This seems fairly self evident to me, but I want to put the suggestion to you all because this is the only place where you'll get non gay and retarded discussion (mostly).My pet theory is that, on top of the obvious culprits (seed oils, microplastics, glyphosate, xenoesterogens in the water, etc), I think that young men have basically gone off women altogether. Particularly this past year, following the last 20+, has been a truly revolting year for womens' collective reputation. Gonna discount sedentary lifestyles and boomerisms because the unemployed have higher T than farmers - active jobs but exposed to glyphosate 24/7.Not only were young men already battling cultural "psychosociological" abuse at an institutional scale, learned helplessness from an insurmountable lack of options in life, and a degree of internalised self hatred, all of which are known libido killers, but they were still horny enough to crank out to porn 8 and a half times per day every day. Now it seems like the threshold has finally been breached and there are routinely anecdotal reports that even porn "just isn't hitting any more".I am really starting to think that the very nature of women's unbridled, solipsistic narcissism has reached such an egregious and brazen degree that young men have basically epigenetically had their arousal switched off en masse.Idk, discuss or whatever.>Inb4 spiteful incelMy girlfriend is lovely, I'm a very lucky boy. I don't hate women, I just wish they would stop talking themselves into an even deeper hole for 5 minutes. My concern is ever disintegrating gender relations and men's health.>Inb4 medsNuh uh
>>545768571Hell yeah, nice tits. IDK what the fuck you just said though.
>>545768742Based
>>545768571It's not >muh womenIt's that mating rituals are essentially a religion, and we're starting to lose our belief in them. The way it works is that you're supposed to put your rational mind at the door when you enter the temple. This is somewhat equivalent to not being allowed to see the holy of holies. The sacred is kept under the veil. The fact is that the mating rituals don't work anymore, and no one is control of making them work. Yes, women who still try (still want to date and even marry) are generally committed to believing in this system. This is probably more true for women than men given that women tend to be more submissive to institutions. However, we have terms for men who do the exact same thing: blue pill, cuck, simp, etc. So, it's very common for men.It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't.If you just focus on women in all of this, you're a fucking retard though.
>>545768571Sorry, what?
>>545768571>>545768809Here. This is what actually happened. Men and women can't meet each other. It's decline in social capital (Robert Putnam) which also affects the mating rituals.
I have high T.
>>545768851>English, docWomen's behaviour has become so disgusting that it has been the primary contributor to men's diminishing testosterone levels and general interest in sex and relationships
>>545768894To be clear, it's not as simple as just lining people up and forcing them to meet. You don't replace "meeting through family" with random dating events. Meeting through family served several purposes that the modern world struggles to match.It's also true that people are just simply much more busy than they used to be. Men and women. Women have a higher delta, but since the majority of men took on white collar jobs, their stress levels and willingness to go out changed too. This business comes in seasons, which at minimum delays marriage, but when you delay marriage within a fixed fertility window, you just have less kids or none at all.
>>545768809I don't agree, who ever needed a ritual to want to fuck someone? Religions were only ever intended to DIRECT a sexual tension that was already there. The tension/desire is gone and they don't know what to do about it because all the rituals were about slowing their roll rather than encouraging it.You could have an incidental point about a lack of delayed gratification though
>>545768903Nice
>they're jerking off 8 times a day>not persuing womenMaybe that's the problem
>>545769038Fucking doesn't translate into good relationships or marriage, Einstein
>>545768571Yeah good post, good theory. Anecdotally it checks out as the minute I hit 40 I sensed I had fundamentally changed and stopped jerking my dick or pursuing my wife's holes. Physically nothing had changed but some mental threshold was crossed and I became a totally different person overnight. It's actually devastating because at 39 I was at my peak, the night of my 40th birthday I was lower than I'd felt in 20 years because that was the moment I realized I was an adult and on my way to deaths door
>>545768809I also agree with your sub point about women wanting to sustain the rituals like marriage, but I think that is an entirely selfish motivation rather than a civic one. They don't care about what's going wrong with men's physical and mental health, they just care that it affects their life satisfaction and ego
>>545769187You sound hurt. Not a good start when you're trying to understand the world.>>545769132And men are figuring this out. Men can still have sex drives without wanting to pursue them, once they realize the perpetual cycle. That's what mature people do.
>>545769132It is supposed to, in the traditional sense. Marriage was "you can have access to sex with this woman but you have to be a devoted and good husband" and "you can have material provision and social elevation from this man, but you have to put out". It's literally in the wedding vows, more or less.
>>545768571Desire for sex is just an inbuilt mechanism which pushes a person to have sex and thus reproduce. The interesting point is that it is already a proven concept in china to have full-term artificial gestation. Russel Brand just got convicted of rape from the consensual sex he had 16 years ago. Men are getting divorce raped and their lives ruined en masse every day. Why should any young man risk any of that when in 10 years artificial gestation will be rolling out and they can have sons without the involvement of any woman except egg harvesting, which in and of itself won't be necessary before long because it's now also a proven concept of creating egg cells from sperm cells.Where does all of this lead? Two parallel societies, the sexual society and the asexual society. Without a direct incentive to do so, the asexual society will stop contributing to the sexual one in the form of help and taxes, because they have no reason to do so. The two societies will become naturally antagonistic towards each other because the sexual society, like ours, will be fundamentally gynocentric, and women always have to make everything about themselves. The problem being, of course, that the asexual society will inevitably overcome and defeat the sexual society in direct or indirect conflict and will outcompete it at every turn. Men produce more, do all the necessary hard physical work, and want more children on average. Over time it will outproduce, outbreed, and if necessary outfight the sexual one.So, all that said; what need will there be for women in 15 years?
All women are dumb whores.No exceptions.Thank you for your attention.
Love Oktoberfest boobies stick it in my veins
>>545769317Thank you hitler
>>545769237Dafuq? I made a respectful counterpoint with zero ad hom lmfao, what are you on about? Are you a woman? >>545769160Very interesting. And your test was relatively ok? I genuinely think there is just this sense of, like you describe, impending mortality and fatalism amongst yet younger and younger men that is basically killing, not only their sex drive, but also their sense material desire altogether. Can't blame them, for what?
>>545769311I sympathise with you in principle but it's not gonna happen. There'll be bachelor taxes well before that happens. Besides, I honestly believe children need both a mother and father, both for their own sake and for the maturity of the parents. Giving shutin neckbeards access to artificial wombs is an absolutely terrible idea.
>>545768571>young men have basically epigenetically had their arousal switched off en masseYou know, a few years back, some guy was talking about declining birth rates and made a good point about lady parts. He pointed out that vaginas out of the context of sex are pretty repulsive. It looks like an are wound with tumors growing out the side of it. It's all slimey. It bleeds once a month, plus it smells. It's really our hormones that make them attractive, but those hormones are being disrupted by all the chemicals that we're exposed to. I remember someone on here saying that he thinks twats smell worse than they did ten years ago. Do they or are you just noticing it more?
Low T is mostly caused by a fucked up gut biome.That's why jeets have zero T, they literally eat shit and rotting trash.Lose weight, exercise, eat cleaner.If you're fat avoid food with lots of lipids like beef and eggs.If you're lean eat food with lipids like beef and eggs.Don't drink alcohol, it's feminizing and will fuck up your brain and give you a faggot brain. Not even joking btw.avoid women and children, these things mess with your wiring to drop your T levels. You can raise your T by raising your status like winning a social confrontation with a man or woman, however the T loss from losing the confrontation isn't worth it.Don't be afraid of them, just treat them liek subhuman trash not worth your time and do something better with your time, like study AI. Fuck learning a language, it's not a useful skill and reddit tier. Learning Machine Learning principles or linux is way more important than being able to talk to spics.Stop jerking off too, it's an addiction. You're no difference than someone addicted to weed. You're semi/barely functional because all you do is jerk off. It's wasting your fucking time. I don't give a shit about any health benefits of nofap, there are probably almost no real health benefits besides not having a selenium deficiency, but the amount of time it wastes is ridiculous.Don't smoke anything ever, the worst thing is that it negates the positive benefits of eggs/dietary cholesterol lipids. Yes if you smoke your blood oxidized the cholesterol and turns it into inflammatory poison.I used to smoke, be fat, and jerk off all the time. Somehow I thought this was ok and no one around be questioned me. But I was actually a fucking subhuman because of this.Never take breaks, just do something else. There is no such thing as rest if your eyes aren't closed. You're just wasting attention on attention wasting trash. Uninstall your garbage social media trash. It's not giving you anything, it's wasting your time and poisoning your mind.
I agree. thats why I dont take trt because it would just be a waste of money
>>545769819>Giving shutin neckbeards access to artificial wombs is an absolutely terrible idea.1: 62% of young men are single, with over half registering no sex in the last year. Half to two-thirds of the male population aren't "shutin neckbeards", that's a feminist talking point.>There'll be bachelor taxes well before that happens.Can't tax 0, can't tax someone who moves to another country. There are always options. Once the age of diversity and immigration crashes down, the fertility rate is currently 1.2-1.4 for ethnic-European populations, which is about half of what is required to maintain society. Either civilization takes away all of women's rights and enslaves them, or it makes artificial surrogacy available. Like I have said, our society is fundamentally a gynocentric society, and it's primary function is to absolve women of any and all responsibility or accountability. When faced with taking away women's privileges or subsidizing artificial surrogacy, the government will take the latter choice.>Besides, I honestly believe children need both a mother and fatherGo and look at the childhood to adult pipeline of single mothers and single fathers. Children in single-father households have the same life outlook at dual-parent households. Single-mother households are far below. You have made this assertion, but I disagree with it on a mechanical level. I agree in principle that having a good mother and father benefits the child, but it is ultimately a secondary concern.
>>545768571lower your standards
>>545768571Women would be fixed if they were all injected with testosterone. Most of the problems in society come down to women being weak effeminate bitches.
Hot.
>>545769617You´re welcome.
>>545768571its cuz everyones fatter nowfat makes you look youngerthats why our generation looks so much younger than past cuz everyones got more fatever look at fat people who lose weight and their face looks all old and stuff
>>545768571Yeah psychological effects are often overlooked in favor of physically induced health problems these days for some reason. Covid lockdowns for example definitely had an effect on the youth but people even on the right always brush that aside.
HINDU BVLLS will fix the birth rate
>>545768571https://www.instagram.com/itsluxydutch/HHHHHNNNNNNGG
>>545770271Isn't it better to take progesterone or something Idk I think there are Ray Peat articles about this
>>545768571cus niggers eat slop and dont exercise or even fucking walk/run, in what would does your body need to produce T in that environment in any amount of levels that would allow free T for muscle building, nice reddit spacing faggot
>>545770615saar I took the lust provoking image and ran it through AI to make something obviously fake looking that only indians without an uncanny valley instinct can get off to
Making marriage rape an actual crime removed the only leveraging power men had in marriage. Now a man is entirely submissive to the woman and has no power to fall back on.
>>545768929>disgustingWomen's behavior is certainly disgusting, but that's always been the case. I think something else is going on. Consider that when new parents bring their baby home, dad's testosterone drops by 25 to 40% in the first month, and takes a year to get back to baseline. This strongly suggests that testosterone production is heavily influenced by external stimulii. If you want to increase it, just have good relationships with attractive, fertile women. The problem with this approach is that most women are either morbidly obese or on birth control, which blocks the fertility signals that a man would subconciously pick up and produce more testosterone. If this is the case, it's an unfixable problem. You cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube.
>>545771073that isn't redditspacing, retard. there would be blank lines between the greentexts
>>545771073
>>545769819Cant believe I'm seeing this picture again
>>545769907Fucking based ass post.Its simple. Yet challenging for many.
It's none of those things. It's actually far more insidious. They're transmitting thoughts/suggestions straight into people's brains. They have been using voice to skull technology on the public for decades now. I know this for a fact because I'll be minding my own business inside my house which does not have wifi and all of a sudden I'll get loud ass ringing in one ear. Other times it sounds like someone hitting the mute button on just one location like changing the acoustics or whatever. It's not fucking tinnitus or whatever either because it ONLY happens around my house. I can leave for days on end and have absolutely no fucking issue but as soon as I return it starts again
>>545769311>and if necessary outfight the sexual one.they will attack guaranteed. Women cannot physically tolerate a man being happy and content without them. we'll need to arm our sexbots with anti-bitch weaponry for the eventuality.
>>545768571If only you knew how bad things really are, anon (pic mostly unrelated, though is representative of standard of modern soience and why this won't be formally studied in humans any time soon)Humans like to think our physiology and psychology is separate, and it's a socially convenient lie i suppose, but it's bullshit.Every social animal has a concept of "dominance" and hierarchy, and that measurably changes neurotransmitters and long-term brain structure. And in many species, it also, measurably, alters physical development. Wolves and Chimps are the ones I recall off the top of my head, the TLDR is pretty much- social animals engage in hierarchy-reinforcing behaviors, like wolves licking teeth or eating order/quantity in primates (breaking/refusing those behaviors will literally get them killed or exiled, btw)- beyond immediate neurotransmitters (norepinephrine, serotonin, dopamine, etc.), there are downstream hormones and peptides that can be triggered by complex behaviors or experiences. For example: oxytocin/vasopression, glucocortacoids, FSH/LH (sex hormone modulators), and peptite hormones/GPCR ligands in general- these hormones alter physical traits like size, age of reproductive maturity, the obvious stuff, but also fast twitch/slow twitch muscle ratio, skeletal growth periods, eating habits+metabolism, and even stuff like hair/tooth/claw growth in wolves.- these changes cause a feedback loop (dominent -> more food + up regulation of growth = retained dominance)the fucked up part is where it cycles back to behavior (this is in primates, btw):- low-hierarchy females enter reproductive maturity later, but males show the exact opposite-- and even have underdeveloped secondary sex characteristics. Their behaviors are similar.- dominant individuals are more likely to initiate hierarchy-reinforcing behaviors, and do so SPECIFICALLY on potential competitors exhibiting high degrees of secondary sex characteristics(will continue...)
>>545768571Before women got access to the Internet>Guy hits on girl>Girls says "no">Guy moves on, & the whole conversation endsAfter women got access to the Internet>Guy hits on girl>Girls says "no">She talks about him to her social media friends>Whole school or workplace finds out>He get MeToo'd by other foids deeming him a "creep" or even blamed for "rape" even if he didn't do anything wrong>His reputation is ruined before he even knows itMeToo killed approaching
>>545771411I unironically believe this. Not fully formed thoughts, but sensations and inklings.
>>545771411Sometimes it works backwards by accident. Or they're giving my brain data to companies. Sometimes I have a thought, I don't speak it aloud, I tell nobody these things, and then suddenly my YouTube is flooded with videos about what I've been thinking about and it is completely random, no relation to anything in my search history.
>>545768894Funny how those graphs started to drop the moment women got access to social media
>>545768571The average women don't look hot like that, not as easy to get hard for ugly foids
>>545769027Only shitskins have time to breed whites are busy waging
>>545770219No u
>>545771472I'm Gen Z too, at 27, and I asked this girl out when I was like 20 on facebook but I had seen her in the club the night before and I asked her out on facebook because I was sat at home wishing I had approached her, we went on dates had a year long relationship and I should have approached her there and then at the club but nobody ever taught me anything like that and I had no dad growing up.
>>545771159Women have always been mostly ugly, porn, makeup, surgery and jews convinced you they were hot
>>545770219Lauren philips is a poor man's bishojomom
>>545771660Apart from the modern day of being obese, this is true. In all genders, males are the most attractive species. If all women were forced to walk around with no makeup for the next year, their egos would be destroyed and society fixed. But we'd also need to kill all simps who will continue to big them up despite never getting any pussy.
I watch Genocyber to boost T
>>545769283Kinda. "Traditionally" is pulling a ton of weight in that statement. "Traditionally" you had all of the other things that actually did the work of making a long term relationship possible. Sex just greases the grooves when that is already in place.
its stress.
>>545771532They dropped in the 1970s across Europe and in the US in the 1980s. They dropped across the rest of the world sometime between now and then, but most places were below replacement before social media. The numbers you're looking at are propped up by teenage black pregnancy and things of that nature. Not sustainable nor frankly desirable. The rot was well in place before US numbers went below replacement for good.
>>545771600I married my wife I met on the Internet after a year lolWomen are weird approaching them on fb is easier and seems to make them more comfortable
>>545771472Girls gossipped before the internet and I don't think you will get metooed if you only approach a girl. There is a culture where starting any IRL conversation is considered cringe, though, especially giving compliments to a girl or asking her out. Idk what the cause of that is but there is some kind of hyper self awareness that does probably have to do with social media. Maybe it's from internet permanence and everything being tied to your identity, and the fact that everyone has a recording device in their pocket.
>>545771770>In all genders, males are the most attractive species.holy esl
>>545768571>women's behaviorIs regularly excused and celebrated even by the most desexed of men so I don't think you are correct.But the general line of inquiry might yield fruit. Psychologically, what happens to someone who's not good at anything ever? I assume they define themselves by this. We have a tremendous amount of men who are simply useless. Now, various copes exist 'We Wuz' from every single race for example. But does this change the individual's proficiency? No. Do they ever learn anything? No. Do they ever attain physical mastery? No, even for the ones who 'lift' they generally remain physically retarded and most men have never even been in a minor physical altercation. Which also removes the understanding, the feeling, of violence...of taking, which is definitely a source of T gain, as is winning matches (proven in studies and so on) in competition.I think it's just general worthlessness of men. Improving women would do little, unless the women were improved to such a degree that they could manage these broken men to some level of repair that then allowed self-repair over another 100-500 years.This is so unlikely that I simply bet on 'something else' which is a new population defining itself and leaving all the rest behind.
>>545771417(continued)- thus, this leads to an evolutionary selected strategy-- those in a low-status position are more likely to be harmed or targeted if they are perceived as a threat (hierarchy or reproductive). to avoid challenges, their body lessens their own development of secondary sex traits.- of course, this changes behavioral traits too: less overt aggression, more prosocial behavior, higher deference, decreased risk tolerance, etc.- weird thing is that many of these physical and hormonal changes are seen when comparing wolves and dogs, and can _partially_ be induced in the lab (via hormone/peptide administration), showing it's more than just genetics (picrel graphical abstract)Highly recommend reading about dominance/social hierarchy behaviors in Wolves, primates, and Bees. Fascinating how similar Human behaviors are sometimes, really shows how much our biology controls us despite how far we've come.Also, look at the effects of recent oxytocin/vasopressin modulators. Line up autists, those nice men in white coats are about to cure you!>autistic tangent:Bees/social insects are especially interesting. Despite being so genetically distant, many of their hormones systems are directly homologous to those in social mammals. For example, there are actually worker bees that develop functioning ovaries (admittedly rare). When the hive still has a healthy queen, however, any other bee expressing secondary sex characteristics elicits a more aggressive response than even hostile invaders. Likewise, the signals released by a live queen suppress secondary sex characteristics even in those who would exhibit them if isolated from the hive.Even social metazoa (single-celled organisms) exhibit these dynamics, all the way up to primates.Why would humans be any different?
>>545768571Call yourself a "boy" and your testosterone instantly tanks 20%. Let her call you "hubby," your nuts go dormant and you begin to search for other men you want to watch fucking her like you're a squirrel looking for nuts. You have been warned.
>>545769873>words words wordsSexual dysmorphic halo effects and their failure when foids become too disgusting
>>545768571>rent and housing almost unaffordable so don't have a bach pad to smash poon>only way to afford a place of your own is to work more than full time hours, leading to tired>spaces and event for socialising amongst younger generations going away, fewer places to cut loose from work and lower the cortisol>basically unlimited free porn>constant online messaging from bots that women don't want to be harassed or even asked out in spaces where you could traditionally meet one outside of bars/pubs/clubs>metoo movement has boys scared they'd be accused of raep and have their lives ruined (bots)>doomerism leads to men not even trying to succeed, see: levels of men in higher education these days>microplastics in everything, including your balls>nutrient depletion in the soil leading to worse health outcomes>encouraged online (again by bots) to "lock in" and grind and not meet women until you're established with a career and house>pornslop everywhereYounger generations are fuckkkkked
>>545768571I want to motorboat these boobs with the upper half of my face while eating that pretzel.
>>545768571Somewhat true. Im in Bangkok and even though there are a number of brothels and sex service shops (literally over 100) all within 5 minute walking distance from me full of young women in their 20's, I find myself struggling to even be motivated. I just kind of want to workout, eat, swim in the pool, shitpost and watch Youtube all day.
>>545768571I can say one reason why zoomers have it better than we did that is OP photo you never can unite three women that amazing into one place before social media, also I admit women are just better looking now. That said, I realize the problem is actually getting to fuck them I am just saying.
>>545772050>I watch Genocyber to boost THoly mother of based. Im more of an Urotsukidoji guy myself personally though.
it's not low Twomen and society just traumatize and harm men for shooting their shot. do you have any idea how much abuse it takes to make a mammal to not want to breed anymore?of course they'll come to the conclusion the juice is not worth the squeeze. the simps are still behind the curve. hoeflation is a bubble that needs to burst
Divide and Conquer.>hype up niggers and various non-whites ("tall dark and handsome" can be interpreted as a black dude)>hype up women with feminism>irresponsible levels of internet access to male kids, mostly of white and asian background, so they goon out early or get addicted to gaming>women are encouraged to go to college, get jobs/careers, and live that luxurious jetsetter lifestyle. can even do it with just social media or OF now, no college needed>increasingly high standards expected of men. if you're lucky some chick just likes you by the way you look, act, and matching up to her "type" in that moment, or a shared situation pulls you together (we met in school/jury duty/work and hit it off immediately)>if you do meet someone you like at work, there's layers of HR bs that makes it somewhat risky to flirt at work. meeting at work used to be the most common way to meet your gf and future wife.
