It wasn't real capitalism
No you're not allowed to say that
>>545863661The Jew rubs his hands whilst the goyim endlessly fight over capitalism and communism. All the while the Jew continues to enslave us all totally unopposed. There is no capitalism, the modern world runs on pure 100% Judaism.
Capitalism isn't an top down ism with discrete rules. It's just trade. You are a nigger.
>>545863661Central banking was there for it all hmmmm
>>545863886Oh my sweet summer child, trade has existed long before capitalism, try reading a book.
>>545863661>no uthe left *still* can’t meme
>>545863661Capitalism and Communism both failed, time for something else
>>545863661>Practicing semantics while trying to get you to follow an authoritarian death cult that compels you to workCringe. The facts are that communism killed far more people through starvation than the Holocaust killed through malice
>>545864110you first nignog
>>545865001anal slavery?
>>545863661Communists literally can't understand cause and effect.
>>545864110No, he's right. It's literally just trade.
>>545863661Still better than communism and the death of millions
>>545863661Try communism >>>> everybody dies.End of cycle
You goybrained retards in here litigating capitalism vs communism within the material dialectic like it’s a 1920s B’nai B’rith lodge meeting. Both system suck and are horrendous. Thinking on a dialectic is the sign of a poisononed mind. Why not argue syndicalism versus distributism in a national socialist framework or something productive.
>>545865001You can see market socialism. China, Laos and Vietnam are examples of market socialism.
>>545865438The average person thinks in terms of first and second chakra topics, meaning tribal and sexual. That's why the majority of the threads here are about in group versus out group and access to fertile females.
>>545865438Cuz nobody knows what the fuck those are
>>545865438Sorry bud, we live under a corporatocracy. Real capitalism no longer exists
>>545863661you cant replace capitalism, capitalism is just the fact that entities that use resources the most effectively tends to get more resources to use and grow. its more of a natural law that is inevitable from billions of people and their varying goals and activities. you can try to shoehorn communism on top of it but the basic facts of capitalism will still govern it, and communism cant really fight against things like self interest, and well managed systems will thrive and poorly managed ones will struggle
>>545863661>memeflag>no argument whatsoever Point to an example of your ideology working. You’d be the first to do so
>>545865590Free enterprise, free markets, low cost access to markets, robust competition, and wide distribution of resources cannot occur under capitalism. Capitalism, the priority of capital accumulation over the thriving of human economic agents, invariably and necessarily leads to cartels, price fixing, enclosed markets, regulatory capture, state enforced poverty, and collapse. Happens literally every single time.
>>545865945Capitalism is the privately owned means of production, regulated by democratically empowered, federally enforced financial policies that ensures the existence of a free and open market, wherein; the producers of goods are forced to compete for the capital of the buyers of goods and not the other way around That is capitalism. Anything that deviates from that definition is automatically not capitalism. Capitalism is not a tool for the wealthy and powerful to endlessly enrich themselves. We live under a corporatocracy and are subservient to plutocrats. This country does not practice capitalism, full stop
>>545866762This is just a fortress with a draw bridge wide open asking spiritual Jews to come in and buy off these democratic institutions, as has happened again and again. The system you described doesn’t work because it has massive structural vulnerabilities that any old coterie of psychopaths can take over within a generation’s time.It require everyone to play prosocial and even if your population was entirely Nordic, all it takes is a very shrewd and severe psychopaths to undermine the system with accumulated stacks of cash money.
>>545863661>guise we have to be moral>lul noCapitalism
>>545867408>Unfortunately we, as citizens, would have to participate and that takes workAnd this is exactly why we can't have real capitalism
>>545867618You are indeed goybrained. The Jew Hamilton feuded with Jefferson over this, lost electorally, but won anyway with subterfuge. Bernays says it clearly; the Jewish technocrats intentionally educate the goy into stupidity so that they are structurally uninformed and are easily swayed politically into bins that do not advance their economic interests through the ubiquitous propaganda matrix. You yourself have fallen for some Reagan era nonsense that capitalism will save the world. Capitalism is a method of human control whereby resources that workers extract are structurally deprived from those same human economic agents through monetary policy and these resources (already earned) are promised back to them through stories of a bright future (never to come) achieved through onerous milestone loans. Capitalism is based off debt, banking, and scarcity wages from the beginning. Look up the acts of enclosure and the enclosure movement, how British aristocrats thought the arrangement of every man having an acre and a mule made them “lazy and proud” and how they wanted to make sure everyone was working every waking hour for them through wage slavery just like how the Jew Sam Altman wants all your RAM so he can use it all hours of the day.
>>545868129Id argue the actual goal was productive capacity. Enclosure allowed better breeding and agricultural science. The argument for this system was a laborer could travel wherever they wanted, find cheap lodging and tools and food. The logical goal was every man would become some highly industrious renter of the land and make a lot of money. Logically the desired result would be, the most industrious and resourceful individuals would buy their own land and manage it with maximum efficiency. But this was never actually realized. It's pretty nuanced but the idea was never actually realized. People used the markets to their own advantage, especially the state. So the system Marx called capitalism was actually cronyism backed by the state. Marx just went full bore "the entire system is a failure" instead of trying to reform it. Pretty typical of continental philosophy
>>545868129>You yourself have fallen for some Reagan era nonsense that capitalism will save the worldFirst off, capitalism is a financial system, not a political one, the government is supposed to regulate it by not letting fiscal entities become the defacto power centers. Capitalism was never meant to "save the world". What are you, a child? Stop putting words in my mouth and twisting definitions to suit your arguments >Bernays says it clearly; the Jewish technocrats intentionally educate the goy into stupidity so that they are structurally uninformed and are easily swayed politically into bins that do not advance their economic interests through the ubiquitous propaganda matrixWelp, everybody is aware of the jewish corruption now and I mean EVERYBODY. It worked for a while but that grift has completely broken down. The goy sees the truth now and it was always just a matter of time. Are you stupid? Well I guess you are just special>Capitalism is a method of human control whereby resources that workers extract are structurally deprived from those same human economic agents through monetary policy and these resources (already earned) are promised back to them through stories of a bright future (never to come) achieved through onerous milestone loans. Capitalism is based off debt, banking, and scarcity wages from the beginningAgain, capitalism is NOT a political system and must be kept to heel by the government and an involved citizenry. We are supposed to participate. We were always meant to participate and we were always meant to hold our local/federal governments accountable for letting plutocrats run amok. I don't accept laziness as a viable excuse. "We were lazy and didn't do fucking shit to enforce any of our laws or hold those that were supposed to enforce the law on our behave accountable, Oooo well, guess we should give up". Fucking pussyI'm reaching my word limit so I'm going to ignore the rest of your comment
>>545868129>Look up the acts of enclosure and the enclosure movement, how British aristocrats thought the arrangement of every man having an acre and a mule made them “lazy and proud” and how they wanted to make sure everyone was working every waking hour for them through wage slavery just like how the Jew Sam Altman wants all your RAM so he can use it all hours of the daySo because greedy plutocrats what to act like neo-monarchs, capitalism has failed? You are such a weak, helpless, whiny, little bitch. The fuck does English royalty and stupid decisions made by said pompous douchebags have anything to do with capitalism in America? Like for real what the fuck does that have to do with anything we are discussing? Why? Because Sam jerk off altman wants to be one of them and tell everybody what to do? Fuck you, if capitalism has failed, it's because of lazy, weak, spineless, men like you that have zero ability to stand up to power and tell them to fuck off
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>>545863661>It wasn't real capitalismYes it wasLifted billions out poverty
>>545863661This Leftist "practice" of taking the accusation that is for you, and redirect it to the people accusing you, deserves its own name. Something like "Leftist Reverso-unism", or "Communist no-u-ism".
>>545863661>slavery, famines, world wars, depressionnothing about this is capitalism bro. These are state level actions by governments, not an economic system. The depression is linked to central banking, which is not fucking capitalismSpeaking of "imperialist wars" china took Tibet, Xinjiang. Russia took all of Eastern Europe. North Korea invaded South Korea.Shut the fuck up
Socialists would be a lot more convincing if they actually engaged with capitalism as an ideology instead of dismissing it as the a phenomenon "when some people have an exorbitant amount of money".I don't think capitalists ever say "real capitalism has never been tried", they only deny it when a system falls outside the parameters they consider to be capitalist.Playing devil's advocate here.
I've never heard someone say capitalism hasn't been tried.
>>545872721Like socialism, which has a lot of different types (authoritarian, anarchist, syndicalist, Fabian, Marxist scientific socialism, Leninism, etc), there are different types of capitalism (mercantilist, free-market, colonialist, imperialist, etc.). Capitalists and socialists are incentivized to ignore these nuances regarding their opponents.
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>>545863661CAPITALISM IS THE BEST
>>545863661COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>545874253>read garbage No thank you
>>545863661Capitalism is inherently jewish.Aryans didn't place that much value on being rich. It happened as a side effect due to their genius, but they didn't actively chase it, which is utterly jewish and degenerate.
>>545874576>Capitalism is when rich people You are retarded
