing to do with the YDNA of modern tosk M205 familiesRape, migration. Seems like it to me. >again with Georgia and AzeriAgain, less than 1% so figure it out yourself. Azeris and Iranian are same religion, instance of migration recently. Georgia has an Armenian community, instance of assimilation. You can cope about assumption but it’s reality based on facts and analysis.>stop presenting an unproven Iranian or Slavic migration theory as established fact as you still need actual genetic evidence for itYou can call it unproven theory but it’s all based on fact and analysis, etymology of Serbs, the records from ancient Roman writers and same J2b1 YDNA, it’s not from Semitic levant because ghegs would have it as much as Serbs or Greeks but ghegs do not. You can pilpul the 1 or 3 guys tested out of 1400 ghegs, literal pilpul and statistical noise
>>545499899I am not disputing that M205 is practically absent among ghegs based on your sample but you are still making assumptions about the ancestry of the few carriers and you have NOT demonstrated that they are tosk migrants or descendants of serbsAnd thomas preljubovic being involved in rape or migration does NOT establish a genetic connection to modern tosk M205 families where is the actual YDNA evidence connecting him or his descendants to those lineages? lolYour georgian and azerbaijani argument is also just speculation because you can't just assign every carrier armenian or iranian ancestry based on geography and religionAnd the idea that ghegs would necessarily have M205 if it originated in the levant is nonsense, we know that founder effects and genetic drift can produce completely different frequencies between populationsAlso i am not claiming Serbian M205 is proven indigenous Balkan i am just saying you have NOT established your Iranian origin theory either, show the downstream genetic evidence and actual historical connection instead of filling the gaps with assumptions
>>545501167I’m telling you that the single gheg with J2b1 is a tosk. You’re being ridiculous when telling me that I am assuming they are tosk without any concrete proof, I don’t know the person and can’t possibly find his real family tree to properly suss him out.>where is the actual dna evidence linking Thomas with tosksThe fact that J2b1 is absent in ghegs, found in tosks, Greeks and Serbs. Serbs having also endlessly raped the Greeks.I’m not going to discuss anymore about Georgia or Azeri, because you’re pilpuling hard. It’s not a kavkaz gene period.>And the idea that ghegs would necessarily have M205 if it originated in the levant is nonsense, we know that founder effects and genetic drift can produce completely different frequencies between populationsThey would, stop with the bs you’re now doing baseless assumptions about bottlenecks. J1 is found in 1.5% ghegs on rrenejet, and 1.2% of Serbs in poreklo. So why isn’t the Semitic variety of J2b1 found in ghegs and assuming (that Serbian J2b1 is Semitic and not Iranian) found in Serbs, if J1 is found both Albanians and Serbs and is from the levant????
nah, its jews. and it isnt even close.
>>545470794
>>545502624Your J1 comparison does NOT prove anything because J1 M267 and J2b1 M205 are completely different paternal lineages with different downstream branches and migration historiesJust because J1 occurs at similar frequencies among ghegs and serbs doesn't mean every other mear eastern associated haplogroup should also occur at similar frequenciesYou are assuming that populations must retain identical frequencies of different paternal lineages simply because they share some ancestry but that's not how population genetics worksAnd the Sidon sample proves M205 existed in the Bronze Age Levant but it doesn't prove that Serbian M205 came directly from Iran JFL nor does it mean ghegs must carry it at the same frequency as serbsYou are STILL confusing evidence for an ancient geographical presence with proof of a specific migration routebut since you want to take it this far if you go by being pure European past bronze age then neither serbs or albanians fit that mark
>>545504403Same guy accusing me of baseless assumptions, pilpuls endlessly and then shamelessly goes on to say Tito mass imported 100k Albanians into Kosovo even though Albanians were already the established majority in Kosovo in the 1922 census. And any Albanians that RETURNED were from there but were displaced by previous decades of Serb barbarism. You’re that ridiculous.>You are assuming that populations must retain identical frequencies of different paternal lineages simply because they share some ancestry but that's not how population genetics worksBecause J1 in Serbs and Albanians are from the Roman era or Jews and since you are personally alluding your J2b1 is from levant and not Iran, it logically follows a genetic package of both genes migrated collectively in similar established frequency. You are assuming ghegs J2b1 died out while yours bottlenecked and survived, alongside everybody else in the Balkans that was subject to your invasions. Somehow, absent in ghegs, and literally zero in Kosovo ghegs that also have the LOWEST Slavic R1a and I2a-din frequency in all of Eastern Europe.
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