What is your honest opinion of the PUA/MRA/Men's Rights/Manosphere/etc. movement, and its leaders such as Roosh V? Is this movement actually capable of changing culture and society, reforming divorce and custody laws, helping young men get girlfriends, etc. - or is it a scam?
>>545784437Roosh make the right decision by becoming Orthodox and monkmaxxing
>>545784437he's working for iran
>>545784437Mens rights movement was making progress until incels appeared there and ruined all credibility.
>>545784437it will always be mocked until they embrace violence
>>545784437A scam and/or poisoned since it was captured by redpill grifters. Individuals may be good but ultimately any online help is very surface level and to really make progress people need to get a buddy and actually work on themselves in person.
>>545784437It was good when it was akshually real (Roosh himself was legit) but it just turned into failed-PUA guys selling shitty RW political philosophy/analysis. Barely anyone who read anything in the scene akshually bothered to implement any of the lessons so no it didn't have much of an impact, other than at the high end.My friends and I still do well largely thanks to the information shared by older PUA 'mentors' who wrote on the internet.
The only right wing movement should be the destruction of the feminist dystopia.Anything else is cope PUA is just helping people navigate the feminist system they don't help men at all.
>>545784437roosh look hot as hell
Total scam.Underplayed the importance of looks.Most of the pick-up videos turned out to be hired Instagram models.Mystery's PUA TV show - only the good-looking guy on it got any action. I think the guys who fall for the PUA scam must be home-schooled or something, because in any high school ugly guys get mocked for being ugly, and you overhear the girls talking about how hot so-and-so is. It's impossible for a guy to come out of high school thinking that looks don't matter.
Data mining thread but I'll post anyways.The hardcore redpill stuff has been targeted heavily for some time. Book of pook and the sosuave forums I remember. I remember the actual redpill reddit before it got 'quarantined'. I have a pdf of the redpill handbook from so many years ago somewhere. None of it has changed.Society will continue to decay until women value strong fathers. Until that time it will be gossip goblin.Most game aware men who played the game know the pitfalls, sacrifices, burdens, ect ect simply are not worth it. And to try and have a family - which I believe almost all mem want - is laughably impossible and dangerous. If you had a bad start or a abusive parents on top of society telling all men and women the presupposition all men are and forever will be evil oppressive pedophile rapists, nothing a woman does is ever wrong and is even beyond reproach, and the west being slowly invaded by browns who are taking the white women and men(destroying heritage or everyone) - it is crushingly difficult to move forward with the economic formula of the last few generations. The system is not course correcting anytime soon. Yes anything at all that helps men discover the truth about women and the machinations of society will help them with whatever they want to be. That is why the push is so hard to bury everything that empowers men. Society want ls you blissfully ignorant. Private equity wants you to work forever and be a tax slave for a women that controls you and an endured servant to family law. They actually want you happy to do this, however. But you have to know you are a pawn.But the truth will set you free. It's just brutal. Like truth tends to be.
>>545784764Incels didn't appear. It was a label nigger and faggot aligned women imposed on everyone who wasn't bending to their collectivized race communism.
>>545785188There seemed to be a split in the 'manosphere' between men with previous relationships (especially divorcees and men tangled up in custody battles) and men who had less experience with that sort of thing. It seems difficult to give 'general' advice to both of those groups, since they are not in the same place in life, or mentally, or probably financially.Here's a relatively obscure bit of manosphere lore I remember: one of the popular sites in the late-00's was called 'The Spearhead.' It was run by a divorcee who was angry at women. But he had some sort of tech job, which meant that lots of gold-diggers were circling around him. He eventually re-married one of those diggers, and shut down the site because she didn't like it. This created a sense of betrayal among a lot of his readers without his level of financial resources. So, is it all just about money in the end? Is everything else just a male cope?
>>545784437Where is Roosh active nowadays? I thought he disappeared completely around early 2022
>>545785453I don't disagree with you on 'the split' but I think it's much deeper than that. 20 years ago is not even the same world it is now. But generally speaking you are correct.It's all about money if it's all about money to you, friend. Honestly money is a tool. That's how rich people think anyway. It's just a tool. What you do with it is up to you. It's an extremely useful tool if you want a family. It is a tool you will be targeted for by both good and bad women. The absolute most OG, the godfather of the redpill, Rollo Tomasi still spits his lick. And hasn't been fuckin taken out. He did it the right way. I respect the hell out the man for it. Along the way man, flakes show themselves out. I think the heat is so hot and the monetized algorithms are so rampant it's hard to separate wheat from chaffe. And guys, say under 25 haven'tFigured enough out yet. I mean I high mid, buy modern standards. But consider your average rocket scientist.You have to be that, but with everything it takes to pull now. It was definitely easier a decade ago. I'm older obviously, but women don't even reciprocate the same way anymore. Mostly blase if not openly hostile. Somewhere in the last decade men have lost trust in women, and women just hate men now. It didn't use to be that way. 'Just be attractive bro' ect ect.
>>545784437eCelebsno
My experience with white goyim has been that they're law-abiding, risk-averse, non-revolutionary, emotionally repressed. Their main priority is never to admit that things are really fucked and that it might be time to freak the fuck out both privately and collectively.Jobs don't even exist for them anymore, and yet 98% of then are asking whether they should go to school or apply for 5000 more jobs that don't pay enough to live and don't hire white men.Women are a tricky and very empowered enemy, so of course these goyim lose on that front too.The manosphere was just an introduction to the revolutionary masculine worldview, just like political redpills or understanding how fake the economy is. Once you digest this introduction, you're supposed to radicalize, but goyim seem to be too stupid and psychologically conformist to do that.In real life, the smartest white nazi revolutionaries that I know all simply turned to crime due to being high-agency.
>>545786544Until this reality changes and white goyim become criminalized, radical, militant outlaws, nothing will work for them.Manosphere, schmanosphere, redpill, blackpill, it's all for nothing as long as you remain docile slavish CATTLEGo apply for more JERBSgo sign up for more DATING APPSgo get humiliated some more, STUOID WHITE FAGGOTS
>>545784437The leaders are grifters the entire lot. They're snake oil salesman. They don't actually want you to achieve a happy married life because then you wouldn't need to buy their books or listen to their shows anymore, so they give advice entirely designed to backfire.The members are whiny little bitches who want to get into circle jerks that will tell them what they want to hear. They're identical to the rabbid feminists who get together to trash men and eat icecream except they'll have a beer instead while they use the exact same talking points of how they're being oppressed and the other side has the power.
>>545784437It was good when it was smaller and operated on more of a praxeological basis. However it eventually became overrun with glowniggers and 80IQ mutts like Tate and his retard fanbase. Now it's an easily digestible half ideology for unthinking morons, like American conservatism or whatever the modern bio-leninist scum believe currently. Anyone worth a shit from this time eventually moved on to different projects or were majorly cancelled on the mainstream sites. Old chateau heartiste posts were kino. Basically anything they had to say was said, some of which is not totally appropriate for the 2020+ period.
>>545784437It teaches you about reality.Just like coming here.It will change as much as thid place will.Which is not a lot, it seems.
