How the fuck do people think doctors would be willing to go through the shit they do to make a poverty wage that universal healthcare requires? These are the smartest people in stem besides quant bros and you expect that they would be willing to practice what is essentially necromancy of keeping fat obese boomers and minorities alive despite the fats terrible choices for a government salary? You'll get a nurse practitioner that cheated on all her online classes or a 3rd worlder with a fake MD degree just like the NIH does now because no one will learn all the shit medicine requires to be paid like a school teacher.Doctors are basically wizards with powers over life and death and its insane to think you are entitled to their help without an immense debt.
>>545728673Doctor wages stay the sameInsurance company wages disappear
>>545728812Not what happened in the NIH or Canada, the managers wages bloated up and they are culling grandmas because its cheaper to import Indians than give white people any medicine at all
>>545728673lmao. a junk chatbot from 4 years ago does better doctoring.
>>545729049I'm sorry they said to take your schizo pills instead of sunning your butthole for d3 or something
>>545728673There is an artificial limit placed on how many people are allowed to become doctors each year. Not based on merit or test scores, simply there to keep their numbera down to justify their overinflated salaries.The Healthcare industry is already rigged against the consumer. There needs to be universal healthcare and a removal of the doctor limit.Id rather have someone responsible for my health who cares about the medical profession and helping people than doing a half ass quicky job while charging me into poverty.Let as many people become doctors as qualify for it and the cost will go down.
>>545728893Maybe we should just not do what they did then I guess? I'd be fine with taxes being raised if it meant they spent more so that there was an excess of doctors and hospital space. We should make it so that the doctors wait for us instead. Doctors should work normal hours and not have any debt. We could give all these people free college for working in the US.Healthcare is my biggest expense and I always worry about the insurance company fucking me over. I just want things to be simple so I just walk in there and not have to worry about financially ruining myself because of some obscure rule they thought of specifically to fuck people over.
>>545729521The insurance has just been given more power to rape you post Obama care. The democrats legally banned doctors from owning hospitals so private equity has been snapping everything up and raising prices
>>545728812You retards are so fucking stupid and have no real world experience seeing how these things actually work. We did this in our state and all the doctors left. To keep paying for the system our taxes on the middle and lower class went up. No insurers also means the 1 or 2 left raised their prices 5x. The rest left because they couldnt be profitable and were losing money staying here. Current wait times for a primary care dr are over 1 yearAll the doctors that are willing to work for lower wages and 14 hour days are foreigners who never went to american med school. Its completely fucked and iur healthcare outcomes are in the toilet.
>>545729521>raise taxesWe are on track to do that again and guess how many doctors are going to leave again when they lose 100k/yr to state income taxes.
>>545728673>These are the smartest people in stemKek, you're a fucking idiot
>How the fuck do people think doctors would be willing to go through the shit they do to make a poverty wage that universal healthcare requires?this shithole country is the best in thatBy +gaslighting them through decades of propaganda that it is their duty to serve the people in return for the respect they get and if they want more wage they are heartless materialistic bastards that should be ostricized+make up new regulations and certification that lengthen their training period by years or even decades. However, leave some shortcuts that only the already-experts can utilize to get their family certificated faster so then you only have to keep a close relationship with these small number of experts. +very slowly building new hospitals so new doctors have to fight each other for a working spot instead of banding together and protest for higher wage+On the other hand, allow hundreds of medical school to be open, even with subpar education and produce subpar doctors. Again, the experts can easily find a job for their kids while the mass fight each other for whatever spots left
> Doctors are basically wizards with powers over life and deathI haven't had a single doctor in 25 years ask me about my sleep or nutrition. They just hold a glorified permission slip to pharmaceuticals.
>>545729815>>545728673The amount of outright lies this anon is spouting leads me to believe its either a bot or a troll. Nobody shills this hard for doctors of all people.Also didnt address the point that doctors place an arbitrary limit on how many people are allowed to become doctors each year in the USA creating artificial scarcity that drives up all other costs.Care to comment on that or is that topic outside the bounds of your script?
>>545729871You're literally pulling shit from your fat brown ass. Pathetic
>>545729871Maybe you should stop importing the third world into your country then
>>545729947Good I want the quality of life to diminish so that browns stop coming here
>>545730035If you expect any level of professional ethics you are going to have gate keeping as the community enforces standards. The cap you are talking about isn't even a hard cap as its just funding for residency slots, there have been privately funded residency slots opened and new schools built. As it is America isn't filling all its slots anyway and importing third world garbage right now. You are railing over a bottleneck that only partially exist.The ADA has also been pushing congress for about two decades to expand the residency funding.
Where does this myth come from that universal healthcare means doctors don't make shit anymore? I'm looking at the official numbers in the Netherlands and the lowest salary is about 130k a year with some specialties going well over 200k. So not only do we pay them a decent salary, we also provide basic healthcare to every citizen for a lower cost than your healthcare system that doesn't provide basic healthcare.
Most doctors are complete retards that are inferior to even chatgpt. Only a very few actually highly paid people are needed for critical surgeries
>>545730349Why would anyone do 7 years of schooling for poverty wages of 100k?
>>545730356Shut up reyltard you cant even do simple math in your head
>>545728673Veneration of scientists and physicians is a relatively recent historical phenomenon. In earlier societies these were men interested in understanding occulted subjects, not wannabe richfags.It's not like Rockefeller medicine is doing a good job either, unless there's a war.
>>545728673>the smartest people in stem
>>545729378Doctors, lawyers, and realtors are some of the most blatantly captured industries, our government is extremely retarded for putting up with this BS. The doctor limit is just one, not being able to simply take the bar exam, and not being able to become an appraiser without begging a boomer for an apprenticeship
>>545730191The people who screech about health care the loudest are the same ones who want to open our borders and invite the entire retarded brown third world to live with us.
>>545728673>These are the smartest people in stem besides quant bros"Medical errors and malpractice account for more than 250,000 deaths per year in the United States, placing it as the third-leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer"Doctor kikes are so delusional, it's insane.
>>545728673cause its paid by billionares faggot, stfu and pay your taxes shlomoand stop raping children you pedo
>>545729049This goes hard if you are retarded.
>>545731190yes those are the indian doctors
>>545728673>These are the smartest people in stem besides quant brosThey're not. They take the easiest STEM classes in undergrad. The same people that got accepted to med school struggled with first year calculus, stastistics and physics.The easiest statistics theorem or ε-δ proof one shots the average doctor.If you're ever in a situation where you need a doctor for a serious health problem, you're already fucked.
Most universities have easy versions of STEM classes for pre-med students (calculus/physics/statistics for biology students). These are not the best and the brightest. They're ambitious conformists hopped up on Ritalin while watching reruns of Scrubs. They take the easy STEM classes, do a few volunteer positions, then they go off to medical school.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVJMBiGSk_A
>>545728673the money for universal healthcare isnt stolen from me, im shut out of the economy. i will never get healthcare either way. the doctors are all nigger faggots. i dont care
>>545732844>>545733266You are full of shit. Mcats require a full biochem sequence and you have to have calculus to reach 400 level chemistry to take biochem
>>545728673boomers and xirs sold the country and millennials and zoomers dont care
I've met many doctors and medical students and good chunk of them are the worst, shittiest people in existence.
>>545728673>they would be willing to practice what is essentially necromancy of keeping fat obese boomers and minorities alive despite the fats terrible choices for a government salary?How about they don't treat fat obese boomers and minorities?
>>545730592george jetson was replaced with an indian and henry orbit was replaced with a mexican
>>545728673>Smartest people in stem>Memorising insane amounts of information makes you le smart >K
>>545728673We pay taxes and currently receive zero benefit for it. Israel does though and they have free healthcare. Just take that money and give it to whites in America for healthcare. That's all we are demanding. You want our vote gop? Represent the white race and look out for our interests. That's all it takes.
>>545728673Just reduce training requirements and break up the licensing cartel. Supply will meet demand, prices will go down.
>>545734042ahahahahahaha no. (1) make testing more strict for white men(2) import indians and accept their degrees instead
>>545733488>had to take some prereqs to take another class.>had to write an entrance examI'm not full of shit and no one cares retard. medicine has the highest proportion of midwit retards in all STEM fields.Most universities created easy versions of those classes (physics/calc/statistics) for pre-meds. They fail the regular STEM classes the other STEM majors are taking.
>>545733874Insurance is an insidious social welfare tax. It allows them to charge different people different amounts for the same care. Making health insurance illegal would kick half of mexico out of the us as they abuse the system to pay for their day labor injuries and constant childbirth. The average white goes to the doctor twice in their lifetimes. The average black and hispanic go to the er for a headache.
>>545730231If our standard of living drops by 99.9% its still infinitely higher than the shitholes theyre coming from.
>>545730089>foreign flag here, let me tell you about how your state works
>>545734811right. universal health isnt just what doctors deserve, its also going to embarrass the government
>>545728673Lol just like the medical industry to base things on averages. Real humanistic business you got there. Yeah insurence should totally pay my gp 5k for talking to me for 15 minutes then perscribing me antidepressants. when i havent seen a doctor in 15 years and i need all the tests.Yeah real good work and patient empathy telling me to shut up and just pop some happy pills
>>545728673Doctor here, the amount of middlemen in American Healthcare is fucking insane and getting worse. I spent at least half of my day doing pointless bullshit to satisfy insurance companies who try to deny coverage at every opportunity, and now I spend half of my day jumping through bullshit hoops to satisfy admin, none of which helps my patients. The best solution is removing red tape, which isn't possibly without annihilating the insurance industry as it exists but we'd rather import a bunch of pajeets to do the work we used to be able to do ourselves instead. The primary problems are the following: Some healthcare providers are genuinely willing to exploit patients lack of expertise for their own benefit, and can profit immensely from being unscrupulous (which ideally should be criminal, and also handled through reputation and reporting, but this will never happen due to jackasses bending over backwards to defend each other even in cases of gross negligence or blatant exploitation, we are far too gone as a society to rely on self-policing)Insurance developed as a response to this, and has since developed into an industry that tries to eat as much profit as they feasibly can while providing no direct benefit to anyone instead of a fair fee-for-service model.Pharmaceutical companies' profit incentives are completely fucked between research costs, advertising returns, and potential harms/benefits to consumers being massive. This raises the material costs to just about everything that is protected by copyright astronomically, and probably is best solved by some degree of regulation and reworking of subsidies.The overall amount of bureaucracy in healthcare and governmental corruption naturally accumulates in soulless conglomerations like HCA or Kaiser cornering wide swathes of the market, treating everyone like shit except for their c-suite, and spreading to approach effective monopolies. The only real solution to this is some form of interventionism.
>>545735505>Some healthcare providers are genuinely willing to exploit patients lack of expertise for their own benefit, and can profit immensely from being unscrupulousthis has always been and will always be. making it a crime will only make it a crime not to take the vaxx. some people want to die and cant be helped
Doctors are useless scum psychopaths who refuse to do any work. I have gotten better assistance from schizos online
>>545736330Well, yes, but you don't need to waste someone's time or your own money to eat yourself to death on takis and goyslop.
