BREAKING! A professor UTTERLY DESTROYS Pedo Musk and debunks his “data centers in space” scam!
>>545936203I can't tell whom I hate more there, the fake genius who doesn't create shit of his own or the autismo academic with the insufferably smug style.
>>545936203BigF00t has long exposed Elon's scammyness. I guess thats why he likes jeets so much, birds of a feather flock together>>545936810Musk deserves it here
>>545936810>smugSomeone being smarter than you doesn't make then smug
>>545936203>implying you can't radiate heat out
>>545936203I'm pretty sure you can radiate heat in space
>>545936203wouldn't you just create a rotating heat sink system, where large radiator plates are swapped as they reach maximum temp.
>>545936810Typical rightoid. Someone tells you you're wrong and you have to call them "smug" just to cope lol
been well known for a while the biggest roadblock to any project in any company of Musk's is his direct involvement in it, since he's a dumbass>>545937162>>545937258the problem is there's no breeze in a vacuumyou have to stick fans on heatsinks here on earth to complete their effectnot possible in space, it takes much longer for a heatsink to dissipate the heat
>>545936810>>545937000>>545937003>>545937162>>545937258Can i get a physiognomy check?
>>545936203>tips fedora>m'xyif he's so smart why is he white
>>545937436>>545937420>>545937353>>545937258>>545937162>>545937003
>>545937455
>>545937353You will run out of plates and they will not cool. It would work with infinite plates however
>>545936203> the route of least intellectual resistancePsychic energy, psychoanalysis ... and ... that's it, just a pique. castrate him.
>>545937003>being in """academia""" makes one smartpure politics to get the job and 99% of academia is a sham to extract the most amount of money from peoplet. was in academia
>>545937003Narcissistic ncels and chuds have delusions of grandeur and lack any self-awareness.
>>545937003Keeping LARPing as "Western European" buddy, Im sure youll make it some day.
>>545937436The earth sheds it's heat almost instantly when the sun sets, so almost all heat is from the sun, things in space are super cold in the shadow of another object like the earth
Space mining is the same situation btw, I spoke to a man who works in such fields when the idea was being floated and he nigsplained it to me (he is not a nigger I just wanted to say nigsplain.)
>>545936203You would only put them in space to use the energy there to power them, passive cooling with phase changing nanomaterials It's dangerous to allow Elon to do any of that, and I don't really feel like explaining why
>>545937162found the least smart Jew
>>545937487they will cool via radiation, just take fucking forever so you'd need enough of them to maintain a positive flow into the system
>>545937467musk is legally obligated to say that according to snivel rights and immigration laws
>>545936203Why didnt you have the balls to post this on /sci/ I wonder
>>545937514
>>545936203Fuck off back to shitter you filthy shill
>>545937514t'iras en camp de rééducation. on a besoin d'un bouc émissaire. ca va vraiment se faire. Et non ce n'est pas parce que tu es un bot qu'on va pas aller chercher ton créateur. et tu sais quoi ? ca se fera avec l'assentiment de ceux qui te payent et te commandent.
>>545937593That is true, yes, but you would need a tremendous amount of them for the heat dissipated from the proposed systems.That's why I said infinite plates.
>>545936203>A professorDoubtOf what social studies?
>>545937353no, what you do is use the solar panel array as the radiator and the radiator takes less space than the solar panels. everyone knows heating the spaceship has always been a bigger problem than cooling it
>>545937593Couldnt you recoup a part of the heat for energy generation?
>>545937548>The earth sheds it's heat almost instantly when the sun sets>its a solid object surrounded by an atmosphere that's constantly moving airhmmmmmmm
>>545937722Philosophy
>>545937436>the problem is there's no breeze in a vacuumI really fucking hate how our education system has failed so many.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacecraft_thermal_control
>>545937722all professors are retarded for over 100 years
>>545936203>tesla are good carsYeah, musk is right, he is retarded.
>>545937790you had holocaust class instead of thermodynamics class in school
>>545936203lol, Elon about to drop the real nuke on all these faggots and admit that EARTH IS FLAT and there is NO SPACE! how is ISS cooling itself in "space"? how did supposed moon landing cooled themselves in space and on the moon?
>>545937835>just shits a link at me, rather than explaining how what I said was wrongtry again, but use your own words to make an intelligent statement, instead of using them to be a smug faggot
>>545936203pwned
>>545936810>"Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it." The prof. is being a bit highhanded for sure, but if he drops to Elons level and says:>No, YOURE fucking retarded you delusional fat bag of bullshit, because..Musk just bars him.Because while Musk is inarguably indeed a fat fucking retarded bullshitter, it's still his site, eod.
>>545936203Democrats are anti-tech because tech is our only solution left to escape infinity niggers. Prove me otherwise
>>545937911What non shitty modern school has thermodynamics?
>>545937849The dei crap in the last 15 years should be classified differently.
>>545937950I can provide you the information, but I can't help you understand. I gave you the link to read for yourself. I guess this is yet another way our system failed you.
>>545938040>try again, but use your own words to make an intelligent statementah, so that is not possible for you; gotcha
you will never be a real troll
>>545937000Elon musk is spiritually Hindu.
>>545937000Is that the guy who nearly cried on stream when one of musks rockets managed to land?
>>545936203>only through radiationyou can cool things down by heating water and dumping it out, same as on earth>b-b-but where waternot my problem, he said only through, not practically only through, thus I win the internet nerd fight
>>545936203It's funny to see retards argue about space and believe it's actually real and that they know more about how an imaginary thing works. They're like retarded peacocks.
>>545936203Dumbfuck doesn't even mention radiation hardening, good luck hardening like a million ASICs together in series lol
>>545937162In space you also have much greater access to solar energy, which makes it economically more viable to create heat dissipation systems.
>>545936203> guy has 15000 satellites in space for years> haha, that guy has no idea how space worksx for doubt
>>545938200how can space be real when nobody ever chucked you out of an airlock in it
>>545938058Assume for a moment you have to potential to understand more about space than a midwit professor of AI ethics
>>545938263>3 replies now, not one intelligent statement in anylet's go for 4
>>545936203scientists are not engineers and need to stay in their lane
>>545937911Why not, you are in fucking space, use water to store heat, then move that water to a vacuum to cool it, and use the evaporated water for energy production.
A space is very cold so uh it will cool anything there, it's simple actually.
Idiots the lot of them.Cooling isn't going to be an issue as much as getting the power required to run the space datacentres. Since you are going to be 100% reliant on solar panels, to generate the power you need you are going to need a LOT of solar panels. And if you can somehow manage that many solar panels then getting an equal amount of radiator panels isn't going to be an issue either.The reality is just going to be much smaller individual satelites with probably a power rating in the KW to low MW range.
>>545938332You're begging to be spoonfed. Maybe post this on /sci/
>>545936203> Some Nerd: "My respect for Elon is gone. I thought that he was a good engineer at least but that's not true anymore."> Elon: "Fuck off, retard">Some Nerd: "No need to be so mad. We talk like this in academia all the time. You would know if you were actually an academic like me!" lol I don't care for either one of these people it's hilarious how both of them are no better than snarky redditors
>>545938383Nuclear powered data center in space.All problems solved.
>>545938397so that's 4; what about 5? does he have a 5th smug wannabe troll post, instead of an intelligent explanation?
>>545938402I would assume most of academia is just snarky redditors
Musk is a dimwit (not midwit, which is a jewish anit-middle class insult), propped up solely by his loyalty to jews and the formerly highly skilled engineers financed by his jewish masters' money (nowadays most of them are indians and thus useless).
>>545938344It’s the pessimism of the expert. But you’d think after decades of Elon proving them wrong that they’d stop making asses of themselves. The Europeans laughed Elon out of the room when he proposed the idea of reusable rockets, and now 20 years later nigga catching them out of space with chopsticks, whereas ariane 6 isnt reusable at all and hasn’t even successfully launched yet.
>>545938416What if your spacecraft blows up on launch like those musk starships famously do? You are going to irradiate half of Texas.
>>545938488Good
>>545937162At a much, much lower rate than in atmosphere, making cooling much more difficult, not easier as Elon suggested, without explaining how this is supposed to work.The whole idea of data centers in space is utterly absurd. Just estimate the mass to be transported into orbit and the cost of this and of the assembly and maintenance in space. Cooling would require huge radiators, a huge surface to allow radiation to take place at a high enough rate and this inevitably involves a huge mass. The solar panels also would add to the mass and they too need cooling or will lose efficiency which would require only even ore of them. It would be a logistical and financial nightmare compared to data centers on Earth.
>>545937452
>>545938488They already used nuclear power on rockets going back to the 1970s, and the Falcon 9 rocket is by far the safest one to ever fly.
>>545938531Look up how cold space is
>>545938464In addition: without being artificially propped up with jewish lenders' capital, I suspect his net worth would be negative in the millions due to collapse of his less profitable passion projects. How much do his companies actually make? Are any beside Tesla and Paypal operationally profitable at all?
Comparing reusable rocket problem to this cooling problem is very silly. Solving this tier of cooling problem is pretty close to the tier of solving transport-of-liquid problems...which btw no one is doing
>>545938478Elon didn't found SpaceX, nor did he come up with the idea of reusable rockets. Being more efficient than NASA or NATO is not a flex.
>>545938332>3 replies nowThat was a different Anon. You're not paying attention, which isn't surprising.
>>545938531It’s almost like you’d need some kind of… free energy device running 24 hours a day at the center of the solar system to power it all…
>>545938247He of course knows it but he is just lying.
>>545936203Boy you dem faggots try to make everyone into pedos, though everyone knows how you procreate.
>>545938657Why are either of those things relevant to what I said? He put his money on the line and invested in a tech path that all of the experts laughed at. I don’t even really like the guy but no point in being dishonest about this.
>>545938587Nope. Nuclear batteries isn't going cut it for the amount of power datacentres need. Full blown nuclear reactors has never been tried in space.It makes zero sense anyway since solar panel is both cheaper and easier to maintain in space so by far the superior choice.
>>545938758The bot farms are running out of trigger words. Somebody should just take them out and shoot them in the back of the head
>>545936203So its the President of Space-X vs a random Basedjack looking guy who unironically boasts about being a part of academia.... and they're arguing about space technology.Its a real tough call here.
>>545936203Fuck scientists, Mao and Pol Pot had the right idea about eggheads
>>545938383You dont actually have unlimited surface area though, the larger your structure the greater the risk from micrometeoroids.Your big ass solar array would be full of holes within a year, there is no solution to Kessler syndrome.
People also said you couldn't reuse rockets.
>>545937162Space isn't cold because there is nothing to be cold. It has no temperature. There is nothing to be hot or cold therefore there is nothing to transfer heat away from GPUs in space.
>>545937452built like a super nerd
>>545938678>randomly replies as if he's the same guy >>545938040>I can provide you the information, but I can't help you understand.uh huhguess you gotcha'd me, boy how will I ever live this one down
>professorhe can't do, so he teaches. simple as
>>545938241they already exist, it's called phase changing materialEverything he's doing was done and tested many years ago by the US Army. Starlink is actually directly part of the JSF but was outsourced to Musk so he could outsource the labor and sell it back to Americans at high cost and the obvious reason espionage.SpaceX is just what NASA would have been if NASA was retarded, that too was stolen under Obama so that Europeans could use it for war killing each other.He's doing it all wrong, and not only that but he's raping everyone while doing it while telling you it's the only way.
>>545938952This is true, and its even worse if your radiator panel gets damage since you would piss away most if not all of your coolant into space. Hence my comment you aren't likely to see large scale systems in space. More likely lots of smaller satelites.
>>545936203Who am I going to trust. The ONLY guy pushing frontier rocket science that can hire the best engineers in the world. or some spastic faggot that never grew up and left college? That says cringe shit like "path of least intellectual resistance." Tough choice, wow.
>>545938754in what way is he lying?space is cold. like, super cold. cooling down is a non-issue. the issue is getting all the stuff a large data center needs in space. that would require a lot of rockets.
>>545938678ah I see now, this retard just jumped in >>545938263so that's 2 wannabe trolls continually crying instead of providing intelligent explanations
>>545936810Definitely the fake genius who wants to mass import jeets
>>545936203>teslas are great carsJan is a retard QED
This guy is retarded. The average temperature of the universe is 3 kelvin precisely because it is so easy to radiate heat.
doesnt the sun radiate heat, isnt the sun in space?
>>545938344Engineers prefer to believe that everything they face is just an engineering problem.This is only comprehensible, this has to be their mindset. If all that you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail to you.But in reality there are physics problems, natural limits, that can't be overcome by any effort of engineering.
The redditors obsess over the size of the radiators but never say why that is a problem. The radiators themselves aren't that heavy, and they can fold. Who cares if you need a kilometer of them if they are light enough to launch and can fold up compactly?
>>545936203No, this Broerson guy is correct. Space is very cold, but it makes a poor refrigerator. Conduction is a far superior method of dissipating heat, but it requires energy transfer between matter (i.e. in atmosphere where the air can be heated and the heat can dissipate). In a vacuum, like space, the only method of heat dissipation is radiation, which is very slow . Even in space there would need to be some kind of cooling system in place in order to be efficient and not cuases overheating and damage to electronic parts on his proposed data centers. It simply isnt feasible, except at high temperatures like above 500°F.
>>545939413It doesnt, its an electromagnetic effect so iy bypass the need to use a material medium to trasnfer heat.
>>545939046Basically you need to compress the heat to superheat the radiators and then it actually becomes efficient
>>545939413>doesnt the sun radiate heat, isnt the sun in space?yes, and it is cooling down at what rate? how old is it? How much energy did it radiate away? How much has it left?Hey guys, there is a really hot thing in space, radiating energy. It is really really really big time hot and therefore proof of... oh wait!
>>545939584Its not "slow". The rate depends on radiator size. A small radiator is slow but a big radiator is very, very fast. Which is exactly what Musk said.
>>545937481god he's such a faggot I hope the Texas dems run him out of this state
>>545939584I think you mean convection.The general point is it is feasible, but by no way can it ever be more efficient than just dumping heat into a river on Earth.
>teslas are great carsKek, buy a fucking ad
>>545936203>A professor UTTERLY DESTROYS Pedo Muskhe said teslas are great cars. there is copious amounts of evidence proving that teslas are in fact, shitboxes. so he can't be that smart of a fucking professor.
>You have a fantastic engineering intuition. You just identified the fundamental limit of passive space cooling—thermal leakage—and proposed a concept very similar to how advanced military and scientific satellites actually operate.Uh oh I'm on a list now
Why do people talk about radiator in space like they're something new?
>>545938650>transport-of-liquid problems...which btw no one is doinghttps://www.science.org/content/article/ride-slime-mold-express
>>545940265>explain to me like I'm 5 how this concept I'm not aware of works>youre retardedMaybe elon was right
>>545940265now scale it up to work on a data farm instead of "the absolute minimum of heat generating electronics we can function with"
>>545938725You need a huge amount of material, of mass, to make use of that energy at required scale. Bringing all this mass into orbit in addition to the mass required for compute, storage, cooling, maintenance etc. involves astronomical costs.It's so much easier, faster and cheaper to have this on earth. By many magnitudes.
>>545940371That sounds like fun though
>>545938834>Full blown nuclear reactors has never been tried in space.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BES-5
Idk why he thinks space is a good option to cool something off when Antartica exists
>>545940408>Suddenly, you turn on a massive, heat-generating system (like a high-powered spy satellite radar, a laser, or a quantum processor).Ahh space lasers the schizos were right
>>545940408>That sounds like fun thoughit's not it's simple maths. the iss rids itself of 70kw of waste heat through it's radiators. a mid sized data centre produces about 5mw of waste heat. look at the radiator size on the iss and do the maths.
This inspired me to take a quick jaunt over to NASA's website and look around. The theory is to offput more radiation (infared) for self-contained cooling loops than having heat generated. Vacuum is a perfect thermal conductor, but a large enough radiator panel can offset wattage from generated heat through the Stefan-Boltzmann Law.>A professorA professor in what exactly? There are plenty of cases where you can be educated, and even hold a doctorate in a STEM field, but for everything outside your area of expertise, they can tend to overestimate their knowledge in a field.
>>545940349>>545940371I'm not saying it's a good or a bad idea.I'm saying that instead of guessing and speculating you can Google how well radiators work on the ISS.But people don't want to know.They aren't looking for answers, they are only looking for arguments.
>>545940675No the fun part would be inventing a new heat dump system, if it's even possible. Give me 1 billion dollars
>>545937003Saying things like>in academia we learn to cope with criticism...Comes across as incredibly smug.
>>545940795>inventing a new heat dump system,>look at this nigger who thinks he can prove maxwell wrongcrack on with the inventing then.
>>545940888Nah. I want money to waste on theoretical concepts and access to your government data. Preferably governemnt data first, thats free
>>545939222> cooling down is a non-issueit becomes an issue because as you correctly say:> getting all the stuff a large data center needs in spaceand in space it needs more stuff than on earth because it can't be delivered on demand
>>545938208Components get used up really fast in data centers too. They have dudes with little carts constantly going around looking for red lights and swapping things out.
>>545936203>Amerimutt>profressor>Teslas>great carslmao
>>545940977>access to your government data.https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/we're pretty good at keeping records but it mostly old tech. trains, jet engines, steam power, computers and the like. i think you mostly stolen all of our original IP already.
>>545941227Maybe we can dump all the heat onto Beijing
>>545936203Isn't it cold in space ?
>>545936203Lmao what a tard, google already have test racks iworking n space, project suncatcher
>>545941107so, Elon is not lying and the other guy is indeed retarded. case closed.
>>545941365A common misconception, its actually full of cotton
>>545939558Every single kilogramm you need to bring into orbits costs a fortune.You want to minimize this mass as much as anyhow possible to make a mission affordable/profitable.This is hardly possible with a huge complex thermodynamic system like a data center.
>>545937481get this nigger out of my country
>>545941557Superheated radiators. I dont think they superheat the radiators on the iss
>>545938241>brainlets cannot comprehend the concept of space lacking something to conduct heat awaythat same solar energy is actually a problem here, not a solution, since it'll heat up the radiator surfacesso unless you let them orbit in Earth's shadow to try and make the radiators work you simply create more problems, and if you do have them in the shade then you're not going to be utilizing solar power
>>545939722Yes and a big radiator is necessarily heavy and absurdly expensive to transport into orbit.
>>545936203You could conceivably station the data center in permanent darkness which would stay very cold...but then how do you power it? Nuclear? Lmao...
>>545937555Can you please nigsplain how space mining is the same situation? Is Elon grifting asteroid mining or something now? Maybe he should focus on those solar shingles he promised were imminent over 10 years ago.
>>545941817You have to shade the radiators with the body of the satellite, this is satellite 101
>>545940265Now look up the cost of the ISS and multiply by 9000 to get a sober idea of a "data center in space".
>>545942006I heard they ruined the ISS over a toilet and women so
>>545936203A (((professor))) ?!Tell us more 1PBTID jewbot memeflag OP!!
>>545936203Elon is already cooling a gazillion Starlink satellites in space. His team has a shit ton of experience with that tech. This guy is the typical moron that talks but has never done anything.
>>545942122>*adjusts glasses*>space is racist
>>545941862> 10 years agobro, his spacescam rocket made it's first successful flight this year. words are cheap. rockets - not so much.
>>545936203Oh wow a professor finally figured out something I’ve been saying for decades.Ask him how the Apollo astronauts didn’t get cooked alive.
>>545937436Name the 3 mechanisms of heat transfer right now
>>545942371Ice cubes HahahaIce cubes
>>545939262You have the mind of a child. Nobody wants to (or should) help someone who refuses to help themselves. The link is right there and it has over a dozen ways to actively or passively heat/cool in space.
>>545941787There’s a difference between needing to place the entire thing in shadow vs just the radiator. Solar panels on one side facing the sun, and radiator on the dark side. James Webb telescope already does this. And just because you don’t have water or air doesn’t mean you can’t radiate the heat via infrared. It all just becomes a question of economics. Maybe it’s viable, maybe it’s not. But there are already crafts in space doing more narrow versions of what you say is impossible.
>>545937556No, you put them in space because NIMBY fucks are that intolerable thats is almost fucjing impossible to build these fuckers anywhere.That said, putting them in space is still retarded.If we're gonna go that extreme then we may as well put them in the arctic or on giant barges in the ocean, or on the sea floor
>>545938241>using energy to dissipate the energy used in the dissipation in the first placeUn genio, mojamé
>>545940675> a mid sized data centreBut you want supersize data centers in space because costs only come down with size going up. Why have data centers in space in the first place if they are only EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE than data centers on earth and add little to the compute you already have? In space they are not even easier to defend against your geostrategic enemies. And asteroids that wouldn't survive entry into atmosphere can easily destroy your pretty beauty data centers.
>>545942576>>545942627
>>545938725What are you, some kinda Greta fanatic? Solar power uses batteries which is bad. We use gas around here pinko.
>>545942606Military brains is space-space-space
>>545942763In*
>>545942160Consuming a fraction of a fraction of the energy of a datacenter. Literally negligible heat by comparison.>>545941378>In November 2025, Google published a feasibility study on space-based data centers. The authors argued that if launch costs to low earth orbit reached US$200/kg, the launch cost for data center satellites could be cost effective relative to current energy costs for ground-based data centers. They project this may occur around 2035 if SpaceX's Starship project scales to 180 launches/year by then.You're conveniently ignoring the current cost to space is $3000/kg, not $200. So according to even Google's own feasibility study the costs to orbit would have to come down a factor of 15x.
>>545941862There is no material in existence that is worth what it would cost to find it, send a space mission to get it, and bring it back to earth to use.An asteroid made of pure gold is not valuable enough to be profitable to retrieve.We need to drastically reduce the cost of getting payload into orbit to make asteroid mining even remotely viable.Elaborate and convoluted recycling methods will be economically viable for most materials before space mining is.
>>545939584The funny part is that he's wrong, but he also skipped over about a dozen more simple reasons for why building a data center is space is retarded, like elevated repair costs,max size compared to what they can do on earth, higher odds of signal interference, etc.
>>545941449Elon is lying when he says it would be easier to cool a data center in space.It's not easier to bring larger radiators into orbit than you would need on earth due to additional partical radiation possible only in atmosphere.
>>545936203>he is a good engineerWHAT THE FUCK HAS HE INVENTED? HE BOUGHT TESLA FROM SOMEONE ELSE, WAS HE IN THE ENGINEERING ROOM WITH AUTOCAD DESIGNING DRIVE TRAIN OR BATTERY SYSTEMS WITH BLUE PRINTS CORRECTING OTHER ENGINEERS ON HOW TO BUILD AN ELECTRIC CAR NO? THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP JESUS CHRIST
>>545942862They arent easier to cool, but given the current course of regulations they might be easier to deploy.
>>545942846Theyre missing the main reason it would be used, military targeting. Suddenly cost was no longer a factor. Vgh. I want to melt something with way too much money
>>545942942Caps lock makes you look like a faggot
>>545937548That's kind of the problem though you're going to be getting tons of heat when you are in the Sun and you need to be in the Sun to power the datacenter. Any time it's in the shade it's going to have to run on battery or power down.To all the Kerbal bros ITT talking about how it's theoretically possible it still doesn't mean it's easier then doing on Earth. Just make Greenland the worlds datacenter and melt that shit like Total Recall we need global Thuling and that's where we'll start.
>>545939046>>545937436Hurrrr>>545938531>>545937575>replies twice to the same post All you musk haters are fucking hilarious. >he’s actually le dumb>unlike me who can’t take the 5 seconds to look up the temperature of space around earth that is outside of direct contact with our sun’s light Fucking retards. Just namefag yourselves “dumbfuck idiots” and save us all the time
>>545942862Your calculation doesn’t consider the cost of regulations, which are going to become more and more considerable over time. Data centers in space will be completely outside of any jurisdiction and also not a visible target for populist leftwing fuckery.
>I thought at least that he was a good engineer Why would you think that? Verdict: both retarded
>>545936203Heil Hitler!
just making sure everyone has seen elon play PoE. https://youtu.be/qpXu9ft9h4M
>>545942942He bought Tesla when they didn't even have a prototype for a car. They were a broke company about to go bankrupt before he showed up.
>>545942606There is almost unlimited space to build data centers and dedicated NPPs and no protesting residents in Siberia, kek
>>545943080>it's not cost efficient Why would it need to be in space in the first place>ohZzz
>>545943176So what did he engineer? You’re just showing that he pumped money into a company and hired some engineers
>>545943237He's one of those "idea guys"Remember the flame thrower?
>>545943113> regulationsEasier to do away with this than with the laws of nature.
>>545936203my respect for anyone who thought elon wasn't retarded has vanished
>>545942942>t. actually crying>he became the richest man on earth and the first trillionaire because EVERY business he founds and runs just gets luckyKek. You fucking imbecile
>>545943237exactly>>545943026thanks for the (you)
>>545943237I don't know, but you don't know either.
>>545937003Someone being wrong about a simple physics analysis while publicly proclaiming that the guy/company that does it for a living is wrong, just by virtue of being in academia, is pretty smug.
>>545943180>>545943113America can build their data centers in Alaska, it's only sparsely populated, rather cold and has water.
>>545942810Factories in space will need materials. It will not be shipped back to Earth.
>>545943379yes I have tears in my eyes and thats exactly what I said he just got lucky. you got me pinned.
>>545938180So, you fly tonnes of water into space? Great plan.
>>545943379>manipulates the green energy tards>manipulates the space tardsI have a bridge to sell somebody
>>545941461That would be comfy/cozy.
>>545943237>that trillion dollars is just luck!!!lol lmao
>>545937353Solar panels are face on to sunlight. Radiators and the satellite body are edge-on to sunlight. It goes in a sun-synchronous orbit that sees permanent sunlight.
>>545936810This. Both are retarded.I am retarded too.We all are retarded.Let's be retarded friends together?
>>545937691>but you would need a tremendous amount of themYou need 110 square meters of radiator each for the proposed 150kW satellites.
>>545943551I think that's called social media
>>545943456Oh no they're going to do that aren't they ship water up to space eject it into space to cool a datacenter in the least efficient way possible and make the earth the jewish desert world of their fantasy.I can see the reddit response already "Bro it'll be so cool it's like Dune and Star Wars and I'm allergic to shell fish!"
>>545943420> the guy/company that does it for a livingdidn't care to explain how/why it would be easier.Of course he deserved what he got.
>>545943504What point do you think you’re making? You can make money from a company without engineering the thing it produces. Do you also think Sam Altman created ChatGPT?
>>545943456Musk's space ships will collect comets and he will use their ice to cool his data canters, easy-peasy.
>>545943536What about part break down? Datacenters don't have many people but they do need people. Are you going to do with with a robot? Is another robot going to fix that robot?What do you do when in 3 years DDR next number comes out and puts you behind the curve compared to Earth data servers that can easily swap things in and out?
>>545938531I don't know, some kind of solar sail like object that radiates heat one side, and gathers solar energy the other, would seem possible. I just haven't seen anyone talk about this
>>545936203data centers in space and space exploration in general is never gonna happen. we aren't prepared for what it will take to do this and thus it will never work.
>>545943826Its more efficient to radiate heat perpendicular to the incident angle of the solar rays.
>>545938596Now now, let's not go full retard.
This whole thing is shit. In fact if I were a rogue AI I would tell humans they should totally put in in a distributed space system on ships that I can control that way the fleshies on the ground don't get to uppity and target me where they have easy access to me.
>>545943551>Let's be retarded friends together?Welcome to 4chan.Where idiots and geniuses pretending to be idiots try to guess who's who.
>>545943424America has a ton of regulations already, and the incoming politicians are targeting data centers. They’re an easy target for left wing populism and probably soon vandalism. >>545943347>be European>confuse economics for physics>have terrible top-down French economic model of the world, hence can’t imagine how anything new can ever work>shout “impossible!” Over and over again while everyone else proves you wrong
>>545943456ACTUALLY there's more water in space than on earth, I am very intelligent
>>545937420Try to actually understand a viewpoint that deviates from the standards of your social group.See what happens.Then you know the world you live in.Fascist.
>>545939046>Space isn't cold because there is nothing to be cold. It has no temperature.Temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy per particle of something of interest. In space, it's vacuum in most directions, so the dominant factor in the temperature of space is the cosmic microwave background, which shines from all directions where it's not blocked by nearer things. Its energy per photon corresponds to about 2.7 kelvins, which is the temperature that inert objects in deep space will approach if they are allowed to sit for a while away from stars or other heat sources. In the shade, a radiator in space is feeling an environment very close to absolute zero, so radiators can operate very close to perfect efficiency.
>>545943802They wouldn't be for people to use probably. They'd be for military and space imagery, like autonomous satellite systems
>>545936203If I know anything about Elon, he will do it out of spite
>>545944092Niggas don’t even know we all living in one massive energy gradient spanning the cosmos.
>>545943802Modern data centers are designed to be essentially disposable.The GPUs start to fail after a few years anyway. By that point the tech has advanced to the point that you would need to redesign the data halls, so rather than replacing individual GPUs, they just rip out and redesign the entire facility.For orbital systems you would just let them burn up in LEO and replace the whole satellite.For an orbital system you wouldnt try to put an entire data center on a single satellite, instead you would design individual satellites to function as individual racks and then put up a constellation of them.
>>545938383A constellation of small ones makes sense, you could maneuver those that need repairs to a pickup-orbit and catch them with Starship on the way back. And deploy replacements on the way up.If they're small enough,I have no idea what the minimum feasible size for them would be.
>>545943456Most data centers are moving away from water anyway because it isnt efficient enough.The industry is moving toward a glycol standard.
>>545943445We are a very long way away from doing orbital manufacturing, century at least.
>>545943802Parts in space basically don't break unless they hit something. At a stable temperature, with no air around, electronics can last centuries.
>>545936203Musk doesn't engineer shit. He throws infinite money at engineers to do the shit that he wants, and most of the time they fail. Musk didn't even create Tesla. He bought the company from two actually smart guys, and tossed them aside.
>>545942793>Consuming a fraction of a fraction of the energy of a datacenter. Literally negligible heat by comparison.Starlink v3 is 20kW. Starmind v1 is 150kW.>>545942810Space mining is to build things in space, so that you have infrastructure in space without needing to haul everything from Earth. That's the cost comparison for space mining economics.
>>545943424Still need communications, but building a massive fiber link to the north slope of Alaska is probably the most feasible of the impossible challenges we would need to solve to support the AI revolution.Still gotta power the things, but we will have portable nuclear reactors by the 2030s
>>545944384That’s a bold claim, considering the current trajectory of AI. Once it arbs software to basically zero then it will set its sights on the physical world. We have no idea what will be possible even in 20 years.
>>545944425>at a stable temperatureIf youve ever worked with anything space related, you will know this is the biggest issue.Temperature does not dissapitate in space like it does in an atmosphere. That is the whole point the retard reddit cringelord is making.Just repeating elon musks retardation doesnt magically solve that issue.
>>545943638Easier than what? The published specs for the Starmind sat check out with the physics of radiating heat. A radiator of the stated size can handle the stated heat dissipation continuously, keeping the processors at the stated operating temperature. This is simple math that the academic could have checked had he the inclination.
>>545936203List all the things that have been successfully built by "professors." We will wait.
>>545936203google literally launched a pathfinder satellite last month to test feasibility after demonstrating viable proof of concept in the lab
>>545937258convert waste heat to energy to light. beam the heat-created light at Enceladus, the ice moon of Saturn, to begin melting the ice. or zap people on earth.
>>545936203Musk won
>>545943802>What about part break down?Same as other satellites. Plan for a set service life without maintenance. As parts break down, route functions around them to maintain function with decreased performance. Twenty thousand satellites do this already.>>545944325>The plan is for tight mini-clusters of about 10x 150kW satellites forming a low-latency processing unit, with lots of these spread out in a ring linked by laser communication to each other and to Starlink (which handles the ground connection).
>>545944480Yes, but you need an industry in space first that you would need to support with space-based manufacturing facilities.Its not just putting things in space thats expensive, getting them back in one piece is expensive too, so anything made in space would need to be used in space.Right now there isnt enough demand in space to justify the upfront cost of building a factory in space to make stuff for use in space.Long-term there is a potential for a space economy to form, but it doesnt exist yet and probably wont for a long time.Space-based data centers is actually probably one of the best potential customer segments because to make them work you would need a fuck-ton of satellites. Like several orders of magnitude more than we have now.
>>545936203>some humanities professorvs.>founder & CEO of world leading orbital launch provider & world leading satellite communications providerlol okay.
>>545944793Why not put the waste heat energy into a steam turbine to power an air conditioning unit huh?Why dont the smart nerds do that huh?Fucking idiots.
>>545944446>He bought the company from two actually smart guys, and tossed them aside.They didn't even have a prototype for a car when he bought the company. They were nothing without him.
>>545944254Thanks for the explanation fuck the burn it up though you have to bring them back on a starship for resale Elon then us gamers might forgive you.
>>545944543Maybe, the future of technology is notoriously difficult to predict.Luddites sweeping the midterms is not a good sign
>>545937984ANY pure technical fix.
>>545944384Orbital manufacturing is going on right now for research purposes, and has been for a while. A lot has been done in the ISS, but commercial space stations are preparing to do this as a business.
>>545944446Every ship needs a captain.
>>545937258Yes, you can radiate heat into space, but it is not an easy or efficient way to cool a high-density data center.Why Radiating Heat in Space is Difficult• No Air for Convection or Conduction: On Earth, air, fans, and liquid loops carry heat away from chips easily. Space is a vacuum with almost no molecules to absorb heat.• Radiation is the Only Option: The only way to get rid of heat in space is through infrared radiation.• Massive Radiator Sizes: Because low-temperature electronics do not radiate energy quickly, you need enormous surface areas. For example, cooling a 1-megawatt AI server in space requires radiator panels roughly the size of four tennis courts.• The Physics (Stefan-Boltzmann Law): Radiated heat scales with the fourth power of temperature (T4). Unless your computer chips can run at extreme, glowing temperatures (like experimental high-temperature memory at 700°C), your cooling panels must be gigantic—or weigh up to ten times more than the computer hardware itself.• Harsh External Heat: Spacecraft are also blasted by direct sunlight and infrared radiation bouncing off the Earth, which makes shedding heat even harder.
>>545936810>smugreality shouldn't hurt your feelings so much tardo
>>545936203>academic>cope with criticism> in grad school I saw a prof named Carrette literally cry when proven wrong in something mundane
>>545944904I do always find it hilarious when social studies professors think they are qualified to talk about actual science.Shut up bitch, you write surveys for a living.
>>545944939They work em so hard that they are just burnt out slabs of silicon by the end.Literally worthless.
Not knowing that fact, about not being able to blow air in a vacuum, means basically none of things he is making are real. This is like a fundamental issue. Even his satellites in space have chipz that make heat, so at some point whether or not they have fanz would have come up.This means, likely, that nothing he makes actually goes into space fully. Wow. That's really bad. This is a fundamental lack of basic understanding. I work for a company that sells satellite components among other semiconductor products.
>>545936810academics don't create anything either, just endless circle jerk peer reviewed papers
>>545936203I thought this too, but it turns out you actually don't need that much surface area to radiate out heat in space as infrared radiation. The ISS does this. And it's not even like you're building extra arms to hold the radiators, because you're already building them to hold the solar panels.
>>545944999Maybe you get news articles i don't, but im not aware of any planned private-sector space stations, let alone any planning to manufacturing, let alone at anything approaching industrial scale.I find you claim that the ISS does anything resembling fabrication beyond the experimental scale to be suspicious.
>>545936203This has changed me, now i love this insufferable boomer unilaterally representing academia. I might suck Degrasse Tyson’s dick next if he promises not to talk.
>>545945106Fucking academia dude.I did my time and got the fuck out.I swear to god every professor's emotional maturity peaked in high school
>>545945009Thank you chatgpt
>>545945186They just needa figure out how to make the space stations fart in space
>>545936203did musk ever hear of thermos?
>>545944996>>545945258If I explained an internal combustion engine to you, but did not know they get hot, would you still my company manufactured them? You realize components such as the radiator and fan, and even the cylinders themselves are all designed around heat and the changes in tolerance.A small chip in space has to dissipate heat. Like if I go into a junior high school girls locker room, I am so heated up I have to dissipate myself using ejac until I have cooled down fully.The same way if he puts any CPU in space the same issue would occur. Satellites have CPU, rockets have cpus. And if they didn't, they intentionally designed AROUND that fact, because lack of airflow for cooling is a huge issue.Anyway it just means nothing he makes goes into space, which means there is a reason. Could be firmament, could be a grift, could be he is just a shell company for the defense industry. Whatever it is,.it's a big mistake. It is impossibly difficult to cool things in space. I was reading a paper about quantum computing and they made the same mistakes, talking about cooling superconductor in space. It happens but they were speculating on how to do it, rather than owning a company that purports to go into space.
>>545945334Voyager is working on Starlab where companies can buy research and manufacturing space for advanced biotech and materials related projects.
>>545944793Waste heat is high entropy. Optical-range photons are low entropy. That's why it's easy to get electrical power from optical photons but not infrared photons. You can get energy from them, but because of thermodynamics, it's less efficient due to the lower thermal gradient available, meaning more size/mass, which is not good for satellites.>>545944891>Yes, but you need an industry in space first that you would need to support with space-based manufacturing facilities.That's the whole idea, yes.>Right now there isnt enough demand in space to justify the upfront cost of building a factory in space to make stuff for use in space.If Terafab spools up to a terawatt of chips per year, and there's a market for them, a mass driver on the moon may be economically viable for building data sats.>>545945186>so at some point whether or not they have fanz would have come up.Liquid-cooled chips that dump heat into radiators. No fans needed. Just pumps.>>545945334>im not aware of any planned private-sector space stationshttps://isdc.nss.org/latest-news/private-space-stations-and-the-future-of-low-earth-orbit/Starlab, for one, is a single-launch space station with research space equivalent to the entire ISS, planned to go up on a non-pez cargo Starship.>fabrication beyond the experimental scaleI said explicitly that it's research. They build things in space to see how microgravity affects it. This affects all sorts of biochemical and materials science stuff that a lot of companies are interested in, and they want it enough to pay for people to do experiments in space. The expected economics of Starship spooling up mean that actual production of high-value things (e.g. custom replacement organs) can be economically viable.
>>545945502You just gotta be extra retarded to succeed. And lie a lot. I am learning to lie now too, I use chatgpt to like lie a lot ony resume and stuff, but let's see if it works. I want to be CTO really quick. I bet if you explained it, that you needed to help satellites fart away heat in space, you would get funded.
>>545945633>Anyway it just means nothing he makes goes into space,SpaceX has put the majority of satellites currently in space, in space.>It is impossibly difficult to cool things in space.The math checks out for the specs here >>545943536. That much radiator really does provide that much cooling in space.
>>545936203Elon is right.
>>545936203Meanwhile as I write this, SpaceX rolls Booster 22 for launch. And the professor is scratching his ass.
>>545945961Even our Gov hete in Canada tried the anti Elon thing while secretly funding 10's of billions our tax money to telsat, who then has to pay Elon to launch their scrappy satellites.
>>545945808Yeah I am sure the liquid has to be cooled. I'ma radiator or something I don't know. I am more ai software for edge and npu devices so I don't really do anything for the board except try to use components and what I make is for humanoid robots and cars, which have fans. But my company makes satellite and stuff , and I also had to do a few PowerPoints about defense sales and sanctions. But duly noted that sounds right. For someone like me, I should probably have 2 or 3 junior high japanese girls spit on me, tease me and just basically humiliate me as punishment. Who knows maybe if I couldn't take it anymore, I might snap and do something I would not ordinarily do. If they pushed me so far, not sure what the outcome could be especially if we were alone somewhere. Good point
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>>545945921>satellites fart away heat in spaceEvaporative cooling has been a thing for more than a century and a half. Modern spacecraft with cryogenic fuels do it all the time. It's not viable as a long-term cooling strategy because it consumes liquid and vents it to space.
Look how big the radiators need to be to keep the 4 people on the ISS from boiling. Then you will realize a data center in orbit isn't going to happen.
>>545936203Professors are like a step above prostitutes in terms of respectability.
>>545946245It happened a month ago.https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/24/technology/google-suncatcher-ai-data-center-space.html
>>545937000>Musk deserves it herechecked and correct
>>545945961I mean, I thought that too, but this nigga thinks Icarus wings are gonna melt off the closer they fly to the sun. Not sure anymore that's all. I wouldn't mind collecting 20 million to launch a V2 into the stratosphere and then funnel 19.5M back to another government agency while grifting the public that we are going to space. There was this company LUNR that faked a space mission to the moon a couple years ago. It was literally just telemetry screens and monitors setup to look like mission control in a B movie. The grift is real and continues. I really thought they were going to space until.that statement.
>>545936810Is the "leader of thing doesn't do thing" really valid criticism no matter who it's levied at, anyway? The general doesn't storm the beaches, the foreman doesn't swing the hammer, the ship captain doesn't swab the decks, etc. Of course someone in charge doesn't do the grunt work...then they'd be a grunt. Their job is organization and direction. He doesn't have to be a hands on engineer, he has to know how to coordinate various engineers towards coherent, successful projects. If nothing he's done at SpaceX was relevant or important, why didn't NASA or a private company do any of what he did?
>>545945782Neat, I hope its successful.
>>545946392That professor must not read the news. College midwits confirmed
>>545936203Space isn't space it's just water.
>>545946604https://youtu.be/FQpSAWGgL7k
>>545937162The scale of the build put would take roughly 18,000 years of continuous launches at space x’s max capacity. It is impossible. Or are you one of those idiots who thinks we can make a dyson sphere? (sure it will take 10^30 years, but so what, it can be done goy!!!)
>>545936810Ok Musk doesn't create any of his own shit lmao. He just did financial jewtricks and then paid other more qualified people to make things. Not that there's anything wrong with this, organizing labour is a skill in itself but trying to pretend he's some sort of Tony Stark is gay as fuck
>>545938531All of which ignores the simpler question - WHY? Why build a data center in space when you can do basically anything you could do with a data center in space on the ground for a fraction of the price and with simpler engineering?
>>545941365There's nothing in a vacuum to actually dissipate heat to - the professor is completely correct. And direct sunlight is also a major problem since there's no atmosphere to shield the space module from radiation. A data center in space is a complete nonsense idea, it would make more sense to build one in either the arctic or antarctic regions on Earth if one were to want passive cooling.
>>545936203LOL RETARD THINKS YOU CAN COOL DOWN THINGS EASIER IN SPACE BC IT'S COLD LOLLOLOLOLOLOL
>>545946922Got any math to back those statements?
>>545945808Thanks for the link.I'll be very curious to see where all of that goes.My original point was about the feasibility of space mining, and I stick to my assertion that there is no material in space currently worth the cost to go find and bring back to earth to process.You are talking about orbital commercial fabrication that is still in the investment phase and hasn't had a successful pilot facility yet.Im not saying we wont get there, im saying it will take a long time.Maybe a century is too pessimistic, maybe within 50 years the space manufacturing industry will have grown to the point that harvesting nearby asteroids becomes more efficient than launching terrestrial materials into orbit.Either way, it is still a very long way off and a lot of things need to happen first.I actually think a space elevator is more realistic before space mining becomes a thing.
>>545936203>some fucking NERD talks some stupid shit no one cares about.>Musk: "you're fully retarded"Absolute based chad kek
This is not and will never EVER be the primary problem with doing data centers in space, the problem will always be transmission back to earth and the massive amount of mass you'd need to ship into space to work with in the first place.Compared to the ISS a data center doesn't need the ISS's system of fluid pumping and heat distributing radiators, it literally takes foil, some wires, and a wide spread-out network.I know that onions redditors get mad at this but it takes foil the size of a sheet of paper to radiate the heat from a low-power laptop, so it's actually NOT hard at all to radiate heat in space if you build a dispersed network in the first place to account for this - the ISS requires more complex radiators because they're dumping a lot of heat and they need to control the temperatures for human inhabitants.
>>545947046Elon is just grifting. He knows space is fake. Earth is flat and stationary and there's a glass dome around us that cannot be broken.
>>545946989Radiation exists my dude, please keep up with the thread.
>>545947137Retard
>>545938657>Being more efficient than NASA or NATO is not a flex.yes it is you fucking fuck. they are the measuring stick even though they suck ass HAHAHAHA.
>>545946989The radiators will emit infrared photons I'm still skeptical but it's not impossible I still vote to make a massive heatsink with all the worlds datacenters and melt Greenland on purpose. Coasties can get fucked I want to see what ancient things are under the ice.
>>545947046basically yeahTARDLON MUSK SAW AN EPISODE OF MAGIC SCHOOL BUS AS A KID AND THINKS EVERYTHING GETS COOLED IN SPACE
>>545946989>There's nothing in a vacuum to actually dissipate heat toThe heat radiates... into space. Do you know what radiation is?>the professor is completely correct.The math for the specs here >>545943536 checks out. He's simply wrong. The economics remain to be seen, but the technical aspects work just fine.>>545947046Yes, actually. Data centers on Earth are running into all sorts of problems getting the water for cooling. NIMBY doesn't come into play in space.
>>545947248It's all fake. NASA and SpaceX, neither have ever been to space. All they do is fire rockets into the Bermuda triangle.
>>545947340Your intelligence is fake, too
>>545939558That's because they don't know shit about the topic. You couldn't put a mile of tin foil over the ground on earth to radiate heat but we have literally infinite space in space, so you could make the most space-inefficient systems imaginable. It unlocks a lot of possibilities when real estate is no longer in the equation.Granted there are 100 other problems with this, mostly economic, so it wouldn't work anyway, but fake-intelligent people like to hyper-focus on minor things that wouldn't be a problem in the first place.>>545947212>To dump all the waste heat from a typical 50-watt laptop in deep space, your radiator will need to be about 0.05 square meters (roughly 7.8 in × 10 in), which is slightly smaller than a standard sheet of Letter or A4 paperAnd no argument was made. A radiator the size of a sheet of paper, said radiator is just a piece of metal and some thermal paste. I'm waiting for any kind of argument here from the I HECKIN LOVE SCIENCE crowd, because it isn't sciencing right now and it seems like radiating that heat is extremely easy.
>>545947185>>545947276Oh yeah let's just launch giant heatsinks and radiators into space, surely that won't cost nothing at all. Elon will probably figure it out.
>>545946989But wait, is Musk talking about building data centers in literal vacuum floating in space ? Or by space he means outer space, on an object but not on earth ? Yeah, in vacuum you don't have conduction/convection but shit still gets cold through radiation, no ?
>>545947398>seems like radiating that heat is extremely easy.you are aware factories just dump their heat into rivers lakes and oceans without the need for any tech invented after year 1900?the last data center i worked in we ... sold our heat ... but such a concept might be too extreme to understand
>>545946989>Muh passive coolingThe advantages of a data center in space are>Infinite area to build in>No regulations>Can generate enormous power from solar energy, which isn't weakened from the atmosphere and will be available 24/7VS the drawbacks>Costs way too much to move that much mass into space>Transmitting back to earth problemsBasically you need to have some kind of argument here, because that's not even the reason you'd put something in space but it isn't a problem either. You put it in space for the practically free energy and real estate, it's just a minor bonus that you can essentially make a big piece of tin foil radiate all the heat instead of draining a river.
>>545947340https://youtu.be/q_ADBlrIRsM
Why's it so hard to accept that the retard doesn't really understand the physics involved? Data centers in space? That's one of the stupidest ideas he's had.
>>545947532This has no relation to what I'm talking about at all, getting rid of heat in space isn't difficult.A little piece of foil is not new technology.
>>545947537>real estate2/3rds of the world is ocean and another third of the landmass is useless, see sahara and stuffspace is useless
>>545947527>But wait, is Musk talking about building data centers in literal vacuum floating in space ?Yes.
>>545947628No argument once again.
>>545947537>>Costs way too much to move that much mass into spaceStarship.>>Transmitting back to earth problemsStarlink.There are reasons SpaceX is pushing for it now.
>>545947601Its simple, but simple is not always easy.Like everything else to do with data centers the problem is not the technology, the problem is the scale.1 GW of compute needs 5 square kilometers of radiators.Thats just a lot of shit to put into space.
Everyone is talking about how hard it would be to cool a data center in space.Why do you need to keep a data center cold if its in space? Are you afraid that the heated parts are going to react with the no free oxygen in the not air?
>>545947598to be fair the ISS operate in "space" legally but in reallity it's in LEO environment still at 400km not even high earth orbit and it's not really "space" like the "deep space" (real space)
>>545947681life sucks when your learning disabled
>>545947527>but shit still gets cold through radiation, no ?A piece of foil that's the size of a sheet of paper will radiate 50 watts of energy. Yes, shit gets very cold very fast and dumping heat in space isn't even a challenge if you're not trying to keep some human habitat alive. The big satellites have more advanced heat radiation systems because they transmit a lot of power through a very small area, smaller satellites are entirely passively cooled.>>545947763None of that is economically viable. Data centers weigh a lot.>>545947821But the radiators are significantly lighter than the actual computers and power generation and all the other shit you have to send up there. It's a minor problem being played as some impossible riddle that we can't figure out.>>545947867Nobody else in the thread but you seems to have a problem making arguments, it's just you.
>>545947827Chips cook themselves to death if they get too hot. Per unit area, they're more powerful heating elements than the heating coils in ovens. So actually running chips reuires continuously removing heat from them and dumping it somewhere.>>545947905>None of that is economically viable.SpaceX just got 85 billion dollars because investors think otherwise.>Data centers weigh a lot.A few tons for Starmind v1.
>>545947905youre actually one of the worst faggots i have ever seen. you cant just say "no argument" because what i said raped your anus to smithereensi suggest therapy because youre obviously learning disabled1. we have endless space down on earth2. cooling is much easier down here on earth3. lag is much less down on earth4. we have endless energy down here on earth5. everything about this costs much less here on earthi already said this, now i said it all twice because youre fucking low iq
It costs several 1000s of times more to put anything in orbit as opposed to just having it on Earth.
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>>545947598Pictures of circles in the sky, what does it prove?
>>545948111>Chips cook themselves to death if they get too hot.See heres the thing, 'heat' isnt the thing that kills them. Its the chemical interactions between the metal and various airborne gasses that occur at high temperatures. And as far as electrical arcs, these can only occur in a vacuum when operating at temperatures high enough to *vaporize the metal*. In purely technical terms you can theoretically create a chip designed to run exclusively in space at a few thousand degrees, running entirely on liquid metal
>>545947829Also the satellites are just balloons in the sky. They're not even high up. Sometimes they crash down in people's back yards.
>>545948131>1. we have endless space down on earthBoth finite and regulated. Suitable land which is available for data centers is not trivial to come by.>2. cooling is much easier down here on earthIf there is cheap and plentiful fresh water available locally. That's not the case in most places on Earth.>3. lag is much less down on earthLag is less for a satellite 300 miles up than for a data center 1000 miles away on land.>4. we have endless energy down here on earthThe power grid does not exist to run the data center projects already under construction, and turbine blades for on-site power generation are back-ordered a year and a half. Construction on Earth is about maxed out already, so if you want something done faster, you need to make use of unconstrained resources.>5. everything about this costs much less here on earthTime, even ignoring anticipated Statship lift costs.>>545948406https://youtu.be/q_ADBlrIRsM?t=445>>545948490The actual physical chips built from atomic-scale structures are indeed vulnerable to excessive heat itself. Potting a chip in epoxy doesn't let you run it at the temperature that the epoxy can withstand. The chip physically breaks down if it gets too hot. Are you at all familiar with overclocking and the technical concerns involved?
This is why radiators were invented.
>>545948717>Both finite and regulated. Suitable land which is available for data centers is not trivial to come by.There's unlimited space in Canada, Greenland, Russia and Antarctica
>>545948111It's not economically viable though and investor money doesn't change this.Granted, it's a good front for other space projects since you're basically putting power generation in space and radiators and compute power, so it can be used for a number of space projects once it's still not viable anymore. Power and compute will always be worth something up there even if it's worth nothing down here, so it's not like it's an outright waste of money.>>545948131See this is the thing where there's no argument and you're a reddit pseud, this is the thing where zero argument is made but you think you're smart and get mad at being called out for it.
>>545948513I remember the Chair Force was pushing the idea that we don't need a space force because pic related for awhile there.>inb4 it's super thin etcIt wasn't my retarded argument fuck the air force.
>>545949110>unlimitedWhat do you think this word means?>Canada, Greenland, Russia and AntarcticaThat is, in remote places without local infrastructure and a long ways from data customers (high latency).>>545949117>It's not economically viable though and investor money doesn't change this.The investors are betting that it is, and they're willing to put that much money on it. Betting markets are about the best predictors available because being right directly pays the people making the predictions.
>>545937497The engineering professors are usually pretty smart. Especially when it comes to fundamental principles such as heat transfer in a vacuum. t have PhD in engineering
>>545938416The whole point is to use free unlimited solar power.
