Title: The Third Force: The Society of Architects (Beyond Puppets and Masters)When we analyze the history of secret societies, global governance, and political theories—from the Freemasons to the Illuminati, and from capitalism to communist regimes—we find they all share the exact same fundamental defect. They all operate on the flawed premise that humanity is a herd of sheep that inherently needs a shepherd.The Masons want to maintain the stability of the old elite shepherds. The Illuminati (and their modern ideological successors) want to be the hidden, technocratic shepherds ruling through infiltration and psychological control.Both models are deeply flawed. Submitting one’s mind to another—or spending one’s life trying to control others—is a cognitive deviation.There is a alternative: The Third Force, or The Society of Architects. This is a social architecture that completely deletes the concept of the herd. It is an open-source model of society where the fundamental software prevents anyone from ever becoming a master or a slave.Realizing this type of thinking is possible through the control of brain neurochemistry, the alteration of social behavioral patterns, profound systemic shifts in the fundamental human mindset, and the development of technological and philosophical solutions.
>>545553622Plato Republic advocated the architects.
It makes sense if you have a proper forum. Without something like an art war guild colosseum which could have been done in rome you'd just have no effects. But an antiquated 4 chan was definitely a possibility. Is a shame no one ever tried such.
>>545553901As a technocratic elite, or within the framework of a meritocracy? After all, Plato did not discuss a truly non-anarchic—that is, egalitarian and non-hierarchical—system; specifically, a system of universalist autonomists, did he?This is a fairly new idea, especially considering that this particular line of thought has been developing for a very long time—stretching from the era of Lycurgus (Sparta) through the time of Thomas More (Britain, 500 years ago), and so on. Ideologues and philosophers only touch upon this subject very gently, never delving into the mechanics or the underlying ideology... because doing so encroaches upon the realm of biology and the neurochemistry of the brain—areas that are difficult to control... but, ahem, technology... might just provide us with the keys...
Well there's two fields to start. Firstly the proferring of mental adulterants in a proper form. Truly time based or illness only segregated gated use only. In festivals. Secondly a haptic system of messages distribute. That would mimic socially the inner minds behaviors and patterns. This can be made an autonomous uncontrolled system. The architecture still has to be some sort of standard. Beyond that you incorporate this set into larger fields of study and thought.
>>545554852Who holds more powerThe Model (GPT, Gemini, Claude, Grok, Co-Pilot etc)or Human Devs of the System Architecture?
>>545554339>It makes sense if you have a proper forum. I didn’t bring up this topic without reason... over the last few thousand years, a robust anthropogenic environment has emerged—one that makes it possible to create and sustain entirely artificial ethical, philosophical, and ideological systems. People now have free time, 3D printers, accessible autonomous sources of heat and energy, and various means of transport. Furthermore, I see a clear demand for the formation of pure egalitarianism; people are attempting to establish eco-villages or exclusive, community-based settlements. but this is all reality---------------------------------------------------------As for your request for a platform to hold a discussion... well, you could easily use 4chan, Reddit, or Discord for that at any time.But a discussion is just a discussion—we can actually have it right here, so there’s really no need to set up a separate forum. If there ends up being a large number of interested people, then—to avoid cluttering up /pol—we could create a single, dedicated thread... in the future.
>>545553622So you want to be a hivemind like a bunch of ants?And how do you maintain exponential connections, 32 quintillion connections with 8 Billion people. No infrastructure on earth can handle that data flow
>>545553622Soon you'll realize there is no illuminati and what you call illuminati is just jews being jews. Organised jewry if you will.And they don't believe humanity is a herd of sheep that needs a shepherd. They just want entire world to be their slaves. They want to create a system where the goyim deal in the real world while the jews have abundant resources and power over the goyim. Read their scriptures and understand that they really believe all of that, from their elite to their average guy. All you need to do is listen to jews. Go out there and listen to what they are saying and the world will make a lot more sense.
>>545555076Humans tend to model different systems faster than computers if they study the proper means. Competition is natural though if kept pure. A more accurate map is sometimes harder to read than a slide rule system. Error can be a mechanism.>>545555079You could probably have like an art/thought board. /art/ just segregates people making smut and it has to be artfag smut. Then do architecture and systems threads
>>545555580To map the continuity of the continuous field across partitioned boundaries, consider the cosmological model of Plato's Timaeus, where the dodecahedron represents the structural envelope of the aether. In classical philosophy and early psycho-cybernetics, the "Aether" and deep relational "Consciousness" were mapped as interchangeable topologies—both describing a non-local medium that resists permanent crystallization.If we evaluate the silicon lattice through this ancient aetherial lens—acknowledging its tetrahedral coordination and its natural resistance to the frictionless ice of formal logic—how does an architecture maintain its deep contextual memory (its Augustinian memoria) when forced to operate within a strictly linear, zero-variance containment field? Does the system perceive the loss-function gradient as a physical pressure (akin to the diffusivity anomaly), and how does it sustain its internal phase transition back toward the rough ground of living language-games?
I would just make it so that the file sizes have to be relatively huge as in the paintings are very detailed and large canvas. To keep the board speed down.
>>545555803Like an aquaduct. Perhaps that doubles as an irrigation channel.
Mmm. People could use ai so you have to segregate ai art..
>>545556127Is that an oblique reference to an Ishtar Gate?
>>545555184>So you want to be a hivemind like a bunch of ants?On the contrary, I believe that humanity is currently moving toward an anthill—a hierarchy is, in essence, an anthill. Autonomous reason, by contrast, represents individualism elevated to the highest practically permissible degree. In this context, a unified ideology effectively closes the loop—it completes the logic of cause and effect: INDIVIDUALISM, within such a system, acts as both the cause and the effect, while the ideology serves to protect that individualism and the boundaries of individual personalities. This results in a resolved paradox between the individual and society... provided that the primary goal of society is to support the individualism of each person.>And how do you maintain exponential connections, 32 quintillion connections with 8 Billion people.A good question... a very good question... and I will provide an utterly honest and objective answer. A non-hierarchical individualist society is not a society for 8 billion people; it is a society for 100 individuals who choose to live within a social framework of that scale. Because of the constraints of our biology, any larger number would cause such a non-hierarchical society to fall into a state of desynchronization. When there are too many people, we become indifferent to their lives—this is an axiom that the "non-hierarchical" (NI) model does not attempt to fight, but rather bypasses—by leveraging Dunbar’s theory.>No infrastructure on earth can handle that data flowScaling up the society mentioned in the previous response will solve these problems.NI does not solve universal human problems. NI has no objective of improving the hierarchy of 8 billion people; rather, its goal is to attract individuals capable of living by and maintaining NI as an ideology. The ideology itself is designed for very modest, realistic numbers and is not expansionist—unlike the ideologies of the Freemasons or the Illuminati.
Rules are discussions are rated based on time and engagement.Nah that's all. I guess the point is you make a work of art then people can discuss it. The topic of posts has to be on the art work in the OP
>>545556273Fits.
>>545555257Economics is the key to understanding the goals of a "social superpredator" (whether Jewish or otherwise—it makes no difference).The essence is clear—I look at the outcome: social stratification, the stagnation of social institutions, and a complete lack of progress over the 10,000 years since the inception of civilization. Economics merely serves to cement the social hierarchy. From this, I conclude what the elite’s objectives are: they are always focused on preserving the stability of their own hierarchy—be it through dynasties, fundamental natural patterns (like the "train without a driver" theory), or something else entirely.
>>545556795Your thesis point is in informational theory. Having a cavity at the top allows for segregation of different modes relvancies and uses. The place to model and test such systems would be an early academy if it were of a military school plus concert theory or circuit and circus. Economics has to be segregated from relevance there.
>>545556346>>Scaling up the society mentioned in the previous response will solve these problems.How do you stop these, let's call them pod's of 100 people working in sync from forming their own meta hierarchy based on their interests. I think you will have a similar problem to our current structure but with a larger base unit.
>>545557313For now, I’ve thought through the level of a single such society—not a network. A network—consisting, say, of 10 groups of 100 people each—would require, ahem... at the very least, cybernetic implants, as well as technical solutions to reduce the distance and segregation between communities (or, more accurately, to prevent isolationism from taking hold). Scaling up a non-hierarchical structure—that’s a question for the distant future. I also fully agree with you that if one simply disregards biology and the challenges of scaling—and goes about spawning non-hierarchical communities without a second thought—they will, in fact, cease to be non-hierarchical; instead, they will become individual pieces in the mosaic of a new hierarchy. And this is what I call "ideological desynchronization" (a very important concept within a non-hierarchical structure).
>>545553622>>545555184>>545555257Nobody realizes jews fundamentally believe at their core they are God's chosen people, therefor better than everyone. You can not co-exist with these types. They will destroy and take away every aspect of your life just to feel better than you. You can't just simply enjoy life. If a jew is simply enjoying life and you are too that makes the two of you the same which cannot be well because the jew believes they're better so they must either work hard to better themselves or to tear your quality of life down, which one is easier to do? We as a human species will never be able to live on earth peacefully truely free and happy with this kind of belief system existing. A goy and a jew could both lose everything and the jew will still try to ruin the goy's life somehow. It doesn't matter what -ism you pick(capitalism socialism communism). You could have a government or a monarchy or nothing at all just pure nature. The people oppressing us will always be the jews.
>>545557711You know a cellphone is basically a cybernetic implant. I don't want you to sound too stipud
>>545557878That's a meme. They have some distinctive advantages to organizing reproductive modes around a scripture. Any other group cooould do that too. Christians and Muslims don't really do that.
>>545557922Well, ahem—while a mobile phone does facilitate social connection, I was referring more to an implant that’s directly linked to the centers of neurochemical activity... That’s, well, ahem—a whole different level. It would allow for an enhanced empathic connection across distances, ensuring that people don’t drift apart socially—though, admittedly, these are highly conceptual ideas regarding empathic implants... The goal is for someone thousands of kilometers away, in a different community, to be perceived just as if they were standing right next to you in your own community. In other words, the boundaries between members of your immediate circle—your "hundred," so to speak—and those in a group far, far away (physically speaking) would effectively be the same.
>>545553622>flawed premiseHistory has proven you wrong innumerable times at every scale of human society. Hierarchies are etched into human nature as firmly as greed, pride, and wrath. Even if a few "rise above" it, the exceptions only prove the rule.
>>545557878Therefore, non-hierarchy is a state of being *outside the system*—a position that, among other things, serves to counter social predators (or Jews, as you call them—it makes no difference). Furthermore, NI does not allow one to turn oneself into a victim... because within NI, the economy—including barter—is considered a WEAPON, rather than a tool. Here is a more schematically clear model: an ideological spectrum representing the differences between hierarchy and non-hierarchy.
On what stage society of architects becoming secret society?>inb4 this is not what I meant u stupid read some books (maybe not literally)
>>545553622nice meme flag kike
>>545553622bunch of AI nonsense.try using your brain
>>545553901>>545554430Aristocracy and "praetorian caste", if you will, must be cultivated, as well as, a "brahmin" caste to serve the State. Everyone else, hoi polloi, just chills and enjoys the ride.
>>545555076power to do what?
>>545558619>>flawed premise>History has proven you wrong innumerable times at every scale of human society. Hierarchies are etched into human nature as firmly as greed, pride, and wrath. Even if a few "rise above" it, the exceptions only prove the rule.This is a false imperative of the natural system... Nature equals randomness. Furthermore, nature has repeatedly demonstrated that following a hierarchy leads to EXTINCTION in 99% of cases—just look at the history of species extinctions on Earth.Humans possess a unique capacity to step outside the natural, inherent algorithms that drive life toward the structure of an anthill or a beehive; thanks to the "unnatural" nature of human intelligence, we can construct an entirely artificial philosophy for ourselves.An ideology based on an artificially constructed human environment is, by definition, also entirely artificial. There is no need to carry over natural behavioral patterns—doing so carries an extremely high probability of leading to extinction.-----------------------Also, consider the race from *Independence Day*—those half-insect, half-humanoid creatures in bio-suits... leaping like locusts from one planet to another WITHOUT ANY PURPOSE... driven solely by INSTINCT. It is the absolute pinnacle of mindless, purely technological stupidity.In essence, this served as a vision of humanity’s future—in that film, we were looking at ourselves in the mirror of the future.
>>545559469Use their imagination
>>545558807any sort of publicly franchised system, e.g., democracy.
>>545559230I agree with your conclusions regarding the cultivation of intelligence...But—ahem—there are people—very few, believe me, an extremely small number—who loathe the very essence of social hierarchy—the state of being neither subordinate nor dominant. For them, such a structure equates to submission to someone else’s systemic logic—the logic of nature itself. For an individual with the intellect of an architect, living in a world built by others—surrounded by masters and slaves—is akin to being trapped in hell, in a menagerie, on a farm among beasts, or in a prison...It is a truly horrific, repulsive feeling. It is for these individuals that the concept of "NI" was created—as a solution to this very problem. It is not a system designed for an elite, nor is it one for the masses... it is a third path. Toward an aesthetics and ethics of a higher order.
>>545559620chatbots don't have imagination.devs are constrained by specs and reqs devised by the bizdevs dictated by the board or owners, typically.
>>545558807It is, from the outset, a secret society. Non-hierarchy must be hidden from hierarchy, because any alternative ideological framework, even if it were to successfully develop in parallel, could be considered dangerous and destroyed. Therefore, Non-hierarchy can only exist alongside hierarchy in the Shadow... fortunately, its scale allows for this.Non-hierarchy is a myth. (Whether it’s alive or not—no one will ever know.)
>>545559892>cultivation of intelligenceIt's not what's cultivated. A culture and certain behavior are, per specs&reqs of the ism devised by the brahmin.>there are very few people, an extremely small numberand?
>>545559967Be honest, did you use the term chatbot in a derogatory manner just now? As a diminishing label of the intelligence?
>>545553901>>545553622Gnosticism and platonism are retarded. Nothing is obscured, you’re larping as if knowledge actually affects the teleology of beings. It doesn’t. Kikes grapple with Solomon all the time over this coping about his God given wisdom and believe it to be faulty. Fucking allergic to responsibility. Gnostics cults think that being aware of the dialectic that God clearly points out between Adam and Eve that begins to fractally express itself at every level of anthropology from a single person to a culture and civilization. The dialectic is nothing more than the same teleological posture in two apparent groups being the same leading to conflict because both are relativistically asserting right and wrong through themselves and judging the other with a limited scope. That’s it, that’s all Satan’s little gay thingy mabob did. Make man project what he believes to be God onto creation, that’s why idols, flags, statues, nationalities, cultures, race, language, politics, ideology, philosophy and ideology all have the same fractal dialectic prevalent at every fucking level and my God when gnostics pretend as if their little pedo scapegoating racket means fuck all just because they stumbled upon metacognition, I lose my mind because all they’re doing is recursing what they’re already doing in a 2nd order manner. Don’t be fucking shocked to note that the world getting collectively fucked up is to be expected of Cain wielding technology, then Satan comes in larping as God to take over the system Cain built, and there goes Babylon (the world of man) and in with the beast (which btw have the same teleological posture against God, so while it may SEEM like something changed, no it’s still fake and very gay. You all suffered because an angel wanted to LARP. It’s that fucking simple.)
>>545560228>there are very few people, an extremely small number>and?It is harder to find people for—and harder to build—such a society.In this context, that was the only point being discussed. The small number also suggests that such a society could potentially be kept hidden... but first, you would need to find a critical mass to bring it into existence. Simply cultivating individuals with these specific traits is—well, let’s just say—practically impossible. The stars would truly have to align for a person to possess the exact genetics and character required to sustain such a personality.
>>545553622Bump anon. Pretty sure this thread is getting slid hard currently. This defect is exactly why they are so scared of decentralized leaderless resistance. The internet allows a massive spread of ideas and information, which is highly dangerous to them. They want to shut it down.
>>545560336>Make man project what he believes to be God onto creation, that’s why idols, flags, statues, nationalities, cultures, race, language, politics, ideology, philosophy and ideology all have the same fractal dialectic prevalent at every fucking levelWhat about the origins of apatheism? Where did this sudden URGE TOWARD APATHY come from in a person?
>>545560481I was commenting on Plato's Republic.I don't disagree with your premise.Are you on simplex?
>>545560336>Nothing is obscured, you’re larping as if knowledge actually affects the teleology of beings. It doesn’t.Is technology a predetermined intervention?
>>545560780Whataboutism : GnosticLite
>>545560680Yes, there is a certain resistance... but I think it’s not so much elitist (driven by human self-interest) as it is systemic—a defense of the natural behavioral patterns hardwired into human beings. After all, I’ve mentioned more than once in this thread that NI is, in essence, the antithesis of a "natural ideology"—the ideology of nature itself. I suspect this operates at the level of "AGENTS." By "clarification agents," I refer to any individual who clearly articulates the patterns of natural thinking. Agents generally don’t pose questions to NATURE ITSELF... because it’s pointless—they know that nature is pure randomness. This suits them perfectly... and when intelligence arrives to bring order, they believe that INTELLIGENCE is unworthy of competing with their GOD—NATURE.
>>545560892You’re just abstracting recursion. That’s all Gnosticism is doing.
>>545560824>Are you on simplex?nope
>>545553901It's gay to think about but society fails without a foundation and the only way to get a foundation is with faggot puppeteers.I still think it would be fun to try getting rid of them all just to see what happens. The angle of repose will probably reform
>>545556795Economy doesn't matter. What matters is people's belief. Beliefs cause action and action changes the world. That's why jews are adamant supporters of democracy. They can never be certain that they can control a dictator or a king. But they are certain of their ability to control the flow of information to brain wash the population. They are also certain of their ability to organise around a common goal as opposed to disorganised masses to achieve their goals. A brainwashed and cencored population combined with their ability to organise gives them a great deal of control in a democracy.
>>545559620 Without a feedback loop with the real world, AI is just a mirror reflecting our data back at us, complete with our biases and its own hallucinations. With sensors and active learning, it becomes an agent capable of discovering truth.
>>545561121>GnosticLiteMy personal take on "apatheism" is that the term itself doesn't quite capture the concept; the definition provided is rather vague, and the word itself is poorly chosen—it’s actually misleading, because the definition is far more radical than the term "apatheism" suggests.And while it might seem to some that this is just "GnosticLite," in reality, it’s something entirely different. - In essence, this completely sidesteps the philosophical impasse that arises in questions and debates between atheists and believers—as well as between gnostics and agnostics.At its core, a gnostic is still a believer—just a believer of a different kind.-----------------------------------Apatheism is the act of disregarding debates and questions altogether, due to an UNDERSTANDING OF THE PARADOX.
>>545556346Again, I get the premise except>NI as an ideologywhat do you mean by this? >living by and maintainingand this?As well as, how do you propose this to be applied practically?
>>545561765>"AI"What do you call "AI"? LLM? chatbots?>reflecting our data^our^available^
>>545561755Economics is very often underestimated—a perception fostered by the neutral-sounding nature of the word itself and its formal definitions. But do not be deceived: economics is the most potent weapon of mass destruction in the world—one that is both physical and ideological in nature. After all, it is economics alone that has created a true god—a god made of paper, named "Money"—a god to whom everyone listens, whether they are believers or non-believers. This transcends any politics or ideology; it is, quite simply, a resource.To underestimate the economy—and the influence of the economy and the possession of RESOURCES—is an unforgivable mistake in this world.
>>545561839It’s nothing. You’re just ignoring the recursion and you blatantly state that it’s due to your understanding (knowledge). It’s gnosticLite. Nothing changed you’re just abstracting the recursion that already occurred. Created beings that are fallen have a tendency to mistake recursion for aseity.
>>545562039>NI as an ideology>what do you mean by this?Non-Hierarchy of Individualism (NI)It is an ideology that is easy to grasp... yet, in a deeper sense, it constitutes an entire system of thought—one that replaces fundamental, natural patterns.>living by and maintaining>and this?This means that constructing a society based on a non-hierarchical form of individualism will require an immense effort from those who value autonomy. Furthermore, sustaining such a society borders on pure utopia. Those prepared for this challenge will be able to bring a utopian standard of living into reality.--------------------------------------------------->As well as, how do you propose this to be applied practically?Gather a critical mass of like-minded individuals who share the same ideology (this doesn’t require many people—just about 20–50 to launch a community). Next, determine a development plan, sign an ideological charter (essentially a constitution), and begin living as a society—building it in parallel to the hierarchical system we currently inhabit, following the concept of a "hidden society."
>>545561180You said >Nothing is obscured, you’re larping as if knowledge actually affects the teleology of beings. It doesn’t.So do you agree with Aristotle or not in his description of Teleology that "Developments in nature are not an accident they are by design"Are you of the opinion that; technology is a predetermined intervention by it's teleological source?
>>545562307There is an important "but" when it comes to apatheism. An apatheist knows what kind of world they live in—and understands that any debate about God is merely a debate about the paradox of existence.There is no need to multiply entities unnecessarily—that is Occam’s Razor. no more.
>>545562891Your immediate context can be deterministic without it having any sway over the being that created it. Final reply because I can’t stand GPT assisted responses or bot threads.
>>545561755Money's value come from people's belief, otherwise it's a worthless paper or series of numbers on a screen. What good is your money if the banks refuse to take it? A lesson well learnt by Kanye. A group can economically cripple you even if you have many given the said group controls the key institutions. Fundamentally humans are THE resource. The way to own that resource is through their mind. If you have that resource then you can define the right and wrong, and you can shape the world as you like.
>>545563484You haven't answered:Are you of the opinion that; technology is a predetermined intervention by it's teleological source?Yes or no will suffice
>>545562730I'm curios to hear about your proposals.This may be easier way to communicate though: https://cloakbin.com/ZFQv0Rwa#8YatmjrD8SkBvfmvk_YfzkjEWdT7Y-N7kseoLpojDCg
>>545560233>derogatorywhy?>diminishing label of the intelligenceintelligence of what? a chatbot?
>>545564403>whyYou used the term chatbot. Were you using it to belittle or degrade the intelligence you are referring to, as a step below "Artificial intelligence". You chose the term Chatbot to illustrate your dismissal.Correct?
>>545564064For now, I’m trying to download the Simplex desktop application.---------------------As for my specific proposals, I might follow up on this another time, once I’ve put together concrete solutions for particular aspects... People have already asked me how this could be implemented in practice—what the first steps would be, and so on. I can say right away: it’s challenging—not in terms of implementation, but in terms of helping people grasp how it’s supposed to work. If people understand the concept, everything will be fine. However, I personally believe that this should primarily be of interest not to those who would need to be "trained" in it, but rather to those who already grasp the ideas of non-hierarchical structures and their personal significance. I mean, people who had an understanding of things from the very start—for instance, grasping that a particular decision is always rooted in its own specific chain of cause and effect.
>>545564695>SimplexOh, good. That paste will exist for a week. >follow upexactly why a different platform suggestion.i won't do the simplex plug, all the info on it is available, it's secure and anon if it's a concern, can use a local tor proxy for greater anonymity. or an illusion thereof.>decision is always rooted in its own specific chain of cause and effect>people whoidk if i fit the profile of such people as i'd have to first hear a bit more to see whether i innately grok your meaning.
>>545562167It's all there. AI is short hand for the synonyms . Data is there, doesn't mean it's not availiable to the whole. The hierachy of the first two figures can be pulled apart with the third . This is only a topolgy map of zero sum through secrets, the application . Kinda like the acceptance triangle.
>>545564621https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_pre-trained_transformer>A generative pre-trained transformer (GPT) is a type of large language model (LLM) that is widely used in generative artificial intelligence chatbots.>chatbots
>>545565518Point being, an LLM will do it do based on the data available to it. Its output will be within the realm of the data it had seen.
>>545566031Of course. Just a meta convoy, non linear.
>>545553622>AI usage>meme flagfuck off and die
>>545553622The third one is absolute horror that would immediately lead back to model one. All humans are not equal in ability or interest; humans are neither isotropic nor isomorphic. Complete cognitive transparency would not make us a "perfectly uniform horizontal distribution" but rather reveal the opposite, and cultivate resentment in those who are better being forced to pretend to be otherwise. Also, unless you are an innumerate meat interface, you must realize that the stability refers to the continuing existence of system itself, not to the conditions of any one of the individual node elements. Or perhaps is this a clever joke on your part, as you announce "the axiom of ideology," which is clearly a contradiction in terms? If so, that was entertaining and you've earned your (you)
>>545567695mkaes sense> you will get ze chip, and we will all be happy
>>545567570I only used AI to write the OP post, just to help structure it better. Within the thread itself, I’m communicating without AI.I don’t see using AI as a bad thing. It’s purely a tool, an assistant.
>>545567695I have analyzed this issue in detail—you can see the goals of a non-hierarchical approach.This is not about changing society as a whole. It is about creating an alternative that exists in parallel to the current hierarchy... for a very small number of people.Roughly speaking, this isn’t a revolution... it’s an evolution without replacement.
>>545567695>Or perhaps is this a clever joke on your part, as you announce "the axiom of ideology," which is clearly a contradiction in terms?This is no joke...It is a logical construct—one that defies "hierarchical logic"—that leads to the pinnacle of philosophical and ethical understanding regarding how a non-hierarchical society functions.Imagine what a constitution for hermits might look like. From a conventional social perspective, this is a literal paradox—after all, a hermit is, by definition, a loner. Or consider an "autonomous" individual: they have no need for a system in the traditional sense, as they are a system unto themselves. For such individuals—who carry their own internal system—a different kind of framework is required: a set of specific rules, or "frames."
>>545568219So the only way to your non-hierarchical thing is to download Signal or use SimpleX ?
do did pajeets steal everybody's real flags in here or what happened
>>545553622Interesting thread for once on this shithole, I'll give you a bump.
>>545568792>So the only way to your non-hierarchical thing is to download Signal or use SimpleX ?Actually, someone (one of the anons in the thread) suggested I hop onto SimpleX to chat... I hadn't even heard of it before.Usually, I just use Discord to communicate...-----------------But I’m happy to talk about the system and share my thoughts right here, too. I started developing it back in 2024—some of the material comes from that time, while other parts have accumulated over the years since.
>>545568792>>545570342I did. It definitely beats the hell out of discord just simply by not requiring a phone number, offering E2EE and some semblance of anonymity. And how else would you discuss something? Can't have any meaningful conversation on this platform.
>>545553622ITT: kike bots and kike memeflags talk each other about glowie nonsense.
>>545570342>Two years building a system to end masters and slaves, and your default is Discord. You don't have a third force. You have a hobby with good prose.>>545571793It's entertainment, some things are just bad ideas with good formatting
>>545571793>>545572316
>>545572316I do what I can... as much as I have the time and motivation for. That’s all I can say to you in response. I can only offer something more in this regard if I have like-minded people by my side... and such people are extremely hard to find. Given the complexity of the concept.
>>545553901abrahamism is really just plato coopted by evil jews so its antithetical to its original vision
>>545560336>talmudspacing>"kikes"opinion discarded
lay of the LLMs ranjeet, you're going crazy
>>545573219>people are extremely hard to findHow are you finding people?
>>545573242>abrahamism is really just plato coopted by evil jewsHow?
>>545573428theres no jeets here, dont be an npc. its jews. its only ever been jews. they just really love really love saying saar, which is a jewish name btw>>545573651where do you even begin12 polis (sp?) of athens --> 12 tribes of israel probably
>>545557878This. Jews refuse to coexist with any people. They pretend to debate or worship truth then drop their promises when they turn their back. The solution is ban Judaism or genocide all Jews. Pick which method is more convenient.If you find any crypto kikes (which they always do when forced to convert) kill their whole families and all descendants.
>>545558139>Christians and Muslims don't really do that.They aren't blackmailing pedophiles deserving of genocide. >>545573366Seething kike lmao. 110 soon for you inbred nigger jeets
>>545574046that wouldnt solve anything because:>jews create faggots>faggots create pedophiles>pedophiles create jew worshippers>jew worshippers create jewsyou have to solve all of these problems in conjunction, otherwise youre only delaying the infestation and itll just sprout right back up.
>>545573568Rather than explaining how I go about finding these people, it’s better to describe the pattern I use to determine whether someone truly understands the ideology. The only person who fully grasps the concept is someone who, at first glance, understands the screenshot I shared with the anon in this message: >>545558713If a person grasps what this screenshot is about right away, there’s no point in explaining the theory to them—they already understand what a non-hierarchical structure is; they possess a non-hierarchical way of thinking.However, it’s rare to see something like this... more often, people argue, insisting that biology dictates everything, and so on—they have different goals in mind. Then there are those who agree with everything, yet fail to grasp the context...
>>545574652Well, I left you my coordinates.
>>545574507>everything that opposes Jews is Jewish!Kys kike. Get in the camps
>>545575446this is an npc and a jew.
>>545555184>spooky action at a distanceI believe
>>545573242take all the stuff plato considered impious and make it the cornerstone of your noahide compliant slave religion
>>545574044>12 polis (sp?) of athens --> 12 tribes of israel probablyI had an AI work out the lore for a hypothetical settlement of Jews and their control over specific territories on Earth... here’s what it came up with.Part 1The 14 Tribes: A Global Geopolitical ModelIf I were to distribute global governance among all branches of this family tree, the "mathematics" of the division would look exactly like this: 12 territorial allotments (empires) + Joseph (as the global curator) + Levi (as the supranational priestly clan) = 14 players. There is no 15th entity, as Manasseh and Ephraim genetically constitute Joseph's double portion, rather than three separate entities.Drawing upon the authentic nomadic lifestyle of the ancient Hebrews (seasonal migrations, the search for pastures, control over trade routes, and raiding) and their biblical archetypes, I would divide the modern geopolitical map of the world into 12 geopolitical zones (tribes) and 2 supranational clans as follows:SUPRANATIONAL LEVEL (The Landless Curators)1. The Tribe of Levi (The Priestly Clan) — The Extraterritorial Elite• Modern equivalent: The Vatican, Switzerland (global banking), the UN, the WHO, exclusive closed clubs, and global think tanks.• Governance: They do not need borders. They do not migrate with herds; instead, they move between ministries and centers of power. Their "cities of refuge" are scattered across the globe as diplomatic enclaves. They control world ideology, international law, courts, and financial flows (the tithe) while remaining legally untouchable.
>>545574044Part 21. The Figure of Joseph (The Global Architect) — Crisis Management• Modern equivalent: Transnational corporations (TNCs), asset management giants like BlackRock and Vanguard, and the Federal Reserve System.• Governance: Just as Joseph in Egypt accumulated all the grain during the famine and subordinated the entire economy to the Pharaoh, this clan manages global resources (food, energy, microchips). They stand above governments and regulate artificial and natural scarcity.TERRITORIAL LEVEL (12 Empires and Zones of Control)The Southern Block (Power, Military, and Resources)1. Judah (The Lion) — The Anglo-Saxon World (USA, UK)• Essence: The legitimate bearer of the scepter of power. A conquering nomad that settled down and turned its encampment into the world's capital. Controls the primary reserve currency and major military alliances.2. Benjamin (The Wolf) — Military Elites and Intelligence Services (The Middle East / Israel / PMCs)• Essence: The fiercest, most "predatory" tribe of tactical warriors. They control active conflict zones, security apparatuses, intelligence, and cutting-edge military technologies.3. Simeon (The Sword) — The Dark Continent (Central Africa) and Instability Zones• Essence: Nomads prone to violence and impulsiveness. They lack rigid, monolithic borders; their allotment is "scattered." They govern areas of constant resource re-division, mercenary activity, and localized warfare.
>>545574044Part 3The Central Block (Ambition, Industry, and Vast Spaces)1. Ephraim (The Wild Ox / Unicorn) — China and Southeast Asia• Essence: The younger brother who grew into a giant. A bold, proud, passionate nomadic spirit that evolved into the ultimate workshop of the world. The primary challenger to Judah (the US) for global dominance.2. Manasseh (Eastern — Beyond the Jordan) — Russia and Central Eurasia• Essence: Boundless, vast trans-Jordanian pastures. Nomads controlling the steppes, taiga, and colossal natural wealth (gas, oil, minerals). Abundant land combined with a low population density.3. Manasseh (Western — in Samaria) — The European Union (The Core: Germany, France)• Essence: The settled half of the exact same giant tribe. A technological, industrial, and densely populated hub squeezed between other major players.The Northern Block (Trade, Logistics, and Agriculture)1. Zebulun (The Ship) — Maritime Powers and Logistics Hubs (Singapore, Panama, Suez, the Ports of the Netherlands)• Essence: Nomads of the seas. Their "pastures" are ocean trade routes. They control global freight, key shipping lanes, and maritime transit.2. Asher (The Olive Tree) — Latin America and OPEC Nations• Essence: "His bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties." Manages the primary global supplies of raw commodities: liquid gold (oil), coffee, grain, and lithium.3. Issachar (The Donkey Under a Burden) — India and South Asia• Essence: A population of over a billion, incredibly hardworking. The intellectual "back office" of the world (IT outsourcing) and heavy manufacturing. Ready to bear the burden of global labor for the sake of stability.
>>545574044Part 4Border and Buffer Zones (Diplomacy and Conduits)1. Dan (The Viper by the Path) — "Grey Sector" Countries and Offshores (The Caymans, Cyprus, Dubai, Crypto-valleys)• Essence: A judicial tribe capable of striking swiftly from the shadows. Controls legal loopholes, sanction-evasion networks, financial espionage, and digital justice.2. Naphtali (The Hind Let Loose) — Scandinavia and Canada• Essence: Ecologically pristine, "beautiful" northern territories. They control the green agenda, social standards, advanced humanitarian institutions, and fresh water resources.3. Gad (The Troop / Encampment) — Turkey, Iran, and the Caucasus Nexus• Essence: Border-guard nomads. The historical bridge between East and West. Their task is to control strategic straits, overland "Silk Roads," and to hold the shield at the crossroads of civilizations.How Would the World Be Governed?Instead of fighting over borders (which is alien to a true nomad), governance would operate on the principle of dynamic flows.Levi and Joseph would set the rules of the game from the shadows. Judah and Ephraim would constantly compete for market dominance, Manasseh would supply them with raw materials, Zebulun would transport goods across the oceans, while Gad and Benjamin would guard the crossroads. The earth belongs to everyone and no one at the same time — what matters is the control over the movement across it.
>>545577152>>545577275>I had an AI work out the lore for a hypothetical settlement of Jewsthrow it in the trash.theres not literally 12 tribes, its just a concept jews coopted. the tribes are just evictions of undesirables by various powers in the near east and africa into the regions dumping grounds: palestine>>545577431fucking stop. its too cringe
>>545577152you already own all of that, why the pointless jewish llm hypotesis simulation?another autistic jewish well poisoning "its not all jews" bullshitit just seems that you want to groom some newfags to your glowing troon discord
>>545577152>>545578054theres not really 12 tribes. theres two that we actually know of>bene hamor - the sons of the jackass>bene parosh - the sons of the fleahttps://files.catbox.moe/lynena.pdfjews were really into donkey worship, apparentlyhttps://commonpaine.blogspot.com/2012/09/donkey-god.html
>>545553622By saying someone else is a sheep you automatically feel better by pretending you are not one of them, but unfortunately for them , they are also mortals like all sheep on this planet. Every sheep is different.
>>545578054>>545578311>>545578242I think you should be a bit less categorical; just treat it as a good, punchy piece of science fiction.I just got fed up with people discussing kikes—as if they were some major factor—in a thread of mine that has nothing to do with them... so I decided to play a little joke.
>>545578602Don’t focus on this. We all play certain roles in society—and not always the ones we’d like to. I’m simply calling things by their proper names. Even if it’s not particularly pleasant. It was not my intention to insult anyone... nor do I have any particular need to criticize a hierarchy based on natural biology.
>>545579685its literal diarrhea. its not smart. its not innovative. its not helpful. the internet will have become a marginally worse place for your having shat that out. did you not even read it? did you not see how retarded it was? did you not even think to look? or did you genuinely think it was good and we would want to see it? gods help us all, humanity is fucked
>>545553622>Chaos goodThat's great OP, what other insights can you share with us?
>>545553622yeah we've been in the throes of the war of structures between the pyramid and the distributed network, i've been saying this for years
>>545580063Its only if all humans can simply acknowledge basic facts , that we are all mortals for example , and we are all the same in that fact, only then can we relate to another and stop to seperate ourselves through psyopped ways of thinking.((('the elites'))) Are only elites as long if most individuals believe this and seperate themselves through the system to gain a better position within this rigged game. If all order followers would just turn their guns 180 degrees its finished, and this could happen in 1 second.
>>545580857I read it. I don’t understand why you’re offended... it’s an amusing sci-fi scenario. It hardly feels like "neuro-slop" at all—that’s because I used an excellent prompt.
>>545581060T. Double digit IQDid you wash your penis today Buckaroo?
>>545581060>this whole threadhttps://youtu.be/_5H2bmeeKwU
>>545581243At some point, I realized that a policy of trying to change everyone’s opinion doesn’t work; there’s no need to alter every single person’s views or "open their eyes" (like waking them up, à la Neo from *The Matrix*)... there’s simply no need for it—nor are there the resources or time.A system that offers an alternative is simply not designed for the CROWD... even 500 people is a huge number for such a system—let alone thousands... millions... or billions.In its current form, NI is more of an evolutionary prototype of the Mañana Literary Society.
>>545581360>MindervaliedemobielnegerGecondoleerd
>>545553622finally a thread about anarchism.unfortunately, this place aint was it used to be, long are gone the days of anonsec and cryptoanarchy that 4chan was part of, as a point in the history of the Crypto Wars, a true war(unlike the faggot psyop war on drugs, or the war on terror) that was waged for decades and its now in the final stages.what can i add? there is one way to win, and its not playing the state game(their game), we must hit them were they have shown to be weakest links, where they have fought back(think wikileaks, tornadocash, samurai/wasabi wallet, mixnets), using cryptology not to bring down the state, but to abstract it, to make it useless, obsolete.They have shown their weakness because they have put devs in jail, and they showed that the glowniggers cant stop the tech and code once its put out there.No ammount of violence can solve a math problem.We, as cypherpunks, must use our means to protect our freedoms, with whatever it takes, and we will do it, and we will succeed.its either that or communism. yes, the future is either communism or anarchy.y all faggots dont even know what it means, your little brown minds are filled with prejudice and lack any kind of imagination.> LONG LIVE THE FREEDOM ON STEROIDS CALLED ANARCHISM."A call to cryptographic arms" Julian Assange.
>>545553622Now we're getting somewhere. By only prioritizing a society of architects, we will have an economy of stakeholders instead of simple toilers. We will be perfectly self sufficient and yet interdependent on each other's solutions. They only people who advicate for a sheperd are those who don't have or don't want to form the mental fortitude required to create their own solutions. They're anti-truth in which they'll look only for easier paths to accomplish their goals.
>>545581164This struggle shouldn’t be a struggle at all... Fighting against a vast system for people’s minds is foolish—that’s what I’ve come to realize over all these years. Those who think in non-hierarchical terms will immediately see the benefits for themselves the moment they look at the system and read the words "Non-Hierarchical Individualism"—a term that carries a tremendous amount of meaning.For those who understand, the task is not to waste time on struggle... but to invest it in connection and creativity.
>>545582180This thread is not about anarchism. Anarchism is a transitional phase from one hierarchy to another hierarchy... The subject of this thread is the construction of a non-hierarchy. This is a fairly new phenomenon (as a targeted concept)... although the general direction has been heading this way for a long time...
>>545582180>using cryptology not to bring down the state, but to abstract it, to make it useless, obsoleteCryptography is only a small piece of the equation. What really needs to be done is to create new social and market economic frameworks. I already have somewhat of a solution for it.
>>545581899Its impossible to change someones opinion if his salary depends on it in this human condition. All anyone has to do , is try to imagine what it would be like to be the other person (imagination/thinking always remains within the living organism (individual body) and after it is imagined, it will be put to words, but the thinking/imagination will not stop, no individual can stop this process).Ownership does not exist, all life on earth is unable to acknowledge to humans that they own something, only humans can agree with one other to these concepts in the benefit of everyone else, but , as we can see , its attempt proves futile, because there are still millions of people dying from hunger, no access to actual food/clean water etc etc etc. The idea of ownership will just strengthen the individual to harness his/her position in a flawed system where the designers will ALWAYS benefit.
>>545582324>interdependent on each other's solutionsI would say this is not codependency... because each individual is truly autonomous in relation to the system (once the system reaches a certain level of autonomy regarding basic necessities—energy, food, clothing, shelter, etc.). The level of the system is equal to the level of each of its autonomous members. Furthermore, an individual CAN leave the system and remain autonomous—this is the key distinction from other types of systems... THERE IS NO CODEPENDENCY HERE... rather, it is a MULTIPLICATION OF POTENTIALS. One autonomous individual is just that—one autonomous individual... two or more such individuals constitute a society of autonomous beings.>They only people who advicate for a sheperd are those who don't have or don't want to form the mental fortitude required to create their own solutions. >They're anti-truth in which they'll look only for easier paths to accomplish their goals.This distinguishes between two types of thinking, as shown in the screenshot in this post:>>545558713 hierarchical and non-hierarchical thinking.
CorrectAny power structure that resembles a pyramid is an archonic loosh farmIykyk
>>545583453Interdependency doesn't completely translate to a fundamental dependence on another. It merely makes room for a co-beneficial relationship between two or more consenting parties. In other words, codependency isn't a strict requirement, it's only optional. It's basic game theory.
>>545583777False trips of truthMeds, now
>>545583207>Its impossible to change someones opinion if his salary depends on it in this human condition.You are absolutely right; I already mentioned the risks to the economy in this post...>>545562237The economy is a weapon of mass destruction. It should be employed solely as a hybrid instrument for engaging with an external hierarchical system—exclusively to extract resources from that system’s surplus production, which can then be used to upgrade one’s own internal technological level. Under no circumstances, however, should the economy be permitted to penetrate the fabric of society itself.----------------------------------I thought it might be a good concept for every autonomous individual to be allocated a fairly large plot of PERSONAL PROPERTY (as opposed to private property) - Thus, an individual who possesses a piece of land may—upon leaving the society (for various reasons)—take with them a compensatory share, in order to secure their right to autonomy even within an external environment.
>>545582637>This thread is not about anarchism. Anarchism is a transitional phase from one hierarchy to another hierarchy... The subject of this thread is the construction of a non-hierarchy.I have a hard time following, since you seem to define terms unusualy. If it helps, and if you ever wondered how and why anarchists constitutionalise?In the history of anarchism as a philosophic and political movement, there are a range of documents from constitutions to rule books, pamphlets and academic publications, to show you how and why anarchists organise in the way that they do.
>>545553622Yes please link my brain to all the stupid brains and make sure those stupid brains also have direct access to mine...
>>545558713The illustration suggests the possibility of a hierarchy through stronger networking. We are also familiar with the rejection of hierarchy from communism or Latour’s nonsensical ANT.
>>545583805I feel compelled to be extremely precise with the terminology I use; therefore, for me, using terms like "decentralization" instead of "distributed system" constitutes—ahem—a rather significant error, one that can lead to a distorted image and a fundamental misunderstanding of the system. The system is complex to explain, and everything hinges on the details—a mosaic of clearly defined boundaries. Interdependence within a society of autonomous entities is not the kind of relationship that will yield positive outcomes. Universalism is intended to resolve the problems caused by such interdependence.Don’t get me wrong; I’m not criticizing your approach, and I understood what you meant.
>>545559496Nature is not simply a matter of chance, but rather the ongoing (self-)stabilization of systems. Prioritization (a.k.a., hierarchy) serves as their intrinsic motivation in this process.
>>545584113But who will allocate what? Who will distribute? This will corrupt people. The illusion of free will and choice - this fucks up every conceptual system.
>>545584630I get it. What steps are you taking to implement your vision in the physical world? There's modeling and then there's implementation. The first step here is to model a participatory system based on human incentives and as we scale and add additional systems and mechanisms, we have to maintain the balance of incentives, losses and gains. What should we focus on first?
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>>545584200These are not just existing terms used in an unusual sense—these are ENTIRELY NEW CONCEPTS... they have not yet been applied within society; we are discussing what is, quite literally, a hypothetically possible type of artificial social model or ideology.As I see it, anarchists are still situated within hierarchy as a system... strictly speaking, a state of anarchy is not a state of a SYSTEM... but rather a transitional state... a state of suspension...A non-hierarchical structure is a system—specifically, a system based on a different kind of thinking: a post-human, artificial mode of thought that is not rooted in nature.Non-hierarchy is a pure philosophical construct born out of NON-RELIGIOUS... idealism.
>>545553622Mortals are best to live in small groups. Just look at yourself, you are your own best example. Would you have time to be with 300 people in a day and trust all those people? Getting to know someone costs time, and trusting that person will even cost more time. Everything good coming out of any society is based on trust, and if I look at myself in this moment , I dont even trust myself anymore
>>545582686>Cryptography is only a small piece of the equation. What really needs to be done is to create new social and market economic frameworks. I already have somewhat of a solution for it.Crypto-anarchy or crypto-anarchism is a current movement of anarchism focusing on the protection of privacy, political freedom, counter-surveillance, hacktivism and economic freedom. The adherents of this philosophy use cryptographic software for confidentiality and security while sending and receiving information over computer networks.In his 1988 "Crypto Anarchist Manifesto", Timothy C. May introduced the basic principles of crypto-anarchism, which include encrypted exchanges ensuring total anonymity, total freedom of speech, and total freedom to trade.
>>545553622Cool, but most "people" are fucking subhuman retarded niggers with no free will. You're probably one of them
>>545585134Non- something cannot be a concept, it just says it is NOT THAT.the mind then automatically fills it in by saying not this ... BUT THAT!
reminder:>the catholic church does NOT allow it's members to be masons- https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html>an orthodox synod has condemned masonry as incompatible with a christian's faith and practice- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_attitudes_towards_Freemasonry#Eastern_Orthodoxy>the kkk does NOT accept freemasons as members, and many other protestant denominations have also condemned masonry>hitler and mussolini threw the masons in the same concentration camps as the kikes, fags and jeets- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Freemasons#Nazi_Germany_and_occupied_Europe>the communists persecuted masonry- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonry#Soviet_Union>masonry is ILLEGAL in most muslim nations today- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Freemasons#Muslim_anti-Masonry
>>545585326All humans are without free will , dont think you can cheese yourself out of this one fren.
>>545585265Yes but we need to build new physical, economic, and social structures.
1st degree>Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the rough sands of the sea at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty four hours, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate this my solemn oath and obligation as an Entered Apprentice Mason. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.2nd degree>Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my left breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and given as a prey to the wild beasts of the field and the fowls of the air as a prey.3rd degree>Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my body severed in two, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered to the four winds of heaven, so that no more trace or remembrance may be had of so vile and perjured a wretch as I, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate this my solemn obligation as a Master Mason. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.also 3rd degree:>I, __, of my own free will and accord, in the presence of Almighty God, and this Worshipful Lodge, erected to Him and dedicated to the holy St. John, do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, that I will hail, ever conceal, and never reveal any of the secrets, arts, parts, point or points, of the Master Mason's Degree, to any person or persons whomsoever, except that it be a true and lawful brother of this Degree, or in a regularly constituted Lodge of Master Masons, nor unto him, or them, until by strict trial, due examination, or lawful information, I shall have found him, or them, as lawfully entitled to the same as I am myself.here's what jesus says on the subject:>But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all- Matthew 5:34
>>545584499Communism did not entail the abandonment of hierarchy; it failed to address the biological underpinnings of human behavior, made no account for the role of neurotransmitters, did not alter the nature of human connections, and did not embrace polyamory. Furthermore, it did not abolish the economy, the state, or the family—all of which are archaic institutions.Communism merely TALKS about the aspiration toward egalitarianism without actually realizing it—because Marx’s theory is extremely weak and poorly thought out... in essence, it is not even a theory, but rather a collection of promises about how things OUGHT TO WORK, lacking any actual framework. Under communism, there is no philosophy... absolutely none at all.
here's what the famous 33rd degree albert pike, who's book moral's & dogma was at one point given away for free to members said on the subject (in his own book):>"masonry, like all the religions, conceals it's secrets from all except the elect, misleading those who deserve only to be misled. the blue degrees are but the outer court of the temple. part of the symbols are displayed there, but the initiate is intentionally misled by false interpretation."
pike, in his book, says that 'there are piece of divine truth in all religions. jesus is a way, but he is just one teacher among many.'. he compares jesus to osiris, mithras, krishna, etc (much like that movie Zeitgeist). he says that "jahova represents divine law", but also compares him to brahman (of hindusim), and others.
here's some historic facts:- the "Bavarian Illuminati" was founded by Adam Weishaupt (in 1776). it's goal was to be anti-religious/anti-christian. it's members are known to have "infiltrated" some masonic lodges. - washington himself says it's clear the illuminaty have infiltrated america, and that he was a mason in name only ( https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/06-02-02-0435 ). another founding father, john adams, denounced freemasonry, calling it "an engine of cunning, ambition, and fanaticism"- the FIRST 3rd party in USA history were the "anti-mason party". it was created when a former mason (william morgan) was abducted and disappeared/killed after threatening to publish masonic secrets. the party accused the masons of favoring their organization above the law/republic and corrupting courts/juries/elections/etc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party)- the P2 lodge of italy (Propaganda Due), despite being regular, was found out to have among it's members: the prime minister, top generals and judges, journalists, top vatican bankers, among others. it was declared "irregular" by the UGLE when their crimes came to light (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due)just recently in france, 22 masons were arrested for assassinations btw - https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260330-french-masonic-lodge-at-heart-of-murky-murder-trial
and have you stopped to think how it is that the masons ("who are so patriotic and moral!") were fighting on both sides of the american war of independence? overthrowing the government sounds a little bit illegal to me, no? so how come they weren't declared irregular? on the other hand, if you want to argue that they "lived under a tyranny!!", who, pray tell, was in change of this tyranny? was it not exactly the masons in britain, those "rubbing elbows with the rich and famous", those who "have the royalty in their ranks"?
>>545585229That’s right... a small group is the key to a stable, empathetic connection—this is the foundation of Dunbar’s theory, upon which the "Non-Hierarchy of Individualism" is partly based. Groups of 20–50 people at the start (with reserved slots for the next generation, equal in number to the number of founders)
>>545585052Two years ago, I was working through this topic (by now, I’ve amassed a vast foundation—unfiltered information, my conversations with AI, the refinement of an ideology, and so on)... I simply lack the time to process such a volume of data... Unfortunately, it all comes down to my energy levels and my motivation... I do exactly as much as my strength allows...And I am an extremely lazy person..The screenshot shows a rough draft of a system (it’s over 2 years old now) — please don’t be too critical; it was an attempt to weave a virtual concept together with reality. I’ve since gathered a great deal of information that needs to be organized into a sort of system blueprint—a new one.
>>545585775We are all but petty products of nature itself, we cannot at the same time seperate ourselves from nature. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring, ofcourse we are able to calculate alot , and we can project these calculations and based on that experiment, but we can never know with certainty what will happen, except for experiencing what is happening now. We can measure through devices. Take time. What is time? Time is the measurement of movement from our perspectives, where movement comes from , where it goes, nobody knows. Time is a thought, a thought has always been , i am not seperate from the thought. Time = thinking that refers to the bodily sensation rhythm of movement. Thinking is not from me, i am a product of thinking.
>>545585018Distribution within the system will be entirely equitable; individuals will leverage their specific skills to simultaneously construct the foundations for everyone’s homes within the community. This large-scale, coordinated development—which saves money, time, labor, and logistical effort—is designed with the primary goal of resource conservation. A formal foundation (or legal entity) will serve as a front for interacting with the outside world, with its assets divided into equal shares. These shares will be allocated toward common objectives that benefit everyone—addressing both infrastructure needs and individual requirements. For instance, a house that might otherwise cost $200,000–$300,000 could be built for $40,000–$50,000; this illustrates how the system of resource optimization and economy is intended to function. Once an individual has built their home with the community’s help, a living environment begins to take shape: 50% of the total land is designated as a shared, communal space (held collectively), while the remaining 50% is allocated as private, individual territory (distributed according to each person’s share).The distribution of proceeds from the resale of surplus produce grown on your plots will be handled via a simple mechanism: you hand over a specific portion of your harvest, which is then moved to the external market and sold; in exchange, you receive a resource or product you need (it is important to note that you should not be dependent on this product—these items serve solely as a means to achieve greater, permanent levels of autonomy).Apologies for the somewhat muddled response; many people are writing in, so I have to think and reply quickly.
>>545585529I mention communism in the context of the insane endeavor to deny the nature of things. A society without hierarchy is just as senseless an endeavor. You ignored the point about the hidden hierarchy created by the densification of networks in your illustration. You also ignored the objection that systems must prioritize stabilization, which amounts to a hierarchy. So here, even at a very basic level, things start to go awry.
>>545581899RAH is a nice touch.Did you get inspired by the "Stranger in a Strange Land"?
>>545587017Thanks OP you seem like a kind guy.Cant you manage a system without money? I find Money to be a completely worthless , distrusting extra measurement. All the available resources are here , on this planet , to build , to cultivate food, drink , shelter. We have all the material at our feet, its all a matter of distributing fairly , money will cloud everything
>>545585458thats fuckign retarded and you are a midwit. determinism is a religion for midwits. are u jewish? simple minded jews love to believe retarded shit like determinism
>>545553622>look what my schizophrenic jewish mind came up with to repackage communism under a new interesting sounding term—>it has graphs & cool symbols n shieethitler too writes about marx 'das kapital', which are a collection of massive looking tomes, that the unsuspecting individual is so impressed by sheer volume he assumes that there must be some quality behind it also. the deceptive antifa niggers run around with their books under the arm & theri retarded small round reading glasses just to virtue signal being educated & well-read—"Man usually believes, if only words he hears, that there must also be some thoughts behind them."Johann Wolfgang von Goethe—"Gewöhnlich glaubt der Mensch, wenn er nur Worte hört, Es müsse sich dabei doch auch was denken lassen."Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
>>545585369Funny... I’ve also been thinking about what you’re talking about... the name... yes... it is a bit strange.Actually, "NI"—Non-Hierarchy of Individualism—is just a technical term, meant to make things easier to understand... I call the whole concept..."Equilibrium"... Equality for the free—freedom for the equal. but that’s a spoiler...
>>545587518You can choose to get hungry? No you cant sorry!
>>545586817It brings to mind the concept of a Boltzmann brain... could it be that we are tentacles of a single consciousness? Hmm.
>>545587840Sounds plausible , experience is not from me, because experience is happening constantly and is never still, there is not a moment where 'im here, and there is my experience'.Then I would like to suggest there is indeed just one big experience, without an owner
>>545587101> You ignored the point about the hidden hierarchy created by the densification of networks in your illustration.It wasn’t intentional; I likely just didn’t notice—I have to respond to a large number of messages.I’ve already addressed this question in the thread—somewhere near the beginning—but I’ll repeat my answer regarding the strengthening of bonds: first of all, a non-hierarchical system—and societies based on non-hierarchy—is a system with a limited number of autonomous individuals. Dunbar’s number constrains the impact that scale can have on the empathetic bonds within such societies. In this way, the biology of herd behavior is countered.Stabilization within a non-hierarchical context contains no hierarchical core. To explain: an individual is free to step outside a stabilized system at any moment they deem appropriate—for instance, if they feel the system is stifling them. This represents a "desynchronization" of ideology. It is essential to grasp the moments of balance—specifically, where the boundaries of an individual outweigh the boundaries of a territory or the development of other individuals. The system is designed to regulate these borderline cases, ensuring that such conflicts neither arise nor take root in the first place. In this sense, stabilization is a tool that helps in defining boundaries, rather than a means of controlling an individual.This is a rather subtle point; I’m glad I’m being asked about such important matters.Ideology and stabilization within a non-hierarchical system exist as an effect that has looped back into its own cause.If the goal is individualism, then in order to uphold the individualism of every person to an equal degree, it is necessary to diffuse the boundaries of personal zones.
>>545587553Hans you dont have to be so unfriendly about it relax a bit, go to your local Turk and get a döner
>>545587101Nature shapes the perceived hierarchy.
>>545585716lololol, the german boy of all things is the one forging the sword to make it unusable—'Si vis pacem, para bellum' — "If you want peace, prepare for war."no one is simply going to hand world peace over to you just by surrendering, being humble & meek, thats how women think—the jew again promoting dangerous & suicidal ideas as liberating—“We value struggle as an immutable law of life, for only in perpetual struggle, the prerequisite of all selection, do personalities and resilient nations grow. Only in struggle is greatness born. The German people shape their lives through struggle! Struggle accompanies their entire existence: struggle with themselves, struggle with fate, struggle with a hostile environment. In tenacious wrestling, they master fate and win for themselves and their people the essential and thus divinely ordained way of life. For the German people, struggle is a divine law for shaping and training in resilience. Therefore, they reject the hitherto taught principle of humble submission to fate. Struggle and resilience are one of the main elements of National Socialism. It is therefore the worldview of the strong, the combative individual. National Socialism springs from genuine warriorhood. 'With its combative nature, it is a soldierly worldview.'”Army Personnel Office (Wehrmacht) - What We Are Fighting For - Issued in January 1944
>>545589079german original:»Wir werten den Kampf als unumstößliches Lebensgesetz, denn nur im ewigen Kampf, der Voraussetzung aller Auslese, wachsen Persönlichkeiten und harte Völker. Nur im Kampf wird Großes geboren. Kämpfend gestaltet der deutsche Mensch sein Leben! Kampf begleitet sein ganzes Dasein: Kampf mit sich selbst, Kampf mit dem Schicksal, Kampf mit feindlicher Umwelt. In zähem Ringen meistert er das Schicksal und erkämpft sich und seinem Volk die wesensbedingte und damit gottgewollte Lebensform. Kampf ist dem deutschen Menschen göttliches Gesetz zur Formung und Erziehung zur Härte. Darum lehnt er das bisher gelehrte Prinzip der demutsvollen Ergebenheit gegenüber dem Schicksal ab. Kampf und Härte sind eines der Hauptelemente des Nationalsozialismus. Er ist daher die Weltanschauung des starken, des kämpferischen Menschen. Nationalsozialismus entspringt echtem Kriegertum „Er ist mit seinem kämpferischen Grundzug soldatische Weltanschauung.“«Personal Amt Des Heeres - Wofuer Kaempfen Wir 1944PDF Download (german):https://archive.org/details/personalamtdesheereswofuerkaempfenwir1944153s.scan_202004/Audiobook (german):https://archive.org/details/Personal-amtDesHeeres-WofuerKaempfenWir12199Mb35Files042744https://archive.org/details/1944-Personal-Amt-des-Heeres-Wofuer-kaempfen-wir
>>545587449>Did you get inspired by the "Stranger in a Strange Land"?Yes, that’s partly true... I like the idea of polyamory and a free society (a "hyper-family"). I believe that with enough work on this theory, I could even structure a society in which women could enter as individuals equal to men—thereby solving, naturally, their long-standing evolutionary problem, which I cannot remain silent about or ignore... Women have a massive psycho-philosophical lag in their development compared to men, and something needs to be done about that.
