Why don't leftists understand "free healthcare" comes out of their wages anyway?Also even if you cut all spending to Israel(which should happen), it wouldn't even come close to what it costs for medicare for all.We spend 4 billion on israel yearly.Medicare for all could cost 5 TRILLION yearly.
>>545776172I don't pay taxes and get government handouts anyway, retard.>inb4 product taxesnot real retard
>>545776172Kys miggee
>>545776172>>545776013Can you please only spam one thread at a time?
No lolbertarian migger has ever even suggested a compromise of full Healthcare for children diagnosed with terminal illness. You're retards psyopped by kike and you deserve to suffer
>>545776172why can't 20-40s year olds afford health care? if they could get a good deal on coverage they wouldn't be campaigning for it you fucking retard
>>545776172Why does Israel have free healthcare while Americans don't? Israel is more advanced than we are.
>>545776221parasites need to be burned off for the host to survive
>>545776172I hope you get raped, castrated, tortured, and killed.
>Why don't leftists understand "free healthcare" comes out of their wages anyway?We do. What the fuck do you think "socialized" means? Why don't right wingers understand that single payer means no more insurance networks restricting where you can get care, less middlemen leaches, no more getting stuck at a job because you get insurance through them, and a maximized pool to reduce individual risk/costs?The insurance industry is a giant parasite on American workers.
>>545776172Nobody really cares how much money could be spent or saved either way. It sounds so irresponsible but ever missile we give to Ukraine is more than people make in an entire year. It really doesn't matter because it's beyond the scope. They just see it as money wasted. When fiscal conservatives brag about how much money they saved they don't seem to notice that the apathy is actually backed by some sort of math that just causes more apathy if you check their work.
>>545776172What don't you understand about buying power?Healthcare is incredibly jewish and you aren't getting your monies worth retard.
>>545776232>>545776308I said I hate israel and want to abolish all aid to them>>545776365why?>>545776387>What the fuck do you think "socialized" means?Leftists are under the impression the money will all come from billionaires. But it obviously won't and there isn't enough money. The middle class and poor will be taxed to pay for it.
If you want healthcare prices to go down, you have to get rid of government intervention that only serves to benefit health insurance monopolies.We need a free market in healthcare.
>>545776172It needs balance, so many of the right wing moves have pushed every apparatus to become a money printer instead of having its intended effect
>>545776589>Leftists are under the impression the money will all come from billionaires.No. Obviously not. Cause in an ideal society those won't exist. Fucking parasites.>But it obviously won't and there isn't enough money.Money isn't a finite resource. There can be not enough buyers or not enough sellers, but there's no such thing as not enough money. Dipshit.
>>545776624>We need a free market in healthcare.So why has zero governments in world history ever implemented that?
>>545776172If they are consisten leftist they also want to abolish intellectual property. Considering how much more pricey it makes production of drugs and certain medical apparats, socialist Healthcare would be cheaper on all metrics
>>545776804>Obviously not.Then obviously YOU are going to pay for these social programs, meaning your life won't be any better materially?>parasitesHow are businessmen who creative massively productive businesses that employ a fuckton of people parasites?All all businesses parasites or just billionaires?>Money isn't a finite resource.Well no shit. You can also just print the money, cause massive inflation and make your life a million times worse, which is what you bootlickers are going to do every single time.pic rel>>545776833Because governments are inherently evil and inefficient.America had somewhat of a free market in healthcare in the past before it got destroyed by government.
>>545776930The problem is, capitalist America has produced more innovation in 21st century than socialist USSR in whole 20th century. You could start race baiting and preach about genetic superiority but even the naziest nazi won't deny that the American market fosters innovation on itself. Is a socialist silicon Valley where people are only driven by a salary 2 standard devitions above the average and the spirit possible?
>>545776172I don't understand why the idea of our taxes coming back to benefit us is such a repulsive idea.
>>545777252It's not.But you're going to be taxed more than you currently are to pay for "free shit".Also if you are middle class you are mainly going to be paying for the poor, so your living standards go down.
>>545777017>Because governments are inherently evil and inefficient.That's not what my Bible says, so why should I listen to some insane faggot on the internet over God? Or do you not know what the word "inherently" means?
>>545776172you lost tranny
>>545776172Let me put it in terms a corporate brained lolbert could understand: free healthcare is like a subscription service where the fees are taxes.
>>545777387Anon, do you think more of my tax dollars are going to the poor or the rich? Before you answer, consider just how exponentially richer the rich has gotten in the last few decades.
>>545776172I cant believe the rest of the developed world manages it for less than that. Our government must be really off the rails. Maybe we can start with that 4 billion and see where it goes from there?
>>545776804>Money isn't a finite resourceIt rather literally is, it represents labor. The amount of 'money' is directly connected to how much labor there is, and you can't squeeze infinite labor out of a populace.
>>545776172I will gladly pay higher taxes if it means Americans will not die on the street. It's better than having my money go to Israel. Btw, I'm on welfare so that I can get my tax dollars back that I put into the system, and I'm gonna stay on it until I get back every fucking cent or until policy changes to something for which I want to contribute to the system again. Stay mad, faggot. You won't do shit.
>>545776172Stop spamming your AI slop shit
>>545776221How? I want to get some free gibbs.
>>545777505>steal my money and give me back much less in "services"How is this a benefit?>>545777532>consider just how exponentially richer the rich has gotten in the last few decades.It's called money printing. Something you retards strongly support and something we are strongly against.>>545777551The most successful universal healthcare systems have a healthy private system alongside it.See Switzerland, Japan, Singapore, Germany etc.
>>545776172why are lolbergs spamming AI threads so much today?
>>545777679Oh shit maybe we can take the Israeli and try that? After all if the free market is so effecient it should have no problem competing. I'd much rather our money circle back to us than out.
>>545777729Why are you mad at Libertarians for being objectively correct about everything?Imagine being a central bank cumdrinker lmao>>545777800For the millionth time, yes, nuke israel.The savings are a drop in the bucket and still not enough to pay for medicare for all
>>545777729Because saars are literally incapable of anything besides street shitting and izzat farming.
>>545776172so you are saying they get a smaller government check
>>545776172explain why in europe health care doesnt cost 5 trillion but somethong about 1 and half, or 4k usd a year per citizen? does visiting a doctor cost like 8k usd alone? european system is better than yours, it put citizens first and corporations second
>>545777679>It's called money printing.It's actually called the abolishment of unions and the common worker losing all leverage in collective negotiations. But ok, we can just ignore the fact that the biggest jump in money printing happened under trump due to his mishandling of covid and his constant pressure on jpow to keep interest levels low in the late 2010s despite having a recovered economy all so he can point to the stock market and brag about it.
>>545776172>Why don't leftists understandBrother leftist don't have brain at all... these retards voted for radical islam thinking they will gain more rights while islamists will literally kill them they voted for suicide.
That's how taxes work retardEveryone wants their money to go to public infrastructure and social netsNot bombing people and giving jews free housing and healthcareYour 5 trillion figure is bullshit btw but you're a gop migger shill
>>545777947Because the american system is a fucking joke. It's expensive due to government intervention, and getting rid of this intervention is the only thing that can bring prices down.See: >>545776624Also european systems have long waiting lines and lack of care
>>545778041>this fucking imageyou commies have done nothing but force the working class into poverty>That's how taxes work retardYes by making us work harder and giving us less in return?>gop migger Ah yes I'm a migger because I want to nuke israelmakes perfect sense
>>545776804but you will still have a debt-based, interest driven economy and banks run by the jews.
>>545776308the inbuilt deception of your language use of free when we both know what material effort paid
>>545777960>abolishment of unionsWhat? Like 10% of workers in america are in unionsAt the height of union power in america it was around 20%. Unions aren't responsible for American living standards.The problem was always MONEY PRINTINGYet you anti worker parasites continue to support that>But ok, we can just ignore the fact that the biggest jump in money printing happened under trumpYes, I know, Trump is a socialist retard
>>545778041Stupid commie, when you will see cuts from your paycheck and be unable to pay rent you going to cry because you didn't pay support for niggers. You retards are truly mentally ill.
Do other countries have similar issues with healthcare costs?
>>545777252how many illegal immigrants until there are no tax dollars left for anyone except those who used public funds to buy votes
>>545778269Yes actually look at france and the UK. They're in a debt spiral right now. It's unsustainable.
>>545777960you literally have brain damage
>>545778319Didn't they fuck themselves over with brexit or some shit?
>>545777670have kids for bolsa and live in a city that gives you food aid for living there (you can buy anything from the supermarket with it)
>>545778401Thanks.>food aidThat would be super useful, what is it usually called? Ajuda Alimentar?
>>545776285They get it already. Parents file for SSI and Medicaid and usually get both if the parents don't have much money and if they are making average the child is usually on health insurance anyway and Medicaid can usually still get involved if they push it through acting as the child's primary insurance with the employer insurance acting as secondary. It's still not great because the co-pay for terminal shit is usually pretty fucking crazy.Most of the "help Baby Jane/Jim" donations is to cover hotel lodgings, eating out, gas, and other expenses that come with helping the parents cover non-medical related costs that come with all the travel, overnight stays, and such associated with dealing with the situation. That's legitimate stuff, mind you, but isn't a uniquely American situation at that point.
>>545776833We did in America, but then we voted women into power and that gave kikes power and whoops we let kikes run our society now. Used to be you could pay a doc on retainer for cheap, no need for this insurance business, no need for scripts either - just go to the chemist and get whatever you needed. Cocaine included! But nope, all of that got regulated and credential walled and other political bullshit.
>>545778561>Used to be you could pay a doc on retainer for cheap, no need for this insurance business, no need for scripts either - just go to the chemist and get whatever you needed. Cocaine included! But nope, all of that got regulated and credential walled and other political bullshit.TRVKE
>>545778458goes from city to city so i'm not sure, here's one example.
>>545778066lack of care? what sort of care you have in us that you would miss here? are you in dire need of face trasplantation or you need specialist to keep you alive while are you are roidmaxxing? i dont need to wait half a year to get my ass checked, meanwhile in us i expect i will need to both wait and also pay 25k for it, our system is state run, private clinics follow the rules, economy of scale and regulation of corporate greed keeps the price down, it's not perfect, but i dont have to stress myself over a bug bite
>>545778166I will join you in your calls to stop the money printing as soon as possible. That's not something we disagree with. Don't go making an enemy out of me just yet. But something as whole complex as the economy does not have a one button press fix. We all have our primary focus, and my focus is the blatantly obvious fact of where our money is actually going. Follow the money, as they say. Nevermind newly printed money; it's an fact that our money is flowing to the top, and I think a huge benefit to the middle class is to either slow it down or even put a stop to it if possible. I don't think that's something you should disagree with.I also know that they're doing everything they can (owning news networks, paying off influencers, etc) to get you to >>545778287 look away from them and point your fingers elsewhere. But don't take your eyes off of where most of the money is actually going. The poor/immigrant class still live in squalor while the rich are exponentially getting richer all the time. Are you sure you're pointing at the right people for your problems?
>>545776289Because the American 'healthcare system' is a bunch of restrictions placed on the market designed to make it implode. Doctors deal directly with insurance and the company for the max amount on every procedure. The delta between cash and insurance payment is something insane like 300% depending on where you live. Then the doctor's malpractice is structured such that they don't even get to keep the margins. It's just the insurers and pharma companies jerking each other off endlessly. Most people can't or don't want to self-insure for 7 figures, so they sign up to get raped by the health insurance machine if they can afford it even though it's an awful deal.Then dumbfuck commies blame it on capitalism and dumbfuck boomers blame it on kids being lazy when it's really your fucking psychopath federal government herding you toward making *them* the single payer while greasing the skids with the blood of the poor.
>>545776172should have a third slide seeing the own money going to israel instead
>>545778660Thanks. I'll go look into it.
>>545778268that's already happening in judeocapitalism lol. every young person is doing 2-3 jobs to afford rent with roommates>>545778114China is the only country lifting people out of poverty at the moment. DPRK is doing great as wellSo you don't like people benefiting from THEIR OWN TAX DOLLARS what do you want? More billionaire bailouts? Another dozen F35s for Bibi?Fuck off and stop being a dumb boomer
>>545778561That mainly got started because medical quackery was rampant with people selling irradiated water and such as panacea type cures. The FDA was made to stamp that shit down and the resulting oversight drove costs through the roof. It's also why American Healthcare became damn near futuristic sci-fi shit compared to a lot of other nations for decades.
>>545778671>lack of care?They don't have access to the latest drugs and treatments. Also there are waiting lines.I'd rather have a cheap free market system with the latest tech than have a government monopoly>>545778674>Nevermind newly printed money; it's an fact that our money is flowing to the top, and I think a huge benefit to the middle class is to either slow it down or even put a stop to it if possible. I don't think that's something you should disagree with.The money printing should be completely abolished and so should central banks.>Are you sure you're pointing at the right people for your problems?The rich are the main cunts benefiting from this, yes. It's the main problem.
>>545778704>it's the governmentBut you made it sound like it's the insurance companies
>>545776172>Medicare for all could cost 5 TRILLION yearly.Taxing elites and corporations fairly could generate well more than $5 trillion yearly.
>>545778749>posting ridiculous third world propaganda from north korea with zero sourcesDo the norks also have flying cities and time travel at this point too?Imagine being this gullible. Almost as dumb as MIGGERS>China is the only country lifting people out of poverty at the moment. Why do workers in Taiwan make 4x what workers in china make?>DPRK is doing great as wellAll that is happening is they are spending the money they got from sending slaves to the front line for putin. Pyongyang has a few more LED lights that's it.
>>545778811>Taxing elites and corporations fairly could generate well more than $5 trillion yearly.No it fucking couldn't lmaoyou're confusing stock valuations for liquid cashYou could tax them 100% and not even come close to paying for medicare for all.pic related is how dumb you are
>>545778811Tax AI, didn't they just collapse for trillions of dollars? And they've already invested 1.6T, with more to come.
>>545776172America actually has a really bizarre healthcare system. Your employer provides your health coverage so technically you're already doing what the comic describes just through your employer instead of the government. But your employer doesn't actually consume the healthcare so they have no market incentive to prefer a good service, they just want to lower costs. And unless you work a union job or at a co-op (most people don't) you don't get to personally negotiate your benefits.Generally what happens is employers periodically attempt to switch to a cheaper insurer, key employee personnel threaten to walk, and the employer goes back with its tail tucked between its legs. Germany has a private system similar to the US but workers actually pick their own insurance and take it with them between employers (employers only cover up to a point, if you get fancy coverage you have to pay the reminder on your own dime) so market incentives still exist.
>>545778906>And they've already invested 1.6T,This money isn't REAL lmaoit's just printed from the federal reserveand it's going to collapse so fucking hard and there will be nothing to tax
>>545778961Does that make it better or worse that they can build all those datacenters with fake money?
>>545777017>Then obviously YOU are going to pay for these social programs, meaning your life won't be any better materially?1. Elimination of middlemen reducing costs2. No more network bullshitMy life is materially better with these alone before you even get to3. Progressive taxationThe idea that everyone pays into systems the same flat dollar amount is fucking insane. It is impossible to run any government like that because of how little income the bottom %s have. You can't get blood from a stone.>How are businessmen who creative massively productive businesses that employ a fuckton of people parasites?>productiveFirst of all, many businesses are not productive, e.g. the insurance industry. Second of all, many billionaires do not make or maintain their wealth through production, or started companies via leeched profits from non-productive ventures. Third of all, inherited wealth is a thing.>Well no shit. You can also just print the money, cause massive inflation and make your life a million times worse, which is what you bootlickers are going to do every single time.Oh no, heaven forbid there be inflation in *checks notes* the cost of healthcare.Also this is setting aside the nonsensical idea that there is not enough money to go around. You're essentially arguing too many doctors would crash the economy. Okay. Pay hospital staff less and fire some of the bloated admin positions. It's not like medical staff are fucking starving.>But how will they pay for the cost of med school?!?Speaking of shit that should be covered by the government>But there's not enough moneyYou're essentially arguing too many professors would crash the economy. Okay. Pay university staff less and fire some of the bloated admin positions. It's not like university staff are fucking starving.>Because governments are inherently evil and inefficientAs opposed to the beacon of efficiency, the fucking healthcare insurance system
>>545778824Nope they just have happy healthy population with no jews and fake food and healthcare and public infrastructure despite infinity kike sanctionsTaiwan>idiot jew doesn't understand what is cost of living>no understanding other than western news articlesah yes north korean economy is entirely propped up by sending a bunch of soldiers to russia lol. westoid brain actually believes this lol. You still haven't answered what you want tax dollars to be actually used for and just seem scared commies will stop your jewcapitalist exploitation and ignorance lol
>>545777252Because in practice you aren't the one that is going to benefit from them. The government already takes in $5T in taxes and I get jack shit. If they want $7T they need to prove they can do something with the 5 they have, not ask for more, otherwise they just sound like a junkie asking for even more money you know they're going to waste.
>>545778863>No it fucking couldn't lmao>you're confusing stock valuations for liquid cashNo, I'm not. Raise capital gains taxes and then close the buy-borrow-die loophole for good. Most billionaires pay basically zero in taxes because they defer the sale to estate settlement. Billionaires are CONSTANTLY borrowing against their assets. If that borrowing were a taxable event, we could raise the money just fine. There's no reason for something like the short- and long-term dichotomy in the first place. Raise the highest marginal tax rates back to 50s levels and then make borrowing create a tax burden immediately. Boom: trillions upon trillions of dollars of tax revenue.
>>545779020>Nope they just have happy healthy populationHAHAHAHAHA How do north korea apologists even exist?None of what you say is true.The government controls all media and speech so there is no real way to verify what they say. Not to mention the fact they lie constantly.Why don't you just go live there you bootlicker kek>fake food and healthcarenorth koreans have no food and no healthcare pic related>>idiot jew doesn't understand what is cost of livingAdjusted for cost of living and inflation Taiwanese make nearly 4x what workers in china make lol>ah yes north korean economy is entirely propped up by sending a bunch of soldiers to russia lolIt basically is. They don't export anything except for slaves.>westoid brain actually believes this lol.Because it's true and you are in a cult lol>You still haven't answered what you want tax dollars to be actually used for Killing communists and fascists.>capitalist exploitationlmao you people eat feces and let the government starve you to death
>>545776172>anon invents taxation from trying to misrepresent 'handouts'theres so many times browsing this retard board that I wish you guys were less retarded so you could understand your own retardation>be government>issue legal tender>legal tender is exchanged through economic activity>citizens: “why would I want your paper rectangles”>“you owe taxes. payable only in rectangles.”>suddenly everyone needs rectangles by April>farmers, workers, merchants all scrambling for rectangles>nobody cares about the rectangles>everybody cares about not going to jail>gold bugs: “muh intrinsic value”>anon, you can’t pay the IRS in gold>mfw the value was never in the paper>mfw the value was the tax bill the whole timeyou capture the Chartalist state theory of money in your shitty gpt gen and you don't even understand your own creation. you probably dont even have enough active neurons to understand anything my post is telling you
>>545778762You too have waiting lines, your drugs are made in india and can be dangerous because there is no governing body can test and recall and inspect production facilities, our drugs are made mainly in Germany, France and Denmark. They are far cheaper and yet far better than yours. Especially the over-the-counter types. You cant have free market and cheap, that's oxymoron, free market will put price on the product and because it's healtcare, they are basically ask for how much you value your life. that's what you have in your free market system, india made pills and satanic healthcare, and we didnt even mention insurance companies yet, in usa, they are also effectively deregulated compared to the ones here
>>545779020also taiwan vs china lol
>>545779008>First of all, many businesses are not productive, e.g. the insurance industry.True but that can be solved by removing the government intervention that gives them power in the first place.Almost all businesses benefit society.>Oh no, heaven forbid there be inflation in *checks notes* the cost of healthcare.Why would you support this inflation existing? It's completely optional and not a natural aspect of healthcare costs.>You're essentially arguing too many doctors would crash the economy. Uh no? I want more doctors to reduce costs. I'm too busy to respond to the rest of your arguments so I'll give up. But if you want to understand my position read this image:>>545776624
>>545779150>You cant have free market and cheapThen why did it work in the past before all of this government intervention?>that's what you have in your free market systemAmerica OBVIOUSLY does not have a free market system.>effectively deregulatedlol they only EXIST due to the "regulation"
>>545779260>Almost all businesses benefit society.Lmao
>>545779136>lie to you constantlyand jewish controller media doesn't lmaotheir food is not gmo trash>muh north korea is just rgb lights>muh north korea doesn't have lightsmake up your mind lol>adjustednope>slavescapitalist slave calling people slave lol>WAR WAR WAR FOR BILLIONAIRE PROFITS PROTECT THE JEWS FUCK YOU FUCK YOUlol there it is
there are various analyses of medicare for all and most show we would save money overall
>>545779167>Taiwan and capitalism is so great it has double or triple the suicide rateYou're not fooling anyone bergenstein
>>545779415And that's just the finances. When you attempt to price in all of the social externalities, it's single-payer healthcare is one of the best societal decisions we have available to make.
>>545776172>Medicare for all could cost 5 TRILLION yearly.you're basing this on inflated medical costs due to insurance companies. Get rid of insurance companies and have single payer then costs will nosedive
>>545779345>and jewishWOW you mean two things can be true at once?You mean jews and MIGGERS lie constantly and so does north korea?Nah you're too dumb to do that. I reject the boots completely yet you enjoy licking them if they are the right color>their food is not gmo trashThey don't have any food. Most of the time you aren't allowed to grow your own food.The only reason they aren't starving to death right now is the black market. They literally need capitalism to survive kek>make up your mindRetard lolMost of the country is in darkness, but they recently added a few more buildings and LED lights to Pyongyang.>nopeIt literally is.Workers in Taiwan have far more disposable income than workers in china>capitalist slave LMAO I have a much higher living standard than any communist slave and you know it>>WAR WAR WAR FOR BILLIONAIRE PROFITSThat's literally what you support. Forcing north koreans to die for russian oligarchs lol>>545779423>suicide rateWhy would you ever take the suicide rate as reported by the monopolistic north korean government as fact?How fucking retarded are you? lmao
>>545779344If we didn't have businesses creating wealth and mass producing goods and services over the past 150 years, we would be a lot poorer and be working much longer hours and you know it.
>>545776172Laughing at lolbertarians will at least always be free
>>545779423>>545779345How do North Korea bootlickers actually exist?Everybody get a load of this freak!
>>545778550>SSI>Medicaid>co-payThat's not what I said. Free. For kids.
>>545779415Not when you are a retard traitor shitstain that throws open the border for tens of millions of alien foreigners.
>>545779577>haha you guys ended up being objectively correct about everything????
>>545776624this is the stupidest fucking image I've ever seen in my entire life, holy shit you are so beyond retarded you have no fucking clue. You actually can't even understand how dumb you are. I could try arguing with your AI slop but A) I doubt you even read it and B) I am so intellectually superior to you and more informed on this subject we'd be speaking two different languages.You should just kill yourself immediately.
>>545779423>North Korean statisticsAre you, are you actually retarded?China too I suppose, but taking NK's number for anything seriously is a literal negative IQ move, that said I suppose the suicide rate might be less simply because they die so much from other things, starvation, the government simply killing them, parasites and shit.
>>545779524Yet you completely swallowed jewish migger capitalist propaganda. Curious.This isn't the 1980s anymore gramps. They're thriving.And? You knock china for being a chintzy rgb country but then shame north korea for having low light pollution? Which is it jew?He still intentionally misunderstands cost of living lmao. $1000 doesn't mean shit when your rent is $1500Those are international suicide stats but you can keep coping. I accept your defeat btw. You deranged kike war boomer.Capitalism brings jews, feminists, troons, corruption all because you worship jewish paper. You don't have loyalty to your blood or nation. You worm.
>>545779670>this is the stupidest fucking image I've ever seen in my entire lifeI think you're just too dumb to understand it.>You should just kill yourself immediately.You have zero fucking argument lol.Imagine knowing that the government bans new hospitals from being built to compete with existing hospitals and you don't think this contributes to increased healthcare costs.fucking LMAO
>>545778751>That mainly got started because medical quackery was rampant It got worse! The massive faggots literally reset the world over a nothing burger virus! >>545779113Here's a better idea, pass proper tariffs and make other countries handle the tax/paperwork. Oh noo they'll charge more and do all that shit the government was going to do to you anyway only in the case of tariffs there will at least be competition to pay for our niggers.>noo that wouldn't work because *IRS completely nullifies whatever argument you were about to retort*
>>545779590>he's so buttblasted he posted twice>everybodyNo you're alone and your outdated inhuman kike rothchild way of life will go down this century
>>545779712>Yet you completely swallowed jewish migger capitalist propaganda.I don't because it doesn't exist. You just strung a bunch of words together because you're a low IQ tankie redditor.I hate trump. I hate israel. I support free markets. >hey're thriving.LMAO then why is most of their country in absolute darkness?>low light pollutionHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>it's good my government forces me into darkness to the point I can barely survivekekekekeke>intentionally misunderstands cost of livingYOU do. Pic related. Do you even know what disposable income is?When taking all of those things into account, workers in capitalist taiwan make far more >international suicide stats that come from the nk government lol>I accept your defeat you fucking support north korea HAHAplease move there
>>545779755Yes everyone. That is except the handful of room temp IQ basketball niggers that only go there because Kim pays them to.
>>545779755>stop laughing at meYou literally suck kim jong un's micropenis lmfaoYou'd gladly let me force you to die on the front lines in ukraine because you get off on being enslaved sexually.What an absolute waste of a life you are.Imagine blindly trusting a government that has no free press.Tankies aren't even human.
>>545776172>Why don't leftists understand "free healthcare" comes out of their wages anyway?Why don't leftists understand "free public school" comes out of their wages anyway?Why don't leftists understand "free roads and highways" comes out of their wages anyway?
>>545779925those things are reasonable and people dont mind paying taxes for them, but healthcare is different
>>545778806Except medical insurers are 100% creatures of government because they have to be permitted by government and follow all the same regulations.If it really is the insurance companies, then making the federal government the sole payer will just put all the money in one place for pharma to steal. If you believe the intent of the system is what it does, ...
>>545779869>>545779892Not a single communist is in the Epstein files lolYou're kike slave bots and this thread has people telling you how retarded you boomers areStop holding back progress for future generations lmaoIf communism was bad for you jews wouldn't spend billions in money and manpower to sabotage it and convince you to hate it
>>545780118>Not a single communist is in the Epstein files lolMeanwhile every single communist in history was a literal child rapists including mao, stalin and beria. lol>kike slaveYour entire ideology was created by a jew to completely enslave you while making you think you are free.>and this thread has people telling youThere are people mocking you besides me because you literally support mass enslavement and totalitarianism lmfao>PLEAAAASEEE ENSLAVE ME AND SEND ME TO DIE FOR RUSSIA SAAR>Stop holding back progress Says the communist whos ideology has done nothing but that.Communist lostChina and vietnam embraced market liberalism and thrived.North korea is still centrally planned and is failing lol lmaoooo
>>545779955Why? Everyone gets sick or injured sooner or later and it's better for society if they recover and remain productive.
>>545776172This AI slop picture is based.Because it proves socialists have it right. Under their system you get to keep your money after it's run through the system.Under state-capitalism the state just keeps it.
>>545780118>ccp>communistRealistically CCP and Triads are joined at the hip and they're 100% running child trafficking in their own channels. Because that's what people with that much power and zero accountability do. They're not part of the Dutch-Anglo-Zionist administrative complex, so of course they're not in the Epstein files. It's not a fuckin global pedo rolodex.
>>545780627>Under their system you get to keep your money after it's run through the system.But you don't.The state is inefficient and you probably get back 20% of it after they take their cut
>>545780580a free market would be cheaper
The picture would be more accurate if the man was a billionaire like Musk.
>>545776172>shitty post about Healthcare costs.>meme flagFuck off
>>545782210u mad?
>>545780118>not a single communist is in the Epstein fileswho's going to tell him?
>>545779548>If we didn't have businesses creating wealth and mass producing goods and services over the past 150 years, we would be a lot poorer and be working much longer hours and you know it.Define wealth.Businesses don't create "wealth". They move it. Most businesses aren't involved in the mass-production of goods. And many services are just middlemen extracting "wealth". To say nothing of all the goods and services that are negatives on society.A chocolate bar made from stolen water and cocoa harvested by child slaves is a net negative on society. A newsroom that does nothing but churn out propaganda for the worst creatures imaginable is also a net negative on society.I will say the business of governance is a net positive for society, but even that isn't true everywhere.
>>545782270No. But you have absolutely no substance hereIf anything U MADDrop the meme flag and i may give a shit about your opinion on anything. Until then you're just a faggot
>>545776172Price fixing is the answer.
>>545782351Looks like AImeanwhile just a smattering of every capitalist that ever existed in every continent lol
>>545782685the government of Cuba even admitted Castro invited Epstein to Cuba, and how the two met on several occasions.most political figures associated with Epstein's weren't right wingers.
>>545782145Slavery and child labor will be much cheaper economically. That way, all the unpaid money of the lower class can be used to invest into healthcare for people richer than 1,000,000$ .
>>545776172Most of the money you spend on health care goes to the insurance companies and administration. The amount of money you people are paying for insurance is about the same as a lot of people over here earn in total.
>>545776172it’s not my money if my expenses exceed my taxes. it’s the money of someone paying more taxes than i do, e.g. mark zuckerberg
>>545782409>Businesses don't create "wealth".Yes they do lmao.The factories and products they make didn't exist before. Obviously they are creating value for society.>Most businesses aren't involved in the mass-production of goodsAlmost all mass production comes from businesses. What are you even saying?>And many services are just middlemen extracting "wealth". Aside from health insurance, give examples and I will explain how you are wrong.>A chocolate bar made from stolen water and cocoa harvested by child slavesThis is such a stupid and rare example. Most goods and services are not produced in this way. You are not arguing in good faith.>I will say the business of governance is a net positive for societyGovernments have been the most parasitical destructive force on economic production and have made life worse for humanity since the dawn of time.There's a reason why the countries with the freest markets have the highest living standards for workers.>>545782466ya u mad lol
>>545782685>d-dictators that literally own slaves aren't child rapists!!!111How are you still here after getting this BTFO?
>>545783963>Most of the money you spend on health care goes to the insurance companies and administration.Okay why dont we fix that issue instead of destroying the entire system?see: >>545776624
>>545776387>The insurance industry is a giant parasite on American workers.Maybe but your solution was to make doctors and government completely unaccountable. Libs ruined everything by obsessing over one part of the problem.
because mutts pay insurance and they are not insured my dad lives in USA and told me that one mutt from his had some broken legs or something and company told him to fuck off and he is debt right now
>>545776172We're getting chunks of money already taken out of our wages either way. All we're saying is they should spend american taxdollars on american people instead of spending another trillion dollars on bullshit like even more weapons (we've had the capability to literally end the entire fucking planet for years) corporate bailouts and subsidies, bullshit nonsense wars, and israel.Americans, and especially conservatives, like to brag about how we're the weathiest, most prosperous country in the world, why can't we afford a service that pretty much every competing country has? What's the point of all the program cuts they're making if we can't actually spend the money on anything?
