I keep running into posts about how Goth community is a multicultural phenomenon, but I could have sworn Goth subculture came entirely from european white culture entirely. Now you have these other races trying to jump in and say it was never a white origin culture at all and that it always accepted other races.I wish these faggots would stop trying to coopt other cultural inventions as their own. White people made Gothic what it was, and the other races came in simply to adapt the fashion, and not its ideals.
Id be unable to resist asking about the crow
>>545878874Maybe the crow doesn't want you to ask about it, ever thought about that?
>>545878874same here
>>545878603Goth culture was originally white and often even racist. Yes there were some exceptions and non white people, but this is overblown now. Did you see that rapper with that "goth" girl? It is just an attack on white people and white culture.
>>545879141It makes sense as being racist cause goth has nothing to do with any other type of culture. It's literally victorian in inspiration. No asian, black, or anything else about it.
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>>545878603The scene itself was present in third world since the 80s e.g. see Caifanes in Mexico. As for the origins most of the original bands and scenes were from the UK of Catholic and Anglican background, they appropriated religious motifs and aesthetics as a form of rebellion against religious authority
>>545879195it's more like an art movement than anything. it's how Asiatics see Europe shown back to them but maybe there is some projection there
>>545879656> maybe there is some projection thereVampires have no reflection in the mirror, it's all there
>>545878603It's completely white in origin. It's a mix of Britain's post-punk music scene, "old world" Christian Europe, Victorian+Edwardian eras and funeral/mourning aesthetics hence the memento mori/horror/macabre stuff. If you go to any goth event today it's still like 99.9% white.
goth culture is purely american, it came from them emulating niggers on halloween and trying to apply it to various scenic performanceslike the painted jews pretending they're rocknroll dieties
>>545878603Goth died in the 90s. What is called Goth now is just cosplay. Goth was mostly an 80s thing in England, that's where they did it best. Very sharp wit and funny in a melancholic way. Here in the states we copied it, just not as well. English goth was basically just mascara, black clothing, weird hair and coffee and cigarettes, with a dry wit and a nihilistic outlook.
>>545879819>English goth was basically just mascara, black clothing, weird hair and coffee and cigarettes, with a dry wit and a nihilistic outlook.You described all english people.
>>545878603yeah it was super white with maybe a token latinx
>>545879588>Caifanes in MexicoMexico has people with European and mixed European backgrounds, anon.
>>545879852Ha true
>>545879656>it's more like an art movement than anything.What does that have to do with it being a white subculture?
>>545879588Goth has no continuity anywhere else because whenever it is adopted elsewhere it gets fagged up (eg. emo, scene, ebm etc.). this will happen if zoomers adopt it, they will probably end up calling it 'black-hop' or something stupid
>>545879918because it's an aesthetic, where is the sub-culture other than clothing? you mean satanists, right, full-time goths?
>>545879968Are you retarded?
>>545878603Remember when goth and punk were anti-conformity?
>>545878603kids don't remember when jews cancelled best black metal club in the world for not being gay in 2015after shutting it down all metal has been gay (jewish) and retarded (poo colored)
>>545880001is 'black metal' goth in Norway? see >>545879939I think our government is very protective of the 'goth' label because of the cultural element (Dracula, Frankenstein etc.) so it doesn't get washed away so easily.
>>545878603There has been a niche goth Latino community since at least the '90s. I don't think anyone with some sense would say it's "multicultural" other than you can find it all around the world.
>>545880018It still is, but I agree there's a lot of posers today.
>>545878603It's what happens to the tiny percentage of women who actually possess intellect. Mostly European descent but Mexico had picrel.
>>545878603The goth subculture died thanks to Columbine happening.
>>545880139Then The Craft movie rekindled it in all its glory.
>>545879918It explains how Japan's Goth went from Victorian to gooner and skipped the emo phase.
>>545880114>is 'black metal' goth in Norway?No, but do you think art and culture are not intrinsically tied together?
>>545878603Based Russia.
>>545878603The subhumans are just jelly. They have nothing so they claim they belong with whitey.
>>545880229lolita is a whole different ballgame
>>545880018no it was always just a way to sell clothing
>>545878603arent they death metal inspiredthose went out of style
>>545880229Why would you use a non white people to explain anything in this situation?
>>545880138If she was smart she wouldn't have let anyone depict her face accurately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpwqjqgqbNY
>>545879788that's only because it's so dark you can't see the niggers dressed in black
>>545880431I hate modern goth girls. They just use it to as a way to dress up "sexy" with none of the awkwardness or open sexual experiences the actual goth girls have.
>>545880474They use it to shill their onlyfans.
>>545880513Im well aware. I have a few acquaintances like that. They're just using it as a way to be more attractive with their average looks. Being goth gives you an excuse to use clown makeup to hide your average face and body.
>>545880431For me, it’s number 2, the least fattest cunt
>>545880114The Black metal look is from a different lineage, from metal and hard rock bands e.g Alice Cooper's corpse paint, Venom's satanic imagery, filtered through Norwegian autism/mental illness
>>545880474The original 90s goths were not sexual at all.
>>545880641too bad about the tattoos
>>545880431>>545880641The first one, because there's an actual donut left, all the others are either eaten or ruined.
>>545880707girls in the 90s were far more open sexually than today (in the sense that women were more open to other guys unlike today where they quickly get snatched up an online dating app)
>>545880771>open sexuallyThey were much easier to talk to, get to know, and eventually ask out on a date. There was no internet. Women that slept around were felt sorry for like they had a mental condition. There was zero coalburning, and you could say nigger in public.
>>545878603You should look up a guy on rumble/youtube called Jake Munro. It was awhile ago but I remember one of his videos went into this.
>>545881041do you remember the title? He has a lot of videos on it unfortunately
>>545880393Suhkdeep, What authority do you have on Whiteness?
>>545879811>goth culture is purely american, it came from them emulating britishers on halloween and trying to apply it to various scenic performances
>>545880431The best way to get one of those in bed is interrupt her every time she talks and ask>Arnt mimes supposed to be silent?
>>545881570It's as American as the Beatles, you started it we let it get out of control.
>>545881669that's literally Johnny Depp's entire career
>>545881570It’s your fault bong. You let Robert Smith do whatever and we took that to the logical maximum (Americanized it)
>>545879588Mexicans have always gotten a pass in the goth scene. Nothing is pure. Mexicans just get it for some reason. That's how it is. Like those japanese greasers. They hit the style, the music, the swagger, all of it. Urban mexicans can do goth. They can also vacquero it up somehow.
>>545879811You have goths in Russia though
Goth is one of the whitest subcultures. Every origin point traces back to time periods before we (mistakenly) considered browns human. I accept the Japanese having their on spin on it, but I've never heard them say they created the whole thing.
>>545882043The Japanese are humble and know when they are simply replicating another culture. Meanwhile, you got blacks trying to co opt samurai culture.
>>545879939They already adopted it, it's just a costume for sluts now
>>545878929corvids are quite intelligent and social. Once they have been domesticated to a degree they generally see people as friendly unless you go out of your way to scare or harm them. I rehabilitate artamids who are from the same family tree as ravens and crows.The crow isnt a goth, edgelord or a fashion accessory, its a wild, highly intelligent animal that is curious.
>>545880474those aren't even goth girls they are onlyfans whores who wear 'goth' as a costume to milk coomers wallets dry. there is an endless fucking stream of them these days
>>545881041think I found ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJI0cNxbzrs
>>545882801Thats the problem. I go to a goth club sometimes and I feel like it's mostly those people there, too. Not necessarily that they do onlyfans, but theyre all just lapring.
>>545881412Shut up retard.
>>545878603>Visigothic?>Roman pagan?>Catholic vampires?>Architecture?No. We wuz all the same brand of the one commercial tiktok trend and thing dark and spooky thing. Tiktok should've been left in China. When it's brought into "multiculturalism" then things just become a boring, bland, blob of tasteless sludge.
>>545880431https://www.instagram.com/queen.nephie/
>>545880431https://www.instagram.com/pinkchyuwu/
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>>545882803I think that might be the one. It could be I'm misremembering and it was him going off on a tangent on a livestream or something though.
>>545878603Looks like Invidiablue (reddit username).Is that her?
>>545879819>>545879852I have everything but the mascara, should I start?
>>545878603It was 99.9% white.It did welcome other races.It wasn't racist.There was a deep dislike for nigger behaviour, but also for posh behaviour.It was just artsy blackpilled doomers signalling their belief. Which is why we say zoomer "goth girls" are just wearing a costume. Because the latex and the make up is hot, but that wasn't the point.
>>545885066I believe in you
>>545878874First off, that's a raven.>>545878603In the '80s and '90s, Goths were racist by dissociation. There would be, at most, one black goth girl per club and she was always a well spoken Oreo at heart. Also skinny, can't be fat and be Goth.
>>545880707The late 90s were very sexual, but they had somewhat different ways of interaction. I saw plenty of players try to score a freaky goth girl and fail miserably because they didn't get the social rules.>>545884315Costume.>>545884425Costume.>>545884581Lol, just make up.Would bang all of them, but don't consider any of them goth.
>>545886083>can't be fat and be GothYes, except that reddit has to ruin fucking everything
>>545878603There is tons of black goths, you just can’t see them cause they never smile….
>>545878603based birb fren
>>545885423>It wasn't racist.it was racist, it was also absurdly anti-semitic and the first modern sub culture to be so.if you didn't live it you wouldn't know.
Goth was originally uglyThis nigga invented ithttps://youtu.be/UmFFTkjs-O0?is=BWwc5kSlcieRkuHiGood example of how incel became a word for a culture instead of loser like it meant originally, same with goth
