Should they delete the EC?
I don't know, should the Democrats make it impossible for a Republican to be elected in the next 20 years?
>>545587112Why would they? They flipped TEXAS. And almost flipped Florida lolThis is gonna take decades to undo. Trump may actually be the last repub president lmao
>>545587112might as well dissolute the US, that'd be faster.
You mean flyover DEI?
>>545587112So what happens if they do?
>>545587586Free and fair elections.
why would they abolish electoral college? we need electricians
>>545587586red states lose their welfare votes, and we actually get 1 person 1 vote
>>545587310What republicans believe now will be the republican position 5 years from now. That way maybe they win something.
>>545587112>effectivelySo we're talking about wishcasting here? Gotcha.
>>545587310politics is always a two edge swordbut they should study it
>delete electoral college>trump is still your president
>>545587586renaissance of american democracy. turnout would increase dramatically. money in politics would be less impactful because they'd have to spread campaignmoney across all states. good for both sides. unironically.
>>545587310*100and Trump is doing that himself, and is not done doing that yet
>>545587833this; Trump won, goyim lost
>>545587313>Trump may actually be the last repub president lmaoNo he won't. He might be the last white male president, though. The republican party can survive just fine. It just has to start advocating for entirely different policies.
>>545587112Do it faggot, let’s crash this country with no survivors. If the Dems are right and everything gets better, I win. If the Dems are wrong and everything gets worse, I win. Just fucking do it!
>>545587112Only retards believe this.
>>545587781retarded migger doesn't understand what's being discussedits effectively because the EC would still exist, but an absolute majority of electoral votes would always go to the winner of the popular voteno messy amendments needed because the underlying system hasn't changed
>>545587112Sure anon. Go ahead and make your Interstate Compact even though the constitution forbids a compact among states, in so many words, without a nebulously defined consent of Congress. I'm sure the Supreme Court won't rape your ass, make you drink a Coke mixed with Clarence Thomas's pubic hair, and laugh about it afterwards.
>>54558731020 years? Lmao, theyll flood the country with every brown you can think of and keep the country blue until we look like zimbabwe
>>545587586popular vote wins
>>545587586it makes a lot of solid red states matter a whole lot less and means that candidates actually have to appeal to everyone and not just 10000 people in Pennsylvania
>>545587586population centers determine every election, AKA california and new york, so america goes blue forever
>>545588024the court is welcome to enforce that decision if it can
>>545587970he'll be the last one in anything resembling the republicans of old for surethat sound you hear off in the distance is the approaching HARD overton window slam further left than we werewe'll be the UK in 10 years
>>545587112We'd delete democrats from life if they try
>>545587112yes, just go by districts. 1 district = 1 seat, most seats win. I don't know why it has to be all or nothing for each state. California can be 51/49 for democrats and they get all 54 seats for dems. That's not very democratic.
>>545587586farms disappear. The US doesnt produce food anymore and becomes completely helpless and useless.
>>545588177vast majority are corporate owned or owned & operated now anywaythe independent farmer is disappearing
>>545588177>The US doesnt produce food anymoreoh no we won't have oceans of HFCS dumped into every single thing we eat, the horroryour retarded welfare queen farmers only grow corn and onions anyway and its all for export
>>545587112Absolutely. The EC is fucking retarded DEI for flyover states. If these states want more influence, they need to do more to attract people to live there.
>>545588158>what's that, you want to make votes be votes?>I'll fucking kill you (I won't)this is why your family doesn't talk to you anymore
>>545587586You get a iittle bit more democracy. The Electoral Collage is a 19th century leftover relic.
>>545588277>The EC is fucking retarded DEI for flyover statesDEI IS ONLY BAD WHEN IT BENEFITS SOMEONE ELSE BUT ME
>>545588152Republicans of old? he's a faggot who ruined anything related to Republicans, Conservatives, etc. no shit people voted blue.
Hmmm that's weird, they got just enough seats where they needed to.>>545587310>>545587794Races of brown manlets that are going extinct don't get to chime in, take your people back and go extinct peacefully you 80 IQ quasi-jeet.
>>545588303retard
>>545588303we also effectively get brown rule, since there's officially 350 million here, and officially 195 million are whiteand there'll be 500 million more jeets here within the next 20 years if not the next 10
>>545587586Republicans now have to appeal to 50.1% of the American population to win an election. A Third party candidate without a political party could theoretically become president if there's another dogshit unpopular poojeeta vs geriatric retard election without needing to be the rep of a major party.
>>545587732>>545588004Cool so we secede with 90% of the land and you can keep the shitskins.
>>545588397>he'll be the last one in anything resembling the republicans of oldI should have added *remotely in front of resembling, my bad
>>545588490>A Third party candidate without a political partyHA, they have to be allowed in the debates or media for that to happendid you know the last 3 elections there were dozens of other presidential candidates from the 50+ other parties here?no, because they're intentionally shut out of media and debates
>>545588493>90% of the landand 10% of the economy kek. you would be a banana republic who's only economic activity is growing cornland doesn't vote. you lost migger
>ruralfags who live near a farm pretend they are farmers and that they wouldnt capitulate the moment an mrap pulls up outside their parent's house.
>>545588303Should we also run this in the EU? Finland and Sweden have more votes per capita than Germany and France. Make the EU more democratic by letting countries that matter rule. Right?
>>545587112>Accelerate the civil warWhat can possibly go wrong?
>>545587112yes
>>545587586>>545587112they can't without a constitutional amendment because Article I, section 10 clause 3 says states can't enter interstate compacts without congressional consent. That said if they could, we would turn into a third world shithole like yurop where only large cities would have any say in the presidency
>>545587112i think if they attempt it, it will start a outright civil war
>>545588734>reddit spacingyou wont do shit migger
>>545588090>and means that candidates actually have to appeal to everyoneno, just to cities, not to humans. Like how governors in states like NY and IL only campaign in cities and are hated everywhere else
>>545587586Not much really since its effectively a two party system. That would undo a lot of gerrymandering but since tis the blue states that are gerrymaxxed it would actually backfire.
>>545587112EC prevents a constitutional crisis since rural and suburban retards get a say for once.
>>545588493>"We'll take all the GMI corn fields that are so unsellable we make shit-tier gasoline out of it, and all the wasteland, you Dems can take the parts that actually make money!"
>>545588777you don't even know what reddit spacing is tourist nigger
>>545588694we'll never be allowed to actually be in a civil warkeeping us all on the brink of one that never pops off is the optimal spot for long term controlconstantly barraged with a bunch of conflicting narrative at light speed
>>545588113You don't have the executive branch, retard.
>>545588777post guns vpnigger
>>545587112That map incorrectly shows Mississippi as Red.
>>545588840go back migger
>>545588790>just to citiesyeah like I said, everyonecorn fields don't vote, people do
>>545588865all that's going to accomplish is get the people with the guns gradually killed off
>>545588808Yes, but they say stupid, self-destructive shit.
>>545587313>This is gonna take decades to undo.People say this every two years. Neither party will do anything to meaningfully disenfranchise the other because they're fake fighting. American politics is basically pro-wrestling. They're pretending to fight and hate each other because that's how they get your money (and give it to Israel). They don't actually want their "opposition" dead. This is why nobody ever persecutes or fully impeaches. Retards.
>>545587878Or it could like Brazil, where the retarded nordestino savages decide the elections.
>>545587112They won, but they didn't win big enough to change the constitution
>>545588790>they only campaign where 90% of the people live!!!!!!!!!!!!groundbreaking analysis there migger
>>545587310Is it smarter to maintain uncontested control for the foreseeable future, or is it more important to have the GOP as a foil in their never-ending grift?
>>545587112So the US is now communism?
>>545588610Israel didn't lose
>>545588849>never be allowedI don't think that's how that works.
>>545588864and you won't either come january
>>545587586Industrial and agricultural regions effectively lose all influence on politics, and all decisions are entirely made by people who think equipment and food grow directly into their delivery carton.
>>545587878Are you retarded? The three biggest cities in America would control every election in the future. There would be no point in voting by that point if you lived anywhere below a population of 6 million. The gibsmedats would control everything. At that point there'd be no reason to even be united states if just the three most populous places controlled politics.
>>545587112What is up with vermont and new hampshire voting for republican governors but dem by 25% everywhere else
>>545587310Yes. It would be based. But in all likelihood, unless Trump pulls a Jan 6th 2.0, the will isn't going to be there. It's not like the Democrats in Georgia or North Carolina are these super far left types.
>>545589059There's a chance some of Elon's Socialist benefits might actually trickle down to working poor. In other words a GOP catastrophe.That's about it.
>>545588811shart of the squal, brought to you by trump's strongest soldiers
>>545588939I'm pointing out that a decent number of American flag posters are yurocucks on a vpnposting gunz is the only way to prove you're American>>545588935zero humans live in cities>>545588996post guns, vpnigger.humans don't live in cities.
>>545588679EU is a not a federation bud. Learn the difference. Sweden did not lose a grand war for its independence.
>>545587586they sign the gay compact of faggotryand if a dem wins the popular vote, they get to ignore their states vote and send blue delegatesbut you can bet your ass that if a rep wins the popular vote, the dem states sure as fuck arent gonna be doing the same thingits a great way to do a constitutional crisis t b hif anything causes a civil war in america, it's gonna be this
>>545587586Faggots in california and new york ultimately have control over the rest of the country.The electoral college specifically prevents election results that guarantee civil wars.>Cali and NY determine leaders from this point on!Everyone else:>Fuck you then. I'm leaving.
>>545589124>Industrial regionsWere you thawed out of a block of ice from the 1970's?
>>545587112They can't. EC is constitutionally enshrined. Do you have any idea what it would take to change the constitution?2/3 vote from both congress & senate. That's never going to happen unless both parties agree or one of the parties dominates more than 2/3 seats in both houses.Before you make a thread you might want to educate yourself a little bit on how your government works.
>>545588790Yes, but the problem is the rest of the country will end up like upstate NY, with zero industry and resources, and that includes food production.You can outsource all your human energy supply to foreigners, but given another lockdown it won't be the cities lacking toilet paper, it will be them lacking basic sustenance.
>>545588986it's based on the popular vote interstate compact thing but people don't understand that the popular vote interstate compact is explicitly unconstitutional and that while there have been scotus causes about what interstate compacts have been and have not been allowed, there's zero chance the scotus will allow this one
>>545589087I'd like you to sit for a moment and contemplate all the things that have occurred over the past 15 years that SHOULD have kicked off a civil war or at the least an open armed rebellion, and instead NOTHING happenedthen, having done that, consider what COULD if none of that did>>545589208>I'm pointing out that a decent number of American flag posters are yurocucks on a vpngotcha, my bad
>>545588380>DEI IS ONLY BAD WHEN IT BENEFITS SOMEONE ELSE BUT MEI'm confused. Are you pro-dei now?
>>545589208We don't want to see your guns either, you don't defend children or the other Constitutional Rights with them, they are just decoration, migger.
>>545587112>Should they delete the EC?Absolutely.
>>545589154It would have nothing to do with orange tranny, as >>545589129 pointed out, not having the electoral college means that bussing in infinity illegals will be the go to method to passing any "laws" that they want. A future conflict would need to be fought by those not wanting to fight.>>545589355>all the things that have occurred over the past 15 years that SHOULD have kicked off a civil warLike what?
>>545587112No they don’t
>>545589241>Faggots in california and new york ultimately have control over the rest of the country.Texas + Florida has almost just as much control. They aren't behind by many seats.
>>545589355>14:38:18>I'd like you to sit for a moment and contemplate>>545589461>14:39:25>Like what?well, not like THAT
>>545589461>passing any "laws" that they want.Someone is super-salty that Trump didn't pass a single goddamn Law.
>>545589358>Heh, I just pointed out that you're against things that harm you but in favor of things that are good for you. Bet you're feeling pretty stupid right about now.
>>545588704FUCKThey limited my bitrate again. Tell me, is this a rare pepe?
>>545587112>republicans gain literally any power>KEK PORN KEK PORN KEK PORN TRANNIES TRANNIES TRANNIESThey don't deserve to lead anything lmao, they fully deserve to be deleted from American politics.ONE PARTY COUNTRY
>>545587586Currently there's ~100,000,000 people whose votes literally don't matter at all because even with huge swings they're still stronghold states and thus no amount of turnout will ever change it.As an example I live in Maryland and my vote literally means nothing because the state is only ever going to be blue. Voting against trump and MIGA shit doesn't mean anything because it was already guaranteed to happen and the electoral college has already accounted for it. If you got rid of the EC and moved to national popular vote, suddenly every vote actually matters. Every Republican in California would have a reason to show up and vote in presidential elections since even if they lose statewide races like Senate, the difference between 5 million vs 15 million California Republicans showing up will actually influence the outcome. Same for Democrats living in states like Florida and Alabama and Missouri, the electoral college means that how much you win a state by doesn't matter and also effectively disenfranchises a hundred million people for presidential elections.
>>545589626Of course I'm upset that orange tranny didn't do jack shit besides stick his ass out for the jews. I've been complaining about that since he got elected this second time. What's your point?
>>545587112>>545587310Trump won the popular vote last time. I agree with telling the EC to fuck off but it wouldn’t be a game changer, it would just make candidates have to appeal to a broader American electorate instead of their ghetto nigger cities or backwards hick countrysides.
>>545587112no there is no better system for a federal election. they could maybe rejig the numbers of votes based on modern population at most. but a potus election is each state having a vote for a federal president, so they cannot make it be a federation/republic wide popular vote. the votes in idaho state are irrelevant to the votes in south carolina state and need to be reported separately.
>>545589304You don't understand what the Popular Vote Interstate Compact is, anon. Basically it works like this: its an agreement between a bunch of states that says "we promise to dedicate all of our electoral college votes to the winner of the national popular vote, as long as everyone else on the compact does as well". this is perfectly legal, because the constitution is extremely clear that how elections are held, and how electoral college votes are assigned, is 100% up to the states themselves and no one else is allowed to tell them otherwise. So on paper, the electoral college will still exist. The popular vote compact it just layered on top of it. And if the states that are part of the compact add up to the electoral college votes needed to secure the presidency, it renders how every other states chooses to assign *their* votes irrelevant because the winning share automatically gets afforded to the popular vote winner, effectively using the electoral college to sidestep the electoral college. No act of congress or change to the constitution necessary, and indeed if congress tried to tell them to stop the courts would have little choice but to rule that congress isn't *allowed* to stop them because the constitution says so.
>>545589729My point is that Trump has been like this since your Daddy was in diapers, and you are a low-IQ rube who could have done 5 minutes of research on this grifter and voted Jeb!, and maybe you should consider how dumb you are for falling for this horseshit and stop voting and posting. Go read a book.
>>545589838If you're going to go that far you might as well get rid of separate votes for president at all and make it a parliamentary system where senators choose the president. The entire point of letting every individual citizen vote for the executive is to have it be more democratic than just states choosing
>>545589241are you even from america?
>>545589993Nice argument tranny lmao.
>>545589355no problem>>545589429yup, you're some sort of dickless yurotroongod I fucking hate yuropoors
>>545587310This was said about Democrats many times over the past decade and even when Trump got reelected. Just give the blue jew time to stab you a couple times in the back and lets revisit this statement. I think you'll find that the system is very much working as intended and will not be changed because there is no need to do so.
>>545589702if you get rid of the EC all that happens is the status quo that currently applies to Californian conservatives now applies nationallywhich is why the left is so adamant about abolishing it, lol
>>545588152UK is less of a shithole system wise than you, its just that your immigrants are mexicans and latins instead of africans, middle easterners and jeets
>>545589213But the reason for EC's existence is the same. There was a risk that small or remote states wouldn't be willing to join the Union if their vote got lost in elections.If they want to get rid of the EC, they should ask Wyoming if they are still willing to be part of the Union with these new terms.
>>545589702Interesting take. Haven't they already accounted for that by importing tens of millions of browns?Also, wouldn't it create even more urbanization because regardless of your ideology, the only way to gain a benefit from government is by joining an increasingly large group of similar voters?t. New Yorker
>>545587112I doubt they have the balls to do it
>>545589208>post guns
>>545587648As long as you live in New York city, Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Diego, and Chicago
>>545590192"the union" doesn't require the consent of the governed.that was proven definitively in the civil war.
>>545587313Remember 2 years ago when republicans said the same shit?
>>545588952Most important post in the thread has 0 replies, bot swarms trying to make people think there’s a meaningful difference between red and blue.
>>545589570I am saying that is what WOULD happen if we went by the popular vote.>>545590087Fuck off, retard. Go play in your litterbox.It is a guarantee that if Cali and NY were allowed to dominate elections with the popular vote, majority of the states would secede.It is literally the antithesis of the foundation of the country.
>>545587586Politicians stop campaigning in Ohio and only campaign in Los Angeles and new York
Is there any good argument to keep the electoral college? As far as I understand its just a leftover from 17XX where the people didnt got the informations needed about the possible candidates.Why is it needed now?
>>545588811How are you gonna feed your infinity browns without farmland?
>>545587648That would have been voter ID and a non personally identifying tabulation ID that would allow you to verify how your vote was counted on a ballot receipt, but believe what you want to believe. It likely won't matter what either want to see happen. Neither of us is going to get it. Unless you want to live in a nation wide Chicago or LA
>>545587112It would so fucking funny if they did.
>>545590243yeah you're a dickless yurotroon alright. I can't wait for russia to kill you all
>>545587112If they do, the SCOTUS will likely rule it an illegal interstate compact, so it lands squarely in the realm of lawfare, with a high likelihood of being voided.Abolish the filibuster and pack the Court first, THEN we can talk.
>>545588104Republicans won the popular vote just 2 years ago.Its actually not that hard if you bother to try.Republicans never do because they dont need it, now they will.
>>545590373>Is there any good argument to keep the electoral college?To prevent 48 states from going their own way.Whether or not they should already is a debate but deleting the EC would guarantee it. And then the federal government would start trying to invade states and all hell breaks loose.
>>545589702No. Without the electoral college your vote matters even less because candidates only need to win the biggest population center. If those people vote to give your land to someone other than you for "reparations," or something they can do that more easily. It will go to corporations, not negroes. The vibes of New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago and Houston will decide everything.
>>545588952>People say this every two years.They say this every two years because the jews are still around playing red jew blue jew kabuki
>>545587586Republicans literally never win again because the big population centers only care about gibsmedats.
>>545590419cope miggernobody in this country likes you
>>545587586America becomes a normal democracy where the majority decides things.
Civics is alien to people under 40 it seems.Thinking that it would be wise to allow 2 states to control the other 48 is why you will never be anything of value.
>>545588811Good luck trying to make money while you have roving bands of hungry shitskin cannibals looking for their next meal. We just have to bunker down and wait until you eat yourselves (literally)
>>545588152Probably yeah, whites will still be a powerful voting block because we will still be the largest portion of the population, but both parties are going to have to have multiracial appeal.We are becoming Brazil. Republicans are going to become the religious party and try to appeal to a mix of evangelicals and Hispanic Catholics.Its gonna be a white-brown coalition party.Immigration is dead as an issue by the way, that ship has sailed.
>>545587112No, they don’t
>>545589824Trump barely won popular vote last time and since then he let in a lot brown jeets
>>545587687asking the right questions
>>545590373The argument given is that without the electoral college, rural voters lack power compared to the higher concentration of urban voters. However, this only applies to the presidency specifically, The House of Representatives still gives rural voters their local districts and as such their voice in government is heard. Also, prioritizing rural voter representation by default means denying representation to the larger group. Which is to say: "I hate the idea of being ruled over by the majority of people getting what they want, we should actually have the MINORITY of people get what they want and the majority be unhappy, that makes more sense." Which is obviously an insane thing to say.
>>545589993All things considered, Jeb! wasn't that bad of a candidate.
>>545590186We have a fuckload of jeets too and it's only getting worse. Texas is absolutely swamped with them for instance.
>>545588413>Migger faggot is still seethingIsrael will cease to exist this decade :)
>>545587310One person one vote :^)
>>545588113What an arrogant little shithead you are
>>545587112Texas will just secede with the rest of the South.
>>545590636>allow 2 states to control the other 48which is why we need to abolish or circumvent the electoral college. every voter should matter, not just the welfare queen "farmers" in wyoming
>>545588158You wont do shit.There arent enough people in america financially desperate enough to start a civil war.The worst you might do is go shoot up a Walmart and get AR-15s banned in your state.We've seen this all before
>>545587970Yeah it just has to take on new policies, maybe change colors, their logo, their messaging, their target demographics, maybe a new name wouldn’t hurt etc. But definitely not a “new party” or that the old one died, no no of course not because it would be bad optics amirite? It’s not like Trump just sacrificed the GOP for an excursion in the sand
>>545587586Rural farm states would lose power, then people would leave, less incentive to farm, mass starvation, typical socialist shit.
>>545590200For some states moving to popular vote won't meaningfully change things, especially battlegrounds, but for example it would mean that the Republican party would actually find it worthwhile to campaign in the red parts of upstate New York instead of sucking off fucking Idaho because even if Idaho is 80% Republican and New York is only 40%, there's 20,000,000 people in New York State vs 2,000,000 in Idaho so that's still way more votes to care about earning for a national election.
>>545590904>less incentive to farmOH NO NOT THE CORN HOW WILL WE EVER MANAGE WITHOUT HAVING CORN SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS
>>545588277Most of those states have resource extraction-based economies, so thats not really an option.You cant have a functional nation comprised entirely of office workers.
>>545587310yes, 100%
>>545590837You are an absolute fucking moron.The EC is the only thing keeping Cali and NY from choosing winners on their own.Like I said, you're retarded and civics is alien to you.
>>545587586Civil War that ends up with millions of dead Democrats and the Democratic party being permanently outlawed in the US like NSDAP is in Germany.
>>545590373>>545590759The answer is that the states carry out election procedures for federal elections as well. The state apparatuses carry out the majority of federal spending, enforcement, and directives. The electoral college is a reflection of the federal system. The states make their elections individually.>>545590759>the argument given This poster is a total clown and a genuinely stupid person. He confuses his own headline-addled confusion for answers because he’s incredibly lazy, arrogant, and to repeat, stupid.
>>545588490Nah, third parties will still be irrelevant
>>545590997>in order to prevent a small number of states deciding elections on their own we must ensure a small number of states decide elections on their ownmost intelligent migger philosopher btw
>Cali and NY will control popular vote>Flood in even more illegals into their state as a way to gain even more power>Rinse and repeatYeah no, that isn't how you manage a union.
>>545587112Yes. BS system.
>>545587112Veto
>>545590600you aren't American. you're a dickless yuropoor. all nonAmericans are subhuman
>>545591118>if you don't worship trump and miga you aren't american!!!!!!!you lost texas btw
Democrats won't do shit, they are as useless as the GOP. Obama had the House and 60 Senate votes and they didn't do shit
>>545587833You lost tranny
>>545591167How many senators do you think Texas elects?
>>545591106No, it's how you maintain checks and balances.The government is currently designed for deadlock in order to allow STATES to govern themselves.AKA SOVEREIGNTY you dumb faggot.Give all of that power to Cali and NY and there's no more union. And you faggot6s sit weaponless just ripe for the taking.
>>545588610You cant grow corn on concrete idiot.Good luck having an economy when your only export is excel spreadsheets.The fact is, for the american economy to function we need both rural and urban states.Blue america and red america would both economically collapse without each other.Its why all civil war talk is fucking retarded
>>545587313It can make a comeback when boomers and gen Xers are dead. The new republican party will need to focus on most of its issue as they're fairly popular but completely separate itself from sucking shit logs out of israel. People have started to notice finally and it's becoming a hardline point.
>>545587112what does the EC do
>>545591106>tiebreakers means the other results didn’t count or existA common mental shortcut used exclusively by mental midgets
>>545588694You wont do shit
>>545587586Mob rule where 5 states decide every election while the other 45 can't do shit about it.
>>545591220and how many governors does texas have?>>545591226>maintain checks and balances by giving welfare queens 100x the voting power of actual humansyou lost migger
>>545590904>less incentive to farm, mass starvation,These two things are literally polar opposites in terms of supply and demand lol. If people are starving that means food is in demand and more people will go into farming to make money off higher food prices. Right now farmers are the biggest welfare queens in the country to begin with, there's no mass starvation at all. Our problem is Americans are too fucking fat. Hell, corn is so heavily subsidized we throw away millions of acres of arable land to use it for ethanol production and feeding cattle corn instead of grass
>>545587112This is the same battle that has been fought for over 200 years, between the federalists and the anti-federalists. The democrats (who were born out of the anti-federalists) continue to push their desire for a pure democracy. Their opposition to the EC is simply an extension of their opposition to the Republic.> should they delete?No, and anyone who promotes such an idea wants to see you literally dead
>>545587310Yes. Cheeto was the last straw.
>>545591167post gunz, yuroshitskin. it's an easy test. All Americans own guns. if you can't post gunz you must be a yurosubhuman on a vpn
>>545591012LMFAO you won't do shit faggot.
>>545588734You wont do shit>>545588952This, both parties need someone to blame shit on.Neither party actually wants one party ruke because that means they would be responsible for everything.Politicians want power but hate responsibility.This is why incoming democrats are going to make absolute clowns of themselves over the next two years as they fail to solve anything and blame republicans for it.
>>545591184Dems are also monumentally more radical than they were 20 years ago, and with whites all but done as a relevant entity in the US once they get their mass amnesty there's no reason not to go scorched earth to ensure they're forever at the bottom of the totem poll until they're exterminated.
>>545589570>>545590321Top five largest cities by population New York city(far left, always vote dem)Los Angeles (far left, always vote dem)Chicago(far left, always vote dem)Houston(recently left leaning)Phoenix(recently left leaning)Popular vote would result in democrats winning across the board. No one would care about issues outside the city or the votes. Just keep that propaganda machine focused on the city dwellers. I'll be long dead before we become a majority Muslim country. I wonder if all the Indians will flee to Canada. Imagine another Hindu Muslim conflict but on Canadian soil. Muslims will keep importing cheap labor. This is the future
>>545589059Yes, we are communism now comrade
>>545587112Do it. This would only serve to make people violently seek revolution and that's the right direction to go, you'll see major cities burning when leftists don't get what they want and subsequently culling themselves.
>>545591184Obama never once during either term had 60 senate votes. Highest majority he ever had was 51-49. Stop lying.
>>545588610You have 90% of the money until they jack the price of food up and take it from you lmao.
>>545587794not in this case
>>545588004This just shows how low IQ Democrats actually are.There is no logical reason for any state to join the compact, it's just Democrats trying to rig the system because they think they will always win the popular vote (even though Trump won the popular vote in the last election).There are two possible outcomes for each state: 1. Your state's vote is the same as the popular vote2. Your state's vote is not the same as the popular vote.Joining the compact will not change anything for your state in situation 1. The ONLY thing that would ever change for a state that joins the compact is that they would cuck their own state's votes in situation two.I just realized it's just another form of that stupid red button vs blue button meme. Also, anyone who thinks politicians wouldn't pull some bullshit and back their state of the compact if it ever went against their own party's interest is extremely naive. Do you really think that if that compact was in effect in 2024, that California and New York and every other blue state would just give their EC votes to Trump because he won the popular vote? Of course not.
>>545591184>Obama had the House and 60 Senate votes and they didn't do shitthey only actually had that for like 60 days. Ted Kennedy did the only based thing in his entire life and had a stroke which left him a vegetable but not actually dead and they didn't seat al franken right away and by the time Kennedy actually croaked his appointed replacement was only in office for like 140 days before losing a special election
>>545589087>anything plebs do mattersLel, every revolution in history has been led by elites.Who's going to lead this civil war my dude?Anyone you could think to name is in on the game
>>545587310Yes. The Democrats should flup to receal they were full white supremacists all along. Checkmate
>>545587732you also get no country
>>545591719you're a fucking retard. obongo had 60 dem senators for like 140 days in 2009 or 2010. that's when they passed obongo care and all of those bills that sent tax payer money to the mega rich
>>545591334>welfare queensThe EC was made when wealthy colonial white men owned most of the land in states, it has never ever been about being fair to impoverished rural whites period.
>>545590278So they are going to start a new bloodbath if they don't submit?
>>545587313you are underestimating the power of democrats to fuck shit up, you are underestimating why trump even won in 2016 and 2024. And those idiots are even more radical now in all those things that made people rather vote trump..
>>545591321Neither will you. You'll do dumb tranny shit then cry when it flips again.
>>545589304The constitution was made in such a way as to deliberately make changing it require bipartisan support.The founder did this because they knew politicians are sniveling petty scumbags who shouldn't be trusted to change the structure of government without broad support.
>>545588271>retarded welfare queen farmersOh shit we got a true Leftist here
of course. they lost fair and square to trump so it's not that hard of an argument to make. the ec is broken and should be abolished.
>>545589429Aww c'mon man, leave the boomer funko pops alone.What do you care if a few of them use them to blow their brains out every year.As for mass shootings, more people get killed by ladders every year but you dont hear anyone trying to ban those.
>>545591744I'd legit rather buy all of our food from other countries than give retards stupid enough to secede anything. I hope you enjoy eating all that onions China won't buy lmao.
They can't, it would require a constitutional amendment and they are nowhere near enough votes to do that.
>>545590271>I live in bum fuck nowhere so my vote should have 3x the power of someone who lives somewhere people would actually want to live.Lol
>>545587586dismantling the legacy of slavery
>>545591951Naturally this is what will start happening very soon. Just like in most of Europe where it's okay to rape and murder white people, democrats will import more muslims and open the prisons to let them run wild raping and murdering every white person they come across. Unironically, because the left doesn't care about optics as they already control all media, public discourse and courts.
>>545590271Yeah, where most of the people live. Dumbass. Move out of the sticks.
>>545588158Nigger mindset.
>>545587112If you think they would do that, or anything beneficial, I'm sorry this election gave you hope. They won't even get Trump's admin into court for more than a few days despite all of them swimming in blatant corruption. This isn't a migger reply either, this is just reality.
>>545587586youre gonna find out why it was made a rebuplic and why democracy doesnt work, chuddy.
>>545590176The reason republicans rarely win the popular vote is because they never try to because the EC means they dont need it.The democrats are not an absolute majority regardless of how much they like to pretend they are.If we switch to national popular vote all that means is republican presidential candidates will stop campaigning in Ohio and start campaigning in Los Angeles. It may actually make things easier for republicans since it will make ballot harvesting measures more effective for them since it will make republican votes in urban centers worth collecting.Trump won the popular vote in '24 through voter registration drives on college campuses convincing young men to go vote republican.
>>545592209Why would other countries ask reasonable prices when they don't have to?
>>545587313Everyone keeps saying this and then the party monumentally fucks up so hard the other party gets a free ride back. Almost like its coordinated.
>>545590192>If they want to get rid of the EC, they should ask Wyoming if they are still willing to be part of the Union with these new termsThe answer will obviously be yes in this case because Wyoming needs the rest of the country to export its resources to, but I get your point.Honestly, getting rid of the EC isnt that big of a deal.Where there would be real problems is trying to abolish the senate and that WOULD require a constitutional amendment
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>>545592760The uniparty is real. Hence why trump and friends ran the worst kike shit possible.
>>545592378>I live in a shithole apartment complex in a dirty, crime ridden, drug infested urban hellscape, surrounded by the mentally insane and homeless dregs of society. I'll probably start living in my car soon but let me tell you country bumkins how to live. I know better than you and my vote is the only one that counts.Kek
>>545587586>So what happens if they do?you have to win more votes than your opponent.1 PERSON 1 VOTE
>>545591902Yeah, probably.Democrats would absolutely start a war to force Republicans to do what they say.It wont happen though because republicans are too spineless to resist on a large scale.Or more accurately they are too financially comfortable with the stability the union provides.Things would need to get far worse economically before there would be any real risk of economic collapse.
>>545593014Easier to import votes, chud.
lol faggots really did not think this through at all
>>545587586Bond market collapses
>>545592209you zoomers are so retarded
>>545587586Same as Poland and other countries. More neutral parties would appear, which is why Democrats will never abolish EC as Republicans is a better controlled opposition than lefties splitting into commies, woke commies and moderate parties
>>545587112The only way to do that is with a constitutional amendment. Are you people really this retarded?
>>545587586tyranny of the massesand the ticket to winning is bringing in tons of migrants to wintrump failed to pass election reform so this is on him
>>545592637If Republicans started campaigning in California I assure you the state's voting rules would immediately tighten up.
>>545587310>>545587112If tom catches jerry, the show ends.
>>545593097This implied every immigrant would vote Democrat, when in reality Muslim immigrant would vote muslim new party, moderate would vote moderate new party etc. Nobody need to team up to go against Republicans when they can group up to have own representation as entire party
>>545592548He doesn't even have to move though, that's the point, he just gets the same weight of vote as everybody else no matter where he lives.It's fair. Where I live doesn't influence how I vote, I just vote. There's literally no rational justification for the EC anymore.
>>545591963I'm not going to do anything either, im a republican.Im just pointing out the objectively true statement that despite the faggy whining we are going to be hearing from bitter faggots, there will not in fact be a civil war over this or any other such nonsense.Please stop claiming otherwise, it makes us look like retards.
>>545592548Food and fuel comes from the sticks idiot.
>>545589358Here’s a tip for you anti trump shills. There is no such thing as DEI for Whites. Whites in their nations deserve supremacy. The EC is White power and only shitskins want to eliminate it for et we eternal brown leftist Jewish rule. To make the USA like South Africa under democracy. Fuck you traitor
>>545593607The cities would get the most investment because that is where most of the money will go. The great thing about this is that this will completely fuck the bond market, which is what will unironically cause a civil war as inflation eats up people's savings and their immobile capital assets loose value gradually as the country turns to shit.
>>545587586Look at Canada. That's what happen.
>>545592661This, particularly when blue areas would have nothing to trade because all of our exports come from red areas.America is not going to split because it would be devastating to both sides.We hate each other but we need each other.
>>545587313It won't take decades if democrats go extreme left again. Same reason they lost the last election and republicans lost this one. A democrat win doesn't mean everyone who voted is a democrat. Both parties need to realize that the votes that decide elections are not voting for a party.
>>545587586Eventually we become a majority Muslim nation. Sharia law becomes part of our constitution. We send all the jews to Isreal. Mtf trannies have to wear a burka but they dont mind. We start a war with Canada, because we dont like Hindus or Indians. We form a coalition with other Muslim countries to destroy Israel.
They should do whatever the fuck they want. That's the precedent.
>>545589702Retarded Christcuck ignores the whole Democrats giving 1 billion jeet citizenship in 4 years so White people popular votes get drowned out
>>545593472Probably honestly, and when republicans start targeting religious Hispanics suddenly the democrats will become pro deportation.Politics is fucking gay
>>545587586Infinity Browns +2
>>545587586Instead of politicians pretending to care about the mid-sized states, they all just camp out in California and ignore everyone else. You just move up the date of when the shooty part begins.
>>545589343If the inner party supports it, itll be law..
>>545592661Because the US has a giant economy(not the parts that would be seceding in this hypothetical) and that gives us leverage. Same way it is now since we already import a lot of food.
>>545590609NAFO nigger talking about democracy when the founding father’s intentionally put safe guards against democracy.
As long as Poland is still right wing and White, i don't give a fuck if everyone else is brown and fucks your blonde sister. Next year we are getting far right parliament and President.
>>545587878dear God, I hope this is fucking bait. nobody could really be this stupid, could they?
>>545593598every invader votes democrat because their people all jump to democrat. That's the reality. jeets, sandniggers, niggers, spics, all vote democrat.
>>545590698No it’s not christcuck. In Brazil anti immigration sentiment only gets stronger. Fucking christcuck already trying to cede immigration away.
>>545587112this is delusionalreminder that an amendment requires 3/4 of the states to ratify itits why they just did Obamacare any way they could make it look like it was real instead of doing it the proper way and making an amendmentbecause that 75% bar might as well be (((you))) trying to pole vault a 75' bar
>>545594087Exactly.It would be very similar to Canada. Quebec and Ontario basically decide our elections and nobody gives a shit about the rest of the country.
>>545587313Theres no "undoing" this anymore. That's like saying after California went blue that after enough time passes it's going to go back to being Republican. It's game over for America. I find it hilarious that so many retards out there think this is a good thing for the entire country to be California. Like people aren't fleeing California in droves, I wonder why they do that hmm
>>545594164the scotus will block it
>>545590837Christcuck already applying the dangerous ideology, every vote is equal. No dipshit like. Votes are not equal. White male votes need to matter more.
>>545587112
>>545587313>he thinks democracy isnt completely retarded and voters wont just 180 on their previous vote like they do every election (You)'re a fucking retard even by /pol/ standards desu
>>545591106Autobahn anyone who uses the word migger. KOS.
>>545587112Are they retarded a constitutional ammend requires a 2/3 majority of house senate and states. They do not have that.
>>545594577you lost migger
This is a constitutional amendment, which you either do through congress which doesn't have the votes or a special convention which has literally never been done before. They can nuke the senate filibuster though, which honestly, good, now it's not holding either side back.
>>545594471Not when they pack the court
>>545594485There is a reason the only real feasible political solution for the right is limiting the voting rights of people who receive welfare.If the only voting population was net tax contributors, democrats would never win again.
>>545591794>There is no logical reason for any state to join the compact18 states already have though
>>545593607The founders themselves debated pretty hard about this.The thing you have to keep in mind is that the US is supposed to function more like the EU, but a century of external threats has forced us to become more integrated than the founders intended.The senate exists to give each state equal representation, which makes sense if we still believe in state sovereignty.The house is meant to proved direct representation for the people.The problem the founders had was that they couldnt decide if the president should be selected by the people or the states.The EC was an attempt to compromise by making it a combination of both.Direct election wasnt really viable with the technology of the time, so the alternative would probably have just been election by the house, making him effectively just a prime minister.Maybe thats a better system, who knows.Whether or not the president should be directly elected by the people depends on what we expect the president to actually do.Originally it was intended to be more of an external facing role with internal governance being handled by congress.Therefore it was believed he should represent the nation as a single entity rather than the people specifically.If we want the president to have a more active role in governing internal affairs then it makes sense for him to be directly elected, but im not sure thats a very good idea to invite the president to have that kind of role in domestic affairs, though to be fair he kinda already does.Making the president a direct representative of the people just kinda formalizes that.
>>545587310Yes
>>545587586large city based populism
>>545594601Doesn't need an amendment. States control who they send as electors. If enough states decide they'll only give their electors to the winner of the popular vote, that's fine. Elections are entirely a state matter.
>>545588152>in anything resembling the republicans of oldOf old? Old? Of what 10 fucking years you retarded faggot zoomzoomoid? Holy fucking shit Trump isn't fit to sniff the used jockstrap of ronald reagan
>>545587112Okay. Do it. See what happens. Do it. What? Do you think it means the US becomes a monoparty? It removes the US VS Themism that has driven politics for the last 100 years. It opens the left up to finally have a fatalistic schism where they hold absolute control and can realize they all fucking hate one another and want each and every person they previously stood in solidarity with very, very fucking dead. Do it.
>>545594369Of course its getting stronger in Brazil, rich countries always oppose immigration because nobody wants to share.
>>545594940Yeah, where 80% of the people live
>>545594757Who nominates the judges, fatso?
>>545587586Effectively ends the point of states completely. They just become lines on a map that mean nothing.
>>545595147Retard.
>>545590609like us right? around 25% people who have voted
>>545595143The next democratic president
>>545595214Not an argument.
>>545594902The American system has proven to one of the best and most resilient. It has done a fantastic job of keeping every branch in check in comparison to other countries. It's not flawless, but it's magnitudes better than the available alternatives.Simply compare it to the UK, AU and Canada. All of them are dysfunctional psuedo tyrannies where the ruling parties actively use policy as a weapon to garner votes. It is not uncommon for the ruling party to hand out cheques before elections.
>>545588952>it's fake broYou're thinking of the uber rich. To the politicians that lose their salary it's very real.
>>545595254>State&local level politics as a whole will completely disappear because my heckin melty over the idea of EC going awayReality doesn't work like that champ
the migger meltdown would be funny.. and they wouldnt do anything in real life cuz their cucks
just accelerate at this point. the faster things fall apart, the faster we can pick up the pieces and start over. starting to agree unironically with the accelerationists.
>>545587112>VETO
>>545587878>unironicallyKill yourself
>>545587586Functionally, it means the cities decide the course of US history. And the Democrats have long-touted it as being some absolute power play with their voting base salivating at the idea of absolute control. So the US becomes a monoparty, the DNC attains absolute control, and nobody actually has a choice in anything because the loudest voices are the largest cities. And it won't be long before smaller blue bastions suddenly realize they aren't getting funds anymore because why in the fuck would the largest cities ever give them even scraps or the time of day when they no longer require them in the slightest. What are they going to do? Change their vote? It won't even fucking matter. They would rip their own larynx out for the sake of the current establishment of the Democratic Party, and the only way back out of that would be oceans of blood.Do it.
>>545590837Yes let's make everyone's votes matter by making it so that only the votes of those living in NYC and LA matter. You need to be euthanized. You are dangerously stupid
>>545587112This would result in secession for many states, and possibly civil war. Suddenly buying food in NYC would get very difficult.
>>545587112No, they should not.These moron should pick up a book and specifically plato and realize what tyranny of the masses is. Real democracy is fucking terrible. If they do away with the EC, it means that from that point on, basically anywhere outside of NY, Cali, FL and texas will get zero fucking representation since they dont have the population for a straight democracy to work for them. It WILL result in the balkanization of the US.
>>545587112So how cooked are you guys right now? Looks like the white race will be erased and pedophilia will be legal now.You guys could have help fix this though, but we all know the lulz is more important.
>>545595242then they wouldn't need the fucking interstate compact shit retard
>>545595510Lol no
>>545595355>third world brown shitskin hates the GOPevery time
the fallout from the coming ground invasion of iran will be the catalyst that gives them public support to do this
>>545595616Not as cooked as people think we are, its just typical doomer posting and post mid term depression.The reality is, reps were going to lose, in the last 22 mid terms, 20 of them flipped based upon what party was in power, so them flipping the house and senate is pretty much expected, them losing this bad? not so much. It means nothing in the long run.
>>545595647It's for every presidency afterwards..
>>545594902Yes, exactly, it's archaic. Back when it was created you choose "electors" who you would trust to be well informed and make the appropriate decision. Now, that's not needed as we have mass access to media and information about candidates. Our electors don't even make their own decisions anymore, and are essentially just selected to pass along the same vote as they were selected for. As such, the EC no longer serves any useful purpose other than to provide different weight to the popular vote for president. They don't make decisions and don't act as representatives, they just take the state level vote and turn it into the weighted presidential vote, which is bullshit, and justifies getting rid or the electoral college as it is just an unfair weighing to the popular vote now.
>>545587648you mean open season on brownoids (non humans)
>>545587112They might want to check which states have all the military bases before they do this. Just a suggestion.
>>545595650Anon, let me help the other Anon's point. You know how Colorado is a blue state? What if California voted to take everything from Colorado. Colorado doesn't have enough people to vote against California. California, by the glory of democracy, gets everything Colorado has.That's democracy manifest.
>>545595461Or instead of an ocean of blood needed to try and course correct; we lean so hard left that we become a Muslim nation and finally break free of jew control
>>545594942Not necessarily.There are a lot of federal laws around elections which is what has made the fraud cases so difficult in recent years.It will absolutely get challenged if passed.Supreme Court justices are faggots that always try to do what's gonna change shit the least so they would likely come up with some way to strike it down.Supremacy clause most likely.
>>545595735the only way the dems would be able to do your plan is if they won, got a filibuster super majority or nuked the filibuster
>>545595800No, this is democracy manifest, now get your hand off my penishttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PeihcfYft9w
>>545594942article I section 10 clause 3 says congress needs to consent to interstate compacts
abolishing the EC would be retarded right now.Democrats just flipped the second most populace state in the union.Now they have 1/3 of the total electoral votes in their pocket. (CA and TX)
We're not a direct democracy, we're a representative republic. That's the whole point of the electoral college, to balance something sort of in the middle between the communist bleeding hearts in the cities and the cousin fuckers growing all the food out in the country. Democracy by itself is a horrible idea, you and I sit in a room with 10 other people, and we all vote to eat you, sorry this is just the process working as intended don't question our hallowed institutions
>>545595147Nah, the senate still exists
>>54559522525% would be an improvement.Last night's shenanigans were the product of ~13%
>>545595283The american system of government is like a jenga tower that collapsed on itself in such a way that the blocks are all leaning on each other and somewhat holding a structure in place.Our government is a dysfunctional mess by design
>>545595461Yes, democrats say this, but thats because they are short-sighted idiots who think they actually represent the majority.The truth is that neither side represents the majority and every election the number of eligible voters who didnt vote outnumber either party.Elections will still be a game of voter enthusiasm and turnout.All it does is remove the importance of swing states and make political campaigns look more like concert tours.
>>545595510No it won't. This might piss people off enough to vote different, but america is too rich as a unified power to break apart.You might have a handful of pissed off chuds decide to try a taliban, but a civil war that is not.Early seeds of one maybe, but we are a long way from that
>>545595750>Now, that's not needed as we have mass access to media and information about candidatesWe also have mass disinformation. The idea of direct democracy by a well-informed public is a quaint notion, but the fact is the average person doesnt really care and is more focused on other stufff making them vulnerable to propaganda.Direct democracy as a general principle is a bad idea because it puts an unrealistic expectation on the general public to be well-informed.Most people can barely manage their own lives and should not be trusted to make decisions that significantly affect other people.
>>545595750I think you missed my point about whether or not we actually want the president to be a direct representative of the people.Why is that a good thing?
