Why aren't you Eastern Orthodox?
>>545699489What's Eastern Orthodox?
>>545699489Filioque
>>545699489Eastern Orthodoxy has a good metaphysics but Jay Dyer is an inbred southern retard who uses presuppositions to prove his point. He's an idiot, and anyone who accepts his arguments on that basis is an idiot.
>>545699578Some kind of Jewish religion. Do try to keep up.
>>545699489jay dyer is so vaginal and fake
>>545699489because I'm not an alcoholic
>>545699639jay dyer beat this guy in a debate IRL. eternally seething
>>545699489Jay is the reddit of Orthodoxy.I'm Orthodox . . . while rolling my eyes at Jay.
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>>545699489Orthodoxy tried to have a council in 2016 and the patriarches complained about seating, and other petty shit, and couldn't fix the problems they wanted to fix. It's an embarrassment. They also caused 90% of the heresys in the first 1000 years of the church, and forced a ton of councils, and made Rome fix them.
>>545699639Jay is not a presuppositionalist you paeud
>>545699811What do you disagree with him on?
>>545699489religion is for mentally weak faggots
>>545700363>paeudPseud*
>>545699489I dunno, why should I be? Why orthodox and not catholic or protestant or such?
>>545700525Orthodox don't take converts so it doesn't matter
>>545699489you ever read the Bible? as in you yourself read the Bible? In Matthew and Luke, Jesus himself is critical of the religious clothing and making a spectacle of faith. Faith and obedience to God is done out of love for God. Big fancy churches, giant crosses and religious jewelry, special clothing for 'religious purposes...i think it's all wrong, man.
>>545700841BUT i think that way because i've read that in the Word of God. i didn't think that way about all of it until then. Now, i can't unsee it.
>>545700619Yes they do? Whatever gave you that idea>>545700525Orthodox is the original church handed down and established by the apostles. It has withstood corruption unlike Catholics and Protestants and remains true to the church christ established. It is antizionist, patristic, and is pro nationalist
>>545699489Fatima proves catholicism. We're already getting PHD philosophers to convert month over month.
>>545699489>Why aren't you Eastern Orthodox?I'm only part slavic, and it's western slavic>>545700949>Orthodox is the original church handed down and established by the apostles.nah it's still Pauline
>>545700525>catholic or protestantBoth allowed faggot marriages. Both allowed abortions. Priests of both are fucking children and everyone knows about it.And both are ruled by kikes. Must be a coincidence.
>>545699578>What is the Christian Church?>>545700525It's the original church.>not catholicHeavily corrupted after Vatican 2.>protestantHeresy that separated from the authority of the church. Protestantism isn't even real Christianity because they split off from the church authority and tradition to interpret the Bible however they want and caused countless different sects and denominations that can't agree on anything.>>545700841>you ever read the Bible?Who canonized the Bible?
>>545699489Because it doesn't really exist, it's all play-pretend.
>whens u playing byzantines feirst time
>>545699489>Eastern Orthodox
>>545701223>>545701354>>545701355>>545700949>the original churchI don't remember Jesus starting no church.
>>545701140you are aware that Paul met with Peter, John, and James the Just, right? you are aware that in 2 Peter, Peter calls Paul a beloved brother, right?
>>545699639Why do orthobros love the word "presupposition" so much? They don't even offer an explanation or a counterargument, it is just naming the fallacy them strutting around like a piegon playing chess knocking all of the pieces over as it declares victory.
>>545701420You are not wrong but you talk like an insufferable reddit fagcunt.
>>545699489The closest church to me is a hour drive.
>>545701402Matthew 16:18"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."it is important to note that this 'church' is a people. no special building needed. you can see what it was like in Acts of the Apostles or Eusebius's Early Church History.
>>545701555yeah, i thought the same about you when i read what you wrote except it was wrong. figured you'd read the reply and get angry enough to look it up
Jay is not orthodox, he is a wygzantine high priest
>>545701402That's what apostolic succession is. There were no Protestants in the early history of the Church. Protestants are basically like "authority and tradition? What's that? We're going to interpret things how we want to interpret things" which is how we got to sects like Zionist Evangelicals that worship Christ-denying Talmudists or Mormons believing in Joseph Smith.
>>545701594You will always be a protestant.
>>545701420yeah and they excommunicated him from the Jerusalem church over the Antioch incident. Then the Jerusalem church, the original, true Christian Church was destroyed and it's remnants scattered to the desert when Rome sacked Jerusalem. The remnants spread the religion to Arabian tribes which seeded the beliefs that eventually became Islam. So, in a way, Islam is the true inheritor of the original Christian movement.
>>545701481The guy you are replying to is arguing against orthodoxy and using that wordm ironic then, that he doesnt know what it means and is guilty of what you are accusing orthobros of. >>545701402So you just never read the Bible or anything about early church history then?
>>545699489Orthodox are exactly same pussies like Christians they allow Mudslimes in their countries.
All I know is that orthodox christians apparently preach submission to the church, being the only source of all truth and all. But then the actual orthodox church went to call out Dyer and and politely told him to stop his shit, because him and others are making the orthodox church look bad. That said, instead of submitting to its authority Dyer is now saying the orthodox hierarchy has been corrupted and pushes his own private schism featuring whatever church submits to his authority.
>>545699489Same fake and gay hierarchy as the papists.
>>545701791The churches in Antioch Corinthians and Ephesus were all established within a few years of Jerusalem and all followed orthodox traditions. You are making a distinction without difference
check out Jay doing the PERFECT Kat Williams impressionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHLHkmuE7cU
>>545701892One schismatic bishop does not "the church" make. Why make these accusations as if you know what you are talking about?
>>545701813The very least it's kinda vague and can be interpreted either way depending on your intent. Jesus went into the temple and flipped the tables and chased the money changers out of the temple. Don't think he would've liked whatever his church turned out to be. Like that coca cola tier corporatism and begging for donations on youtube.
>>545699489Because God probably does not exist
>>545701937No it isnt. Papism has a central and infallible authority. Orthodoxy is decentralized and no single bishop is infallible
Orthodox church is just wing of FSB. "Из-пoд pяcы тopчaт лaмпacы"
>>545701980no they didn't there was a schism over whether gentiles had to follow the old laws like circumcision.
>>545702069You dont think he would have liked how his church turned out to be even though the apostles directly followed the traditions and instructions Jesus gave them? On what basis do you say this?>I dont think Why should I care what you think?
>>545701892Orthodox churces are just private clubs really. You "submit" to whoever the local patriarch is. It's all bussiness and politics, religion part is just a façade.Hence why larpers blow their cover the moment they quote Bible verses (or even read the Bible which almost no orthodox does). They even argue using protestant logic.Go to the Catholics if you want a more mystical flavour of christianity. Orthodoxy is just religion mafia.
>>545701767No, I used to be catholic. BUT then, i read the Bible for myself. after finding some issues and learning from the Bible, it seems man has frequently tripped over man's tradition instead of the Word. so, let the authority be in the Word of God as it should. can't sign on to sects or denominations.
Anyone that is interested, here is a debate that Jay Dyer had with David Wood>Eastern Orthodox Vs Protestantism, Which Is the True Church?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpKKCNJ81NE
>>545702200There was no schism over circumcision in Jerusalem you lie. They had a council over whether it was required and all of them agreed it was not
>>545702232>Orthodoxy is just religion mafia.Catholics are literal money laundering mafia with their own private banks in Rome designed for that very purpose. And they've been doing it for hundreds of years.
>>545699489Because I'm not Greek or some variety of Slav.
>>545702127>What is the autocephalous churchYou're not Orthodox and you're not a Slav either, you glowie LARPer
>>545702233Who interprets what the Bible says?
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>>545702232mystical like special hats, trying to talk to dead people (praying to saints)..specific warning direct from Christ regarding this. the communion ceremony is totally wrong, Christ himself decared 'it is finished' on the cross. Book of Daniel can tell you about the 'Queen of Heaven' evil entity. at least half of the Old Testament is about events involving idolatry. Christ said, call no man your father, for we have a Father in heaven. AND WHY DO THEY KEEP FUCKING THOSE KIDS?
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>>545702232This>Hence why larpers blow their cover the moment they quote Bible verses (or even read the Bible which almost no orthodox does).They're transparent about it too. They'll openly say the Bible is "too dangerous" or other garbage to justify why they don't read the Bible, and by extension why they dgaf about scripture.
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>>545702533>4f5ae722a5101d5d81c757f83(...).jpgThat's what I call a Protestant huchpa.
>>545702383C'mon bre. At least in that geographical area there is an established mafia tradition. You know damn well any orthodox church is about dirty money and influence, jokes on us we're low level players, robbing old ladies of their pension money.Btw, you will pay your "church" services in euros now.
>>545702569Wow this reddit post certainly proves orthodox dont read the book they wrote down and canonized. Glad you posted this blistering expose anon
>>545702448the Bible interprets the Bible. it even defines this within the Bible. it says, paraphrasing, in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses it is established. the Bible will establish itself among the books of the Bible, written across time. Christ is all over the Old Testament. He's in Psalms, he's in Genesis, he's in Daniel, he's in Joshua. Compare Paul's writings to the Gospels, the doctrine of Christ remains the same. 1 Samuel tells you all about King Saul and his error, and Christ emphasizes the point that obedience to God is more desirable than offering a man can make.
>>545702003That impression is kinda marvelous.
>>545699489It is a larp
>>545702767>the Bible interprets itselfDoes it read itself to you as well you retard?
>>545702715>At least in that geographical area there is an established mafia tradition.Mafia tradition is all Catholic confession was about for hundreds of years. Well, not all, it was also about fucking children in basements and on private islands on Malta owned by the Pope - doesn't it sound familiar?
>>545702383yes, Operation Gladio is really wild book about ww2 and the papacy. you can find it on rumble as an audiobook if you don't wanna buy or read. it's so much worse before that during the venetian pope/orsini period
what are the differences between catholicism in western europe and catholicism in eastern europe?
>>545702501Yeah, orthodoxy is all you described, special hats included.>>545702767Okay, you are on the right track. You haven't read the Bible either, or atleast not the Old Testament. Still a protestant larper though.
>>545702809Beat getting a real job honestly. He flunked out of university without getting the degree and lied about it. Is all you need to know about him besides him being cunt.
>>545702980Dunno the last time i was in a church the old cat ladies were going into a trance.
>>545702980https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_SchismHave fun reading.
>>545699489I was born into it, but don't really care because its all nonsense. Bible is a coded "cheat" manual to this reality, its not really a literal story of anything.But, orthodox is generally the same as Catholicism without the boy fucking because priests can marry, so its not a destination closet for homosexuals that want to hide.
>>545702980in the early church of say 400AD there was only one church, the word catholic just refers to the entire church at that time. Then some pope decided to commit heresy and created what we now refer to the catholic church which is just a corrupted form of the original church. The Orthodox church is just what remained of the catholic church, it is still the true original christian church. Every protestant church is just a reaction to the corruption of the original church.
>>545703184Wrong about that one. Being married gives you an alini for boy-fucking, there have been cases over here.But hey, we can be honest: all denominations have boy diddlers. Protestant pastors too.
>>545702980catholic just means original church, its an oxymoron because the catholic church is a total corruption of the original church. the orthodox is the uncorrupted original catholic church
>>545703299Aren't you talking about the coptic church?
>>545700422Being a faggot mostly.
because i am jewish and judaism is the one true religion
>>545701376Nathaniel is a jew.Never trust a jew.His soul may be pre-conditioned for salvation, but he comes off like a plant.An insert.I genuinely don't trust his claims of belief. I could be wrong.But he's a jew before he's anything else.
>>545703430the coptic church is part of the Orthodox (original) christian church
>>545703476Your heresy cargo cult is bullshit.
>>545702380Acts is what lies, Paul's own writings Galatians proves the schism
>>545703065>>545703171>>545703299>>545703396thanks for the informationin south korea, christians who support the dem party tend to be catholic, while those who support the conservative party tend to be protestanthowever, because these protestants often exhibit levels of racism, xenophobia and anti-communism comparable to the maga, most south koreans hold a negative view of themthey are really extremely they hate foreigners a lotinterestingly, a notable number of former south korean presidents and former japanese prime ministers have been catholic
>>545703299>>545703396Orthodox judaism is the original faith, all the rest are schismatic corruption. Trust me bro, proof is obvious: it has ORTHODOX in the name, plus it precedes the others.
>>545699489imagine LARPing as Jewish Wizards
>>545702437Autocephalous church is a meme
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>>545701354>It's the original churchNo, they schismed off in 1054.
>>545703013what is a protestant larper? is it the Saul thing? Saul doesn't kill the king of the Amelikites. He takes alot of spoil instead and does some burnt offering and spreads the loot around. Samuel rebukes him. Later, Saul goes to a woman who has a familiar spirit and gets her to do some conjuring and something like Samuel shows up and tells Saul that he's marked for death now. That's paraphrasing but it's right there. Saul and his son Jonathan die a pretty miserable death later on at the hands of an enemy. King David succeeds him.
>>545703383They are worse than Catholics or Prots. All three have pedophiles, but the EO actually CANONIZED a guy who married a five year old:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Milutinhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimonidaThat's right, they literally worship a pedophile as a saint.
>>545699489Because this guy. He is not smart as he think.
>>545701376He's jewish and he "converted" to Catholicism
>>545699489because ROCOR has a nicer ring to it
>>545703686>>545703759I concede. You are indeed true pork eaters and believers. Happy fasting.
>>545702367>2 retards fighting
>>545699489Why couldn't they even keep Constantinople? Is their religion fake or something?
>>545704145i don't think that was ever rescinded (the unclean food thing). i live in an area of the USA where it is extremely popular. and yet, most GMO shit in animals is done on pork. also quite suspicious that it is so cheap. i don't know what the fuck your problem is but if i post again i'll start describing the time i had to stay on a ship with romanians. Peter's vision was regarding Gentiles, not food. the context makes that very clear. there is no additional text describing pork as a clean food, though there is additional text regarding the great commission. we can easily find GMO fuckery with shrimp as well.
>>545703870Nah, Nathaniel was a Russian Orthodox guy. He was getting shunned for being antisemitic so he left. He had to join some Catholic thing because no one else would give him the Eucharist.The Catholic Church doesn't excommunicate or expel people as freely because they believe theyre the true Church. Its not like they think everyone else is going to hell, but they dont want to send you to hell themselves by kicking you out. They'll only do it if you do something schismatic against the Church itself, or have an abortion.
>>545699489Man, this guy became an internet lolcow fairly quickly; why did he have to attack Professor Dave?What was he thinking? A science-illiterate, arrogant retard is just going to magically win by mocking in a spergy way?Every single frame of Jay's reaction to that guy is now milked because, in retrospect, the guy truly looks retarded from every angle.If you have a niche of retards to milk for money, just keep silent at that point.
>>545699811Even mentions of Jay Dyer were banned on Orthodox reddit for more than a decade.
>>545699489CHRISTIANITY IS FOR SLAVES
Why are you gay?
>>545702764>wrote down and canonizedNote the verb you're not using in the present tense
>>545699489they didn't prevent me from being circumcised they're not fighting against usury they don't oppose race mixing
>>545699489Because superior ways exist
he chimped out during that call with handsome truth. typical grifter
>>545701481Its their debate tactic, because they know they would not fare well in any other form of a debate. Presuppositionalism is basically all attack no defense. Its used by street preachers, not serious philosophers or theologians.
>>545709902the fact that Jay spends his time 'debating' is just lowbrow showmanship and a waste of his talent Jay is actually fun to watch when he does not stoop to Jordan Peterson level 'facts & logic"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmCU7YCb1vY
>>545699489Orthodox is a bit too close to being a bolshevik jew for my liking.
>>545699489Because I'm Dual Seedline Christian Identity.
>>545702980East european catholics don't read. Neither bible nor the news. They only like the vibes.t. Was Catholic for 25 years
>>545703572What was this then?
>>545699489I will convert to Orthodoxy, op, the moment they don't have a screaming bitchfit and schism over something for an entire month. Mount Athos is a geriatric mma match.
>>545699489Because no one has convinced me that it is true. And no, the "transcendental argument" where you say that knowledge is only possible if Eastern Orthodoxy is true does not work. People like Dyer and Sorem have never shown that the controversial premises on which they rely for the argument are true. For example, Sorem claims:>Furthermore, upon reflection, one will see that without this, we will be left in the same epistemic predicament as outlined earlier with the various autonomous epistemologies, and consequently, we will have no justification for the existence of knowledge.But he never shows that that is the case. He just claims that reflection will show that. But those of us who have engaged with the argument have reflected, and reflection did not show us that. So he has not proven his claim is any significant way, and neither has Dyer.
>>545712143Quote got messed up but it is:>Furthermore, upon reflection, one will see that without this, we will be left in the same epistemic predicament as outlined earlier with the various autonomous epistemologies, and consequently, we will have no justification for the existence of knowledge.
>>545699489Seems to me like they're more concerned about defending their group instead of bringing glory to the word of God.
>>545702232Idk what kind of churches you're going to but at every Orthodox church I've been to in the US and Russia, the service is all prayers/the epistle and gospel readings and you can just go there to pray, and there has never been a hint of politics ever suggested.
>>545699489I am not a shitskin.
>>545699634John 20:22>And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.Orthodox say that if you interpret the previous verse as Christ giving the Holy Spirit, you are anathema, cut off from God and going to hell.There's also their blasphemous views on Mary; and their icon veneration; and their denial of the sufficiency of the offering of Christ where they insist it is not enough and you must also have the acceptance of men in hats.What did Christ say?John 3:16-18:>For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.>18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
The Holy Cross Orthodox Monastery in the state of New York live streams their liturgy every day. They are just starting nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WVnPC7njVgeven if youre not religious, you might like their Gregorian Chant style of singing
>>545699489But I am. Orthodoxy or death!
>>545699489Cause i’m not a larper that lives off novelty labels. And christians don’t exist.
>>545699489EO isn't viable in the West. I tried it. Much easier to be Catholic.
>>545699489Orthobros convinced me it is nonsense for retards whose only requirement from a religion is which is more 'based', they should just become islamists honestly and a lot will. There is literally not even any such thing as Eastern Orthodox, like which one of the mutually exclusive clubs that are constantly condemning and excommunicating each other do you mean?
>>545701402That's because you are a fucking imbecile
>>545701223There is absolutely no gay marriage in Catholicism you moron
>>545700949Yeah the apostles other than Peter, the only apostle to whom Christ actually bestowed His mandate and to which they all owed allegiance for a thousand years until disintegrating into warring factions. And which of the many self-excluding churches did your e-boyfriend convince you to join? Which one is the real one? Did he tell you why the name orthodox was only applied AFTER they were reformed in the 17th C. and then spent centuries persecuting all the people who wanted to keep their old religion?
>>545699489I was raised Ukrainian Orthodox and never the priest, or anyone involved in the parish ever said ONE WORD in favor of white people. My traitor cousin married a nigger and everyone there was happy to accept him. Christianity is a cancer, all flavors.
>>545702047It does though because there IS no central authority in any 'orthodox' church, they are all schismatics, anyone can say anything they want and it's always the other guy who is at fault
>>545713467He's talking about orthobros which is what this thread is about, orthobros do not believe anything they just want their e-senpai to notice them
>Baby-dunking works-based Alexandrian cult (East)Enjoy Hell.
>>545718331Prots don’t have valid sacraments. They are cut off from the ordinary means of grace. They are far more. Calvinists burning than there are Catholics or orthodox.
