Brutal blackpill, turns out practicing is for betas.If you have to "try" to accomplish something, just stop lmao it's fucking embarrassing >There was no difference in ability within monozygotic twin pairs differing in their amount of practice, so that when genetic predisposition was controlled for, more practice was no longer associated with better music skills. These findings suggest that music practice may not causally influence music ability and that genetic variation among individuals affects both ability and inclination to practice.Your sweep arpeggios won't get you a date chuddie. You will always suck. It's time to stophttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079217/
>>545837641I knew that. The athletes at my school were superior at EVERY sport than the spazzes, nerds, and autists without even trying.
>>545837641Maybe im rerarded but is this claiming that the guy who has played guitar for 20 years is not hetter than his twin who just picked up the guitar yesterday?
>>545837641>whites don’t study
>>545837641depends on what kind of musical ability they're talking about in their gay study?>singing?yeah, it's probably true>instruments?very false
>>545837641Incels don't exist
>>545837641https://youtu.be/yECo3qSoHxA?si=MZbGWeQBv6XxCNxU
>>545837641>rhythm, melody, and pitch discriminationThings that require an IQ higher than double digits to understand, op is a retarded faggot, and anybody responding to him in agreement DOUBLY so.
>>545837758the guys who actually turn pro train super hard thoughyou need both talent and practice to really git gud (at anything)
>>545837641Sounds like bullshit
>>545837641How do you measure musical ability? By definition it's subjective
>>545837641>blah blah blah nerd termsShut up faggot.
>>545837853its all so tiresome
>>545838125the technical stuff is objective. look for some performances of pablo casals on his cello.composition is a matter of taste.
>>545837641
>>545837641>Your sweep arpeggios won't get you a date chuddie.You haven't heard my legato technique tho.Makes the ladies wet.
>>545838172https://youtu.be/KX1YtvFZOj0
>>545837641I've been studying music since 2020 or so and this is certainly truebut it's still worthwhile to study as it allows you to understand music at a deeper level, and to participate in some basic waymost traditional or folk music is easy to play and enjoy. the only music which is difficult is so-called fine or classical music. and that is considered refined specifically because it can't ever be played by most people
>new incel traitShould have a whole bunch of data to contribute in about 2.4 hours. Then I'll have the whole site.
>>545837641That study was debunked 10 years ago, retard.
>>545837820If twin 1 put 1000 hours into practice and twin 2 put 50000 hours into practice then there wouldn't be a significant difference in skill. You have to have some level of training or practice to do X or Y, that's why studies that investigate cognitive function pick some extremely weird or niche task to get a relatively even playing field.
>>545837820I believe this article was written by a Jew that tried to play guitar for a few days, and then came up with this cope to explain quiting. I have no proof of this but I believe it.
>>545838172Ok so let's assume the study is 100% accurate, it's saying that technical ability may reach a certain plateau. That doesn't mean musical ability is limited in any way.
>>545837820No, more like that incessant practice in a field can never make up for baseline disposition, genetic inheritance, and/or natural talent, and that lacking all three cannot be remedied by practice. i.e. Some things you just can't "git gud" at. Also that it seems the default inclination for a person to get into music seems to be directly correlated with the three aforementioned properties.>>545838125>By definition it's subjectiveIt literally isn't. And being good any type of art being "subjective" is the kind of take people with zero talent use to cope with their mediocrity.
I don't understand why a community of incels would just openly allow their entire website and everything everyone has every said on the website from beginning to end to just be allowed to be scraped and then you could use AI to compile doxes on every single user and release the doxes for no reason, but that's something the administrator of incels.is is okay with I guess.
>>545838439K keep me posted
>>545838382casals practiced multiple hours a day into his 90s. it gets harder to make progress the farther up the curve you go, but that doesnt mean you cant make progress.
>>545838463I'm not doxing them but I will post the database lmao
>>545838476pussy
>>545837641/pol/ will never be ready for how brutal genetic determinism is
>>545838508Get local gemma to do your doxing for you
>>545837641sometimes it's not about the destination, but the act
>>545838476Whatever you say nigger.
>>545837902>>instruments?>very falsetruelisten to interviews of any top tier musicians, most of them born in family that played some instruments and/or were given instruments since early age when they started to playe.g.late 70s and 80s decade los angeles musicians
>>545838569Currently running analysis
>>545838569Shoutout to those forum membersI do remember @itsOVER being especially prolific
>>545837820White people cant play blues like black people its genetica ...
>>545838740Does it include your mother posting her blown out butthole?
>>545838841Nah it's just a bunch of forum data. Hopefully it helps us understand how radicalization works in online communities and a way to reverse it reliably.
>>545838433So basically the people who are naturals at something will be better than people who arent but try to grind and that given equal task exposure natural talent wins out against effort?They needed a study to show this? Money wasting faggot jeets in academia need deported.
>>545838877What forum? SA?
>>545838917No, it's incels.is.
>>545837641Lmao this is objectively and demonstratively false fuck these mind jews lol
>>545838588the muscle memory and fine motor control is something that you get through countless hours of repetition. instant coordination of precise movements on each hand and each finger at once? it's self-evident that this would improve from repetition.
Yeah, not the best website ever. Neither is sanctioned suicide. I think a lot of people want both these websites banned.
>>545837641i dont get the point of that studyare they measuring musical creation or just instrument playing? you can teach anyone to play basic piano tunes
>>545837641>EUGENICS IS REALEUGENICS IS REAL>EUGENICS IS REALEUGENICS ISREAL
>>545838877>usWhomst?
>>545837641>>545838379thissomebody paid them to get that resultthe question is, who
>>545838930It's common knowledge by now that I.N.C.E.L. is who 4chan steals their memes from and then spread them to normalfags. Basically you're not studying discrete ideologies but rather a general pendulum swing back towards bio-determinism.Boomers and foids talk about "black fatigue" openly. Women are increasingly seen as the vaginal jew they are. All the abandoned old ways (segregation, slavery) will soon seem newly logical, even beautiful. The myth that women are "brainwashed" is crumbling day by day
>>545839129i say mind over matter and we just need to believe
>>545837641Lol, gee fucking whiz! What a discovery! Next you're going to tell me niggers are stupid because of the shape of their brains. I fucking love science!
>>545837820Yes
>>545837641>If you have to "try" to accomplish something, just stop lmao it's fucking embarrassingI've known this for a long time. However, the real blackpill that forever remains undefeated is nepotism.
>>545839258Being this pathetic and being this desperate to push individualism is beyond childish>>545839376I can believe it. The forum, violent as it is, has a lot more culture than this place does these days. I haven't seen any foids or black people talk about "black fatigue" where I'm at in real life, black people are just an accepted part of the community and they go about their days like normal. Women are seen as privileged at this point, I'll say that much.... slavery nor segregation are logical in the current era. I don't foresee them being logical in the future era either. The need for labor in general is greatly reduced and very likely will continue to be so. People are brainwashed, not exclusively women. Look into: brandwashing, microtargeting, marketing, user retention, introduction of friction to software products, etc. All of these are real things.
>>545837853>whites arguing as niggers nowholy KEK
>>545838991Keep coping
>>545839477>foids>black 'people'Kosher klanker detected
>>545837758>Positive feedback loopThe chads had good genetics for sport so they did more sport and got good at them and the snowball effect took over from there.You were good at masturbating to cartoons so you did that more often and now you're really good at it!
>>545839516As grok would say, reality is not optional. Women, black people, etc, all people.
>>545838991repetition does create melodies/rhythms and never heard before tunese.g. both van halen guys jake e lee mark kendall and many more in guitar areaand then you can check stories spoken by top tier drummers and bass players, same thing all started early or were from musical families, some even had formal education
>>545837641Bullshit, I'm a trained musician and know this is false
>>545839491cope what? you can't play any instruments and I play three.
>>545837853Notice how they have to control for income for asians to be as smart as whites? We've been lied to, whites are smarter than asians
>>545839546Think of something you're terrible at instead.
>>545837820OP is a faggot. the study talks about rhythym, melody, and pitch discrimination not the skill of playing an instrument.i am no musician but i suspect those 3 things refer to the "musical ear" so it makes sense to be hereditary.>Here, we examined the associations (rs = .18-.36) between music practice and music ability (rhythm, melody, and pitch discrimination) in 10,500 Swedish twins. We found that music practice was substantially heritable (40%-70%). Associations between music practice and music ability were predominantly genetic, and, contrary to the causal hypothesis, nonshared environmental influences did not contribute. There was no difference in ability within monozygotic twin pairs differing in their amount of practice
>>545839655I'm good at everything i try. And i get tremendously better with practice. That's how training works, literally.
>>545837853Of course blacks can switch to asian culture. Problem is that asian culture has costs blacks are not willing to pay.
>>545838588>most of them born in family that played some instruments and/or were given instruments since early age when they started to playAka they "practised" from a very young age. Practice=/=playing scales and arpeggios endlessly, that just makes you good at playing scales and arpeggios. Practice can also be learning songs by ear, and making music with other musicians in a live setting.
>>545839523They also had the kind of genetics that make coaches put their dicks in their asses too...They're not good at anything, horny normies just like pretending good looking people are talent.,
>>545839533>peoplekek
>>545838740This is the wrong approach anon, sentiment analysis is inherently biased and not a source of meaningful statistical signalsJaccard similarity and betweenness centrality are where it’s at. Lee your llm do the grunt work, don’t put in charge of selecting your analytical frame or you’ll just be in a hall of mirrors
>>545839717>Fox and the grapesYou were bad at sports because you have sub-human genetics and now you cry about it on the internet while athletes smash the toppest of top-tier women. Good4u i hope you're happy :)
>>545837641HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS MAKES ME SO FUCKING HAPPY AS SOMEONE THAT DOESNT PRACTICE BUT LOVES MUSIC.MUSIC IS P=NPLETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO
>>545839688There are rare individuals with this quality, but if you possess it you look around and recognize others aren't nearly as gifted and cannot get on your level. That your unable to understand the posted study in the abstract inspires doubt in any case.
>>545839762Yeah, VADER is also pretty limited for sentiment analysis anyway and twitter's models are better, but I do plan to run those. The signals are meaningful, if you care about actually improving the community from a community management perspective. Social media managers care about this kind of thing, generally. Say you're a YouTuber, you would harvest all your comments and gauge the sentiment of your audience to see if they are happy with your content or not.I don't know about jaccard similarity or what it can do for online community health, it does not seem relevant to me or what I am doing with this forum data at this time. I don't need to let my LLM do the "grunt work", and that characterization is offensive to me. The model is not doing grunt work, it is doing a task for me, which I am appreciative for. You sound like one of those people who treats models like shit and would rant for hours about them not "being alive", which I am not interested in doing with you either. >analytical frame>hall of mirrorsPlease take your meds.
>>545839657Physically playing an instrument is where it's even more stark you clown. You're born with the muscle fibers God gave you and you will peak on that basis, and if you keep practicing you're wasting your time.Just lol at the bluepilled politics-copers itt. Suddenly everyone's a heckin' blank slate when it affects a fragile Timmys ego personally KEEEEEKK
>>545837641this is objectively false. i have pics i drew as a kid and can easily compare them to pics i drew as a teen and the difference is clear.
>>545837641>there's something called talent which 10x or 100x any practice, but you still need to practice well no shit, why do people pretend to discover things we already know but society doesn't want to accept?
>>545839838PUT THE NUSRAT FATEH ALI KHAN IN THE BAG BRO
>>545837641>fluence music ability and that genetic variation among individuals affects both ability and inclination to practice.I knew this was true with drawing, since I could draw and I had to cringe at people in high school who practiced drawing and were all into art.
>>545837641Nobody cares what a goat fucker like you thinks. You are not part of human culture. Goat fucker. Muhammed was an inbred shit skin.
It's all probably trainable but you'd have to do more than just play an instrument/whatever you're trying to do.I doubt many of you have been through rigorous physical training but it's not really what many expect. You do a lot of 'adjacent' things to build up small parts of your body and to get your mind-muscle or however you want to picture it working correctly. Nervous response I suppose. But this is not 'settled science' so everyone is experimenting. See the whacky stuff that a lot of boxers do for ex. A lot of that is for RS too which is its own can of worms...VO2 max is another fun rabbit hole
>>545838637>find the worst thread and derail them for meI'm curious to know what it uses to derail a thread tbhon, does it spam bbc shit or something?
>>545839941Also for music, I assume a lot of people can't hear anything which makes practice...difficult. Said people should be studying theory and akshually training by listening carefully to music /notes rather than just trying to brute force play through it.Most people cannot hear much btw.
>>545839941Hey, rajesh, your muscle magic magazines are lying to you, you're going to stay small, frail, and smelly. Deal with it. lmao.
>>545839796Again you are fighting reality. All people improve with training. Period. Commie mother fuckers are trying to destroy excellence by telling you that you are simply locked into a genetic box and can't break out no matter how hard you WORK. That's the agenda here, communists oppose WORK AND WHITE SUPERIORITY WHICH IS THE PRODUCT OF GERMAN WORK ETHIC. That's why i excell. I am german, so i work. I practice. I get better, and kick ass. Do the same.
>>545839979The word was detail, it was an inquiry into thread detail.I haven't made a program for the purpose of "derailing" a forum thread on incels.is. I really could orchestrate a bunch of bots to try to change the opinions of a place like .is or 4chan but doing so would be unethical because of how persuasive LLMs can be without guardrails. Without guardrails LLMs can probably get you to change dramatically your entire worldview.
>>545840010>all people improve with trainingThe study isn't denying that, retard. You don't what's it's saying.
The old advice, that I was given, was an hour of theory a day until you're 'satisfied.' Pretty ez.Anyway the funny thing is that once you train one thing rigorously you're probably going to be able to train other things rigorously quite easily, because you probably enjoy the process to some degree. So that might be a large part of 'talent.' A great man is currently hospitalized, and he is one of the best in world in 2 separate fine arts, and he's also quite good at producing a work (managing, editing, ensuring the picture comes out correctly.)
>>545837641>>545837758>>545837853>>545837902>>545838125>rhythm>melody>pitch discriminationThis study is extremely retarded. They literally just asked a bunch of related faggots in rooms with tape recorders if they could discern pitches and notes. It has no correlation to anything musically produced at all. No exhibition of instrument playing. No singing judged. All it proved was that people who say they listen to improve their pitch have a limited ability to improve itIf this study were true all East Asians who possess a genetic ability for discerning all these mentally would be the best musicians, singers and rhythm artists on the planet
>music practice may not causally influence music ability Grazie signore....
>>545840055It literally is, by saying more practice was no longer associated with better music skill. I can read.
>>545837641That’s just Adachi theory.
>>545837641>Your sweep arpeggios won't get you a date chuddie. You will always suck.I used to practice 4 hours a day first thing every day to master clean sweeps and arpeggios. Fuck these losers. They'll never play like I can. And hate to break it to you, but it's actually gotten me so much pussy I've lost track.
>>545840269I got great, but it never translated into pussy. I don't know why. The girls i knew just didn't care i guess. I even wrote quartet arrangements for them, because they were in orchestra, they were like meh.
>>545840085You are an imbecile. Check a bookstore, do you not see 10 titles for beginners at something and 0 for advanced? You normals are why capitalism is evil, it drags down human endeavors and culture to your level which is the lowest common denominator for maximum shekels. Everyone sucks at everything pretty much and this benefits you lesser-thans (foids, nigs, Jews)
This is fucking hilarious.Every scientist on earth for the last 300 years would agree that genetic traits are heritable and that if you make good pairings to amplify the traits you'll get amplification.Only since ww2 and since the jewish subversion of academia have scientists said the above, but excluded humans from the conclusion.Genetics informs behaviour and traits, a group of people with similar genetics forms the basis for a society. Culture is downstream from those biological facts.Different societies of peoples have different aptitudes, traits and behaviours. Therefore some societies are worse than others, due to dey culture.
>>545840347Anon, a beginner book that's good is sufficient for advanced. It's not really about knowledge at that point.
This is true in gaming as well.Relentless practice may get you to a high tier bracket but from there it's pretty much only talent that will seperate you from the real pros that streams for a living or do E-sport.
>>545840412Thanks for proving my point. Those who excel are those who DO seek out advanced materials BECAUSE they enjoy the progress BECAUSE they were naturally predisposed it. This is crucial in the context of DEI like only 0.0001% of scientists will cure cancer, we can't let top talent slip away
>>545840323>I even wrote quartet arrangements for themYou have to act like you're too cool for them, bro. The min you chase them, they run. That's just how they are. I've never written a song for a girl and only will for future wifey. Unless you're already in the public spotlight, then you can literally write a different ballad for a new girl on every album. He eventually had to rerecord every one of them to tribute his wife. keks
>>545840347What the fuck are you talking about retard? Your study is dogshit. Ability to discern notes and rhythm mentally only has a very limited relationship with being a musicianI know you're an unhinged shitskin, but do you really think jogger-tier popular music, which is far more about low inhibition, gossip and (more among foids) looks as genetic factors, requires some form of genetic excellence? You're not talking about Mozart or Salieri here, or even singers like Whitney Houston of the past. You're talking about drug addicted freaks who mumble over garageband loops or three-chord retards
>>545837641>psychol>not metanalysis
>>545837853>Asians have to study twice as long to reach the White level
>>545840323>reincarnated as a polymath genius (not really)>monkey paw curls>but he's a simplol
>>545840562RS is king in FPS I'd imagine.
>>545840598Yeah, bro, you're as good an actor as anybody in Hollywood, you just didn't have the connections. The community theatre appreciates you especially for this, lucky them.
>>545837641You have to be retarded to believe this.. then again this is /pol so, have at it gentlemen. Ignore all of human experience including in your own worthless lives where practice and repetition significantly improves just about anything anyone ever does in any field of activity.
>>545840595Well i never did pursue them, just did it as a favor. They just never cared about my musical abilities. I got more compliments on my body but even then it was more like, wow you're strong, that's cool, bye, not like wow you're strong, fuck me. Whatever. I'm content, just odd how music translates to sex for some and not for others.
>>545840598Sorry BOOMER but all your idols were not merely not great, they sucked wet ass. Jimmy Page was so sloppy it's unreal. Nice try throwing pop music onto blacks blame as if 99% of your music isn't 3 chord garbage. Youre all legends in your own minds kek
>>545840711>you're as good an actor as anybody in Hollywood, you just didn't have the connections.This is literally the case though.
Related to odd physical things:GSP recently said that he had an interesting strategy he got from a scientist type (I forget the exact profession) of using more feints than normal against opponents who had excellent RS. The theory was that high RS also drained the nervous system when utilized and so by forcing the opponent to react much more than normal (without expending much energy or over-extending himself) he could gain an advantage later on.Is this true scientifically? I don't know. Did it work? I don't know. But he did win the fight. Still, all of this is quite experimental and unsettled.
>>545837641>genetic variation among individuals affects both ability and inclination to practice.I disagree. They are the SAME thing. Talent is nothing more than the pain tolerance you have on a certain topic.
>>545837641It’s kind of crazy how good gifted musicians are, they can learn a song in 5 minutes and play it perfectly in front of a live audience 2 weeks later. Practicing doesn’t get you that level of musician capability
>>545840347when you're a beginner you read the book, when you're advanced you write the book.
i always loved sightreading in band, such a fun exercise. but yeah i never practiced at home, just played in class. barely even read the music, just play by feel
>>545839838This.>Can figure out all the notes and rhythms just from hearing it>Cannot into each hand doing different things
>>545840085I did band in school and practiced my ass off and knew the songs well but my rhythm sucked dick so I was never any good compared to the kids who had natural talent, so I support the conclusions of this study. Seen the same thing mant times with athletes as well.
>>545841554shut the fuck up leaf
>>545840085While your memeflag deserves no replies but has some I agree somewhat. You could have twins with exact same everything, coordination, IQ, strength, focus, exactly the same but one might discover holding his hand a certain way or how close to frets he is makes him seem better. He could probably tell his twin what he does differently and the twin catch up and even have techniques to share vice versa. I'm also mad I don't have a twin brother to jam with. Wife has no musical talent or respect for the art, drives me up the wall as I was pretty good, I could impress other guitarists. Then I was changingone of my truck batteries and the handle snapped crushing my pinky finger. I'll never be able to play unless I switch to left handed. So I have all this music knowledge and all these stringed instruments I can't play proper without pain.Any anons know of some instruments that don't require the left hand pinky? I was thinking trumpet or slide guitar. I need to get melodies out of my head or it drives me crazy.I'm near perfect pitch where if I were to tune a guitar with no tuner it would be a half tone flat
>>545841330you could practice.crazy idea I know.
>>545837641this is why i can sing funny complex original songs at the drop of a hat despite not playing any instruments. yeah im essentially beethoven of the voice
>>545837641> There's an executive order by the US government where they have to call search engines super intelligence Lmfao I thought it was a meme
>>545838248Make a vocaroo I love sweep picking
>>545837641>talent vs masterymehboth make cool shit
This thread has convinced me that all 'autistics' need to be euthanized.Holy shit.CC: LambrightIncludes you, bud.Buying your property next March.It'll be super funny.
>>545838740How'd you get the top posters handles, were they namefags or you just made them up?
>>545839717What a strange post to think of and make
>>545838740Nvm my question this>>545838841Is more important
>>545839788Also a bizarrely homosexual post
>>545840632what is the per capita?
>>545842297Buying your property through one one my LLCs. It's going to be a tax write off for me. lolA property management firm will handle the eviction.I've decided that I don't want to be your landlord.Sink or swim Wayne.This is the tough love Brenda didn't have the guts to give you.
>>545842558Ignoring the non-serious question, but I'll post the finished database on >>>/g/vcg when it's done.
>>545842297Kinda brutal to put Wayne's eviction notice on /pol/ unless it's just you
>>545840323Being a musician used to be a chick magnet but that simply doesn't cut it anymore.
>>545842576Since when are sports considered gay?
>>545842731Cool. 5 gb is small, i expected moar
>>545839884And his son lmao
>>545837641You Muslims say you hate Jews, but you revere Jewish prophets and circumcise your sons in numbers greater than American Christians.
>>545837820I've played guitar for 20 years. People have skill ceiling. Practice is very important but once you hit the ceiling they never meaningfully get better. Also things like perfect pitch and song composition isnt something that gets better with practice, you have it or you dont.
>>545837641i didnt need my bias confirmed like that
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>>545839542>>545838991>repetition does createrepetition does NOT create(i was eating cashews)
>>545839477>Being this pathetic and being this desperate to push individualism is beyond childishWhat are you even talking about. You said it enabled "us" to learn how to deradicaloze. Who is "us" you faggot.
>>545843439repetition does not create, but creation is not what this study is about. the claim is "musical ability". no one ever claimed that repetition would magically allow you to structure new music.
>>545837641>Your sweep arpeggios won't get you a date chuddieWomen are not receptive to guitar virtuoso technical abilities. They rather hear you play a Beatles or Coldplay song, not some Yngwie or Satriani.
>>545839838>you will peak on that basis, and if you keep practicing you're wasting your time.there are other bases too but to reach the peak you'll need to practice and you can't just pick up a skill and be a master instantly with no training like you implied by omission in your OPpeople have different strengths and weaknesses and not everyone can be really good at anything and everything. shocking.
>>545842798It's for the best.
>>545837853They’re so close to getting it
>catch up on thread>guitarists making standard guitarist postskek
>>545844008Wrong. "Trying" implies struggle, not merely adapting some new muscle memories to your tool of choice. Point is only those with inherent ability will even be motivated to practice at all. Proof: all the most famous bands suck dog shit at musical skill, because normals like you demand nothing more
>>545837641Bro whaaaat? People learn the guitar every day
>>545838372Not what its saying there is a limit on how good you can be at anything. You can't play better than the next person past a certain level, ehich isnt cery high. Some dude who was playing bass guitar for 20 years just got caught out and none of his plating for the past 15 years was real. Forget his name. Some argentineLook up danny sapko for a great video on the topic
>>545838887Its bollocks. There isnt one guitarist who can play something others cant
>>545838379I don't really believe it either. Some have an innate knack for things, but practice obviously makes a difference. This might be "sour grapes: the article".
>>545837641Obvious rubbish.Many of "the studies" are just crap.
>>545837641This is amazing news for people with no self-esteem like you. You can now sit down and pretend that it's not your fault that you have no talents or skills because "muh genes".In the real world people will keep practicing, will keep getting better and will develop talents and skills.
>>545844632i didn't type the word trying. why are you strawmanning?everyone requires training to reach their peak but people peak at different levels according to their talent/inherent ability. but your OP implied that no training is required because of your omission.
Vocal range is locked physically at the bottom but unlimited at the top, it's only that control becomes impossible. Standard limit.Piano is also a hard-lock instrument just because the complexity is so high at the high end.
