>It bears repeating that because Linkola's ontology is basically summed up by the phrase "to be is to be ecological," the Mind of Progress has effectively mandated that the "birthmark" of ecological impossibility be implemented as official state policy. In a strange reversal of Zizek's claim that "Nature doesn't exist," Linkola has instead shown us that "democracy doesn't exist," for democracy is simply the institutionalization of ecological impossibility. We are quite literally living in a society of institutionalized nothingness in which Being has become a crime. Linkola's ethics is closely linked with his metaphysics, insofar as his ethical mandate for us all "to be ecological" is simply redundant of the metaphysical demand to restore Being over the chimeras of nothingness.Discuss.
>>545718775Isn’t this just Kantian imperative for greenfags to feel like they’re cutting to the chase with climate skeptic normies?
>>545719052>Isn’t this just Kantian imperative for greenfagsYes, but I'm a special kind of greenfag.My nation is Europa + Russia + North America + Australia + NZ + Parts of South America.
>>545718775The reading is compelling but it remains trapped in the hylian problematic it seeks to overcome. If Linkola’s "to be ecological" is redundant of being, it's because the silent protagonist is the one subject who has already traversed the fantasy: he does not speak, he is merely named and so he stands as pure act, pure courage, without a symbolic mandate. Žižek, conversely, occupies the structural position of the princess, the excess of wisdom that can only articulate itself as prophecy and as such remains perpetually abducted by the real.The "birthmark" you identify is then not a metaphor but the literal inscription of the triangular void on the back of the hand, the point at which the order’s lack becomes visible on the body. Democracy "doesn’t exist" because the master sword was never pulled, it was merely pedestaled. Hyrule is institutionalized nothingness, and the calamity is the return of the repressed nature that the sheikah tried to foreclose. One is tempted to conclude that Link and Zelda were never two, but the minimal gap between a name and its bearer. And yet, as the old man in the cave warned us, it is dangerous to go alone.
>>545719330Nice effortpost, thanks.
Here's some interesting AI slop based on Spain Anon's post:
Another passage from the same book explaining how (for example jews but also the industrial society) use language to manipulate their host populations into subservience....with these resources in mind, we can finally attempt to reconstruct Linkola's own theory of madness. Like Foucault, Linkola argued that madness must not be contrasted with linguistic rationality, for madness is primarily to be understood as an abuse of the language of sanity to craft impressively-complicated proposals for objects which seem perfectly viable so long as one only evaluates them on linguistic grounds. Linguistic syntax is not sufficient in itself to unearth why a five-headed unicorn with wings is not a real object, since there is no grammatical error as such in this string of symbols. Because discovering that its status as a chimera is false requires something beyond language, the madman is simply the one who has linguistic rationality but has fallen short in another area of reason. The abuse of language to affirm chimeras which are, in themselves, gaps of nothingness and non-being is therefore the definition of madness for Linkola as well.Linkola goes beyond Foucault's analysis, however, by suggesting that one can only succeed in unearthing these chimeras' unviability if one evaluates them on strictly ecological grounds.
Some more interesting stuff fetched by the LLM.I am strongly attracted by this type of reasoning similar to systems thinking.
>>545718775I used to think that Linkola was smart and cool when I was a teen but then I grew out of philosophy as it is useless and produces nothing.
>>545721929>I grew out of philosophyThat's sad. Probably you just didn't find the right type of material.>as it is uselessNot true, it is politically very useful, as a tool for alignment and scientifically too, by defining what constitutes science and what doesn't.>and produces nothing.it produces political alignment and quality information, to begin with.
>>545718775>The Legend of Zizek: A Linkola to the Past
>>545718775Nature doesnt exist? We are nature . What does he imply that nature doesnt exist? That the word is not what its pointing towards?
>>545722707We're extracting unknown shit from the hyperouranion here, what are the odds of a perfect nominative match?
>>545722808Zizek is a subversive goblin, a lot of dumb marxists suck his cock.
>>545722854I never want to judge a book by its cover, but he is a difficult one for me lol
>>545723379>I never want to judge a book by its coverYou should, there is a nonzero relationship between genotype and phenotype (which include culture and ideas).
>>545718775Being is happening to us, nothing we can do to the fact that 'we' (the body) are (always in relation to environment). The body itself does not distinguish itself from the environment, only through the activity of thinking. Thinking also happens to us , for we cannot stop or activate it, we can only react to what already is present. Feeling (experience) cannot be stopped , only if you would kill yourself. Breathing, eating, shitting, reproduction, sleeping , are all natural bodily rhythms that 'we'(thinking) cannot seperate from. Free will is illusion, because the choice one makes , is a reaction based on the body i.e thinking , feeling (not seperate, its happening all the time). By repeating identification through thinking , we've thought ourselves seperate from nature (which is impossible, we are all bound to nature , and we are nature, we're just petty products of life itself which can be quite something (scary) so we try to hold on to the imagination by repeating (rituals) because every living organism wants to 'feel' 'safe'. Nobody wants to 'feel' 'pain' unless already feeling pain.
The book I'm quoting from is this one, by pajeeta race-mixer Chad Haag but whatever.He's onto something.
>>545722110Dude I run a herb garden.
More about man (and animals) into the environment:
>>545723907Self is based on the environment, without environment no self. Ultimately self is illusion and there is no internal/external. Its one big happening (which might not be very productive view).Every baby born , is born in an already existing world.
>>545724079Exactly. "No man is an island" or "No nation is a (political or environmental) island" or "no group is a (social) island" are other ways to verbalize similar concepts.Nuking India and China would be ethically justified under such premises.
ALSO continuing the discussion about judging books from covers, this is the book's author.Some of his ideas are good tho, even if he's a left-leaning environmentalist.The challenge for us is to extract good ideas from the rest and using them to empower ecofash forces.
>>545723863If you classify herbs, select the best among them or if you run statistics on their production, that's already a philosophically intensive effort.Nature and philosophy are strongly related.
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>>545718775He is talking about democracy, but he should be talking about multiracial/multiculturalism. A society cannot simultaneously cater to mutually exclusive human ecologies
>>545718775Brother I have no idea what you’re talking about
>>545731744One redpilling step at a time. First smash democracy and egalitarianism, the good stuff comes after that.
>>545731933naw it is a false target. All of these guys just side-step the issue since they are close to the truth they attract people to their cause, but their cause is false; and they will never deliver
so he's basically saying democracy is a will to nothingness, because it violates the ecological... i.e. leads to the decline of populations and the undermining of the environment that they depend upon?
>>545732432Yes. Since the majority of humans alive are retards who cause pollution and vote in a stupid way, their will (democracy) violates the conditions that allow the very survival of the biosphere.
Ayyyyooo petti mention
>>545718775You are misunderstanding zizecks point he isnt really disagreeing with linkola. They are both saying humans are a part of nature so the distinction between man and nature is meaningless.
ALSOI didn't give you these two links:SHHHHTyoutube.com/@HaagAlienPhilosophy/videosrumble.com/user/chadahaag/videos?page=3Unfortunately many of his YT videos (about 700) were deleted because they discussed Ted K etc.
>>545732922Zizek said that "Nature doesn't exist" as what he called a "romantic idea", which amounts to him subversively trying to rewrite humanity's idea of nature to allow for more cementification, urbanization, overpopulation and technological intrusion.Look it up.
>>545719052ecology is not (necessarily) to be understood in that contextsociety is also ecology in that context>>545718775sounds not (entirely) wrong
>>545732614This is true, but I would argue that all species are self-destructive given the chance. For example, if you put a bunch of deer on an island without predators, the deer will not manage their population, they will continue to reproduce until the population crashes due to lack of food.
>>545718775this and 5 dollars will get you a medium cup of coffee at Starbucks
>>545733253The modern idea of "nature" was crafted during the romantic period of the 18th and 19th century. Zizeck is correct saying that it doesn't exist, its an ideology. The human nature dichotomy isnt real. Thays why zizeck is correct saying nature doesn't exist and linkola os correct when he says all humans are ecological. There is no contradiction in those two statements.
>>545718775So we have gone full circle to Aristotle or something?? >zoon politikon
>>545718775>Linkola's ontology is basically summed up by the phrase "to be is to be ecological,"it discounts the morality and responsibility of those, who set you out in this worldi.e. the parents are to blame for you existing, you are but an innocent child, who may or may not have been asked to be born
>>545733531this is correct. humans are part of nature, and so is everything that we create, even when it destroys the idyllic
>>545733531Can't you see Zizek's subversive intention?Haag correctly identified it.
>>545735369it's subversive to the idyllic, romantic view of nature, but that's not a bad thing. ecologists should not be romantic about nature. Zizek is highly critical of the waste of capitalism...
>>545735555Dude, the biosphere was qualitatively degraded in the past 200 years, that is an objective fact.It's not just some fluffy ideological bullshit, the biosphere is objectively being destroyed by 9 billions of (mostly retarded) humans.
>>545735369I just disagree with Haag on his analysis. Granted ive only watched his yt videos about linkola, I havent read his books. Zizeck is correct in his analysis. Now if he uses that analysis to say we have no other option but to accelerate technology than I think thats wrong. but the underlying point about nature not existing is true. "Nature" is nothing more than an abstract human construct.
>>545735627I don't deny that. It still doesn't mean we should romanticize nature... nature is often brutal and unpleasant. that doesn't mean we should destroy the biosphere, but it's still true. zizek is critiquing ideology, not suggesting we should be destroying the biosphere.
>>545735627The biosphere is being destroyed. But there have been at least 6 completely "natural" mass extinction events that were done completely by nature. Why does that prove anything?
>>545735894>>545735952Alright, BUTYou can't just hide your head in the sand and ignore an objective degradation of the biosphere from a time point 1 to a time point 2 and dismiss the previous state at time point 1 as a "romanticized ideological construction".That is just lying.
