Honestly this is a good point.I've yet to ever see this refuted.
>>545653590Define Good without pretending relativism can ground its own differentiation without spawning a dialectic in which you pathetically define yourself relative to your opposition.Go on, try to inherently violate your own apparent nature just to win an argument you’re already making under the false assumption that conservatism even exists.
>Pol Pot was the good guyBased
>>545653590Julius Caesar.
>>545653590French revolution Marius vs SullaRed revolution...and if you are red pilledWars of the CoalitionSecond World War
>>545653590I would say Eisenhower the Republican when he beat the Nazis. But then, you might be right... he should've been fighting on the side of the Nazis if he was a good guy, gassing jews like you.
>>545654525Caesar was a populates/leftist his main ally was Clodius Pulcher a cross dressing tranny
>>545654648Patton was right wing and constantly wanted to rearm the Wermacht and fight together against the Russians
>>545653590>I have never thought beyond my indoctrinationLeft boot. Right boot.
>>545654613Oh also English civil war. Charles I literally did nothing wrong and followed his duties as a monarch and the leftist parliament sperged out on him for absolutely no reason. And they looked like clowns in their kangaroo trial against him after the war
*Ahem*
>>545653590hitler
>>545654679He took the position of dictator (at the time just meaning "guy who tells you how things should be") and restored the senate to its primary duty, using some resources to pay for public goodwill which was necessary (buying time) in that extremely heated situation.It was Augustus who defined the Empire as it became, with the Caesar being a dictator who explicitly tells you what to do instead of arguing suggestions.
>>545653590op says fighting against slavery was a bad thing.Know your own history retard, the democrat party was formed from the side that lost the civil war, the REPUBLICANS won the civil war.
>>545653590>FACTS>contained inside: an opinion
>>545653590when you rewrite history to pretend every failed liberal revolution was really "conservative," sure
>>545655005Conservative just means maintain status quo and liberal/left means change. It was Pompey and Cicero who were the side of the conservatives and Caesar and Mark Antony the force of radical change. Remember Caesar fixed the grain dole and calendar as radical changes and purged the Senate of his enemies. He was there to overthrow and change the status quo
>>545655026>nuh uh! the parties switched sides!
>>545655026do you think conservative just means republican? abolitionism was a progressive change to make. the conservative choice was to keep things the same, that is to support slavery as democrats did. because they werent progressive at the time just as republicans werent conservative at the time.
>>545655026The 1800s Republicans were a left wing party. They pushed for the radical change of abolishment of slavery. Southern Democrats were status quo conservatives
>>545653590I'd argue that in cases where they temper destructive tendencies of radical reformers it was good.>>545654525lol no
>>545653590Soviet Gulags.Simpleton take by the way, get educated.
>>545653590>hitler was a socialistchecks out
>Spanish reconquista and all other European wars of independence.
>>545653590Name five historical incidents.
The US Revolutionary War.
>>545655005Okay. None of that precludes him from being a liberal. He was part of the populares who were the liberal portion of Roman society focused on rights and benefits to plebs in a society where wealthy was rapidly accumulating in the hands of a few.
>>545655334See>>545654613
>>545654338>define goodAnything that makes you mad is good
>>545653590me
>>545654894Spanish civil war
>>545655218I genuinely have no idea what this meme is trying to convey>Democrats were actually the anti-slavery party during the civil war>Republicans are still the liberal party in America
American civil war too
>>545653590Yeah, hitler was pretty good!
>>545655129anyone have the journalism version of this?
>>5456535901pbtid.
>>545655292coming soon to "liberal government" half a decade ago
>>545655522GOP was liberal in 1860
>>545655249When did Democrats become "progressive?" Was it before or after the Civil Rights Act?
>>545654894this is the right answer
>>545655642Exactly
>>545655537Wait, people on here keep telling me Hitler was a woke socialist? So is he or not?
>>545655249The conservatives were objectively the good guys in the civil war.
>>545655653Yes. The switch happened with LBJ and his great society. Nixon was shockingly liberal despite happening after this time because he was a residual from the time before it
>>545653590Your blue wave is crashing the economy.Millions will be unemployed by the time your faggots get sworn in.Good luck, rhetoric wont cut it anymore, you have to actually solve problems now.
>>545654613>French revolutionBasado
>>545655724He was fighting conservative orthodoxy.
>>545655249>>545655283Go it, so try to change the definition at that time because the facts are real and cannot be disputed.I'm sorry which party up until very recent years had mambers with direct ties to (and funding from) the kkk?
>>545653590>1pbtid You fucking retards will fall for A N Y T H I N G and then cope when called out on it by saying "I-I'm just bored kek." No, you're fucking STUPID and have the impulse control of feral niggers, which is why jews are right to humiliate and enslave you suckers.
>>545655797Nixon was the good guy
>>545655921The democrats
OP understands he lives in a world in which the liberal left has revised history in all possible ways to present their faction as being the heroic victorious winners, and their opponents being weak cowardly evil losers. He sees this and he buys it, he does not look deeper or question the narrative he is presented with. He does not seem to notice that without mass civilisation shaping totalitarian power to control the minds of men that exists in the present, this narrative would not exist. He willingly chooses to be a part of the organism and subsume himself within it.
>>545653590>historical incident>conservativesI dunno, man, that sounds like kikeslop pilpul.
>>545655836You just said he was pretty good though in response to conservatives doing good things, now he's fighting AGAINST conservatives? Just admit you don't know anything about your god and don't actually believe anything, pathetic fag.
>>545654455>Based Pol Pot appreciator
>>545655921>change the definition at that timethe definitions of conservative and progressive havent changed, the ideologies of the political parties has changed. the world has changed. all the stuff that was progressive in 1870 is definitely not progressive anymore.
>>545656148Nothing about hitler was conservative.
>>545653590>*according to Tikkin Olam or its 9001 variants (Whig History, Moral Arc of History, Star Trek's philosophy, 'It's the Current Year' school of argumentation) which is why any conservative to proclaim themselves allies to Israel are traitors.Conservatives must always be in the wrong if you take any Tikkun Olam dervied philosophy as a core foundation (like christcucks do). This is why christcucks can only ever lose ground but never regain ground that has been lost. Islam can (and has). China can (and did under Deng Xiaoping), Vietnam can and did. Everyone who isn't Christian doesn't have this problem.
>>545655724Eh kind of. There's a few things to remember on the topic of socialism in early 20th century Europe. Much of it was a sort of carrot reaction to communism, gove the plebs shit and they'll calm down, Engels and Marx both specifically raised concerns that increasing liberalism in Germany and Britain would render the masses docile and unwilling to topple the bourgoise. Beyond that socialism in Europe was never a bad word in Europe like it is in America, Hitler and Mussolini were never leftists or liberals and the Nazis never coalitioned with leftwing parties.The best analogy to describe the portrayal of Nazism through an American lens, it's like if a third party was just republicans but hard on immigration, supporting unions, and supporting a few liberal economic policies like work programs and public housing, but otherwise towing the line of social conservatives (trannies bad, gays bad, Islam bad). Now of course these weren't the issues of Germany at the time, but it illustrates how the Nazis were compared to the traditional conservative parties.
>>545653590>facts>looks inside>an opinionFaggot liberals like you are part why everything is so fake and gay now
>>545656085literally to the point they believe Andrew "Trail of Tears" Jackson loved and protected the native tribes just because he was the first Democrat president
>>545656215Hitler was Christian and wanted to preserve his race. That’s conservative.
>>545656294Shitskin takes are never good.
>>545656215Nah
>>545656377Trump goes to church more than hitler did and hitler didnt give a shit about the white race. Thats why he killed more whites than anyone in history. Very progressive.
>>545656453The socialist creating an entirely new world and a third way philosophy totally outside the norms of his day cannot in any way be described as conservative. Hell he even trusted the science too much.
>>545655249>The mental gymnastics just to think of themselves and their politics as moralHoly fucking shit dude. You do know that both sides of this argument are fucking stupid. Humans are not moral creatures and any political side you choose is always the international cannibal banker choice. You are literally arguing for the same side. Left or Right. Its all the same beast and anyone no matter how fucking great in history who has tried to fight the central banks has been crushed. All the way back to fucking Caesar. >IF YOU ARE UNIRONICALLY BELIEVING IN LEFT V RIGHT STILL YOU ARE A NORMIE. IT IS ABOLITIONIST OF CENTRAL BANKS V GLOBALIST NORMIE RETARDSIf you are a leftist and you forgot about Occupy wallstreet you are a joke to me.If you are a rightists and forgot about waco or covid you are a joke to me.
>>545653590>historical incident>has never read a page of any historyk
>>545655249You're retarded bro, abolitionism was supposed to follow up with exodus, it wasn't a progressive policy but literally "we will free them and send them back", the future democrats were against it because they wanted to continue exploiting niggers.Now about 200 years later republicans are still talking about sending them back and dems are still exploiting them.In 200 years literally nothing fucking changed.
false
>>545656598>entirely newA nation free of foreigners wasn’t a new concept. Kicking jews out for the 1036th time definitely wasn’t new. But you know what, you’re new and you need to lurk more and post less.
>>545657054Germany didnt have any foreigners back then. Yes the nazi experiment was an attempt to create a post liberal philosophy to last a thousand years. It failed but it was quite radical and revolutionary. It wasnt low iq skinhead stuff from the 1970s and 80s.
>>545655292They didn't say lefties were always good, they say conservatives are always bad
>>545653590So the civil rights act was a good thing then?Yeah ok nigger-lover
>>545654648>Eisenhower the Republican when he beat the Nazis. Eisenhower was the Leftist between those twoWe are looking for a time on history that the leftists weren't the good guysYou really can't think of any
>>545655026And in the Civil War the Republicans were the leftistsWe are looking for time in history were the Leftists were not the good guys
>>545654679Caesar was a filthy communist
>>545653590Er...the bon fire of the vanities?
>>545653590
>>545656395They aren't commiting suicide and you are. That means you'l be 'right' until the last white draws his last breath. Then China will call you retarded and no one will be left to argue your point. That means you were wrong. That will be the legacy of the white race if you stay the course.
>>545653590people who think there are good guys and bad guys shouldnt be allowed to vote
>>545659003Truth
>>545655642The GOP is still liberal. The Dems went from slavery to liberal to communist. There is no conservative american tradition.
>>545653590You cannot stop progress. To do so only means that you will lose to your competitor and then you die.
>>545660240>Dems>CommunistActual braindead boomer who watches Fox News 8 hours a day
There has always been an eternal incident for which sneed fed and sed. The sign is always and forever a subtle joke. Feeduck rhymes with seeduck.
Bleaveit ornot.
>>545658630China has one of the lowest birthrates on earth. Lower than europe even. Brown takes are always low iq.
>>545660240DSA is still liberal and always has beenGOP is still conservative and always has beenthe American Revolution was a conservative revolution that conserved everything but British authoritythe French Revolution was a liberal revolution that saw King Louis beheaded, then turned into a Reign of Terror so awful that the survivors tried to revive the monarchy four fucking times just to make the horrors stop
>>545660421So bernie isnt a commie? Idk about that.
>>545653590The bad guys won world war 2, discord tranny. Also, american cuckservatives have not existed for more than like 70 years.
>>545660937The American revolution was extremely liberal at the time. The very definition of liberal.
>>545658129>if I change definitions constantly to fit whatever I want, then I'm always right>sorry chuddy, I win again!
>>545658129The allied were the conservative faction of ww2.
>>545653590I like how even in the memes the left has to portray themselves as a 98lb weakling nerd lmao
>>545661110and yet they never dragged King George to the guillotine, or even tried toyou just pretend every successful revolution must be liberal, and every failed one conservative, under your "real communism has never been tried" trope
>>545653590>1pbtid
>>545653590everyone is conservative. everybody who fights for anything is fighting to conserve what they hold dear. Indigenous americans were conservative. Colonial settlers were also conserving their lifestyle against the faggot monarchs of europe who thought they were conserving their culture of masquerading around in autistic looking castles wearing wigs and makeup and frilly faggoty lace. Everybody is conservative.
>>545653590Conservatives attempted to stand in the way of National Socialism.
>>545661424everyone is conservative about what they know, and liberal about what they don't knowpeople who are liberal about everything know nothing about anything
>>545661382Because king george was half a world away. They did kill or exile all the king’s representatives. Most of the English speaking parts of eastern canada speak english instead of french because thats where the loyalists from the American revolution fled to. In no way can it be claimed that the american revolution was some conservative or reactionary revolution. Its pure enlightenment liberalism made manifest. The iroly is that the england the colonists revolted against was the most liberal progressive state on earth at the time.
>>545661434This
>>545661772>no Year One bullshit>only British rep they executed outside the battlefield was Benedict Arnold, and him for being a traitor, not for being British>you even admit enough British lives were spared to settle Canada, whereas Robespierre himself wasn't spared the guillotine in an actual pure liberal "enlightenment" revolutioneven after the midterm victory liberals have nothing left but spewing lies
>>545653590Francoist Spain
>>545662238The first american action of the revolution was to invade and conquer canada. That failed. Had it succeeded they would have kicked the loyalists out of canada as well. The french revolution was a direct imitation of the American revolution. Why was it more bloody and degenerate? Because English and french societies were totally different. Know how you cant just drip western democracy down in afghanistan and get positive results? It was the same in france in the 18th century. France was a despotic shithole where the masses were illiterate peasants who knew nothing but serfdom for centuries whereas england had centuries of gradual emancipation and a rules based civil society with a strong legal code even before the enlightenment. Thats what made nonsensical ideas about freedom and the rights of man seem legit to begin with. The average english yeoman was fairly well educated and responsible. The illiterate rabble of the continent much less so. America at its core is a liberal experiment and collapse into nigger mob rule is the enlightenment are liberalism of the founding fathers taken to its natural conclusion.
>>545660985You're pretty dumb brahhe is sharply critical of contemporary "uber-capitalism" and unfettered corporate power.Instead of traditional state socialism or public ownership of all means of production, his platform functions more like European-style social democracy:• Support for Private Enterprise: Sanders has clarified that he does not want the state to own cars, banks, or every private business, and he acknowledges the role of small businesses and market innovation.• Critique of "Uber-Capitalism": In his book It’s OK to Be Angry About Capitalism and public addresses, he argues that the U.S. economic model is heavily rigged to benefit a small billionaire class while driving extreme wealth inequality, stagnant wages, and a lack of universal healthcare.• Proposed Reforms: Rather than ending markets, he advocates for strong government regulation, higher taxes on the wealthy, universal single-payer healthcare (Medicare for All), a higher minimum wage, and campaign finance reform to curb corporate influence in politics.Academics and political analysts often note that his actual policy prescriptions resemble mid-20th-century New Deal welfare capitalism or modern social democracy rather than Marxist-style state socialism.
>>545663668He lied and flip flopped? Sounds like commie behavior to me. >he just wants the new dealWe have the new deal right now. It never ended.
>>545665290You need to quit listen to Bill O'Reilly you retard. That dude is not even trying to be intellectually honest. He's trying trying to make you dumb
>>545665290>We have the new deal right now. It never ended.• The Argument That the New Deal Persists: Proponents of this view point out that the core institutional pillars of FDR’s New Deal remain fundamental parts of American life. Programs such as Social Security, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and various federal labor standards established in the 1930s never ended and continue to regulate the modern economy.• The Argument That the New Deal Has Been Eroded: Conversely, many progressive analysts and politicians argue that while the structural framework remains, subsequent decades of deregulation, cuts to public infrastructure, and changes to the tax code have significantly weakened the scope and protections of the original New Deal, necessitating a modern expansion o
>>545665290Sanders frequently points to Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal and Scandinavian social democracies as the blueprints for his agenda.
>>545665682I wish the new deal was dead but its not. Bernie is a typical commie jew. Nothing unused about that. Not all dems are commies but some are and they literally tell you that they are. Commies ahitlibs are so terrified that people might realize what you are before you can gain total power but dont worry anon. Communism is a dead meme. Its never gonna happen.
>>545665794Yeah commie nonsense.
>>545654894Facts. Total roundhead death
>>545653590Easy: Churchill was a great man.>in b4 muh Indians, muh class warfareHitler was literally Hitler, and the British destroyed him all led by a conservative prime minister.
>>545653590Define "conservative".It differs VERY differently than liberalism (which is actually a broad Right Wing stance and viewpoint, which the Left stole for themselves, even though the Left is completely illiberal).
>>545666655hitler was a good man, Churchill was a fat, drunk, zionist puppet and discarded as such. youre lack of historical knowledge is telling.
>>545653590liberals have never been a part of anything good, no just insert an ad hominem for all responses and then, profit???
>>545653590Kyle rittenhiuse
>>545667320Kyle Rittenhouse
>>545653590>If I define everything conservative as bad, then the conservatives are always bad. >Btw I can't define good or bad because I reject all religion or non-materialism, but I will still make emotional appeals anyways.
>>545653590They've literally never lost a war. Conservatives defeated fascist in WW2 and then went on to collapse Communism. Conservatives are based.
The TroublesŌnin-Bunmei WarThe Pastry WarThe Anglo-Zanzibar War
>>545655129Happens every time with captilism, right now its 2/3 of wealth on a planet is owned by a tiny fraction of a percent
>>545653590Liberals are disgusting faggots and enemies of the civilization. Probably the best approach is to be revolutionary for some problems like social security, and conservative for stuff like birth rates and ecology, like the Stalinchad who was both the revolutionary and the conservative
