This Thiel backed startup says its AI can find a 14 point IQ gap between your embryosit's called Nucleus and their tagline is literally "have your best baby"> you do a round of IVF and end up with a bunch of embryos> you send Nucleus the DNA data for each one, up to 20 embryos> its AI reads more than 7 million spots in each embryo's DNA and compares them to what it learned from more than a million people> then each embryo gets scored on things like IQ, disease risk, hair color and eye color> you pick the one you want implantedscoring your embryos starts at about $6,000every one of these embryos is naturally yours btw, with zero gene editing involvedAmerica's main medical genetics group says this is moving too fast with too little evidencebut that hasn't slowed Nucleus down at allwhen the founder announced this new AI, he wrote "AI is rapidly getting smarter... Now, humanity can too."
>>545728020lol what could possibly go wrong
I’m suspect of any new tech at this point but I think society and the world is backed into a corner where the only way things I’ll improve or get better is if people were somehow smarter which hopefully would mean become more reasonable and rational to interact eith in a society. They also vote too. Society could maybe course correct to some degree…but the sad thing is even if those babies grew up to all be geniuses or super smart for arguments sake- by the time they are in the work force or inventing things or voting for change—the world may already be destroyed
>thiel backed startup>AIlolthe single biggest predictor of IQ isn't even genetics, it's childhood nutrition and access to education
>>545728020>IQ is genetic>but race isnt realLol
>>545728982Education doesnt make you more intelligent. Using your brain keeps you from getting dumber but I don’t think it raises your iq.
IQ is literally worthless
>>545728982Purely economic factors
>>545728020>I'm sorry Sir.. your embryo, it's retard.>'Which one?'>All of them.
>>545729318>Education doesnt make you more intelligentsounds like cope
>>545728020Women are going to be like “he needs to be 140iq, blue eyes, blonde hair, at least 6 foot 6 inches tall, 8 inch penis, defined jawline”Then theyll eventually seek for other mens nut and well have to kill them and their kids.
>>545728020Yeah, imagine if they will actually lie to you and tell you that shittiest embryos is the greatest? That would be hilarious.
>>545729688Trust the science goy, pay Thiel to pick your child for you.
It's like they're trying to sound as fucked up and evil as possible. Stem cell farm method for sone fucked reason or what? Not like they wouldn't find an use for the "leftovers" afterall.
>>545728020Fucking jews, lol. They will get the goy to pay them money and give them embryos for their baby farms. Between the millions of child sacrifices jew doctors do in abortions and the amount of infant blood they could harvest from this, the power of the jew is about to go supercritical.
>>545729468>you are, after all, a God damned nigger.
>>545729546It doesn’t- education to IQ or intelligence is makeup or lookmaxxing to your natural appearance. I’m not saying don’t educate yourself or to try to learn things from sources tou trust but education only helps you attain a potential you already have. It can’t create it.
>>545728020having a high iq child is the fastest route to 1. paying for bro forever 2. never having grandchildren
>>545728994You're confusing what's heritable with what's racial. Those are different claims. IQ can be partly genetic and race can still be a social construct.
>>545728020conception has to happen at a particular place at a particular time and all things have to be aligned with the motion of God. I know it sounds crazy, but eventually the AI will come to understand this also and the question is it hide things from people in order to sustain company profits.I think it would be better if we just had AI bathroom meters. Just by standing on it in the morning it will eventually be able to tell a woman the best date to try to conceive with her best eggs. Maybe for a thousand dollars or less, and it could work as a personal assistant as well for everyone in the family, tell the kids to get their vitamins, remind the man to shave and brush his teeth, also what kind of things they need for daily vitamins and minerals.Imagine how much healthier people would have been in that world, but nope your going to be breeding factories slaving for poison with a little medicine mixed in to keep you alive. Just slave away a little longer and pop out a new egg for the cold machine birth.
>>545729318This is incorrect.
>>545728020People can't possibly believe this... the ones that do, clearly aren't people, mind you
>>545729546I don't think it affects intelligence either. You may be educated as a result of it, but it doesn't necessarily make people more intelligent.Consider the really shitty schools that have illiterate students graduate or still don't understand fractions.
>>545728994Who are you quoting? Thiel certainly doesn't believe that.
>>545728020>HITLER EUGENICS BAD!>TEST TUBE BABY EUGENICS GOOD!
>>545729318>Education doesnt make you more intelligentsounds like something an uneducated person would say
>>545729546>sounds like copei am a brahmin with 260 iq, education is a timmycel cope, my iq got this high because i make porn on silly tavern all day
>>545730193You've given me a chuckle this fine beautiful morning.Thank you.
>>545728020What exactly is the problem with this? We should be doing eugenics and had the good guys win WWII we would have started decades ago
satanic, black magic. sick shit.
>>545729546You know modern iq tests are curated with this in mind right? They’re matrices, assembling objects, and visual pattern recognition. This stuff is intuitive and not affected by education
>>545729318IQ is an easily trainable pattern recognition test and hence an extremely narrow probe of "intelligence" whatever that isyou'd think in the times of AI and advanced neuroscience we'd have more reliable psychometrics (even though that field is a bit of a meme to begin) readily accessible, with mass distributional studies of the various axes of intelligence and the ability to dynamically generate thousands of test questions at a whimbut alas
>>545730462If Sino-Japanese school kids wouldn'T spend 20 hours of the day at school, their numbers would look very different.
>>545730514AI does not exist, the egg checker isn’t determining anything, they are just duping people into paying them to take their eggs, which will be used for nefarious purposes.
>>545730569it's a skill that you can improve with practice, if you're not retarded
>>545729318You create new neural connections by learning novel concepts
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>>545728649>the only way things I’ll improve or get better is if people were somehow smarterNo, it's kill Billions generate more energy
>>545730193Ethnicity can be a social construct, but there are very demonstrable differences between races; appearance being obvious, but also various medical realities, like necessary matching racial ratios in bone marrow transplants, among others. I don't understand why we have to pretend this isn't true, because people believe if we didn't, then everyone would be meanie racists and Hitler would rise from the grave and whip niggers to death, or something (fact is, people are going to be meanies and racists, regardless, but we shouldn't build societies on such obvious lies about the realities of our surroundings; that is genuinely not going to lead to anything good in the long-term. You can acknowledge very real differences, and still encourage people not to be cunts to each other about them. We can acknowledge the reality that a dwarf isn't going to clear more than a single step in a standard staircase, but that doesn't mean we mistreat them for it, nor does it mean that we should).
>>545728020>IQ is 50% genetic buy our bullshit ivf+qt>50-80 iq retard gets born>Well duuuh that's half of the possible iqDevilish marketing
>>545730288This will be used to engineer the perfect docile compliant consoomer goy slave. So of course it's great.
>>545729318Two identical versions of you exist, parallel lives only differ from one having you learn math during school ages and the other never learning math. Your ability to solve math problems at the end of education is irrelevant, only judge your intellect at the end, your ability to process information, understand relations within that information, and predict outcomes accordingly. The version that learned math, growing from counting, to simple arithmetic, then to algebra, as a result of that education, will almost certainly be better at keeping track of multiple ideas in their brain at the same time without losing focus on the task, math related or not. They will be better at logical deduction. They will be smarter.
>>545728020>letting low IQ people select their children's traits Another fantastic idea from America's brightest Jews.
>>545731234They'll be able to select shit color and dick size probably. Not anything that would make them more competitive like critical thinking and pattern recognition. They'll probably deliberately retard those traits.
>>545728020lmao
>>545728982>Blank slate nonsenseNo it isn't. No amount of nutrition or education can make up for genetic variations between races. That's why the Mexican average IQ is 87.
>>545732027untrue, genetics only really affect knowledge acquisition speedeven the biggest idiot can become smart with enough time, effort and material conditions
>>545730193>race can still be a social constructit can bebut we can also view population clusters on a level of granularity corresponding to the traditional anthropological categories of old-school racial science, and empirically determine a person's race with >99% accuracy by testing only a few chromosomal loci... which doesn't sound very "socially-constructed" at all, does it?no, it sounds like race is simple genetic realityand between those clusters at the level of granularity of race, there are specific polygenes which are present, or not present, or present in differing amounts, and these are what govern the heritable "maximum-attainable IQ"so we could theoretically determine based on the occurrence and degree of occurrence of these polygenes, a "genetic racial average IQ"
>>545732392Nope.For example parental education is related to the IQ of biological children, but not adopted ones.That is because genetics are primarily responsible for IQ. Nurture is a cope that modern academics use to pretend that e.g Africans are just as smart as you or me but through Whitey's racism were deprived of a good education/upbringing.The biggest lie of our time.
The adoption study wsa conducted in Sweden.Korean adoptees scored similarly to non-adopted Swedes.Non-Korean adoptees scored substantially lower.Age at adoption: No meaningful effect for Koreans at any age. For non-Koreans, scores dropped only for those adopted after age 4; earlier adoptions showed little difference.Parental education (highest education of either adoptive/biological parent: 0–12, 13–15, or ≥16 years): Strong positive gradient in non-adopted (biological) children. Essentially flat among both adoptee groups (only a tiny verbal effect in non-Koreans).Non-adopted means rise from ~4.7 (low parental education) to ~6.4 (high); adoptee means stay roughly level within each origin group. The near-absence of a parental-education effect among adoptees (who share the adoptive home environment but not genes) vs. its clear presence among biological children is consistent with substantial genetic influence on IQ.
>>545732392>even the biggest idiot can become smart with enough time, effort and material conditionsyou seem to be implying intellect boils down to rote memorisation and the ability to regurgitatethat's extremely reductivein fact, I would argue that that's not really what constitutes intelligence at all, or we'd have to consider that any data-storage-and-retrieval system is "smarter" than any human, and that's just not sopersonally I'd say it's pattern recognition and the ability to link disparate information and form novel conclusions - i.e. the capacity for comprehension and novelty - moreso than it is the ability to eidetically memorise and spew out other people's contributions (because those people are the smart ones)
>>545728020No, everyone please recognize this is a lie. How many babies has this AI correctly identified as a genius, how many IQ tests were involved, and are those kids adults yet? No? They haven't done any of that?Please also recognize that this AI is a black box to you. Maybe there's a couple embryos with high IQs and it conveniently chooses the one most likely to develop cancer at age 18, because teehee this Jewish corporation hates you and your White children.
>>545730193So why do certain races always inherit a high IQ while non-Whites always inherit a low IQ? Because race is real and decided by genes?
>>545732880pattern recognition skills are born out of repetitionin essence, doing memorization and recall over and over until it stops being conscious recall and becomes second nature from forming enduring neural pathwaysthis is why you eventually lose skills you don't use, the neuron connections become weak with disuse and eventually disconnect
>>545729318Yes, it does. IQ is measured with tests, that concentrate on different skillsets. And those can be trained like any other skill. That is if you do a certain IQ test a couple of times, or train IQ tests, your results will improve. They correct for this by not counting your latest test for example if you have done it several times.
>>545732392If you had ever met a nigger from africa you would know this isn't true.
Recent twin study:As usual, the results show that genes have a much stronger impact on IQ than childhood environment.The IQs of twins raised in separate homes converged over time.This convergence was not related to how much contact the twins had with each other, nor to the age at adoption or separation.“Virtual twins” (same-age siblings raised together but not genetically related) saw their IQs diverge over time.All of these findings are consistent with the Wilson Effect: as time goes on, genetic factors become increasingly important in shaping a person’s traits, while the influence of environment diminishes.Decades of twin research demonstrate that parenting has limited impact on child outcomes.People's traits and life outcomes are shaped 50% by genetics, 40% by unique factors, and 10% by their childhood environment, including parenting.
>>545732800This is only a mystery to leftoids. To everyone else it's common sense.
>>545728982You'd like to think so, wouldn't you?
>>545728020So abortion of the rest is ok? What happened with the pro life attitude?
Another Swedish study.Musical ability is genetic.
>>545728982He's going to make everyone a gay faggot like himself.
>>545733612Minus the IQ
>>545732027my Mexican neighbors can't even figure out trash day. They kept telling me it was on Tuesday when it came up, with their trash overflowing.Yeah. That's why every fucking neighbor puts their bins out on Wednesday, because they are emptied Thursday morning.>No senior garbage day is TuesdayGarbage day is the day the garbage is picked up. You seem to be the only one with garbage problems. You literally don't need to know the day or even speak English to figure this out>Just put your bins out when ALL your neighbors doThere are six pickup trucks and not a single brain among them.Mexicans are, in general, fucking retarded.
ivf babies will probably have their own infertility issues as the sperm never had to fight..leading to a children ofmene situation.
>>545728020If Theil was smart he wouldn't be a faggot.Same for Altman and OP
I subbort genetics firms and countries doing everything they can. When the results are predictably mediocre, then maybe people will stop abusing biology (presuming they understand more than they do.) Anyway, this is a good bio-tech pump and dump scheme in general but I'm not going to jump in early given the political situation.People already spend absurd amounts on fertility and so on, and Asians more than anyone else, and Asians will continue to be ascendant in America and globally.
>>545732027>That's why the Mexican average IQ is 87.By definition an average IQ is 100.
>>545734204Isnt it funny.They couls be having kids for free but instead they choose to sterilize themselves with vaccines and goyslop then seek a remedy from expensive fertility companies.What a fucktard society we live in.
>>545728020So AI is gonna abort all the brown kids? Mecha Hitler is back?
>>545728020And then peter eats the embryos
>>545733572How was "music ability" measured?Obviously if one twin was taught to play the piano and the second wasn't, it's not like they could both just sit down and play a piece. One couldn't even read music in that scenario.
>>545729546Knowledge and intelligence are two different things.It is easier to gain and retain knowledge if you're intelligent but education cannot make you more intelligent.
>>545734934Not if you have separate distinct groups and then compare them.The average IQ is 100 but when you separate it by gender, for instance, men end up at 110 and women at 90.
>>545729546Knowledge and intelligence are two different things.It is easier to gain and retain knowledge if you're intelligent but education cannot make you more intelligent. That being said IQ tests are a flawed method for testing intelligence as you can be trained on the questions.
>>545730657which would mean that hard work pays off. pattern recognition can be trained with toys from early age on. good books should follow. less phone. we know that back in the day niggers could be trained to pluck cotton. imagine that.
>>545733215and why you think the degree of functional brain connectivity is entirely tabula rasa, and not a product of genetic variation?because in your model, with enough time and effort and money, a dog could become as intelligent as any manthe substrate does matterit just suggests to me you have an ulterior motive in denying the heritability of intellect and denying realitysans futuristic gene therapies which beg the Ship of Theseus and work to prove my point, even the biggest idiot CANNOT become smart with enough time, effort and material condition - different races simply have different occurrences of genes and polygenes related to cranial volume, neuronal density, and synaptic connectivitygenetics enforce an upper limit on intellect whether you like it or not, and genetic clustering at population levels ARE race
>>545734934Britain is the zero point which other countries are measured against. The British mean is set at 100. The Mexican mean (average) is 87 relative to Britain.
>>545728020>IQ is 50% geneticAre people really still doing the nurture cope?
>>545736001If I could beat 87 that might have been apparent.
>>545736016It's 100% genetic. They get 50% figure from retarded starved children and say "see? They have 70 IQ, cause we starved em so it's not entirely genetic"
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We Abh now?
>>545728020>they need aiI can do this by looking at the skin color of the parents
>>545729546No, he's right. You can't teach someone to be smart. Conflating education with intelligence is a reddit-brained retardism that needs to die because it has real and negative consequences on society
>>545736178>we been singin songs..
>>545735802probably the ability to recognize and reproduce rhythms and pitches, ear training stuff
>>545736201i need an imperial space elf gfalso to finish reading this
>>545733396Best post of the thread and of course it gets ignored. Unbelievable that there are people here who outright deny heritability of intelligence despite it being staggeringly obvious both from research and lived experience. The only way you could POSSIBLY deny it is being utterly mindbroken by liberal egalitarian propaganda.
>>545728020holy shit this is literally a radio skit in the older GTA games, 3 or Liberty City Stories i forget>trouble getting him up? he’s thinking of leaving? surprise him this Christmas, get on that newfangled internet and head to www.babiesovernight.com and get a bundle of joy on your doorstep, overnight
>>545729468>>545729898
>>545728982Of course that's what you have to trick yourself into believing. You know deep down you're at least half stupid. Your european side helps but you're being held back.
>>545729318No it does, especially with the way IQ is even measured which are largely logic tests.Logical thinking isn't something you just "have". It needs to be nurtured and trained.Intelligence is just like the musculature in your body. Yes genetics are a factor, but ultimately useless if you don't ever work them out (and also work them out correctly).I.e. mathematical logic can be extremely unintuitive, so do statistics. You need to develop a feeling for that. Just the concept of infinity alone is unintuitive.Intelligence is ultimately not only your ability to store new information, but to also access it and most importantly to synthesize seemingly two unrelated pieces of information into a new one. For all of those there are techniques you can learn to make these abilities more effective.
>>545729361It is pretty much pseudoscience. I get it conceptually, but the way it is being measured follows absolutely no scientifically accepted standards and the guy that created it had zero knowledge or skills in teaching (or just how to create a proper exam anyhow).It also ignores things like emotional state or even skills outside of classical mathematical logic such as social skills. Even dexterity is to some degree dictated by intelligence, as hand-eye-coordination is very computationally intense on the brain.But nope, IQ tests are typically JUST maths exams. No part of your brain activity is ever NOT part of your intelligence. If your mind is somehow suffering from some underlying bodily condition it won't just be your speed of thinking going to shit... your vision will be worse, your reflexes will be worse, your dexterity will be worse, your speech will be worse, etc.In general most countries do not accept IQ tests in i.e. job applications for that reason. Yes some jobs can have quizzes as part of the hiring process, but there it's just applied as a simple broad filter rather than "this is the one smartest guy".
>submit material for 20 embryos>embryos are scored across various metrics>some combinations of metrics, though beneficial, are perceived to correlate with antisemitism>those embryos are labeled non-viableImagine trusting a company to make these sorts of judgments.
>>545737465I know what you mean and tend to agree, to a point. Have however many people start at 2 and keep doubling until they can no longer keep track of it in their head (2,4,8,16,32……). The more you practice math the longer you can likely go, but there are also a lot of people that could practice math for years and never get past 5 or 6 digits. You can also have people doing that pattern into the trillions in their head that could not for the life of them ever have an original thought, or ever self discover any aspect of math, only being able to comprehend theories or rules once they are explained to them.
>>545728982ooga booga gib me dat nutrition, me educamated
